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PSPS

(13,603 posts)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:12 PM Nov 2015

'Shootings' reported in central Paris

Source: BBC

An attack on a bar in the French capital, Paris, has caused several casualties, French media report.

A gunman using an automatic gun opened fire at the Cambodge restaurant in the capital's 11th district. BFMTV says at least seven people were injured.

Liberation newspaper says a number of people have been killed. There is no official confirmation.

Another attack - an explosion - is reported to have targeted a bar near Stade de France

France were hosting Germany in a friendly match.

(No more at link.)

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34814203?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

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'Shootings' reported in central Paris (Original Post) PSPS Nov 2015 OP
I was just there yesterday DFW Nov 2015 #1
11th Arondissement is Bastille/New Opera. Divernan Nov 2015 #2
Multiple attacks in Paris, at least 18 dead, police say MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #3
7 dead and 7 injured darkangel218 Nov 2015 #4
French Police Report Shootout and Explosion in Paris bemildred Nov 2015 #5
Watching live on France 24 Go Vols Nov 2015 #6
Omg thats awful :( darkangel218 Nov 2015 #15
Oh, for fuck's sake... Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #7
I have a friend who lives in that district! emsimon33 Nov 2015 #8
I hope your friend is well! suffragette Nov 2015 #24
Thank you. I sent him a message but it is late evening in Paris. emsimon33 Nov 2015 #31
Good thoughts to you and him suffragette Nov 2015 #51
Thank you. He is safe and outside the restaurant. emsimon33 Nov 2015 #63
Phew, glad to hear that! RKP5637 Nov 2015 #87
Thank you. emsimon33 Nov 2015 #100
Glad to hear he is ok suffragette Nov 2015 #123
ABC just interrupted Jeopardy! with a special report on this. City Lights Nov 2015 #9
Hostages taken at Paris Bataclan concert hall, police say MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #10
oh my God. sufrommich Nov 2015 #12
France 24 reporting Stade de France cordoned off Ex Lurker Nov 2015 #11
And with good reason. christx30 Nov 2015 #115
I said from day one - what an easy way for terrorist types to get through. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #158
I agree. I was careful about my christx30 Nov 2015 #162
Live coverage: Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #13
Sky News: 11 fatalities. 4:52PM EDT Renew Deal Nov 2015 #23
Now it's 26+ Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #30
great link--thank you. n/t orleans Nov 2015 #98
Blue Tires, thanks for posting it. I'll be listening to for a long time tonight. Lot of information. freshwest Nov 2015 #178
This is a Mumbai style attack on Paris MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #14
Breaking news all over the place BumRushDaShow Nov 2015 #16
FYI - Stade de France (north of Paris) is the main Soccer stadium built for the 1998 World Cup brooklynite Nov 2015 #17
Four separate attacks, and one hostage situation going on still_one Nov 2015 #18
Le Figaro reporting three separate shootings... brooklynite Nov 2015 #19
CNN reporting 18 killed brooklynite Nov 2015 #20
RIP. Absolutely sickening. Europe is in trouble LittleBlue Nov 2015 #21
Has any group claimed responsibility for this yet? smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #58
Isis just sent a celebratory message in Arabic on Twitter LittleBlue Nov 2015 #64
Motherf***ers! smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #65
Agree!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2015 #112
Only way to do that lancer78 Nov 2015 #181
K&R mog75 Nov 2015 #186
Well, then I think they are in trouble. smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #121
They are the toadstools. Igel Nov 2015 #176
I'm sure the victim's families are with you, primarily concerned about the political effects of this MadDAsHell Nov 2015 #177
At least 18 people killed/French president moved to safety. Divernan Nov 2015 #22
Multiple attacks KeepItReal Nov 2015 #25
15 killed in attacks at Paris concert hall, three near Stade de France: police MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #26
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #27
piss off MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #28
I would highly doubt that this tragedy is a false flag darkangel218 Nov 2015 #32
Why would you make such an assumption when all the details haven't been obtained. One thing is still_one Nov 2015 #33
JFC! romanic Nov 2015 #29
France 24 just updated to at least 26 dead suffragette Nov 2015 #34
60 hostages held at Bataclan Concert Hall in Paris Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #35
BBC News StrayKat Nov 2015 #36
American metal band concert and a McDonalds attacked upaloopa Nov 2015 #39
I haven't heard that yet. StrayKat Nov 2015 #50
I am watching MSNBC upaloopa Nov 2015 #54
Ok, thanks for keeping us up-to-date. StrayKat Nov 2015 #56
