Bernie Sanders just melted away a 30-point Hillary Clinton lead in a new poll

[Bubzer]

Source: Business Insider

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) closed a 30-point gap with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to virtually tie her in a new national survey published Friday.

The poll, from Quinnipiac University, found Clinton leading Sanders among national Democratic primary voters, 44% to 42%.

That was a wild swing from a mid-December Quinnipiac poll that found Clinton leading 61% to 30% nationally over Sanders.

"Democrats nationwide are feeling the Bern as Sen. Bernie Sanders closes a 31-point gap to tie Secretary Hillary Clinton," said Tim Malloy, the assistant director of the Quinnipiac poll.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-tie-quinnipiac-2016-2

---

The poll was released this morning. You can find the direct link here:
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2321

[TwilightGardener]

1. The polls will always tighten up as more people pay attention--

but for Bernie, he had to prove he's an electable candidate and a viable option to Clinton, and that's what Iowa did for him.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

12. Bernie is a beast... the revolution has started. Go Bernie!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[roguevalley]

24. nope ain't dope

[mrmpa]

98. I love Elizabeth Warren, as a Massacusetts born woman...........

now living in Pennsylvania, I consider her "my Senator". However she will be more important in the Senate, pushing President Sanders plans for this country.

Me thinks that Martin O'Malley may be the one for Sanders to tap.

[trillion]

160. Look, I liked O'malley. But lets not forget he also had super pacs.

[JDPriestly]

166. Something we of a certain generation learned from the assassination of JFK is that the vice

president is the president's insurance policy. The vice president should be a candidate less palpable to the oligarchs than the president himself.

Maybe Jesse Jackson? I'm joking a bit, but you understand what I mean.

O'Malley is a great guy but would be a poor choice for vice president because he would be more liked by the oligarchs than is Bernie.

We shall see who the vice president will be.

[nikto]

193. Excellent point and just common sense these days

Have you read the recent book by
David Talbot called, "The Devil's Chessboard"?

If not, it sounds like you are ready for it.


JMHO.

[HubertHeaver]

199. Do you mean

he should find a "Dan Quayle" type. Danno was always referred to as Bush's "assassination insurance".

[JDPriestly]

213. Someone who scares the kinds of people who are prone to assassinations.

[PatrynXX]

184. well he might get him only if to appease certain delegates

other than that. hey Hillary has some guy called Castro prepping to be her #2. O_O after throwing the Communist charge a name like that would be the last thing to pick

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

215. Elizabeth is far more valuable as Bernie's VP, both in terms of helpin him gettimg elected and serving her country...

Besides, Elizabeth with VP experience will be primed for a presidential run in 2024.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[former9thward]

218. She would be 75 in 2024.

Is the Democratic Party reduced to people who are near death to run as candidates?

[JackRiddler]

221. 75 is the new, uh, 65.

[reformist2]

79. That's more than a tightening, that's a landslide shift!

[Ed Suspicious]

2. This is why Clinton so desperately needs the narrative that she won Iowa.

[thereismore]

5. Well, she did. But Bernie had a genius moment when he said "virtual tie". And that is what people

took away from the IA contest.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

14. Bernie, the honest politician. Hillary on the other hand...

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Yeager29]

196. B & E FTW

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016 For The Win!!!!!

Dingdingdingding! We have a winner!!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

214. You know it!

[ejbr]

19. Even during last night's debate

he poo-pooed a recount as it would still be a virtual tie even if he came out on top. Smooth move.

[bigbrother05]

120. He supported the recount as an accountability/process issue and HRC had to go along

His discussion that one or two delegates either way wouldn't make much difference out of ~1500 total was a good perspective. HRC had to agree or sound like she thought the entire primary could swing on less than 5 delegates.

[7962]

121. It was. Showed he isnt a whiner

[trillion]

161. ? You do realize it was won by less than 1/2 a percent so they split the delegates and Hillary only

got one more, right?

[thereismore]

169. Of course. But I think she got 2 more, 23-21, no?

[Bubzer]

7. It's also why some have been pushing the notion that New Hampshire is a fringe liberal state...

So far, it hasn't found much traction.

[karynnj]

62. Even though as recently as 2000 and 2004, it was on the list of swing states

Though I have no poll to back it up, I suspect that there are more left libertarian than liberal in NH. It is not an upside down clone of VT.

[Bubzer]

85. Here's one..

http://www.270towin.com/states/New_Hampshire

[Beartracks]

136. Even here at DU, it's been called lily-white

Even here at DU, some have called New Hampshire voters too "lily-white" to reflect the values of real Democrats.

Why, no, that's not racist in the least.

=============

[trillion]

167. The importance of IOWA was mostly about the state being

the 2nd whitest state in the union. The idea was to see how Bernie did among the whites. The minorities have apparently been hoodwinked by Hillary. They actually are believing Obama care is better than single payer, even though the vast majority can't afford the deductible and Obama Care doesn't cover many people. When I was unemployed 2 years ago, I didn't qualify for it and couldn't afford to pay even 1 month of if while I was on unemployment. The deductible was something I would have had to sell my car to pay and I don't think that would have paid it.

[7962]

210. Never understood it. Iowa has only picked the eventual pres. 3 times in 35 yrs

They're wrong WAY more often than they're right

[trillion]

220. True. But there may be more to it when studying demographic.

Here's a July 2015 article I just found. It's food for thought.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/07/10/the-demographics-of-2016-look-brutal-for-republicans/

I think Iowa was that white population without a lot of degrees.

[merrily]

226. At one point, RW churches were moving people into NH to turn it red.

That's how purple it is.

IIRC , I saw that TV news story during the Bush years. (I live in Boston, so I often see NH stuff.)

[Helen Borg]

30. But she didn't, we'll find out in the end.

That is why the status quo Democrats in Iowa don't want to allow anyone to check things.

[CentralMass]

87. There is definitely a stench surrounding the vote count. I suggest that we adopt color coded ink

thumb dips of we can at least see who voted

[SamKnause]

3. Hooray !!!!!

FEEL THE BERN

[Plucketeer]

45. All those blasts!

That has to be what the collective heads at the DNC HQ look like......... ->

[Akicita]

76. Movement towards Bernie means MOMENTUM nationally. That is huge and with all of Hillary's perceived

problems with trust, honesty, emails, Iraq war vote, Libya, Wall Street, and sex abuse enabling this could be a turning point.
Go Bernie!

