Rep. Duncan Hunter vapes during hearing
Source: CNN
On Thursday, he opened his argument to allow the practice on flights by inhaling a load of e-juices.
"So this is called a vaporizer," Hunter said as his neighbor tried (literally) to clear the air. "There's no combustion, there are no carcinogens ... there is no burning, there is nothing noxious about this whatsoever."
The gesture drew some snickers from the gallery, but failed to win the support of Hunter's colleagues on the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, which was marking up its Aviation Innovation, Reform, and Reauthorization (AIRR) Act.
Vaping, which is currently forbidden by most major airlines anyway, looks set for a federal restriction.
Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/politics/duncan-hunter-vaping-congressman-plane-amendment/
Loser.
My message to Hunter - Look jerk, I don't care what that stuff is your messing with, I don't feel like breathing it in while on a plane.
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SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Him doing that and talking on a cell phone...my worst nightmare on an aircraft.
Hell no...to both (if the use of cells ever comes up again).
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)These fucking things stink, and I don't even want to think about a dozen different 'flavors' mixing in a flying tube with thin air to begin with!
Put it where the sun don't shine!
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Same with my hookah.
I have more issues sitting next to some guy who hasn't showered in a month than someone vaping on a plane. You're "smoking" water vapor flavored.
My e-juice inventory now is blackcurrant, honeydew, pineapple, strawberry cheesecake and berries and cream. When I blow it out, the room smells like the flavor I am smoking.
Same with my hookah, but I am not going to pull out my three foot hookah pipe on a plane.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)And that is ALL THAT MATTERS.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)I'm tired of this crap. These are same people who scream to end the drug war but want tobacco pretty much outlawed.
Personal choice is personal choice.
Their little kid's screaming on the plane is giving me a headache. Make a law outlawing that. I'm sitting next to someone with BO for six hours on a plane. Outlaw that.
Vaping is water vapor. It's WATER!! You're "smoking" steam.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Chemicals Tied To 'Popcorn Lung' Disease Are Also Widely Found In Flavored Electronic Cigarettes
Dec 8, 2015 12:00 AM By Ed Cara
The next hit off your flavored electronic cigarette will likely come with a dose of a flavoring compound suspected of causing respiratory problems, according to new research published Tuesday in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives.
Scientists from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, building on earlier research, decided to test for the presence of diacetyl and two related chemicals, acetoin and 2,3-pentanedione, in 51 brands of flavored e-cigarettes and refill liquids, finding that more than 90 percent contained one of the three when inhaled. These chemicals have long been used as flavor enhancers, particularly for products meant to taste buttery, like microwave popcorn. And while they’re believed to be perfectly safe to ingest, there’s mounting evidence that inhaling diacetyl — as factory employees working at popcorn manufacturing plants often do — can trigger an incurable and progressive disease called obliterative bronchiolitis (OB), also known as bronchiolitis obliterans or more simply, "Popcorn Lung."
"Recognition of the hazards associated with inhaling flavoring chemicals started with 'Popcorn Lung' over a decade ago," explained lead author and assistant professor of exposure assessment science.Joseph Allen in a statement. "However, diacetyl and other related flavoring chemicals are used in many other flavors beyond butter-flavored popcorn, including fruit flavors, alcohol flavors, and, we learned in our study, candy flavored e-cigarettes."
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In 2000, eight former employees of the Gilster-Mary Lee popcorn plant were found to have come down with OB over a period of several years by the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services. After a joint investigation in conjunction with the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH), it was determined that the plant’s current workers who had more exposure to flavoring vapors were more likely to report worse airway function. Subsequent research, primarily in animals, has since singled out diacetyl inhalation as a leading culprit of worsening lung function, though 2,3-pentanedione is also considered to be potentially harmful.
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Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Maybe in the US, but not here.
Everything causes cancer. Stop babying people. If they want to do something that ruins their lives, it's called personal choice.
I am sick of nanny state laws.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)so you know I'm not the rabid anti-smoker type.
A plane is an enclosed space. That's literally the only reason I object to vaping on one. If you could crack a window, it'd be fine, but you can't. And there's always one or two vapers that crank that shit to an unbelievable level, to the point they look like Godzilla, and one or two is all it would take in a space that size to make you feel like you were driving across the Pontchartrain bridge at 7 in the morning.