MSNBC no reporting attacks did not happen at McDonald's. n/t StrayKat Nov 2015 #127
yes, American establishment attacks, but also European. There is a shootout going on with six to 8 still_one Nov 2015 #52
If this is Islamic terrorism, Rand Paul's campaign is dead... brooklynite Nov 2015 #37
Rand is out, really. Trump is talking about this already to boost his stance. freshwest Nov 2015 #179
Death toll is supposedly up to 30 Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #38
less than an hour later, 60 killed n/t orleans Nov 2015 #103
Retaliation for US killing Jihadi John? Divernan Nov 2015 #40
In Paris? brooklynite Nov 2015 #43
Agreed: too soon to have planned a coordinated operation like this. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #84
Thought that too Blue_Adept Nov 2015 #44
I doubt it. Planning for this probably took weeks if not months. totodeinhere Nov 2015 #47
I don't know... This will have taken a lot of planning and coordination... Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #48
These things are planned well in advance Renew Deal Nov 2015 #55
I doubt it. This garbage was planned, they didn't know the asshole Jihadi John was killed. I hope still_one Nov 2015 #57
I didn't think about that, but highly likely. smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #59
U.S. ally; target of opportunity. Divernan Nov 2015 #72
IS is hardly a watchword for reasoned and evenhanded planning MisterP Nov 2015 #75
Not reasoned and evenhanded perhaps, GliderGuider Nov 2015 #77
"cells" are generally on a long leash and left to fend for themselves (hence heroin involvement) MisterP Nov 2015 #81
This seemed to be planned. romanic Nov 2015 #61
Attendees at the Stade de France following the bomb attack brooklynite Nov 2015 #41
French media now reporting 40 dead; 100 hostages brooklynite Nov 2015 #42
Death toll is now 40 Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #45
40? Holy shite! The number just keeps going up! smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #62
Just hear the president was evacuated from the stadium. romanic Nov 2015 #46
He waas taken to the 11eme arrondissement KamaAina Nov 2015 #155
100 hostages taken at #Paris theater. 30-40 suggested have been killed thus far Blue_Adept Nov 2015 #49
Video of Stade de France at time of explosion brooklynite Nov 2015 #53
Horrible. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #60
this won't increase willingness to take in immigrants from the middle east, geek tragedy Nov 2015 #66
This is horrible for the refugees. This was very delicate in jwirr Nov 2015 #133
Yes, it really is going to be. :( nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #135
American band playing at the theater is the "Eagles of Death Metal" Renew Deal Nov 2015 #67
This is awful. zappaman Nov 2015 #142
Never seen them, but they are a good band. Renew Deal Nov 2015 #145
BFM News through CNN: 60 dead 5:34PM Renew Deal Nov 2015 #68
CNN is reporting that witnesses heard the shooters saying "Allah Akbar" during their attack. still_one Nov 2015 #69
60 reported dead now on CNN edbermac Nov 2015 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author brooklynite Nov 2015 #88
There's reports of hostages being beheaded and executed in the theater puzzledeagle Nov 2015 #71
OMG Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #73
I hope that is not true. sufrommich Nov 2015 #74
Dear god ......... polly7 Nov 2015 #79
Where are these reports? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2015 #85
I've been listening to several sources, have heard nothing like this. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2015 #109
I keep looking but can't find anything of the sort. There is a post below about Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2015 #118
i found something on the telegraph orleans Nov 2015 #116
Thx. Nothing per the BBC yet. One can hope it's false. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2015 #119
i absolutely hope it IS false n/t orleans Nov 2015 #130
Oh god, I am sick to my stomach. smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #128
Saw it in the live news stream from Sky News UK puzzledeagle Nov 2015 #152
Nooooo! For god's sake. No! smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #126
K&R mog75 Nov 2015 #187
numbers are all over the place right now IcyPeas Nov 2015 #76
BBC is closer, CNN says at least 60 from BFMTV. This is frickn' ISIL in my opinion still_one Nov 2015 #83
Fog of war .... Trajan Nov 2015 #89
Another shooting reported in Paris, at Les Halles shopping mall MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #78
UK Guardian: Obama to speak within next few minutes. Divernan Nov 2015 #80
I hope the French know that people worldwide are feeling this PatrickforO Nov 2015 #82
Obama speaking now nitpicker Nov 2015 #86
obama from cnn orleans Nov 2015 #120
NBC reports live statement by President Hollande expected shortly (6 PM Eastern) brooklynite Nov 2015 #90
Speaking now. State of emergency, travel and other restrictions will be taking place, including still_one Nov 2015 #92
