Donald Trump on waterboarding: 'Even if it doesn't work they deserve it'

[Rose Siding]

Source: The Guardian

Donald Trump touted the benefits of waterboarding in a campaign rally on Monday night, telling a crowd that “you bet your ass” he would bring it back into use.

Addressing thousands of people in Columbus, Ohio, the Republican frontrunner praised waterboarding, an interrogation method that has been called torture. “I would approve more than that,” he said.

Trump told supporters: “Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would. In a heartbeat. I would approve more than that. It works.”

The Republican frontrunner then added “… and if it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they do to us”.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/24/donald-trump-on-waterboarding-even-if-it-doesnt-work-they-deserve-it?CMP=share_btn_tw

[eggplant]

1. Gotta admit, every time you think he's hit the crazy limit, it's first down again. n/t

[Kilgore]

32. Very well put!

[olegramps]

38. He is a fascist bastard just like the rest of that stinking party.

The profile of the Fascists is the platform of the Republican Party. The reality is that Republicans have become nothing more than low life scum.

[tabasco]

58. True story.

It will be amazing if this country doesn't decline into full fascism. The rat bastards control two branches of our government.

[pocoloco]

69. Feinstein may have explained the benifits

of waterboarding to him, and how well it works!

[Kelvin Mace]

2. This is what happens

when you don't prosecute torture.

[OnyxCollie]

14. Thanks, Obama. nt

[Jarqui]

3. “… and if it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they do to us”.

He's such a jerk (to put it politely)

He's got his racism, misogyny, ignorance and propensity to commit war crimes on full display ... and he's leading in the GOP polls.

Every time, you think that party can't sink any lower .... they somehow find a way.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. He would approve MORE than waterboarding?

Thumbscrews? The rack? That slope is awfully slippery... Once you've crossed that line are there any limits at all? That fucker scares me, and the fact that there are people who support him scares me even more.

[yardwork]

18. He's saying that there are no limits. "They" deserve any torture.

This is the rhetoric used against Jews in Europe in the 1930s. "They" deserve it.

[rtb61]

62. Innocent until proven guilty not so much in the US anymore

Here is a person running for government and cheered on by a crowd, publicly admitting that torture of people is a part of their punishment. Keep in mind, that punishment as admitted by them is upon accusation and not after a public trial normally demanded by them because specifically you can not trust government.
So you now have public executions when ever citizens disrespect police, torture as punishment upon accusation of commuting a crime and I suppose no trial necessary once the victim confesses to a crime they have been told they committed and until they confess they are tortured and well, sometimes they die of natural causes for failure to confess whilst being tortured.
Trump is advocating an end to innocent until proven guilty and no right to a trial prior to be punished based upon nothing but accusation by government.
In quite a few countries Trump would be under arrest for advocating criminal activities, instigating violence and hate speech.

[BlueStater]

5. What a sick, loathsome fuck.

It just keeps getting and worse. It's like there's no end.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

34. "It's like there's no end."

Yes, there is:

[volstork]

57. Well played, my friend--

Well played

[freshwest]

59. Thank you. n/t

[neverforget]

6. The undercurrent of hate, racism and fascism has shown it's ugly head

in the form of Il Duce Trump.

[OnyxCollie]

15. "Bring it on!"

And they did.

That's World Champion Asshole on display right there.

[Gregorian]

7. He works quite well as the poster boy for the republican party.

In a way, he's doing us a favor. In the future we can point to fascists like Trump as what they really are.

[yardwork]

19. Unless he gets elected. /nt

[RobinA]

22. Him Getting Elected

may be the best thing for both parties. He's a reductio ad absurdum that may force them to a more sane position going forward. The sane Republicans may be emboldened to come out of hiding. A needed correction.

[yardwork]

23. It doesn't work that way. I used to think that too.

We would just have fascism. Like Germany in the 1930s. I'm serious. If it could happen in Vienna, it could happen here.

