Dad: San Bernardino shooter agreed with ISIL, 'obsessed with Israel'

[Jesus Malverde]

Source: USA Today

The father, who is also named Syed Farook, told La Stampa that his son took on an overly conservative outlook on Islam and at least once expressed support for ideas promoted by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State militant group, also known as ISIL or ISIS.

"He said he shared the ideology of al-Baghdadi to create an Islamic state, and he was obsessed with Israel," the father told a reporter in an interview outside the home of this other son, Syed Raheel Farook, in Corona, Calif.

The father said he counseled his son to be patient because, he said, in time political changes in the Middle East will accomplish his desires.

"I kept telling him always: stay calm, be patient, in two years Israel will no longer exist," the elder Farook told the newspaper. "Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China, America too, nobody wants the Jews there."

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/12/06/dad-san-bernardino-shooter-agreed-isil-obssessed-israel/76890108/

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Sounds like the whole family is radicalized and infected with jihadi nonsense.

[darkangel218]

1. "In two years Israel will no longer exist"

Holy shit!



Hopefully FBI is watching them closely.

[Jesus Malverde]

3. Some advice from a father...eh?...nt

[darkangel218]

5. Mind boggling to say the least.

[appal_jack]

26. Yup.

And this is why I understand and admire the muscular defensive posture Israel often (by necessity) takes. Well more than a billion of their neighbors want to see them wiped off the map. If US aid can help stop that, I feel the money is well spent.

-app

[JudyM]

33. +1

[leftynyc]

52. +1000

[question everything]

77. +2000

I wondered how long it would take before someone inserts Israel there

[7962]

32. Been hearing THAT one for 40 years. nt

[trillion]

48. this is common rhetoric? It's new to me.

[7962]

57. Here's one from earlier this yr

Although he does say 25 yrs, not 2
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/middleeast/iran-khamenei-israel-will-not-exist-25-years/

[trillion]

47. Agreed. This isn't the first time I've heard this l I saw this about Israel not being

here in two years on the news at least a few weeks ago. I believe it was one of the people interviewed in Paris during that massacre.
So it was on Democracy Now where I saw it. Now I'm worried. It made me go WTH the first time I heard it and I was wondering who was this person they were interviewing. It was just someone on the street of Paris who seemed like an ISIS sympathizer.
Anybody else remember this on Democracty now right after the Paris attack? I may go rewatch that whole week just to find this statement.

[mackerel]

2. A lot people here in California believe the family

knew more than they are presently admitting too.

[darkangel218]

4. I mean, look at the father's statement!

Is that a normal thing to say?

I didn't want to assume anything about them before, but it is pretty clear now.

[hollowdweller]

40. Pretty normal for a muslim I'd say

Even the pretty much secular muslims I have known and even black US muslims I have known have all hated Israel and the Jews. Has always shocked me how even mild mannered ones I have known have called for some pretty extreme stuff toward Jews.

[darkangel218]

41. Hmm.. I did not know that.

I find it very disturbing.

[trillion]

49. I only knew one that I was close friends with from work and sadly this was the case with him.

I hoped it was just him and not common. I don't like to judge a whole race on a few people. These comments from this father are awful. He and his whole family should be on the terrorist watch list if they all think like that. I usually support the Muslims and take them at their word that they are peaceful. Hopefully most are.

[smirkymonkey]

67. Wow, that is pretty disturbing.

I was really shocked when I read that.

[LiberalElite]

55. Again, the apple

dosen't fall far from the tree...

[question everything]

78. Let us remember that the father abused his wife

until she finally divorced.

I would not put too much credence in what he says..

[darkangel218]

79. If what he said to the reporter now is a lie,

I would be terrified to hear what his "real" thoughts in regard to Israel are.

[840high]

7. I don't believe the family. They knew.

[ck4829]

14. Just like how the neighbors knew

Enrique Marquez, what did you do?

http://abc7.com/news/photo-of-neighbor-who-allegedly-bought-2-rifles-used-in-san-bernardino-attack/1111930/

[complain jane]

42. He checked himself

into a mental hospital? Is that a ploy to avoid questioning?

[atreides1]

6. Not the whole family

"The father said his family was destroyed when his son sided against him with his equally religious mother."