[Maeve]

4. Page not found eom

[Bubzer]

10. Link fixed! thanks!

[ForgoTheConsequence]

6. Awesome!

Unelectable my ass. Get on board or get left behind.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

40. Seriously... plenty of room left on the Bernie bandwagon! All aboard!... woot woot!!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[pinebox]

8. Fix your first link to this please

http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-tie-quinnipiac-2016-2

[Bubzer]

11. Just fixed it. Thanks!

[pinebox]

13. Anytime!

[bluedigger]

9. There's more than one way to "win" in Iowa.

[Android3.14]

32. That should be on a Bernie T-shirt

Well put.

[Live and Learn]

92. +10,000 nt

[Beartracks]

180. The whole "win" thing

Hillary's supporters were adamant about her "winning." But...

You don't win a caucus: you win delegates.

So, no one really "wins Iowa," but you might be able to use that term colloquially if someone wins ALL or most of the delegates -- which no one did.

And anyhow, making a big fuss about "winning Iowa" is sorta like saying the person leading a footrace 5 seconds out of the gate is "winning."

==============

[rhett o rick]

190. And you don't win a state, that is meaningless, you win delegates. Clinton was awarded 2 delegates

more than Sanders and that's being blown up as a huge victory. 2 national delegates is what she won.

[Beartracks]

225. Right.

I think people think of this as the first game of the World Series. In the Series, even the first game has a clear cut Winner, no matter how close the scores. The score of the losing team doesn't mean anything, the points don't roll into the next game, nothing. But in a political primary or caucus, the candidates ARE taking their scores -- the delegates -- with them into the next "game" so the "winning the state" or "winning the caucus" analogy is simply not accurate.

=================

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

15. This has to be a crushing blow to Hillary and her courtyard.

Go Bernie!!

[BlueCaliDem]

31. Sorry, but no. The majority called were called on cell phones and 70% White. Breakdown:

PARTY IDENTIFICATION QUESTION
WORDING
-
Generally speaking, do you consider yourself a
Republican, a Democrat, an Independent, or what?

REGISTERED VOTERS PARTY IDENTIFICATION
Republican 32%
Democrat 32
Independent
26
Other/DK/NA 9

PHONE DISTRIBUTION
Cell only 40%
Land Line only 6
Both, cmp from cell sample 16
Both, cmp from land sample 39

[font color="red"]RACE[/font]
White 70%
Black 13
Hispanic 9
Other/DK/NA 8

No doubt the polls will tighten, but in the end, Hillary Clinton will win the nomination, thanks to the minority vote.

[SunSeeker]

59. Wow. I knew something had to be off with that poll. nt

[BlueCaliDem]

72. They ignore these variables at their peril.

Oh well. Their disappointment, not mine.

Hi, SunSeeker!

[Jarqui]

60. % of Whites and Cell phones were not far off

Your numbers:

RACE
White 70%
Black 13
Hispanic 9
Other/DK/NA 8

2012 Vote
http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

RACE
White 72
Black 13
Hispanic 10
Other 5

Demographics are based on likely voters.

Chart you quoted:

PHONE DISTRIBUTION
Cell only 40%
Land Line only 6
Both, cmp from cell sample 16
Both, cmp from land sample 39

90% of Adults have cell phones as of 2014
http://www.pewinternet.org/fact-sheets/mobile-technology-fact-sheet/

41% of American homes are now wireless-only (July 2014) (within 1% of your chart)
http://time.com/2966515/landline-phones-cell-phones/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/08/two-of-every-five-u-s-households-have-only-wireless-phones/

When you compare the methods of the two polls
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/us/us12222015_demos_Uhkm63g.pdf
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/us/us02052016_demos_Ust53w.pdf
The number of whites goes from
74% in December, Clinton +31 down to
70% in February Clinton +2
- which should have helped Clinton

Sorry, the demographics/polling method does not explain the nearly 30 point shift. They're in fact pretty darn close to where they should be

[BlueCaliDem]

82. Apples to oranges. At issue is a TELEPHONE POLL. People say whatever. The breakdown you've

provided is an EXIT poll - after people actually voted and they can't lie re: race and Party.

What you're doing is a lot like comparing scientific polls to clickety-click polls.

So sorry. Your clear attempt at conflating two different polls disproves nothing.

[Jarqui]

90. Nonsense

When people vote, we do not ask them what their sex, race, etc is. You can only do so via an entrance or exit poll. Naturally, because it's a poll - a sampling of information - it's not going to be as accurate as counting all the votes in an election. So one can claim accuracy issues with an actual election and entrance/exit polls for obvious reasons. But those entrance/exit polls interview many thousands of people - many precincts, etc.

The bottom line is the margin of error for these exit/entrance polls is published as +/- 4% - a very similar margin of error as the Quinnipiac poll +/- 4.5%

So your blowing pure smoke. No substance.

[Live and Learn]

93. Polls only count when they break Hillary's way. Everybody knows this.

[BlueCaliDem]

95. Oh geez. When people vote, Exit pollsters SEE them, and voters are proud of how they voted.

They also can't hide their gender and race - and don't.

You were attempting to compare EXIT polling demographics to telephone polling demographics, hence my example that it's like comparing scientific polling to clickety-click polls. So that kills your argument right there.

I'm not the one blowing smoke here, Jarqui. You tried - and failed.

But you have a nice day!

[hack89]

94. That is the demographic distribution for the GE.

in the primaries it is a different demographic. POC have disproportionate impact on the primaries, especially in the South.

[nyabingi]

70. Don't make the mistake (like Hillary is obviously doing)

of taking the Black vote for granted. She made that mistake the last time she ran and we saw what happened.

With Hillary's past history of blatant racism and her support for actions that were harmful to Black people, she shouldn't be counting those chickens because Black folks will drop her like a bad habit if someone better comes along (i.e., Bernie).

[Live and Learn]

96. Exactly! POC have no blind allegiance to Clinton. Neither do women. nt

[left-of-center2012]

74. Polls showing Bernie doing well are wrong!

Polls showing Hillary doing well are correct!

[BlueCaliDem]

78. If that's your argument, so be it. It's not mine. Facts are facts.

[Jarqui]

83. What facts that you presented explain the 29% drop or that

the demographics are obscenely wrong in this recent poll?

[Live and Learn]

97. Yes they are, and the fact is, Bernie is nipping at Hillary's heels. nt

[BlueCaliDem]

99. But in the end, he will LOSE.

Prepare yourself.