Paris city authorities call on residents to stay home after deadly attacks MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #91
France closes borders and nation declares state of emergency bettyellen Nov 2015 #93
Apparently passengers landing at CDG Airport being held on planes... brooklynite Nov 2015 #160
Hollande just closed France's borders LittleBlue Nov 2015 #94
It obviously is very much out of control which is why this is being done still_one Nov 2015 #96
oh mon dieu retrowire Nov 2015 #95
It doesn't feel normal here. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #101
dont worry. retrowire Nov 2015 #105
updated link title Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan azurnoir Nov 2015 #97
They are also reporting that some hostages are communicating with cell phones that they want the still_one Nov 2015 #99
Our local news xloadiex Nov 2015 #102
Europe is toast Hugabear Nov 2015 #104
How about fuck ISIS still_one Nov 2015 #107
and thats exactly what isis wants... retrowire Nov 2015 #108
they send them to their martyrdom, they deserve nothing less, and I hope they suffer immense pain still_one Nov 2015 #114
K&R mog75 Nov 2015 #188
You know what? If the far right gets rid of this scum, I support them. smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #136
I hope you are speaking from a temporary state of mind. bigmonkey Nov 2015 #165
I don't know, maybe I am. I am just so angry right now. smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #167
How is a fringe lancer78 Nov 2015 #182
A far right takeover is a bigger threat to freedom Hugabear Nov 2015 #184
Cnn reporting 60 Dead. my gawd!! riversedge Nov 2015 #106
Reddit live thread has most up to date news Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #110
Quick! Ask Ben Carson who's to blame! randome Nov 2015 #111
This is awful and sad TeddyR Nov 2015 #113
this has a bad feeling to it... restorefreedom Nov 2015 #117
ya think? still_one Nov 2015 #125
i meant it feels like 911. nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #139
I understand still_one Nov 2015 #141
sigh. nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #146
One of explosions near Paris stadium was suicide attack: several sources MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #122
Someone who escaped from the Bataclan concert venue hostage situation says Syria was mentioned muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #124
For God's sake - cilla4progress Nov 2015 #129
Not as easy to utilize as sci-fi portrays it, I would assume. randome Nov 2015 #131
They tried that in Moscow when Chechen terrorists took over a theater, and it was utter chaos still_one Nov 2015 #137
Such chemical agents exist... Chan790 Nov 2015 #138
Our tax money at work... cilla4progress Nov 2015 #175
That didn't work so well in Moscow. nt Codeine Nov 2015 #148
CNN showing video of initial gunfight at the concert venue now n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2015 #132
Gunfight? Was there armed security? Renew Deal Nov 2015 #140
Middle of Paris, so I suspect police response was extremely rapid. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #143
I don't know. Chan790 Nov 2015 #144
When the police showed up ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2015 #149
Parisians use #portouverte to help people find shelter suffragette Nov 2015 #134
Reports TeddyR Nov 2015 #147
So TeddyR Nov 2015 #150
These terrorists are so stupid, they don't understand that this NEVER, EVER works! randome Nov 2015 #151
Police storm Paris concert hall where hostages held: security source MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #153
Here is hoping safety for the hostages, and sending the attackers straight to hell still_one Nov 2015 #154
Agence France-Press reporting SEVEN attack sites... brooklynite Nov 2015 #156
After Charlie Hebdo, I couldn’t fathom anything worse hitting Paris. Now exactly that is going on le riversedge Nov 2015 #159
cnn now saying 43 dead and police are storming Paris Concert Hall riversedge Nov 2015 #157
interview w/survivors of theatre attack -- shooting from balcony (no beheadings) magical thyme Nov 2015 #161
This is unacceptable TeddyR Nov 2015 #163
It is, and it will be. GliderGuider Nov 2015 #168
The situation at the concert hall is over. randome Nov 2015 #164
body count of 43 and still climbing bettyellen Nov 2015 #166
Sky News says TeddyR Nov 2015 #169
100 dead at theater alone. Unfathomable. bettyellen Nov 2015 #170
BBC reporting 100 dead at Bataclan Concert Hall IcyPeas Nov 2015 #171
unconfirmed, as many as 100 per reuters/guardian magical thyme Nov 2015 #173
How the hell do multiple armed gunmen get into a concert hall?? Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #180
Distractions. Speed. Audacity of attack. christx30 Nov 2015 #183
~160 killed Duppers Nov 2015 #172
My sympathies and condolences to the French people, Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #185
Truly, Art. Duppers Nov 2015 #189
Now reporting death toll at 140 brooklynite Nov 2015 #174