[daleanime]

27. Too damn close to happening here.....

have you talked to any of his supporters?

Terrifying is what it is, even more so when they belong to your family.

[yardwork]

36. I know. It is terrifying.

[w0nderer]

54. want to be really scared?

Imagine after Trump gets elected (hope not) but...

When he starts the Donald Trump Campaign for Political Purity of America, with 'Vacation spots' in Reeducation camps for the selected, with 24/7 Fox news piped into every room loudly, nourishing Gruel, hard work healthily outside and much much more.

And with Prizes for all Selectors of the 'Guests', Double the prize if you inform(select) on family.

I wish that was sarcasm
sadly it reads like an onion post should, not something that could happen

[awoke_in_2003]

61. Yep- it is happening here...

and too many people won't open their eyes and see it for what it is.

[xocet]

8. Apparently, Trump wants to be a war criminal/torturer. n/t

[Jeb Bartlet]

9. Something I would expect

from an uneducated low brow thug.....nailed it!

[Aria36]

10. Trump: Torture for the fun of it!

He & Isis have a lot in common.

[yuiyoshida]

11. Gotta admit, Trump not only has hit the glass ceiling

he has risen above it..whats next, Donald? Gas Chambers and Ovens for Muslims??..I am sure someone will suggest it to him. The guy has DICTATOR written all over him. We thought Dick Cheny was bad...he wants to be DickCheney4.2

[Liberal_in_LA]

12. Wow.

[truthisfreedom]

13. At this point he's going to run out of offensive

things to be more offensive than.

[Kablooie]

16. He's just saying what Republicans have been thinking for decades.

That's why they love him.
This is the world they want and they are overjoyed that someone says he will get it for them.

[Judi Lynn]

17. Halfwit degenerate. Evil and stupid. n/t

[Vinca]

20. And his batsh*t crazy followers love it.

This character could actually win the GOP nomination and the presidency. Don't underestimate him. This is what we thought about Reagan. About half the country is so stupid they couldn't name the VP for a million dollar prize and they'll line up for blocks to vote for a reality show star. Maybe Kim Kardashian will be his running mate.

[Betty]

21. He's figured out his base

The worse the things that he says are, the more his poll numbers go up. I just pray that in a general election, there aren't enough of those fuckers voting to hand him the election. He will make bush look like a great statesman.

[whatthehey]

24. Do any of you spend time on bar stools or diner stools outside bright blue enclaves?

This isn't "crazy" or "extreme" in relation to the zeitgeist of the American masses. If you hear what the normal folk, the salt of the earth, the common man....you know, morons (thanks Gene) say when they get together for anything other than "bring a vegan nut-free gluten-free dish to share in our potluck to raise money for distressed Kazakh lacemakers" type meetings, you'd hear that all Trump is doing is playing the suckers in true Barnum fashion, based on the limited lizard brain scope that it's oh-so-politically-incorrect to mention is all most people rely on, or have the mental capacity to handle. It's why his trashy faux-Louis XVI decor screams wealth and taste and his blustering says alpha male to the same mouth-breathing audience.

He's not inciting oe causing or even exacerbating this idiocy. He's giving it a microphone. In this day of everyone is equal and IQ means nothing and it's rude to correct grammar mistakes because that's so prescriptive, somebody needs to stand up and say that a lot of people are flat out uninformed, mentally incurious, and intellectually incapable of nuanced or lateral thinking. And no they are not all Republican, or all white, or all suburban, or all male, or all fat. They are legion, and everywhere, and our education system has for decades stressed that they should be considered equally valuable mentally as any PhD or polymath. We don't pretend that the huge number of people who will never break a 6 second 40yd or be able to throw a football more than 20 yds or grow over 6' tall are equally valuable as NFL players, but we've told two or three generations of shambling buffoons who think that tossing three heads in a row increases the probability that the next one will be tails that their brains and intellects are just "different, but just as good" when compared to a genius.