[Live and Learn]

107. We all lose if Hillary wins the nomination. Prepare yourself. nt

[BlueCaliDem]

112. Hogwash. I was told the same thing about Obama. How did that work out?

Should, by some miracle, Bernie win the primaries AND the G.E., we'll have a Carter presidency redux: a one-term president who can't get anything done and who, inadvertently, harmed the Democratic Party brand - something President Obama has worked hard to change, and has.

For Sanders, that's not such a big deal. Remember, he's always been proud to NOT be a Democrat.

He'll be able to crow that he went from doing nothing until he was 40 years old and ended with becoming the 45th president of the United States, take his $200k lifetime income and all the perks that come with it, and say to the world, "Well, I was never a Democrat to begin with - and you all knew that - so why the teeth gnashing now?" I want to make sure he'll never be able to do that.

Remember these words spoken by your candidate:

“It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party.”

Yes, Senator Sanders, it would be.

[Live and Learn]

114. No, you weren't. Many Bernie supporters also supported Obama no matter how you try to spin it.

Any your meme about the party is tired and old. Many of us see vast needs for improvement in our party and are extremely happy to have Bernie help lead us back to the left.

Hillary was a bad choice in 2008 and she is a bad choice now!! Feel the Bern.

[BlueCaliDem]

139. O...kay.

Any your meme about the party is tired and old. Many of us see vast needs for improvement in our party and are extremely happy to have Bernie help lead us back to the left.

You sound scared. Don't be. Bernie's not going to become the 45th president of the United States, so no worries there. Hillary Clinton will. It's just basic math.

That said, the thing you've missed is this: change comes from the bottom up, not from the top down. Obama told us that, 'member? I mean, you should've heard it had you been paying attention.

You want change? You want to change the U.S. into a liberal utopia? Well, you're running out of time. Without a Congress friendly to Bernie, everything he's promising you is pie-in-the-sky. And yet...he has yet to raise money for down-ticket candidates, and this election cycle is the most important since there are 24 seats Republicans have to defend with 18 of them on shaky ground. If he wants a revolution, now's the time to do it. Get him to put his money where his loud mouth is: fund raise and recruit true Liberals to replace those "establishment congressional Dems". He hasn't, so it tells me he's not serious about the revolution he's selling you. Bernie is all hat, zero cattle.

Feel the Bern.

I had. But then I grew up and my crush was over within a month. I'm a realist, not an idealist. That's why I'm supporting Hillary Clinton. One bird in the hand is infinitely better than an army of rainbow-farting unicorns hiding in the bush.

[Live and Learn]

140. I think you missed the entire point of this OP.

Bernie is moving up and Hillary down. Feel the BERN!!!!

Change is coming from the bottom up and that is why Bernie is going to win!!!

That bird in the hand Hillary is offering will just fly away leaving you with nothing but bird turd in your hand. Sorry, but that is the truth!!

[trc]

133. This is what I fear as well

I love the ideas Bernie is putting forth, however I believe he thinks that having the best argument will win the day with Repubs and the general public...we have not seen that in the last 7 years, no evidence that that will change. National politics is an insider's game, even if it is just inside the party, and Bernie is proud to be outside the party and outside the beltway. So, if you believe that Bernie will just be able to force change through power of will, you will be disappointed. He would be an excellent president and I will vote for him if he gets the nomination because there is too much at stake to allow a repub to be pres. But I would do so with realistic expectations. All of this becomes less important if we regain the Senate then take back the House. So, at the end of the day, or election cycle, it is critical that you vote for a democrat even if it is not the dem you wanted.

[StandingInLeftField]

134. I can't believe i hadn't done this already!

Your debating skills are debatable.

Buh-Bye!

[trillion]

174. This person isn't debating. This person's mind is completely made up and complete inflexible.

We are arguing with people who have blind loyalty to a candidate and refuse to see that candidate's issues.

If you want scary blind loyalty, got to the top of Clinton Discussion forum on this site. I mean, they were mad that someone said that Obama should have his Nobel peace prize taken away for supporting torture and drones. And they called people who would demand his Nobel prize taken away as anti-democrat.

We have a divide and it's the people of blind loyalty who don't care about atrocities vs. the people who want to stop war, stop torture, regulate Wall Street and basically do everything the liberal dems would want.

We have people who do due diligence and check when they hear something the don't like about their candidate and we have people who refuse to do any diligence because they have blind loyalty. The links I post to back up my arguments have likely never been clicked on by the blind loyalty people.

Don't worry. You can't make the blind see, but you can see that the majority aren't blind when they find out. Few people are blind supporters on the Dem side. Thank God. I notice Hillary is trying to run on Bernie's platform and manufacture a history of that platform behind her while pretending her real actions don't exist. That she's using Bernies platform is proof that even the blind supporters want to be told the right stuff. This is because we are moving the Dem party in the right direction.

[BlueCaliDem]

202. Bwaaaahahahaha! Project much, trillion?

[trillion]

205. No, actually I don't. I make it a point to keep checking Bernie on stuff.

The other person was very right when they ignored you. Welcome to my ignore.

[trillion]

173. Ask the dead children of Iraq and Afghanistan and the dead men who died from water boarding in

Guantanamo while he was President.

Look, blind allegiance to any president or country stops people from thinking clearly.

There are all kinds of problems with Obama. He is better than anyone the Repubs could come up with.
BUT, his war policy, torture policy, and TPP policy are all very very bad. And, I mean he belongs in prison with the rest of them for these. Let's not only call it bad when an Republican does it.

And it's not Anti-Democrat to be intelligent enough to know that. We're supposed to be the intelligent party who can handle depth and use reason. We're not supposed to be blind supporters. After that your opinion on Bernie sounds like simple vitirol. I'm guessing you're black and white and in your complete support for Hillary you refuse to see problems with her and count Bernie as all bad in every way you can grab. That's what you basically just posted telling me.

Just saying. You could do better.

[cui bono]

137. Can you please provide your Psychic credentials? Past record of correct psychic predictions?

Thanks!



.

[BlueCaliDem]

150. Monmouth poll from January 19, 2016. Don't need to be a psychic to read, cui.

Do you?

[Gore1FL]

100. To paraphrase someone, "You ignore these variables at your peril."

[BlueCaliDem]

101. Yah, but when I said it, it's true. Unless you Berners can provide to me a poll

that shows Bernie's won the lion's share of minority support, I'll just stick to MY variables, thank you very much.