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
2. 11th Arondissement is Bastille/New Opera.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:28 PM
Nov 2015

Place de la Bastille and the New Opera are found here. This is a primarily residential district popular among artists. It’s well known for its nightlife which is centered around the Rue de la Roquette and the Rue Oberkampf.

Latest from BBC:

At least one man opened fire with an automatic gun at the Cambodge restaurant in the 11th district.

Liberation newspaper says four people have been killed. It also reports shootings elsewhere. There is no official confirmation.

An explosion is also reported to have targeted a bar near Stade de France, where France were hosting Germany.

A BBC journalist at the scene says he can see 10 people on the road either dead or seriously injured.

He says police have now arrived.


The Stade de France (French pronunciation: ​[stad də fʁɑ̃s]) is the national stadium of France, situated just north of Paris in the commune of Saint-Denis. It has an all-seater capacity of 81,338 making it the fifth-largest stadium in Europe, and is used by both the France national football team and French rugby union team for international competition. The stadium was built for the 1998 FIFA World Cup, and the name of the stadium was recommended by Michel Platini, head of the organising committee.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
5. French Police Report Shootout and Explosion in Paris
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:37 PM
Nov 2015

Police officials in France say there has been a shootout in a Paris restaurant and an explosion in a bar near a Paris stadium.

BFM television says there were several dead in the restaurant shooting in the 10th arrondissement of the capital. Two police officials confirmed the shooting but had no information about casualties.

Also late Friday, two explosions were heard outside the Stade de France stadium north of Paris during a France-Germany friendly football match. It was unclear if the events were linked.

A police official confirmed one explosion in a bar near the stadium. It is unclear whether there are casualties.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-police-report-shootout-explosion-paris-35186168

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
6. Watching live on France 24
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:38 PM
Nov 2015

seems no ones sure of anything,they are saying at least 18 dead,7 wounded.

Edit: now they are saying hostages may be taken.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
31. Thank you. I sent him a message but it is late evening in Paris.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:00 PM
Nov 2015

I hope he is asleep. He is a journalist, though, so he may be out covering the horror.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
63. Thank you. He is safe and outside the restaurant.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:25 PM
Nov 2015

He said it was "carnage." As I said he is a French journalist, the one captured by the Iraqi rebels in 2004 and held hostage, so, as I guessed, he was sent to the scene to report.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
123. Glad to hear he is ok
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:14 PM
Nov 2015

Wow, he already been through so much!

Safe thoughts to the people in Paris tonight.

Ex Lurker

(3,814 posts)
11. France 24 reporting Stade de France cordoned off
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:42 PM
Nov 2015

80k people at the soccer match there. Also reports of drive by shootings, and hostages at a concert hall.

This is going to make Europeans very edgy about the immigrant wave.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
115. And with good reason.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:11 PM
Nov 2015

Something like this obviously took a LOT of manpower to pull off. What more perfect camouflage for entry than a huge wave of humanity?
And other countries in Europe are probably going to see things that way. UKIP is going to get a lot of traction out of this.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
162. I agree. I was careful about my
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:51 PM
Nov 2015

comments here on DU. There were (and are) a lot of people on DU that were angry with some countries for trying to slow or block the northern flow of refugees into Europe.
There are still a lot of refugees in Calais trying to get smuggled through the Chunnel into Great Britian. GB is going to give them a great big "I don't fucking think so" now.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
178. Blue Tires, thanks for posting it. I'll be listening to for a long time tonight. Lot of information.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:03 PM
Nov 2015

It just said 118 are dead right now along with the 2 gunmen in the theatre.

Also they just said 158 are dead in 6 locations. Not sure if the 118 are in that number. It was coordinated and an act of terror in the most classical sense.

They played the sound of a huge explosion in the stadium. There were more than those 2 gunmen, of course. They're talking about a restaurant and the borders are closed. Obama has also made a statement.

This reminds me of the Beslan school seige. It was a declaration of war. Just because wars aren't fought with uniformed soldiers, flags, tanks, nukes or planes, they are still wars.

Okay, they are saying 158 dead and over a hundred injured. I can't imagine what the French will be able to do them. I guess you are seeing and hearing it yourself, I'm posting for others here.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
21. RIP. Absolutely sickening. Europe is in trouble
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:50 PM
Nov 2015

Europe has lost its self-preservation instinct. If this was Islamists, the right will flourish.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
64. Isis just sent a celebratory message in Arabic on Twitter
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:26 PM
Nov 2015

Not sure if they're responsible, but it definitely appears to be Islamists.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
65. Motherf***ers!
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:29 PM
Nov 2015

They need to be taken out now. All of the Western world needs to unite to wipe them off the face of the earth.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
121. Well, then I think they are in trouble.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:13 PM
Nov 2015

This is the last straw. Europe and the West needs to unite against them.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
176. They are the toadstools.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:58 PM
Nov 2015

Some we can name. Some we cannot.