And what has that wrought? Almost an entire electorate, left and right, who thinks they, or the guy on the bar stool next to them, has just as much insight into global trade as Krugman and just as worthy opinions on the Middle East as a career foreign service analyst and that they can see through the "ivory tower bullshit". And they have decided that if uneducated pig-ignorant goobers like themselves all think that terrorists (aka brown skinned folks except Vishal at the help desk) should be thumbscrewed until they larn' not to mess with the big dawg US of A then so should the politicians. And lo, one such, not coincidentally a lifetime huckster, suddenly appears.

There have always beewn dull, mentally vapid people in huge numbers. But we, as in much of the west, only got dull mentally vapid leadership when we persuaded those dull mentally vapid voters that they were something else. Look around countries which have strenuous, intellectually streamed and performance-segregated education systems. Any of them have a GWB just gone and a Trump just pending?

[joshcryer]

25. Well written.

He knows his audience well.

[underpants]

30. Great post.

[PatrickforO]

33. Good post.

But this ignorant mass of people exists in virtually every nation. We're also seeing their intolerance, hate and racism rearing up in Europe after the Paris tragedy.

[whatthehey]

42. Oh sure, American exceptionalism is BS here too

There are huge incurious reactionary masses in Korea, or Singapore, or Germany etc. True indeed. However those countries generally haven't spent three generations telling those masses that they are "smart" and that "book learning is just one kind of intellect" and that "common sense" (which is typically neither) is all they need to reach valid conclusions in complex inductive reasoning. What they get in return is knuckle-dragging hordes who at least defer to their respective pointy headed intellectuals in such situations. The Scottish independence vote is an example. All the beer-fueled sound and fury in the council estates screamed devolution, but enough people trusted those econ PhD's who said, in paraphrase, "are you nuts? Have you seen the tax outflows compared to government spending?" and all was well. How do you think that vote would go in Texas today?

[Calista241]

35. Hear, hear

[Freethinker65]

41. Yes!

[a la izquierda]

45. Thanks...

From someone with a PhD. This country is fucked beyond belief. We live in an idiocracy.

[red dog 1]

51. + 1

[Thinkingabout]

26. This is exposing the lack of presidential ability, he has stated he is nit willing to abide by

Agreements signed by the US. It is not a reality tv show, he is not serious in his campaign for president, shameful he is supported by voters.

[DetlefK]

28. Yeah... No... Mkay... In Trump's "Great America" people will be tortured as a punishment.

[Rose Siding]

37. Without charges or conviction or any due process at all

[sinkingfeeling]

29. And exactly what are they doing to us, Donald? Making you shit your pants? Only cowards use torture.

[PatrickforO]

31. If Trump is going for the Hitler look, maybe he should grow one of those little

mustaches.

On a more serious note, sane Americans everywhere have to be looking at the rise of this guy with horror.

I saw a comic a few months ago on here that had a young couple sitting on a couch watching TV. The first panel was captioned, 'What Republicans think Democrats do when watching the GOP debate.' In this panel the couple were sitting seriously side by side, obviously listening.

The second caption read, 'What Dems ACTUALLY do when watching the GOP debate,' and in this panel, the couple were laughing uproariously.

Now, my son and I watched the first GOP debate and did the laughing...

But I'm not laughing now. Nor is he. Trump scares the shit out of me because it would be SO easy for him to take control of this country and turn it into a Fourth Reich. My son has a more positive view - he thinks people will stand up and say 'enough' to Trump. But then he hasn't lived quite as long as I have, nor seen how utterly brutal we can be to one another. This guy and his Nazi followers are more dangerous to civilization than words can even say.

[olddad56]

39. Maybe if he were tortured in a similar manner,

then he would be more qualified to speak on the subject.