You can't really outlaw screaming kids, BO would be hard to do too, but I'd be down with banning that awful sickly sweet perfume wearing woman that has no sense of smell that I always seem to get stuck beside. If I wanted to smell like I wallowed in privet hedge, I'd have done it before I left the house.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)and I do my share of vaping and smoking the real thing. The fog machine douches are annoying.
William Seger
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keylargo
(42 posts)Well, if I ever have to be burdened with someone's vaping odors, I'll be sure to have something on hand so they will be equally burdened. Only mine won't be some imitation fruit, more like rotten eggs or some foul smelling cheese. Hey, fairs fair... My co-workers and I are forced to walk past people either smoking or vaping every time we enter or leave my office and we all find the smells disgusting. I just soon walk passed a pig farm. Want to vape or smoke fine, but do it where the rest of us can just breath without "your" second hand "steam".
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)1: Well, if I ever have to be burdened with someone's vaping odors, I'll be sure to have something on hand so they will be equally burdened. Only mine won't be some imitation fruit, more like rotten eggs or some foul smelling cheese. Hey, fairs fair...
IF you can stomach the taste, have at it, hoss. I actually like Limburger cheese.
2: My co-workers and I are forced to walk past people either smoking or vaping every time we enter or leave my office and we all find the smells disgusting.
Oh, I have to listen to people burping turds of wisdom every time I enter or leave my office and I find their words disgusting. So, your right to burp turds of wisdom ends if I can hear it. I will complain too.
3: I just soon walk passed a pig farm.
Pig farms are cool. I grew up downwind of two of them. Chicken farms are disgusting smelling.
4: Want to vape or smoke fine, but do it where the rest of us can just breath without "your" second hand "steam".
Want to carry on a conversation I also find objectionable, fine, do it where the rest of us can just enjoy our lives without "your" vacuous conversation.
IT works both ways. I vape in my home or on the street, but I live in Malaysia and in China where no one cares if you vape or smoke. So long as the smoke isn't blown in my face or done where signs say you can't smoke, I don't care who does what with their bodies.
I don't even care if people mainline heroin in front of me. It's their body.
Skittles
(153,147 posts)vapers are starting to sound as obnoxiously defensive as smokers
geomon666
(7,512 posts)And then tell me there's no combustion.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)from vaping then they are either not very bright or trying too hard.
jmowreader
(50,553 posts)There's a thread on DU about a kid in Canada who was using a high-end e-cig that blew up and burned off a quarter of his face. The serious vapers among our number decided the victim was either using a "sub-ohm" setup wrong or he was running a bad battery.
This is old-school stuff, but in 1992 I tried bringing a computer on an Air Force cargo plane and wound up spending five hours on the phone trying to find out how much lithium was in the clock battery because the government wouldn't let us fly the battery without that information. (We finally removed the battery from the computer and borrowed one from the electronic maintenance platoon of the unit we were working with in Georgia.) If one 1/2AA lithium can down a C-141B cargo plane, I have no doubt an e-cig battery, which is larger, can take out an airliner.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Lithium batreries are allowed, just as long as you carry them on the plane.
So its not like this ban will cause people to start bringing extra batteries.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)geomon666
(7,512 posts)I never said he couldn't vape. By all means, vape away but don't give me this shit that there's no combustion or any harm can be done. That's bullshit, ok.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)Your laptop or cell phone is just as capable of exploding as my e-cig. Does that mean your laptop is actually secretly run by an internal combustion engine?
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)and I haven't touched a cigarette since. For many people who have been trying, like I have, to kick their deadly addiction to the combustion of tobacco and the many carcinogenic additives produced by cigarettes, vaping has been a life-altering change for the better. However, I treat vaping the same way I did cigarettes - I vape outside in the designated areas for cigarette smokers.
I would never sit in an airplane and blow literal clouds of dense vapor into the air because it's rude as hell and just like with cigarette smoke, no one wants to breathe in secondhand vapor. If you need to vape, take your ass outside with the smokers!