But nobody dares discuss the mycelium. Just the toadstools. And just those that are the most poisonous, at that.

I rather liked the article on the Dunning-Kroger effect that (it's claimed) applies to groups. We do the same not just with expertise but with many other kinds of qualities.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
177. I'm sure the victim's families are with you, primarily concerned about the political effects of this
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:00 PM
Nov 2015

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
22. At least 18 people killed/French president moved to safety.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:50 PM
Nov 2015

At least 18 people have been killed in several shootings in the French capital, Paris, as well as explosions at the Stade de France.

At least one man opened fire with an automatic gun at the Petit Cambodge restaurant in the 11th district.

Liberation newspaper reports four deaths. It also reports shootings near the Bataclan arts centre.

Three explosions are also reported outside a bar near the Stade de France, where France were hosting Germany.

Reports say French President Francois Hollande was watching the match and has been moved to safety.

A BBC journalist at the Petit Cambodge restaurant says he can see 10 people on the road either dead or seriously injured. He says police have now arrived and sealed off the area.

An eyewitness told Liberation he had heard more than 100 rounds being fired. It says the gunman has fled the scene.

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
26. 15 killed in attacks at Paris concert hall, three near Stade de France: police
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:57 PM
Nov 2015
#BREAKING 15 killed in attacks at Paris concert hall, three near Stade de France: police

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/665286956570583040

Response to PSPS (Original post)

still_one

(92,219 posts)
33. Why would you make such an assumption when all the details haven't been obtained. One thing is
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:02 PM
Nov 2015

known, there were 4 attacks that appear to have been coordinated, and a hostage situation is occurring right now

There is no doubt this is a terrorist attack. The death toll has been increased to 26.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
52. yes, American establishment attacks, but also European. There is a shootout going on with six to 8
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:16 PM
Nov 2015

attackers were the hostages are being held

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
37. If this is Islamic terrorism, Rand Paul's campaign is dead...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:08 PM
Nov 2015

...there won't be any appetite in the Republican Primary field for restrained military spending.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
179. Rand is out, really. Trump is talking about this already to boost his stance.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:08 PM
Nov 2015

He's sworn before to wipe out the Daesh completely.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
40. Retaliation for US killing Jihadi John?
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:13 PM
Nov 2015

MI5 and police monitor Isil fanatics for Jihadi John revenge attacks - latest news

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
84. Agreed: too soon to have planned a coordinated operation like this.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:48 PM
Nov 2015

However, if this turns out to be jihadists (as I suspect will be the case), I wouldn't be surprised if the perpetrators throw that in in their eventual statement.

Not that I expect GIGN and/or RAID to leave many alive...

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
47. I doubt it. Planning for this probably took weeks if not months.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:15 PM
Nov 2015

This was probably in the works long before Jihadi John got it.

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
55. These things are planned well in advance
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:19 PM
Nov 2015

It would have happened eventually if they weren't caught. News also reporting that security was recently stepped up.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
57. I doubt it. This garbage was planned, they didn't know the asshole Jihadi John was killed. I hope
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:20 PM
Nov 2015

these animals, whoever they are, suffer immense pain when they are finally brought down.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
59. I didn't think about that, but highly likely.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:23 PM
Nov 2015

However, France didn't kill him, so why take it out on them?

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
72. U.S. ally; target of opportunity.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:36 PM
Nov 2015

As far as timing, plans could have been moved up; attacks could have been expanded; series of attacks could have been grouped together instead of strung out.

Certainly UK's MI5 immediately went into surveillance mode for revenge attacks.

One expects credit will soon be taken and we may or may not find out what impact, if any, JJ's death had on this day's actions in Paris.

On edit: American band playing at the theater is the "Eagles of Death Metal" as per post 67 below.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
75. IS is hardly a watchword for reasoned and evenhanded planning
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:39 PM
Nov 2015

but realistically it'd do more with the underworld they operate in--even mob connections and old links with the 90s' Algerian Civil War could be at play here

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
77. Not reasoned and evenhanded perhaps,
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:41 PM
Nov 2015

But extraordinarily effective, certainly at a tactical level. These attacks look like a very big deal.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
61. This seemed to be planned.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:25 PM
Nov 2015

The soccer match was between France and Germany, the latter of course bringing in refugees from Syria/Iraq. The terrorists are probably retaliating against those who fled their "Caliphate" blessed by their sky God.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
62. 40? Holy shite! The number just keeps going up!
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:25 PM
Nov 2015

This is just such a tragedy! Why France? They did not kill Jihadi John?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
155. He waas taken to the 11eme arrondissement
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:43 PM
Nov 2015

where most of the horror is occurring.