One telephone poll does not a won election make.

[Gore1FL]

102. And ignore likely voters and census data!

Please proceed, governor!

[BlueCaliDem]

105. Polls schmolls. Unless it's exit polling, I'll keep my powder dry and I suggest you do the same.

[Gore1FL]

143. That's quite a different argument than you started with. n/t

[BlueCaliDem]

149. Is it really?

[Gore1FL]

172. Yes. Very.

[Fairgo]

175. squid wrestling

hard to pin down... lots of ink dispersed as a smoke screen.

[Live and Learn]

108. Unless you can prove that Hillary can actually get the POC she does manage to retain

actually out to vote, your stats mean nothing. Those that don't yet know Bernie (and yes, there are vast numbers of people that don't pay any attention to politics) may still claim Hillary but they are not excited about her and it takes excitement to get people to the polls.

[trillion]

171. I don't think he was saying that was his argument.

[7962]

122. The racial breakdown is nearly the same as the country, so it shouldnt be a factor

Blacks ARE 13-14% of the population; whites about 65%. Hispanics were under represented by about 8%

[BlueCaliDem]

125. Comparing phone polls to EXIT polls is where the problem lies here.

[7962]

128. But exit polls are done on voting day. Phone polls are all we've got right now.

They've always done it tis way, so unless something is strangely different then these results have to be taken as seriously as any in the past

[BlueCaliDem]

131. A single poll result does not the truth make.

I'm keeping my powder dry until there are other polls showing similar results. I suggest you do the same.

[gyroscope]

127. Are you trying to imply older people don't have cell phones?

that's a rather ridiculous assumption to make.

Cell phones are much more representativeof the demographic than landlines.
Many people don't have landlines, but everyone has a cellphone these days.

[BlueCaliDem]

147. No. That's a ridiculous assumption for YOU to make. eom

[gyroscope]

212. Then why are you complaining about cell phones?

"Sorry, but no. The majority called were called on cell phones "

[BlueCaliDem]

219. I wasn't complaining. That's what you make of it.

I was pointing out a fact straight from the poll itself.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

144. The minority vote? Good luck with that.

[BlueCaliDem]

148. She's gone from 61% to 71% since last month. But thanks for your concern.

[trillion]

179. Wow, and if you're for everything she says she's for right now, you should be very upset about that.

[mhatrw]

158. Do you know anyone who answers their landline? nt

[BlueCaliDem]

159. No. And why should that matter? What does that have to do with my post? eom

[yeoman6987]

33. That's not how the primary works

Hillary will be fine. She needs to tighten up the numbers in NH. Once she gets to SC, she needs to keep the lead. And the Super Tuesday which she may win majority.

[BlueCaliDem]

42. I see a March SWEEPS for Hillary Clinton when she sweeps all the delegates

as she heads for the G.E.

[yeoman6987]

46. I do too

Of course it's going to tighten but Hillary will prevail. I'm cool with it being a tough primary. It made Obama a better nominee.

[BlueCaliDem]

48. A better nominee and a once in a lifetime president - UE is now at 4.9%! Lowest since FDR!

[yeoman6987]

52. True! A wonderful president

Hillary is smart to run the campaign as third term.

[BlueCaliDem]

55. Exactly! And it pisses the pro-GOP media to no end that she hasn't run

from that strategy, but has embraced it. Republicans need to defend 24 Senate seats this cycle, with 18 very weak for them. We need to get a Democrat at the helm who'll help the Party win as many of those 24 seats as possible. A third Obama term will do that.

[yeoman6987]

57. 100 percent true. November will be very good for the Democratic Party. Yeah!

[Live and Learn]

106. All is sunshine and roses. Or is it? Why are so many stilll unhappy?

Could it be that .01 percent still getting all the wealth?

Could it be those jobs created pay nothing?

Could it be those unemployment figures leave an awful lot of people out?

Could it be all those graduates in deep debt?

Could it be our still exploding prison populations?

Could it be our ridiculous number of homeless on the streets?

Could it be our still increasing number of children living in poverty?

Could it be the over 50% of young black men without jobs?

Could it be the high percentage of people that still can't afford proper health care?

[BlueCaliDem]

130. ...

[font color="red" size="14"]DOOM-GLOOM! GLOOM-DOOM!![/font]

[Live and Learn]

132. ...

CAN'T DO! CAN'T DO! CAN'T DO! CAN'T DO! CAN'T DO! CAN'T DO! CAN'T DO!

[trillion]

181. Are you saying what that poster says ISN'T true?

Why do you think 1/2 of Dems feel that is entirely true, even though you don't?

Is this going to be like the Republicans who dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with them as "Dems just hate America" because I'm beginning to sense that may be the level you are going on.

Perhaps half the Dems, just aren't actually Dems? I mean please, clarify who do you think the Bernie supporters are?

And what is your opinion of all those college professors and college students supporting him?

And how about the 70 percent of the youth vote that Hillary didn't get?

Why ever do you think that happened?

[7962]

123. Huh? Where did you get your numbers from?

Assuming by "UE" means unemployment rate, you're way off on the stats. If thats NOT what you're referring to, then I apologize!

[BlueCaliDem]

152. You assumed correctly. Unemployment rate at 4.9%,

literally the most significant eight year economic recovery in U.S. history - bigger than FDR's. And I'm not way off the stats so apology accepted.

[7962]

191. Then you WERE wrong. You said "lowest since FDR". It was lower under Clinton & W.

As well as a number of others since FDR
Maybe you meant to say the fastest 8 yr recovery since FDR, but that wasnt in your original post.
Its all semantics anyway; these figures havent been a true picture for decades now. You cant have full employment (5% is considered full) & at the same time a record number of people not working!

[BlueCaliDem]

192. I'm happy I made your day.

[7962]

200. Hey, I'm always happy to help straighten things out!

[BlueCaliDem]

201. I wouldn't go that far, but if it helps make you're night, run with it.

[7962]

208. I blame my mom, she always wanted me to be accurate

It carried over to adulthood.
Similar to correcting all the Facebook memes that have inaccurate or false quotes, or inaccurate figures on taxes, etc.
I just tell them "Google is your friend!"

[Plucketeer]

49. Hillary's campaign

come March ----->

[BlueCaliDem]

50. ...