I'm hoping people's idiocy and rudeness doesn't end up getting vaping overly-restricted or even banned because it has really helped many long-time smokers who've been struggling to quit. I enjoy being able to smell, taste, breathe, and not smelling like cigarettes all the time now and I'd hate to see the few mess it up for the many.
DirtyHippyBastard
(217 posts)Tried quitting many times over the decades with no success... this crazy steam spewing thing has me at 5 months without a cigarette after smoking for 40 years.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]When I read about the potential chemicals in commercial e-juices, I researched the subject and started making purely organic juice with no unknown ingredients or additives for a couple of friends. Since then, three other friends got interested, started vaping my e-juice and completely quit cigarettes, and another is now seriously considering it.
I fully support vaping as a way of quitting smoking and hope no further restrictions are put on it. Still, it's not right to expect people stuck nearby to put up with even a harmless cloud if they don't want to. Simple courtesy should be the guide - something which escapes the ever-obnoxious Cunningham's grasp.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)I don't allow cigarettes, but vaping and hookah are fine.
These idiot reformed smokers and non-smokers started yelling at me in my own house. I even posted a sign on my front door "Vaping and Hookah smoking allowed. Don't like it, don't come in."
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I hope you invited them to leave if they didn't like it. Pretty rude of them in your house.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)
I haven't started making my own juice yet but I think I will soon - gets kinda expensive buying those little overpriced 15mL bottles all the time!
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Making your own is so easy, a whole lot cheaper, and you know what's in it.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)The answer is simple.. Don't breathe. This includes any damn bug on the planet. It seems that every time I fly, I end up with some sort of upper respiratory crap.
I got over the cold I caught during a flight in October. But I'm still fighting the sinus infection and wheezing in my lungs.
keylargo
(42 posts)Over here in Asia almost everybody wears them for any number of reasons and yes, I have been using one when flying... No issues to date and I put on a lot of miles this winter.
Just a thought,
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)help? They don't block any bugs. Well maybe insects, but no germs.
keylargo
(42 posts)Doctors and nurses only wear them to look strange and scare the patients...
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)jmowreader
(50,553 posts)If so, that'd explain Duncan Hunter.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Sometimes, a couple of hits of weed opens my mind and gets my creativity flowing when I write my movies.
Just need to hide it from the wife. She will go ape shit. She still believes the CCP Chinese propaganda that weed will destroy all it touches.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)and the creativity parts.
I quit smoking herb maybe a year and a half ago because I found the paranoia started to get unbearable (maybe that's because I've gotten older lol), but when I really want to focus on writing some new music, nothing is better than a few puffs of the green. Hoping they'll legalize soon in NC because I'd keep some on hand for those chill times.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)at myself. Also, when I was hi, I could turn my head to look in a different direction and swear I was still looking in the same direction.
I don't like the feeling of not having control of my body that weed gives. Plus, that migraine the day after sucks so much ass. It's debilitating.
That's when I discovered Hashish. All the enjoyment of weed without the bullshit that comes with it.
Liberty Belle
(9,534 posts)From the vaping industry? Or the tobacco industry, since many (though not all) vaping liquids contain nicotine.
cynzke
(1,254 posts)standing/sitting next to you on a plane, bus, ANYWHERE starting blowing in your face deliberately, you would certainly be upset, and yet we should just tolerate someone in essence, doing the same thing. NO WAY. Its rude and inconsiderate.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)He really does emphasize the vape crowd.
(Note: I fully support vaping, I'm just saying, he sounded really weird in his argument.)
chapdrum
(930 posts)Senior is just as nutty.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)a real agitator for RW issues in his area. Any doubt that he isn't being paid by the vaping companies?
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Naysayers are on the wrong side of history on this one. And without much reason for it too. Pure prejudice.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)1. Duncan Hunter is an asshole.
2. Mind your own business. What he does to himself is his problem. Vaping doesn't do a darn thing to people around them. Certainly less harmful to the user than smoking. Not. Your. Problem.
About half the BS in this world could be resolved following Rule #2.
Bernin
(311 posts)is far more offensive than vaping.
Duncan's a douche but the nanny state nonsense has got to stop.
Vinca
(50,261 posts)the gizmos exploding on a guy and causing burns. That would kind of suck on a plane.