As a matter of fact, they finished the match! France 2:0 Germany, full time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027340314#post77

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
66. this won't increase willingness to take in immigrants from the middle east,
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:30 PM
Nov 2015

what a nightmare.

Paris is getting hit with way too many of these

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
68. BFM News through CNN: 60 dead 5:34PM
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:32 PM
Nov 2015

AP through CNN: 35 Dead
CNN played audio of the explosion from the soccer game.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
69. CNN is reporting that witnesses heard the shooters saying "Allah Akbar" during their attack.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:34 PM
Nov 2015

There are Twits also claiming responsibility from ISIL.

CNN has reported at least 60 dead.



Response to edbermac (Reply #70)

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
118. I keep looking but can't find anything of the sort. There is a post below about
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:12 PM
Nov 2015

hostages being executed but I can't find confirmation anywhere.

orleans

(34,060 posts)
116. i found something on the telegraph
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:11 PM
Nov 2015

"22:56
People being 'slaughtered one by one' in Bataclan theatre
Unverified Facebook post that says. "There are still survivors inside the Bataclan. They're killing everyone one-by-one": Vivant. Juste des coupures... Un carnage... Des cadavres partout.
Alive. Just cuts... Carnage... Dead bodies everywhere."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11995227/Paris-shooting-Many-feared-dead-live.html

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
89. Fog of war ....
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:52 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:32 PM - Edit history (1)

Don't believe any numbers at this point ... Just know things are bad and could get worse ...

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
80. UK Guardian: Obama to speak within next few minutes.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:44 PM
Nov 2015

From UK Guardian:
My colleagues in America say that the US President Barack Obama is due to speak within the next few minutes.
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There are various reports of attacks at a fourth scene - at les Halles, in the centre of the city. These are unconfirmed and we are working to find out more details.

PatrickforO

(14,577 posts)
82. I hope the French know that people worldwide are feeling this
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:45 PM
Nov 2015

pain and horror right along with them.

orleans

(34,060 posts)
120. obama from cnn
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:13 PM
Nov 2015

• "This is an attack not just on Paris, not just on the people on France, but an attack on all humanity and the universal values we share," President Barack Obama said at the White House. He called the attacks an "outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians."

still_one

(92,219 posts)
92. Speaking now. State of emergency, travel and other restrictions will be taking place, including
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:55 PM
Nov 2015

closing of the borders.

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
91. Paris city authorities call on residents to stay home after deadly attacks
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:54 PM
Nov 2015
#BREAKING Paris city authorities call on residents to stay home after deadly attacks

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/665300883450662912

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
95. oh mon dieu
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:56 PM
Nov 2015

and I'm just sitting in a Target parking lot waiting for groceries while this happens on the other side of the world.

this is terrifyingly surreal.

it feels so normal around me here, but it is hell in France.

my thoughts and prayers are with them.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
105. dont worry.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:05 PM
Nov 2015

there is solidarity amongst us and our empathy encompasses the world together.

we still feel, we still love.

and we will not let these cowards destroy that bond that we will forever share with humanity.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
99. They are also reporting that some hostages are communicating with cell phones that they want the
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:02 PM
Nov 2015

police to raid the theater because the attackers are killing the hostages one by one

xloadiex

(628 posts)
102. Our local news
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:03 PM
Nov 2015

just reported that the French president has declared a state of emergency. So far there are 60 reported dead.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
104. Europe is toast
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:04 PM
Nov 2015

This is only going to give fuel to the extreme right-wing organizations and neo-Nazis.

Fuck all.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
114. they send them to their martyrdom, they deserve nothing less, and I hope they suffer immense pain
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:11 PM
Nov 2015

when they meet their end

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
136. You know what? If the far right gets rid of this scum, I support them.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:22 PM
Nov 2015

I am a progressive, liberal democrat. However I see no greater threat to our freedom than a regressive, theocratic, murderous fringe terrorist group. Whatever it takes to stamp them out, I support it.

bigmonkey

(1,798 posts)
165. I hope you are speaking from a temporary state of mind.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:04 PM
Nov 2015

As someone who experienced this kind of thing a few times, the binary "us vs. them" thinking that comes up at times like this never works out for anyone's good in the long run. Remember, creating blood enmity is the goal of acts like this. You can resist it.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
167. I don't know, maybe I am. I am just so angry right now.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:06 PM
Nov 2015