"Rizwan was the mama's boy, and she is very religious like him," he said. "Once we had a dispute about the historical figure of Jesus, my son yelled that I was an unbeliever and decided that marriage with my wife had to end."

Sounds like the father was just telling his son what he wanted to hear, in hopes of keeping him from doing something stupid!

The mother appears to be the radicalized one!

[mackerel]

8. I'm not sure I'm buying that spin. Time will tell. I'm sure this investigation

will be thorough.

[Android3.14]

9. Same relationship pattern with the son and wife

I'd bet.

[FrodosPet]

10. But Syed Farook was an American!

All this happened because he was a gun nut who had some major beef about being disrespected at work.

And anyone who says this was international terrorism is Islamophobic and hates all Muslims and worships the MIC.

[christx30]

12. So if it was just a workplace thing,

why did he leave 6000 rounds of ammo and 12 pipe bombs at his house? You would think if he's making a workplace attack, he would bring everything he had. Or was there something else he was planning to do with that stuff?

[rpannier]

15. +100

That's a lot to leave behind
Especially the pipe bombs
If he couldn't have taken everything to a single attack, he'd likely have taken all the bombs and left more of the ammo behind

[christx30]

16. I look at it this way...

I make 4 dozen jello shots for a party. I only take 1 dozen. My roommate gets home from work and finds 3 dozen jello shots in the fridge. Would he be right to ask if I'm planning on having people over?

[Jesus Malverde]

23. Perfect and lol...nt

[7962]

34. Damn right. nt

[FrodosPet]

17. Running for President of the NRA?

Or maybe he was planning on getting another job and wanted to make sure he was ready the next time he felt offended?

[PersonNumber503602]

27. heh, that FrodosPet... I believe his tongue is firmly planted in his cheek

That's always been my impression. You've been here much longer, so maybe you know something I do not.

[JudyM]

36. maybe he was going to hit his gym as well. and other places he hung out & had problems w/ppl. nt

[cynzke]

54. They thought they could get away with the first attack and....

commit more at a future date. Being obsessed with Israel may be why they targeted the employee Christmas party. He argued with a Jewish co-worker and per the co-worker's wife, there had been many disagreements previously. Sound like Farook could no longer contain his anger and decided targeting his co-workers was multi-tasking. Sick!

[elljay]

66. Just to be Accurate

The employee with whom he argued was not Jewish. He was a Christian who belongs to a Christian sect that has adopted the name "Messianic Judaism." Members of this sect, the majority of whom were born Christian with a minority of members who were born Jews but converted to Christianity, adopt some Jewish practices and religious articles, but are not considered to be practicing Judaism by Jews. That, of course, doesn't excuse anything about this horrible incident. I just wanted to be clear because this particular group does not speak for Jews and is actually offensive to many of us because of its misrepresentation.

[Mosby]

69. Thanks for that

and welcome to DU.

[RandySF]

13. And this is sarcasm, I hope?

[FrodosPet]

21. Sadly, yes

Having this tragedy happen at all has shaken me up pretty bad.

Having it happen a a center that serves people with developmental disabilities has flipped the switch in my having any kind of ability to understand or cope with it.

The clients of the center are the most innocent and frail people alive. To know their sanctuary was violated so horribly just makes me want to curl up in a ball and say fuck everything, our species is just too fucking broken and mean.

[darkangel218]

24. I'm sorry..

With me was 9/11. I developed flying phobia after ( never before was I even remotely afraid of flying)

[darkangel218]

18. This is sarcasm, right?

[FrodosPet]

22. It's sarcasm

Sad, frustrated sarcasm.

[Democat]

46. According to many on DU

It was a workplace shooting probably caused by a Jewish man.

[leftynyc]

53. Good think I missed those posts

I would have gotten banned for sure.

[trillion]

50. I would have agreed without until I read his fathers comments above. They're very distrurbing.

[Lurks Often]

56. You forgot the sarcasm thingy

[Angel Martin]

11. this is the father and he is the "moderate" one in the family ?

"I kept telling him always: stay calm, be patient, in two years Israel will no longer exist," the elder Farook told the newspaper. "Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China, America too, nobody wants the Jews there."

[Yupster]

19. If you've seen polls from Muslim countries, unfortunately

this is the moderate view.

