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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:04 PM Nov 2015

John Mccain And Lindsey Graham Want 100,000 Foreign Troops To Fight ISIS In Syria

Source: Agence France-Presse

(AFP) US senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham called Sunday for 100,000 foreign soldiers, most from Sunni regional states but also including Americans, to fight the Islamic State group in Syria.

Both McCain, the chair of the Senate Committee on Armed Services, and Graham, one of its members, sharply criticised current US strategy as insufficient and unsuccessful in defeating the jihadists.

That strategy has consisted of carrying out air strikes against IS in Iraq and Syria in support of local ground forces, which have also received weapons and training.

“I think 100,000 would be (the) total requirement,” McCain told journalists in Baghdad when asked about the size of the anti-IS force he and Graham were advocating for Syria.

Read more: http://jpupdates.com/2015/11/29/john-mccain-and-lindsey-graham-want-100000-foreign-troops-to-fight-isis-in-syria/

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John Mccain And Lindsey Graham Want 100,000 Foreign Troops To Fight ISIS In Syria (Original Post) Purveyor Nov 2015 OP
You first, boys. forest444 Nov 2015 #1
Aren't you supposed to call for religious volunteers for a crusade? Downwinder Nov 2015 #10
Unless their last names are Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh, Nugent, or Romney forest444 Nov 2015 #12
Let them get their uniforms on and get parachuted into Syria! Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #33
ROFL! You beat me to the Miss Lindsay bit mdbl Nov 2015 #29
What can I say. Great minds think alike. forest444 Nov 2015 #34
In the trenches John and Lindsey. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2015 #2
HEY!! yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #3
Well, we know we can't trust him with a plane, don't we? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #6
I do not support using American ground troops Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #39
In those countries where ISIS is a direct threat, they should be willing to end the threat. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #40
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #41
One of the reasons I do not support ground troops in Syria... Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #42
I hope the world can come up with some kind of plan to get rid of ISIS uhnope Nov 2015 #5
When are those two going to retire to a Caribbean island and leave us the fuck alone? nt valerief Nov 2015 #7
Before I'd even consider it, some McCain and Grahams would have to enlist in the infantry. And some marble falls Nov 2015 #8
OK puppies. oldandhappy Nov 2015 #9
good. the can call for a legion of talk radio & Fox News hosts yurbud Nov 2015 #11
Republican's children first. truthisfreedom Nov 2015 #13
Why does this sound so familiar? Tempest Nov 2015 #14
Something like 72% of Americans oppose sending conventional ground troops. Renew Deal Nov 2015 #15
Is that 90,000 to overthrow Assad and 10,000 to destroy ISIS? Daniel537 Nov 2015 #16
Let's play this out Yavin4 Nov 2015 #17
People in Hell want ice-water, too, Lindy! lastlib Nov 2015 #18
Hell, if you are sending others, why stop at 100.000? 200.000 sounds like a nice number. Or 3? Or 4? chelsea0011 Nov 2015 #19
What a pleasant happenstance it would be if both were to disappear from the face of the earth. Solly Mack Nov 2015 #20
Hell, why not just call it an even million? beerandjesus Nov 2015 #21
....but they'll settle for 100,000 U.S. troops, if necessary. Paladin Nov 2015 #22
IS is a russian problem now. Used to be no visa needed to travel Russia to Turkey to Syria. Sunlei Nov 2015 #23
what I mean is russia has boots on the ground in syria, let his boots expand to 100k russians. Sunlei Nov 2015 #24
Sure it will start with 100,000 workinclasszero Nov 2015 #25
The Saudis could do this, alone! atreides1 Nov 2015 #26
Good idea. Beowulf42 Nov 2015 #27
You two fly to turkey rent a jeep and have at it hosses. harun Nov 2015 #28
anyone think Lindsey would make it through boot camp? mdbl Nov 2015 #30
McCain never met a country he didn't want to invade. Hissyspit Nov 2015 #31
Why would Sunnis fight Suunis? daleo Nov 2015 #32
Disgusting McKim Dec 2015 #35
And it will be a cakewalk right? hibbing Dec 2015 #36
Send your sons McCain! Send your sons Lindsey! Oh no sons Lindsey? No wife either, eh? GOLGO 13 Dec 2015 #37
They'll greet us as liberators! Canoe52 Dec 2015 #38

forest444

(5,902 posts)
12. Unless their last names are Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh, Nugent, or Romney
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 07:39 PM
Nov 2015

They'd probably be too busy barhopping in Alabama, complaining about cysts or flat feet, freshening themselves up from some recent "mishap," or learning about joie de vivre from the people who do it best.

Mais c'est si bon, non?

mdbl

(4,972 posts)
29. ROFL! You beat me to the Miss Lindsay bit
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 09:08 PM
Nov 2015

but I was on the same track of making his whimpy worthless behind go and fight alongside the other soldiers he would send there.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
34. What can I say. Great minds think alike.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:15 PM
Nov 2015

As you probably know, there's a parallel in American history to Miss Lindsay's chicken hawk hypocrisy: none other than Senator Joe McCarthy.

McCarthy, you see, was actually brought down by a homosexual scandal - not his own, but by way of his chief legal counsel and dirty trickster, Roy Cohn. It was Cohn who, for reasons of personal revenge, talked McCarthy into persecuting the U.S. Army of all things - the decision that would, of course, bring about McCarthy's downfall.

At the height of his Red-baiting career in 1953, Cohn's assistant (and reputed lover), David Schine, was drafted by the Army. They refused to waive Schine's draft despite (maybe because of) relentless pressure and a barrage of threats from Cohn, and his response was to launch the infamous Army-McCarthy Hearings.