I want to lash out. I might not be thinking clearly. The animal part of my brain just wants revenge.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
182. How is a fringe
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:36 PM
Nov 2015

terrorist group that numbers 50K or so a threat to our freedom? The only threat to our freedom is when we elect right-wingers into power as a reaction.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
184. A far right takeover is a bigger threat to freedom
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:29 AM
Nov 2015

I can easily imagine the National Front of France getting a lot more support as a result of these attacks. A resurgence of fascism across Europe is not what we need now.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
110. Reddit live thread has most up to date news
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:08 PM
Nov 2015

Lots of locals giving updates. Here's one guy who made it out:

"Was at the Bataclan like an hour ago during the shooting. The guy entered through the front door, probably firing like 60 rounds by clips of 30 I would say. The crowd collapsed and we were all laying on the ground.
The guy just fucking spread on the pit, I just prayed not to get hit. People managed to get out by crawling on the stairs of the nearest exit. I just did the same, crawling over other people on the stairs like a fucking cockroach fighting for his life."

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
111. Quick! Ask Ben Carson who's to blame!
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:09 PM
Nov 2015

More cowardly monsters who go out of their way to kill innocent people.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
117. this has a bad feeling to it...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:12 PM
Nov 2015

not just the immediate atrocity which is obvious, but what will come.

gods help the world...




MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
122. One of explosions near Paris stadium was suicide attack: several sources
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:14 PM
Nov 2015
#BREAKING One of explosions near Paris stadium was suicide attack: several sources

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/665305750521167872

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
124. Someone who escaped from the Bataclan concert venue hostage situation says Syria was mentioned
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:15 PM
Nov 2015
French journalist Erwan Desplanques says a friend who was able to escape from the Bataclan concert venue has told him there were five or six gunmen there and they mentioned Syria during their attack. Bodies were seen lying on the ground.

Un des amis rescapé du Bataclan. 5 ou 6 tireurs, non masqués, plusieurs coups de feu (d'abord en l'air) pendant 5 minutes. Des corps au sol.
...
La Syrie a été mentionnée par les assaillants #bataclan La salle est toujours bouclée. Des amis encore à l'intérieur.

https://twitter.com/edesplanques


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-34815972

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
129. For God's sake -
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:19 PM
Nov 2015

Dear military-industrial complex, can you NOT invent a temporary stun gas of some sort that will allow you to paralyze the bad guys while you go in and save the victims? Seriously?!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
131. Not as easy to utilize as sci-fi portrays it, I would assume.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:21 PM
Nov 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
138. Such chemical agents exist...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:24 PM
Nov 2015

Russia used them about a decade ago in a school siege...it's a knockout gas...and killed a lot of people, mostly children. It's a fine dosing line between unconscious and dead (meaning you need to know the volume of the room and ventilation and if there are any open windows and about 100 other factors) which makes it impractical to use in most situations.

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
175. Our tax money at work...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:48 PM
Nov 2015

does one suppose they could spend some resources to develop something new? For jesus' sake.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
143. Middle of Paris, so I suspect police response was extremely rapid.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:26 PM
Nov 2015

Given the location, I'm sure there's a GIGN or RAID (French counter-terrorist units, who are really good) rapid response team on duty at all times.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
144. I don't know.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:27 PM
Nov 2015

I do know that the venue is a low structure surrounded by buildings 2-4 stories taller and that at one point there was a roof to roof shootout between terrorists and French police. I assume that's what the video is of.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
147. Reports
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:29 PM
Nov 2015

That they are killing hostages in the concert hall and explosions. Just send in the police. And just heard that they are sending them in.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
150. So
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:32 PM
Nov 2015

Fuck these guys and every terrorist that wants to kill innocents. This is just devastating.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
151. These terrorists are so stupid, they don't understand that this NEVER, EVER works!
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:33 PM
Nov 2015

Slaughtering innocent people accomplishes nothing. It never has and it never will.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
153. Police storm Paris concert hall where hostages held: security source
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:40 PM
Nov 2015
#BREAKING Police storm Paris concert hall where hostages held: security source

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/665311609712082944

#BREAKING Attacker in Paris concert hall shouted 'Allahu akbar', fired into crowd, witness says

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/665312486040596482

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
156. Agence France-Press reporting SEVEN attack sites...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:44 PM
Nov 2015

@AFP 14m14 minutes ago
#BREAKING Attacks in Paris took place at seven locations: security source