[elmac]

20. The News called him a liberal

I wish they would make up their mind.

[Jesus Malverde]

25. They also describe murderous jihadis in Syria as "moderates"...nt

[still_one]

28. Not very bright is he?

[Jesus Malverde]

30. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree...nt

[still_one]

37. I also think I heard he abused his wife terribly

[DonCoquixote]

29. teh father sounds more like

an archie bunker type nopt really thrilled with isis, but willing to sit things out.

[7962]

31. But wait, we were told initially that the family was shocked, SHOCKED at his actions.

And that he never said anything out of the ordinary

[kwassa]

35. The father is an alcoholic that beat his wife, according to divorce papers .....

hardly a reputable source.

SAN BERNARDINO — Divorce papers from the parents of one of the San Bernardino attackers reveal an acrimonious split in which the wife accused her husband of being an abusive alcoholic.

The records obtained Thursday by The Associated Press show that Syed Farook’s mother, Rafia, described her husband in 2006 as “irresponsible, negligent and an alcoholic.”

She said she was forced to move out of her home with three of her children because her husband continually harassed her “verbally and physically and refused to leave the home.”

She filed a no-contact, stay-away domestic violence protection petition on July 3, 2006. She alleged that same year that her husband attacked her while her kids were present, dropped a TV on her and pushed her toward a car.

http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20151203/san-bernardino-shooter-syed-farooks-parents-had-acrimonious-divorce

[Jesus Malverde]

38. Source for what?

The advice he gave his son. Admitted antisemitism and love for a radical religious view? Seems he outed himself.

[kwassa]

39. He outed himself .....

but we will probably never know what actually transpired between him and his son. That part of it is unreliable.

Hatred of Israel among Middle Eastern immigrants itself is not uncommon. I don't see evidence of a radical religious view from the father, though. Delusion, perhaps.

[JDPriestly]

43. This hatred of Israel is downright sick.

And we sometimes see it on DU.

Migrations are a part of the natural development and history of the world.

Europe, especially France has many, many immigrants from across the world. And of course, here in the US we welcome immigrants from everywhere and allow them to become citizens and vote and participate in our political life.

The Middle Eastern countries welcome laborers from around the world. There is no opposition to those migrations from the same people in the Middle East who migrate to other parts of the world.

Migration is a normal part of human development.

And no people or religion has the exclusive claim to any part of the world if you look at history.

Palestine was not a separate country but for a few years. It was part of the Ottoman Empire and earlier part of the Roman Empire.

Tolerance, religious, ethnic and racial, is the hope for the world. Intolerance of all kinds will lead to war after war.

[darkangel218]

44. What I've seen on DU is some posters disagreeing with Israel's

Foreign policies. I have yet to see the kind of hate you're talking about (similar with what the terrorist father said).

[elljay]

68. Maybe not on DU

but if you read RawStory, Huffington Post or some other progressive sites, the comments frequently cross the line from opposing Israeli policies to antisemitism. If African Americans were blamed for Boko Haram and Mexican Americans for El Chapo, there would be outrage. When someone blames Jews (most of whom DO NOT live in Israel), for particular actions of the Israeli government, I almost never see a rebuttal from a non-Jew.

[darkangel218]

74. I hear ya.. n/t

[Democat]

45. So the family knew he was radicalized?

And did nothing about it?

[sgood]

59. What are they supposed to do?

He's a grown man.

[Democat]

60. Maybe they should have talked to the police?

Their son might be alive today if they had taken action.

[sgood]

61. For being a radical muslim?

That's not a crime. That's why Hillary and Obama refuse to use the expression, "radical muslim." It's not illegal to believe in fundamentalist Islam. Not in the US.

[Democat]

62. If someone openly supports a known international terror group

Is it unreasonable to let the police know that?

[sgood]

63. It's not a crime to agree with ISIS.

[christx30]

70. It is a crime to make pipe bombs. n/t

[sgood]

81. That's not the issue.

But congratulations, you got something right, even if it is irrelevant.

[christx30]

83. And if someone is building bombs in my home,

and I find out about it, I'll either kick them out, or call the cops, if only for my own protection.
Unless I agree with them and why they are building the bombs. Then I'll either help them or I'll turn a blind eye to it.