Cohn had grossly overestimated public hysteria, even at the height of the Red Scare, and the ploy of course backfired - destroying "Tail-Gunner Joe" in one 20-second comeback from Army counsel Joseph Welch:



Schine went on to marry Miss Universe, as it happens; he even produced The French Connection. He and his wife died in a suspicious small airplane crash in 1996.

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Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
40. In those countries where ISIS is a direct threat, they should be willing to end the threat.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:32 PM
Dec 2015

and we should support them.
To date, ISIS has not proven a direct threat to the US. I suspect if they pull of a Paris like attack we will have the Big Red 1 and the First Marines driving through Damascus. I don't think that is the best way to deal with them, but it is not that difficult to get a majority behind a war.

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Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
42. One of the reasons I do not support ground troops in Syria...
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:04 PM
Dec 2015

is that there is no way to measure a victory.

In WWII we fought against governments, and when those governments lost all ability to make war upon us, we had won. Then, we went in and helped their people rebuild their nations and they are now good members of the world.

There is no metric that allows us to measure victory against ISIS.

We finally killed Osama, but Al Qaeda is still out there. In fact, ISIS used to be Al Qaeda in Iraq. Ironically, Al Qaeda now fights ISIS with us.

When would we know ISIS is defeated? Is a group that springs up using, former members and the ideas and methods of ISIS a new group or the same group?

To me, the best way to combat ISIS is to get functioning governments in Syria and Iraq. Had ISIS not appeared in a failed state in the midst of a civil war they would never have been the plague they are now.

The best way to deal with international terrorism is through legal systems, national laws, and international law. Terrorists who attack civilians should be captured and tried in a court of law, the way we are going to try the man who shot up the Planned Parenthood office in Colorado.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
5. I hope the world can come up with some kind of plan to get rid of ISIS
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:17 PM
Nov 2015

but these two guys have no more cred than Putin when it comes to military intervention

marble falls

(56,361 posts)
8. Before I'd even consider it, some McCain and Grahams would have to enlist in the infantry. And some
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 07:12 PM
Nov 2015

Trumps, Cruzes, Bushes, etc. And my answer would still be "NO!"

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
11. good. the can call for a legion of talk radio & Fox News hosts
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 07:34 PM
Nov 2015

And their audience to do the fighting.

Hell, they could pay for it too.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
14. Why does this sound so familiar?
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 09:44 PM
Nov 2015

Oh yeah...

Mr. Wolfowitz, the deputy defense secretary, opened a two-front war of words on Capitol Hill, calling the recent estimate by Gen. Eric K. Shinseki of the Army that several hundred thousand troops would be needed in postwar Iraq, "wildly off the mark." Pentagon officials have put the figure closer to 100,000 troops.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
16. Is that 90,000 to overthrow Assad and 10,000 to destroy ISIS?
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:02 PM
Nov 2015

Because these two birds say Assad is the biggest threat of all and must be removed at all costs. So, step up boys, put up or shut up.

Yavin4

(35,357 posts)
17. Let's play this out
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:13 PM
Nov 2015

For argument's sake, we do this, and this coalition defeats ISIS. Then what? Overthrow Assad? On what authority? But, let's keep going. We do overthrow Assad. Then what? Who replaces him?

lastlib

(22,981 posts)
18. People in Hell want ice-water, too, Lindy!
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:15 PM
Nov 2015

Not only "NO!" but [font size=10]HELL, NO!![/font size]

not unless YOU go first, Lindy! You right behind him, Johnny-boy. (or vice versa, I don't care) You got such a hard-on for war and bloodshed, let's see how big you talk when it's YOUR blood on the line!

Solly Mack

(90,740 posts)
20. What a pleasant happenstance it would be if both were to disappear from the face of the earth.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:55 PM
Nov 2015

Just *Poof*. Gone.

No more posturing by either of the puffed up popinjays.

beerandjesus

(1,301 posts)
21. Hell, why not just call it an even million?
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:41 AM
Nov 2015

Then Hillary the Fighter can come in and negotiate it down to 950,000.

That way, we get more war, we're all ready for the next war with Iran, and most importantly, Hillary gets to show how tough she is AND her supporters can crow about what a great negotiator she is! Everybody wins!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
23. IS is a russian problem now. Used to be no visa needed to travel Russia to Turkey to Syria.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:58 AM
Nov 2015

Putins trying to shut that door, but it's probably decades to late for Russia.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
24. what I mean is russia has boots on the ground in syria, let his boots expand to 100k russians.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:01 AM
Nov 2015

Our American war profiteers will have to 'make do' with-out Americans Federal money and without American lives at risk.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
25. Sure it will start with 100,000
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:51 AM
Nov 2015

Then escalate...see Vietnam.

If a republican gets elected in 2016 you can expect shit like this on day one.

atreides1

(16,046 posts)
26. The Saudis could do this, alone!
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:56 AM
Nov 2015

SANG had 75,000 active soldiers and 25,000 tribal levies. The SANG is a military force independent of the Ministry of Defense.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian_National_Guard

Beowulf42

(202 posts)
27. Good idea.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:24 PM
Nov 2015

And let those war loving assholes be in the front ranks with their M16s and a 40 lbs. backpack. Old men should never - never - propose a war that only young people fight in. We said we would never forget Viet Nam. Bullshit. Those words were barely out of the mouths of politicians before the Military/Industrial Complex was planning the next war.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
37. Send your sons McCain! Send your sons Lindsey! Oh no sons Lindsey? No wife either, eh?
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 11:52 AM
Dec 2015

A man well past his 50's with no children & never having been married? What's that we call a man like that...Lindsey?

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