Sanders unloads on Clinton during raucous speech in Chicago

[Omaha Steve]

Source: W Post

By John Wagner

CHICAGO -- Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders, who’s complained about having “the kitchen sink” thrown at him, unloaded on Hillary Clinton here Thursday night, ticking off a series of issues on which he said the former secretary of state had taken the wrong position.

The Vermont senator attacked Clinton for having accepted campaign contributions and speaking fees from Wall Street interests. And then he sharply criticized her support, as first lady and as a New York senator, of welfare reform, free trade, an anti-gay rights bill and the Iraq War — all measures he opposed during his long career in Congress.

The broadside came amid a speech to a raucous crowd of more than 6,500 people packed into a basketball arena at Chicago State University, part of a whirlwind tour in recent days of states with primaries and caucuses next month.

Though none of the critiques leveled by Sanders were new, his remarks were striking for both their length -- until recently he often didn’t mention Clinton at all at his rallies -- and his tone. At a few points, the audience booed Clinton and the stances she’s taken.

FULL story at link.


Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders (center) arrives at a campaign event at Chicago State University on Feb. 25, 2016. (EPA/TANNEN MAURY)


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[Divernan]

1. Wonderful & about time!

And for those devoted to claiming he has no black support, I counted 8 black supporters in the above photo.

[oberliner]

8. Chicago State University is 90 percent black

One would think the audience would reflect that.

[xloadiex]

21. I watched 3 feeds

There was an even mix in the enthusiastic crowd of white, hispanic, and african american which represented Chicago's diversity very well. The rally wasn't just for university students. It was for whoever wanted to get in line and wait hours to see Bernie and the people really lined up.

Chuey Garcia, who lost to Rahm for mayor, and Jessie Jackson's son Jonathan, who is a professor at the school, really got the crowd fired up for Bernie.

[oberliner]

29. That's great

I think Bernie is doing a very good job of reaching out to a diverse group of people.

[Divernan]

43. Great that Garcia was there! He has tremendous Hispanic following.

[wordpix]

40. The audience behind Bernie is very diverse

More than univ. students attended, obvioulsy

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

13. I counted 9.

[restorefreedom]

14. i see about a dozen faces of color

including around the edges of the photo, if you look close

but bernie can't appeal to poc,....or something

[Agschmid]

39. I cannot believe we have reduced ourselves to counting POC.

...

Ugh.

And yes I know, both sides do it.

[Divernan]

42. I know. I did it as anticipatory defense.

[berniesandero]

44. yes

[Divernan]

48. Welcome to DU - keep your seatbelt buckled at all times!

[cantbeserious]

2. Compelling Wisdom - Vs - Disheartening Cynicism - The Choice Is Clear

eom

[ladjf]

3. Yes, as simple as that. I don't understand why Sanders isn't winning by

large margins.nt

[sulphurdunn]

6. He might be. You never know anymore.

[Geronimoe]

20. Some reasons for non-support

Debbie Wasserman Schultz limited debates. It limits voters from getting to know Bernie. The Democratic debates are difficult to atch because you need cable subscribtion and are full of commercials. The GOP debates have been streamed and have few commercials.

Corporate media has not been showing anything on Bernie. He does have soom massive rallies but even these are not shown on corporate media.

Voter turn out has been low but this seems to be the plan in getting Hillary anointed. However she cannot even fill a local firehouse. So if you don't know about Bernie, there just isn't any excitement.

[PatrickforO]

26. I've been thinking about this.

When I was a kid and bought something cheap, my mother used to tell me not to be penny wise and pound foolish.

I believe this concept can be applied here. The Clinton campaign is very savvy at mudslinging, race politics and character destruction and we've seen this applied to Sanders. It worked because Sanders SHOULD have won NV by double digits. However, people get discouraged by the mudslinging and if you haven't heard of either and then read something like the diary of a well known person here on Daily Kos, you say 'fuck it' and don't show up at the caucus or vote in the primary. Clinton then ekes out a narrow win, but it is a win.

This is very WISE tactically, because in this primary, low turnout benefits Clinton, who is the establishment candidate.

What is FOOLISH is that should she get the nomination, she will have extreme difficulty getting everybody back together again and motivated.

What is EVEN WORSE is that she's facing some criminal indictments around the appearance of 'pay to play' whereby foreign countries made generous donations to the Clinton Foundation and were subsequently OK'd for large arms deals WHILE SHE WAS SECRETARY OF STATE. Should she get the nomination, this will likely happen to her as an October surprise and...

the GOP clown, probably the Nazi Trump, will defeat her and take the presidency.

Don't believe me? Mark my words. Clinton is HATED by the Republicans and distrusted/disliked by most independent voters. She'd have a hard time winning the general election under the best circumstances but now? No way.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

76. Exactly

One of the main arguments I read on a Facebook thread about why people are supporting Drumpf was "ABC" - anyone but Clinton. If she wins the nomination, those on the right will turn out in droves to vote for Drumpf, Rubio, Cruz, or freaking Adolf Hitler to keep Hillary from the presidency.