You Berners crack me up!

[SoLeftIAmRight]

51. "I see..." "I see..." Well -

If you see the winning lotto ticket numbers - send them to me

[BlueCaliDem]

53. Sorry. My crystal ball is in the shop for repairs. But my eyesight is just fine!

How is Bernie doing with Black and Latino voters, by the way?

[arlington.mass]

58. Tired of hearing this line

I would like one HRC supporter to explain to me why Hillary does better with minority voters

What about her policy positions and record resonate well with minorities?

[nyabingi]

75. I'll tell you...nothing

Hillary's scooting by right now mostly on name recognition, and that's it.

These Hillary supporters can't tell you why she's doing better with Black people right now because they know she hasn't done anything positive and has nothing to brag about. Hillary's history of racism and pushing harmful legislation is not being used by Bernie's campaign and it should be.

The general view for many Black people (my parents included) is that Hillary is a good, decent person - until you start reeling off the bad shit that she said about Black people and the bad laws she supported that have hurt Black people. I've seen many eyebrows furrow and many "She did what?" statements after that.

The myth that she and her husband her been allies to Black Americans needs to end, especially before she benefits politically from it.

[Live and Learn]

110. + a gazillion. nt

[AlbertCat]

77. What about her policy positions and record resonate well with minorities?

B-b-but.... her name is Clinton....

[BlueCaliDem]

89. I bet you are.

I would like one HRC supporter to explain to me why Hillary does better with minority voters

Poll after poll after poll after poll show that minorities prefer Hillary Clinton over Bernie for different reasons, but mostly because she's never called to primary our first Black president and she voted YEA not NAY on the 2007 comprehensive immigration reform act that included an early version of the DREAMact.

You should ask yourself why the majority of the CBC stand behind Hillary; why the majority of U.S. Senate Democrats stand behind Hillary; and why the majority of Dem governors, both now and past governors, stand behind Hillary. That doesn't say much about the candidate when his own colleagues that he's known and worked with for 25+ years won't support him.

What about her policy positions and record resonate well with minorities?

The majority of minorities don't go as deep into policy that don't interest them, like free college for all and wiping away student debt. These aren't issues that are important to them when they pay attention to elections and candidates. Voting is personal to them. When you vote for and tout policies that harm them or theirs, you won't get their vote. Period.

[Live and Learn]

111. ROFL Do we need to rehash the list of Hillary's vile quotes about Obama? Really?

And minorities aren't interested in education and debt? Seriously????

I don't know who you are speaking of but it certainly isn't the majority of people of any color.

[BlueCaliDem]

119. ROFL Do we need to rehash all the vile votes Sanders cast that minorities believe are unforgiveable?

And minorities aren't interested in education and debt? Seriously????

You have problems with reading comprehension, don't you? I suggest you reread my post in context and avoid kneejerk responses.

I don't know who you are speaking of but it certainly isn't the majority of people of any color.

Then Bernie and I have something in common, don't we?

Bah-dum-psh.

[Live and Learn]

126. Perhaps you need to reread your post because that is what you said.

Vile votes from Bernie? Hogwash.

The Clinton's are the ones responsible for the high prison incarceration rates. Bill Clinton signed that bill, no matter how you try to spin it.

They crowed about their welfare reform plan that throws people onto the streets after 5 years of minimal help.

And Hilary voted to send people (and a whole lot of minorities) in to an illegal, immoral war.

Hillary hangs out with CEO's, not minorities.

And you have the nerve to pretend that POC like these policies?

I suggest you buy a new drum set because the one you are playing has a dead beat.

[BlueCaliDem]

135. I know what I wrote. Don't need to reread, but you clearly do.

Vile votes from Bernie? Hogwash.

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that - and wonder what happened come March.

The Clinton's are the ones responsible for the high prison incarceration rates. Bill Clinton signed that bill, no matter how you try to spin it.

And Bernie VOTED FOR it no matter how badly you'd like to ignore it. Ouch.

They crowed about their welfare reform plan that throws people onto the streets after 5 years of minimal help.

And what has Bernie put forward to change that? I tell you: NADA.

And Hilary voted to send people (and a whole lot of minorities) in to an illegal, immoral war.

So did Bernie. Or have you conveniently forgotten his YEA vote for the 2001 AUMF Against Terrorists that gave Bush a blank check, without any preconditions, to launch war on anyone HE believes are harboring, training, funding terrorists?

Hillary hangs out with CEO's, not minorities.

More Berner hogwash.

And you have the nerve to pretend that POC like these policies?

Do I? Or do I look at the hard numbers, for instance, that her polling numbers have RISEN in a month's time with Blacks and Latinos, from 61 to 71%? How's Bernie doing?

I suggest you buy a new drum set because the one you are playing has a dead beat.

Naw. It's working perfectly - but not with tone deaf people.
bah-dum-psh!

[Live and Learn]

138. True, Bernie voted for a CLINTON bill and he does regret that.

Bernie has put plenty of bills forward and always votes to help people. Claiming he doesn't is pure vile bull crap.

Hillary does hang out with CEO's and there are plenty of pictures to prove it.

Got a link for your stats? 61% to 71%? I certainly haven't seen any such thing and I don't believe it.

I think maybe the person that has been banging away is the one suffering a hearing loss.

Your animosity toward Bernie is noted but one really has to wonder why you want to hurt such a decent human being. Then again you dissed Carter too. It leads one to wonder what your priorities actually are.

[BlueCaliDem]

146. Yeah, hindsight being 20/20 and all. I hope you'll accept Hillary's apology for the 2002 vote

for the AUMF Against Iraq. Something tells me you might not be so forgiving as you expect me to be.

Hillary does hang out with CEO's and there are plenty of pictures to prove it.

So does Bernie. Pictures are snaps of moments in time, and you can make what you will out of them - and, apparently, you do.

Got a link for your stats? 61% to 71%? I certainly haven't seen any such thing and I don't believe it.

Of course you haven't seen it, because you don't read my posts to you. There's a link there, and although I know you're sealioning at the moment, I'll indulge you. Here: http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/4d7b2106-b632-4b79-a6ed-7afc73902d4c.pdf

However, Clinton has held onto high levels of support from two crucial groups. Voters over
the age of 50, who make up the lion’s share of the actual primary electorate, continue to support her over
Sanders by a substantial 64% – 24% margin, similar to her 67% – 16% lead among this group in
December. Furthermore, black and Latino voters, who will comprise a large share of the vote in South
Carolina and Nevada as well as in many Super Tuesday states, solidly support her by a 71% – 21%
margin, which is actually an increase over her 61% – 18% lead last month.