[leftynyc]

75. Perhaps not

but that is definitely someone I want the cops to keep an eye on. If they had in this case, 14 people would still be alive and there wouldn't be another dozen recovering from gunshot wounds. You can be damn sure if I heard a neighbor sympathizing with isis, I would IMMEDIATELY call the police.

[darkangel218]

80. +1 milion!

[sgood]

82. You are completely wrong.

You live in what is still a free country. It is not a criminal offense to exercise free speech. Or is that something Hillaryists want to change?

[christx30]

84. Farook's dad is now on a terror watch list

Last edited Tue Dec 8, 2015, 06:10 PM - Edit history (1)

because of his relationship with his son and travels to Pakistan. Exercise of free speech isn't a crime, but it can get you looked at.

http://www.ibtimes.com/san-bernardino-shooters-father-fbi-terrorist-watch-list-syed-farooks-travels-pakistan-2216298

[leftynyc]

85. Spare me

So you would stand by and listen to people talk about sympathizing with isis and think "well, they're entitled to their opinion"? What complete and utter bullshit. Please tell me you don't live anywhere near NY.

[LanternWaste]

87. he irrational mind often believes there are only two possibilities to any given scenario...

"Or is that something Hillaryists want to change?"

No doubt, the irrational mind often believes there are only two possibilities to any given scenario... in this wonderfully asburd example, either free speech or something the 'Hillaryists" want to change.

Adorable. Bless your little heart...

[sgood]

88. Your post is idiotic.

Do you know what a false dilemma is? Look it up.

[Bernin]

51. Hrrmm

Yet, he did not attack Israel or Israelis.
Matter of fact,
I can't think of a time ISIS/ISIL has ever attacked Israel.

[leftynyc]

58. Maybe because Israel

checks every single person carefully that crosses their border. They don't give a shit about being PC.

[wordpix]

64. yes the Jews are to blame for all maladies, just like Hitler said

1% of the world's population, yet the Jews are to blame for the war, upheaval and chaos in the ME.

Any excuse will do for Daesh.

[oberliner]

91. Actually Jews are less than 1/4th of 1 percent of the world's population

About 14 million.

Christians are 2.2 billion and Muslims are 1.6 billion.

[Igel]

65. "Fellow traveler" is a good word for this.

Dates back to post-Soviet-Revolutionary days. People who were not revolutionaries but expressed solidarity with, worked with, and supported the revolutionaries. Some were informants, some worked hard for the revolution, some would assist in revolutionary activities to the point of picking up weapons to fight.

So the Farooks were/are fellow-travelers with IS or affine groups.


Russian word was "sputnik." The Russian media source is a play on words--bouncing off of the satellite rah-rah we-were-first point-of-pride rhetoric from the '50s, aiming their "news" at fellow-travelers who agree with Russia's geopolitics and goals and even punning slightly about somebody who is a with-Putin-person (s-Putin-ik).

[TwilightGardener]

71. I feel fairly certain that mom, dad, and some people at Farook's mosque

kind of knew that Farook and his nut wife were planning something. I mean, mom lived with them and didn't notice all the pipe bombs lying around?

[proverbialwisdom]

72. LA Times Update

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/600/article/p2p-85209158/

8:53 P.M. (Dec 6)

Farook's father on Sunday told the Italian newspaper La Stampa that his son agreed with the ideology of Islamic State leaders and was "obsessed" with Israel. But a family representative said Sunday afternoon that the shooter's father did not recall the comments he made to the publication.

Hussam Ayloush, executive director of CAIR in the greater Los Angeles area, said the father, like the rest of the family, is "dealing with a lot of stress." Ayloush said that when he asked the father about the interview this morning, he said, "Which interview? ... I didn't speak to any media ... I didn't say any of that."

— Sarah Parvini

[CullenBohannon]

73. The scary part

is this guy wasn't even officially isis. Imagine what damage the trained terrorists could do....

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

76. "I kept telling him always: stay calm, be patient, in two years Israel will no longer exist,"

What's his DU screenname?

[leftynyc]

86. You can't imagine how much

I would like to fight you on this and tell you how wrong you were but I can't.

[cigsandcoffee]

89. Ouch. n/t

[24601]

90. If he had shared his concerns with the FBI, his son & daughter-in-law & 14 others might still be

alive.