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
159. After Charlie Hebdo, I couldn’t fathom anything worse hitting Paris. Now exactly that is going on le
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:48 PM
Nov 2015

Have to admit--i did not think of this till now. and this tweet


Thomas Reymond ?@ThomasReymond97 1h1 hour ago

After Charlie Hebdo, I couldn’t fathom anything worse hitting Paris. Now exactly that is going on less than a year later #JeSuisParis

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
161. interview w/survivors of theatre attack -- shooting from balcony (no beheadings)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:50 PM
Nov 2015

It was carnage,” said Marc Coupris, 57, still shaking after being freed from the hostage-taking at the Bataclan concert venue. “It looked like a battlefield, there was blood everywhere, there were bodies everywhere. I was at the far side of the hall when shooting began. There seemed to be at least two gunmen. They shot from the balcony. Everyone scrabbled to the ground. I was on the ground with a man on top of me and another one beside me up against a wall. We just stayed still like that. At first we kept quiet. I don’t know how long we stayed like that, it seemed like an eternity. I saw my last final unfurl before me, I thought this was the end. I thought I’m finished, I’m finished. I was terrified. We must all have thought the same. Eventually, when a few gendarmes came in slowly we began to look up and there was blood absolutely everywhere. The police told us to run.”

Coupris, a legal worker, had come from Brittany with 15 friends to see the US band Eagles of Death Metal.

Jérome Boucer, shivering in the cold night wearing a white shirt splattered with the blood of the victims and wounded, said: “The concert had started. I was in the audience and I heard what sounded like a firecracker. It was loud but the gig was very loud and I thought it was something that was part of the show. I think lots of people did, too. Then they started firing. I saw what I thought was at least two people, then I fled. The exits were clearly marked and I just ran. There were wounded, there was a lot of blood. Blood everywhere.”

“It felt like a film,” said a woman in tears. who was part of his group.

“It was horrible, there were so many corpses, I just can’t talk about it,” said a bearded man in a death metal t-shirt as he ran down the street from the Bataclan in shock.

A woman in her twenties in a fur-collared coat had been drinking in a nearby bar when people fleeing the intial shooting at the Bataclan ran into the bar. “They were panicked, wounded, screaming, blood was running all over them. People were having panic attacks; it was horrific.”

The bar locked down but after police allowed it to be open again, she began running down the street towards the 3rd arrondissement to get away as fast as possible. As she and her friends ran, a young man with her in an overcoat and scarf said: “Crazy people did this. They were crazy, religious, crazy.”

Clément, an engineer, had been in a bar not far away which closed its iron shutters and everyone crouched beneath the bar. “Some people in the bar heard shots and the shutters were pulled down. It was Friday night. We were just out with friends for a pastis, as you do on Friday night. The first thing I thought of was the Charlie Hebdo attacks and terrorists. People were really afraid.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/13/shootings-reported-in-eastern-paris-live#block-5646737ee4b0ced428cb27d8

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
163. This is unacceptable
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:52 PM
Nov 2015

And should be condemned by every single country, just as every country condemned the 9/11 attacks.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
168. It is, and it will be.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:14 PM
Nov 2015

I don't think condemnation will make much difference to ISIS. But they have just bought themselves a world of hurt.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
164. The situation at the concert hall is over.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:02 PM
Nov 2015

Attackers killed. It's going to take a while to figure out how many innocents died but there were a lot, judging from what witnesses are reporting.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
169. Sky News says
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:19 PM
Nov 2015

100 or so dead. Time to drone some more terrorists. This is going to really throw the immigrant issue into disarray in Europe.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
173. unconfirmed, as many as 100 per reuters/guardian
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:25 PM
Nov 2015

4m ago00:20


Again, these reports are unconfirmed, but Reuters - citing BFM TV - is now saying that the death toll at the Bataclan alone could be as high as 100 people.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/13/shootings-reported-in-eastern-paris-live#block-5646737ee4b0ced428cb27d8

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
180. How the hell do multiple armed gunmen get into a concert hall??
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:16 PM
Nov 2015

Security is traditionally pretty thick...

christx30

(6,241 posts)
183. Distractions. Speed. Audacity of attack.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:08 PM
Nov 2015

They were probably watching the place for days looking for where security is the weakest. Hit that spot fast, and you can do whatever you want, until the counterattack comes.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
185. My sympathies and condolences to the French people,
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:57 AM
Nov 2015

especially to the victims and their friends and families.



Duppers

(28,125 posts)
189. Truly, Art.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:04 PM
Nov 2015

Looks as if msnbc over estimated the total. Let's hope none of the wounded add to the list of fatalities.

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