Believe it now?

Your animosity toward Bernie is noted

And your assessment is WRONG.

but one really has to wonder why you want to hurt such a decent human being.

So now pointing out my reasons for not supporting him is an attempt to hurt him? Wow.

Then again you dissed Carter too.

Wrong again.

It leads one to wonder what your priorities actually are.

My priorities are clear: to prevent the dismantling of all the hard work President Obama has accomplished; to strengthen not weaken the Democratic Party brand; to ensure a Democrat gets into the White House come January 20, 2017 for another eight years; to get more Democrats into the Senate and House; to ensure good policies that we Californians enjoy today under Democratic Party leadership with minimal input from Republicans; to ensure that a Democrat will choose our next four to five Supreme Court justices. I don't see Sanders accomplishing any of that, that's why I support Hillary Clinton. She can.

[Live and Learn]

155. You failed to mention that Bernie aso gained minority votes in that poll which you never disclosed

to me previously. And Bernie has continued his upward climb since that poll while Hillary's is declining.

Bernie does not hang out with CEO's, that is a lie. But Hillary does. Check this out: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511149562

You did dis Carter:

Should, by some miracle, Bernie win the primaries AND the G.E., we'll have a Carter presidency redux: a one-term president who can't get anything done and who, inadvertently, harmed the Democratic Party brand - something President Obama has worked hard to change, and has.

Your animosity toward Bernie is clear to anyone that has read your posts.

Bernie NEVER claimed to want to dismantle Obama's accomplishments. That is simply more hogwash. Bernie wants to BUILD on those accomplishments and bring REAL change!

Hillary claims herself that she "Can't Do" a damn thing!!

[BlueCaliDem]

157. So? Is it at least close enough for him to overcome her advantage? Nope.

Bernie hangs out with powerful executives (maybe not CEO's but VPs are as powerful), too, only, his votes clearly reflect in favor of that relationship.

Maybe it's news to you, but if you dare, please read this eyeopening piece of Bernie's connections with Lockheed Martin and the F-35 Pentagon boondoggle that's already cost taxpayers in excess of $1.5 trillion dollars.
Lockheed in Vermont: Sanders’ Corporate Conundrum

You did dis Carter:

If that's how you want to read it.

Your animosity toward Bernie is clear to anyone that has read your posts.

If that's how you choose to read them.

Bernie wants to BUILD on those accomplishments and bring REAL change!

Sure he does. It's antithetical to his cry for a revolution!

Hillary claims herself that she "Can't Do" a damn thing!!

Your penchant for misreading people and twisting their words is tiresome and really a problem you should work on.

[mhatrw]

162. "None of those are exit polls. I'll keep my powder dry and wait for those."

Typical Hillary supporter.

Polls are bad except when they are not. And people who vote against their own self-interest are good just as long they pledge allegiance to Clinton.

[BlueCaliDem]

164. Taking remarks out of context to fit your anti-Hillary narrative

is not only juvenile, but typical of a staunch Bernie supporter. Were I not convinced of your prejudice against Hillary Clinton - and my being a supporter of her who may or may not take that personally - I'd be inclined to rehash the entire subthread of conversation in easily-digestible sound bites for you. But why should I bother now? The thread is there. If you're more interested in reading why I came to that conclusion, read the entire subthread. If you're only interested in framing an anti-Hillary narrative to make yourself feel good about your candidate, all I can say is, I'm happy I didn't waste my time.

[arlington.mass]

182. I feel that there is a subtle form of racism at play with the claim

Well, all those smarty pant white folks might like Bernie, but we know all those uninformed blacks and hispanics willl still fall for Hillary's schtick

[ChairmanAgnostic]

16. it needed thawing out.

She must be feeling the Bern

[Jefferson23]

17. My street fighting man is doing just fine. K&R for the win. Travel to NH these next few days if you

can

[SoapBox]

18. Every minute of every day...Americans learn about Bernie's common sense and

very mainstream message.

He is the only one that is honest, trustworthy, consistent and authentic in support of the 99%.

Go Bernie!

[Paladin]

20. Do we really want a repeat of McGovern 1972?

Why so much enthusiasm for the Republicans' favorite Democratic candidate? I've seen this movie before, and I didn't like it.

[ejbr]

22. While you're at it,

can I get tonight's lotto numbers?

[Kalidurga]

39. you should ask for the lotto numbers from 1972

that crystal ball only works for hindsight.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

26. Why so little for Hillary?

That's what you should be asking about your candidate.

[Bubzer]

28. Sorry, I'm not buying your bridge to nowhere.

[Zorra]

34. For some reason, you fail to mention Gore 2000 and Kerry 2004.

McGovern's loss was 44yrs ago.

[Paladin]

64. Yeah, it was 44 years ago. And it's still painful to recall.

As good a candidate as George McGovern was, he was the candidate that Nixon wanted to run against; the election results speak for themselves. Gore and Kerry aren't apt comparisons. And here we go again: the Republicans have a chance to face off against an independent socialist, or a Democrat with impeccable experience---and guess which one they're angling to campaign against. Pardon the hell out of me for not wanting history to repeat itself, by allowing Marco Rubio to end up in the White House---Marco Rubio, if we're lucky.....

[Maedhros]

81. This bullshit meme that by nominating Bernie we are ALLOWING a Republican to take the White House

needs to be taken out behind the woodshed and flogged.

By nominating Hillary, we would be ALLOWING the Third Way triangulating warmongers to tighten their stranglehold on the Democratic Party. I don't want that.

[Plucketeer]

54. Consider her qualifications -----

She knows her way around the White House much better than Bernie. She's blessed with a fresh sort of plumbing for the Oval Office AND..... it's HER turn.

[fbc]

66. c'mon, is this even a serious post?!

I, like most Americans, do not know what it was like growing up in the thick of the Cold War and the McCarthy era, but times change.

[Paladin]

91. So you're questioning if my post is serious, because I'm 65 years old and I have a good memory?

I cast my first presidential vote for George McGovern, and then I watched as Nixon and Kissinger extended the Viet Nam war for political purposes, with thousands of additional lives lost. 1972 isn't ancient history, believe me. And if Bernie Sanders gets the nod for presidential candidate, your knowledge of 1972 will get a dramatic and tragic boost.