[w0nderer]

53. i posted in another thread

as someone who has been waterboarded (part of military training in a foreign country(immigrant))

"I will accept any vote FOR waterboarding from a person only when written on the back of a certificate that the voter has gone through waterboarding signed by the 5 S.E.R.E. instructors that executed the waterboarding in a "Hostile", "No Safe word", "Not time Limited" environment."


Then again, waterboard people and the result will be waterboarding more Americans, or worse
Once that 'highroad' is lost, it's a slippery slope to climb back up there again.

Torture ....ooh my bad!
'enhanced interrogation techniques utilizing H20' has a way to come back around.

[TomCADem]

40. I Think That Will Cause Him To Go Up In The Polls

The more mean spirited, xenophobic or racist your remarks, the better you do among the Republican faithful.

[lark]

43. You first, Donald, you first.

You certainly deserve it more than an inocent person due to your incendiary race baiting remarks.

[niyad]

44. and may you receive everything YOU deserve, donny boy.

[They_Live]

46. what an a**hole!

[KingCharlemagne]

47. Congratulations, Trump. You've just managed to endorse the use of torture on any U.S. servicemen

and women who fall into enemy hands.

Why aren't the generals and admirals speaking out??? WTF???

[gregcrawford]

48. Behold a pale horse...

...and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown -- no, wait, that's not a crown... holy shit! That's a TRIBBLE on his head!

Never thought pure evil would look so stupid.

[yurbud]

49. now he really is expressing the GOP id. The same could be said of the death penalty, cops killing

unarmed black kids, and any other cruelty or violence committed by those with authority on anyone except white middle class and above folks.

[TrollBuster9090]

50. *Ahem*...STILL WAITING FOR CHICKENSHIT SEAN HANNITY TO BE WATERBOARDED

Bloviating chickenshit Sean Hannity claims waterboarding is no big deal, and volunteers to be waterboarded for charity. Offers to donate money to veterans and their families. Keith Olbermann offers to give him $1000 per second that he's waterboarded....

Six years later....CRICKETS

[w0nderer]

55. Sean Hannity's excuse

I didn't want to only send $1000 dollars to charity.

:-p

[red dog 1]

52. K&R...Thanks for posting

Trump is just another slack-jowled, knuckle-dragging Neanderthal Republican billionaire,
full of hate, full of selfishness, full of himself and full of shit!

[SammyWinstonJack]

56. Good grief. He's sick and so are his fans, as he refers to them

[freshwest]

60. Give that man the nuclear launch codes and the button? Oh hell no!

At least Obama has a clear head, so we're spared until 2017, if universe forbid, Trump wins. All the GOP are waiting for is an incident big enough to derail Democrats.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1102&pid=28608

[TrollBuster9090]

63. What? You've got a problem with a guy who plans to paint all the missiles gold, and write TRUMP

and write TRUMP on the warheads?

[L. Coyote]

65. Regarding Don:

[center]
[br]

[prouddemfromaustin44]

66. Jesus, this man is a loon.

He really needs to see a shrink for his anger issues. And to think that this guy might be elected next year. Gives me chills...

[trusty elf]

67. Smells Like Guillotine Spirit

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[BlueJazz]

68. I've said this before but after talking to 3 of my friends in Europe "they are completely appalled."

They take Trump very seriously and are fearful of this man.

(talked to them this last night...afternoon for them)

[Sinpledon]

70. Wow

I thought Trump had reached a new low.

[billhicks76]

71. DU Censored This About Trump And 911

Some real losers here said this wasn't true because one cannot ever ever ever criticize Israel and that only Arabs commit heinous crimes. http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/trump-almost-got-it-right-some-people-were-arrested-for-celebrating-911-but-they-were-israeli/

[sulphurdunn]

72. Trump should be grateful

everyone doesn't get what they deserve.

[Turbineguy]

73. That word "they"

has a good chance of growing.

[leftyladyfrommo]

74. He probably plays fast and loose with the law

In his business deals, too.

Scary guy.