[fbc]

145. No I'm questioning it because

You surely have to realize that most people alive do not share your remembrance of a time when republicans could red bait their way to victory in a national election. This is 2016. Joe McCarthy has been dead for 60 years.

[Paladin]

227. And yet there was Chris Chris Christie on MSNBC just yesterday.....

....braying that Hillary Clinton would be the Democratic nominee, simply because God didn't love the Republicans enough to bless them with a baggage-laden opponent like Bernie Sanders.

I hope you don't have to learn your history lessons the hard way.

[frylock]

68. Tired, stale argument.

[Lordquinton]

73. You're right, they would love to run against Hillary

All the polls show Sanders completely trashing any republican candidate, and those were before Iowa.

[hifiguy]

104. They have 25 years of oppo research on HRH

and there will be more skeletons rattling out of the closet in the next couple of months. They cannot WAIT to run against her but they have no sane candidates. If they did, the problems would be even more glaringly obvious. Her unfavorables with independents are already stratospheric.

[mhatrw]

163. You saw that movie 44 years ago.

You know, back when most movie theaters were banning "Last Tango in Paris."

[Paladin]

228. You don't do arrogance very well.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

George Santayana

[Odin2005]

188. It is not 1972 and Sanders is not McGovern.

McGovern lost because he scared away socially conservative blue collar voters, those people are now staunch Republicans and will never vote for a Democratic candidate, anyway.

[JackRiddler]

224. You think Clinton would do that badly?

No, I'm sure it would be a squeaker of a loss for her. But you're right, another reason to back Sanders.

[hifiguy]

21. The Inevitable Clintanic has been

holed beneath the water line.

[Art_from_Ark]

47. Time to start bailing!

[HubertHeaver]

203. That happened at the first debate last fall.

She's been listing to starboard ever since.

[hifiguy]

204. Coming soon. . .

[HubertHeaver]

211. I think a single follow-up question last night would

brought that to pass on national tv.

[ericson00]

23. OUTLIER

given that no other polls in recent days have such a result. QU always has anti-Clinton skew.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

25. Unless it shows Clinton with a commanding lead.

Then it's gospel. Just like the NYT.

[Iggo]

61. Clinton 61, Sanders 30, was an anti-Clinton skew?

[fbc]

69. yes, you're right

At this point, this poll is a huge outlier.

But that doesn't mean we can't celebrate!!!!

[NCjack]

27. That is great news! Vote Bernie2016. /nt

[BlueCaliDem]

29. "A wild swing" = outlier. NO WAY do I believe this poll is anything but an outlier, and Bernie

supporters should be cautious and wary of it, as well, lest they find a huge disappointment come March.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

37. "This doesn't support my premise so it's wrong"

I love it.

[BlueCaliDem]

38. No. It's based on all polls showing Bernie can't make minority voters "feel the Bern".

Again, be cautious.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

41. That was yesterdays premise.

Things are changing, people don't like Hillary. Get on board, it's going to be a fun ride.

[BlueCaliDem]

44. All right. Don't say you weren't warned.

[Live and Learn]

115. You really should start hitting the streets for Hillary because

we have been in SoCal for Bernie and the minorities I talk to are turning to Bernie in droves.

They don't want more poverty and imprisonment.

They do want education instead of incarceration and decent paying jobs. They do want a redistribution of wealth. And they want a justice and economic system that is fair and equitable.

[BlueCaliDem]

124. I have and do. So stop assuming (which you do a LOT, btw).

And MY anecdotal experiences are 100% contrary to yours. Fancy that.

Not saying that they don't want better education and less incarceration (and thanks to a moderate Dem, Jerry Brown, and our moderate legislature whose members know how to play well with others - unlike Bernie - that's what's happening in our great State), but he still isn't getting them to "feeltheBern". In fact, he's losing them.

From CSMonitor Jan. 26, 2016:

New York — With just a week before the first votes are cast in the 2016 United States presidential election, black voters have yet to #feelthebern and embrace Bernie Sanders’s liberal vision for the country.

And while the Vermont senator could upset former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in the first two Democratic contests, in mostly white Iowa and New Hampshire, black voters could quickly stop the momentum of the self-described democratic socialist once the election heads to the South, many observers say. Yet even as some black thinkers and the young protesters of Black Lives Matter remain unimpressed with Sanders, experts say this doesn’t fully explain why black voters are increasingly putting their support behind Mrs. Clinton.

**snip**

While Clinton has seen her support fall among almost all Democratic constituencies this past month, that has not been the case among black and Latino Democratic voters. In January, their support for Clinton jumped to 71 percent, according to a Monmouth University poll released last week, up from 61 percent in December.

A lot of this support, many say, is simply that black voters know both Hillary and Bill Clinton well after more than two decades on the national political scene.

And remember, we Californians don't get to vote till June 7th! And before Bernie can get to California he's got to go through the South where his chances are next to nil. I don't see a path to victory for him after March, though. But you keep the dream!

[Live and Learn]

129. Funny, I have yet to see any Hillary supporters on the streets.

Are you doing so undercover in a Bernie t-shirt?

What part of SoCal are you doing so in, Beverly Hills?

[fbc]

71. They did not say wrong, they said outlier.

At this point it is an outlier. It's a huge outlier.

Let's hope more polls show similar results and then it won't be an outlier anymore.

[TIME TO PANIC]

35. Excellent!

[frylock]

36. Good. Night. Now.

[AzDar]

43. Bernie!!

[WillyT]

56. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[fbc]

63. Wow! It's happening even faster that I expected!

[rocktivity]

65. Time to take this out of the mothballs

rocktivity

[trillion]

206. Considering who the Dems are up against, I think you should send that to the other side to use.

[restorefreedom]

67. cautiously optimistic

i don!t tend to trust polls as a general rule, and especially this cycle they seem to be missing something.

that said, the trend is clearly bernie going up and hillary dropping.

which is great!

[randys1]

80. LBN (might be safe to post here) If both campaigns and ESPECIALLY their SUPPORTERS

would see this as good news for the PARTY , that drawing this much attention to BOTH candidates is VERY important and good and helpful, maybe we can win this god damn election.

That maybe the closer the race gets the more attention goes to the good guys, so to speak, guys and gals, and NOT Donald Trump or whoever.

[GoneOffShore]

84. Exactly - but the further Bernie pulls ahead, the happier I am.

[blackspade]

86. I wonder if there was a change in their methodology?

If not, that is a huge sea change to the political structure of the election.

[Matariki]

88. No wonder they wanted to bury the debates on the weekends.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

103. Of little consequence. No Democratic Party candidate can win without a sizeable segment of the

black electorate. Sanders was expected to win handily in lily-white IA and NH.

Let's see how he performs when faced with a more diverse electorate.

[Arugula Latte]

116. On the other hand, Oregon is pretty lily white and in 2008

we were a huge Obama-over-Hillary state.



(Point being, it's difficult to draw conclusions and predict voting from skin color.)

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

118. Of course. IA the same. Lily white. But Bernie is not connecting with black people like Obama did.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

195. GW won twice. I didn't know he had the black vote.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

197. PLEASE READ!!! No ***DEMOCRATIC PARTY CANDIDATE*** can win the primary without

a sizeable segment of the black population.

You know what hell I'm talking about.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

198. I don't agree. Thanks for playing.

[forest444]

109. Of course the lead MELTED away: it felt the BERN!

[itcfish]

113. Celebrating?

Yes, you have just handed the WH to Trump or Cruz. We are our own worse enemy.

[Live and Learn]

117. Bull crap. nt

[totodeinhere]

141. The Clinton campaign talking point that says we have to nominate her because she is the only one who

is electable is getting very tiresome. And it's a lie.

[scipan]

151. who does better in the general: from the poll

3) 2016 General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
Asked of 1,125 registered voters
Hillary Clinton (D) 46%
Donald Trump (R) 41%
Wouldn't Vote 7%
Other 3%
Undecided 3%

4) 2016 General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton
Asked of 1,125 registered voters
Hillary Clinton (D) 45%
Ted Cruz (R) 45%
Wouldn't Vote 5%
Other 2%
Undecided 3%

5) 2016 General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton
Asked of 1,125 registered voters
Hillary Clinton (D) 41%
Marco Rubio (R) 48%
Wouldn't Vote 4%
Other 2%
Undecided 4%

6) 2016 General Election: Trump vs. Sanders
Asked of 1,125 registered voters
Bernie Sanders (D) 49%
Donald Trump (R) 39%
Wouldn't Vote 6%
Other 2%
Undecided 5%

7) 2016 General Election: Cruz vs. Sanders
Asked of 1,125 registered voters
Ted Cruz (R) 42%
Bernie Sanders (D) 46%
Wouldn't Vote 5%
Other 1%
Undecided 6%

8) 2016 General Election: Rubio vs. Sanders
Asked of 1,125 registered voters
Marco Rubio (R) 43%
Bernie Sanders (D) 43%
Wouldn't vote 5%
Other 1%
Undecided 8%

[mhatrw]

165. But, but, but, the talking heads all told me he was unelectable!!!!

even though she is

[totodeinhere]

142. A flat out statistical tie. n/t

[PeteSelman]

153. The more exposure his message gets, the more people like him.

He has the right message. Flat out, no holds barred, old school FDR style DEMOCRATIC politics.

No third way, republican light horseshit.

I love it.

[CharlotteVale]

154. K&R

[totodeinhere]

156. Here is my prediction. Bernie will win New Hampshire big, then go on to narrowly lose

South Carolina by a much smaller margin than many of the pundits think. And he will get a higher proportion of votes from African Americans than many think will happen. Then he will go on to upset Clinton in Nevada. That is if the Clinton campaign doesn't get away with any monkey business like they did in Iowa.

[lovuian]

168. Saw this coming

Americans are not afraid of the word Socialist.....the old generation during the McCarthy days were scared
but not the younger generation of today

[SheilaT]

170. Wait just a minute here!

We were assured by oh, so many people, pundits, and Hillary supporters back in August and September that Bernie had definitely peaked, he was an amusing old man, sort of like a favorite uncle you only get to see on the High Holy Days, but of course he was not going to stand in the way of Hillary Inevitability.

What in the world happened? Could it be that as the election cycle moves forward people are actually listening to what he says? So they discover he's been consistently liberal in his stands from the very beginning? And that they're likewise listening to what Hillary says, and notice that she changes her stands on the issues pretty regularly? Or that a lot of her accomplishments involve protecting the 1% and waging real, literal war on women and children?

Hmmm. Who'd'a thunk it?

[Live and Learn]

176. And another kick! nt

[Yeager29]

177. I'm part of that poll

The more I hear from her the less I like her. Loud, shrill and demeaning. A hypocrite in everything she does. The total opposite of Bernie.

[trillion]

183. hahahah. Lately she's been trying to BE Bernie - in what she says she supports anyway.

[Live and Learn]

178. 4700 Views, wow. nt

[Amimnoch]

185. So, does this mean that polls aren't corporate paid for propaganda?

Or, business insider is not a Oligarchy shill piece?

Most interesting how the rhetoric changes.

Congrats to the Senator. This poll is a sign that he's gaining a lot of momentum.

Rather than follow the lead of some, I won't sit here and make ridiculous excuses just because the results don't favor the candidate of my choice.

[scipan]

194. nice to see some maturity

As a Bernie supporter I will admit in turn that this is just one poll. We need to see about 3 showing the same thing.

[Fearless]

186. Now the fun begins!

[Odin2005]

187. The coronation has been postponed until further notice!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

217. LOL!

[warrprayer]

189. GO BERNIE!

Bhwahahahaha!!!!!

[Gorgatron]

207. Love it, just love it, still a long race tho and I'm going to do what I can to swing it more

Bernie's way.

Either way, we need to turn the vote out in the general, I have some work to do with my peers who say that they will not vote if it's Hillary.

[youceyec]

209. PPP shows 21 pt Clinton lead

Over same time period, save one day.

Which makes more sense?

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_20416.pdf

[JackRiddler]

222. Who cares which makes more sense?

Poll-watching in primary elections is little better than bingo, or pron for politicos. Its only use is as a momentum builder, which is why everyone here is all blah-blah about them around the clock. A "respectable" pollster putting Sanders even is good for Sanders, others still giving a lead to Clinton barely register.

[truebluegreen]

216. Too short a timeline: more like a 60 point lead.

DWS and HRC were right: exposure to the light of day was not a good thing for them.

[avaistheone1]

223. Holy smokes. I feel the power surge.

I feel the burn.

K&R