[yurbud]

73. Hillary is promising less than Obama actually delivered & we're supposed to get excited about that?

[yourpaljoey]

4. Time to take off the gloves! The People want to boo at the things Hillary has done to us!

[Divernan]

5. (from OP)Clinton supported "homophobic piece of legislation",

as well as the welfare reform bill signed by her husband that "beat up on minorities and poor people"; and the NAFTA and other trade agreements which cost us manufacturing jobs.

Y'all remember being told repeatedly by Bill that if we elected him, we were getting "two for the price of one", i.e., the Clinton co-presidency. And Hillary is campaigning on her experience, a major part of which is her time as a White House Spouse - so it's absolutely appropriate that she is held to account for all of Bill's programs which she so enthusiastically pushed.

“I do not receive many millions of dollars from Wall Street or the pharmaceutical industry or other powerful, wealthy interests in this country, and have not given speeches for hundreds of thousands of dollars to Wall Street,” Sanders said, referring to money Clinton received between stepping down as secretary of state and launching her presidential bid.

In the wake of his loss to Clinton in the Nevada caucuses, Sanders vowed he would be more aggressive in detailing the policy differences between the two, a posture he said doesn’t violate his long-standing practice of running positive, issue-oriented campaigns.

Several of the differences Sanders cited were over legislation that advanced during the years that Bill Clinton was in the White House. As he did earlier this week, Sanders criticized Hillary Clinton’s support of a welfare reform bill signed by her husband in 1996 that Sanders said “beat up on minorities and poor people.”

He also criticized the Clintons’ support of legislation the same year known as the Defense of Marriage Act that ensured that states did not have to recognize gay nuptials performed in other states. Sanders called that “a homophobic piece of legislation.” “Secretary Clinton supported it,” Sanders said.

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. +1000000. Thank you for this.

[navarth]

9. Good. nt

[morningfog]

10. Go Bernie!

[JackRiddler]

11. Thousands of real voters in the seats again.

Although this may be GD : P in LBN abuse. Plenty of that going around.

[Plucketeer]

12. Go for it Bernie!

Give Hillary a truth-ache!!!

[thereismore]

15. Barack Obama did not hesitate to call her names, such as Annie Oakley. Go Bernie! nt

[gordyfl]

16. I Watched it.

A very lively, enthusiastic crowd.

[EndElectoral]

17. So much for the one issue candidate - Give'em Hell Bernie

[CharlotteVale]

18. K&R

[SoapBox]

19. Agree with others...Give them hell Bernie!

He tried being nice...really nice...and he got called a bigot, racist, sexist and all sorts of slime.

Go Bernie Go!

[jwirr]

50. And note that even when he goes after her he does it by

talking issues and telling the truth.

She tells lies and hires others to lie for her and he plays this straight.

[72DejaVu]

22. Can't wait for the live album

Bernie: The Farewell Tour

[dorkzilla]

23. Yeah, farewell Vermont, hello White House!

[RoccoR5955]

34. Yeah, "Farewell Senate, Hello White House"

will be a million seller!

[William769]

54. We're missing you.

[stillwaiting]

59. Sick of your condescension and ridicule. Last time I'll see it!! Woo Hoo! Bye, Bye! nt

[PatrickforO]

24. Good.

[riversedge]

25. Hillary Clinton brings a message of unity to SC- Hillary the uniter vs Sanders the Divider..

Hillary Clinton brings a message of unity to South Carolina



By Hannah Fraser-Chanpong CBS News February 25, 2016, 11:51 PM




CHARLESTON, South Carolina As she crisscrosses the state to make her final pitch to South Carolinians, Hillary Clinton has started to talk a lot about one thing: unity.

"This campaign is all about bringing us together to solve our problems," she said on Wednesday night, at Morris College in Sumter. "It's about remembering that we have work to do, and we must do it together."
..................................

"I've never believed in dividing America between 'us' and 'them,'" she said. "We're all in this together, and we all have to do our part."
..........................

From the beginning of her campaign, Clinton has talked about inclusive policies -- both economic and social -- and emphasized her commitment to finding "common ground" on behalf of all of the American people, whether they are, as she often put it then, struggling, striving or successful.


"We Americans may differ, bicker, stumble, and fall," she said last June, at an event in New York billed as the official launch of her campaign, "but we are at our best when we pick each other up, when we have each other's back. Like any family, our American family is strongest when we cherish what we have in common, and fight back against those who would drive us apart."
.................................

"Our strength is in our unity," Clinton said in Sumter. "We are the United States of America and we need to start acting like it."

Her emphasis was on the word "united." She added: "I listen to the rhetoric on the Republican side, and I don't recognize my country."..................


Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-brings-a-message-of-unity-to-south-carolina/

[ejbr]

28. Uniting us in the wrong direction? n/t

[Fronkonsteen]

31. "It's about remembering that we have work to do, and we must do it together."

She left out: "To serve our corporate masters."

[NoMoreRepugs]

33. history and FACTS show us there is no common ground btwn the 1% and the 99%

I'm hard pressed to think of an example of where a revolution wasn't between the 2 groups rather than inclusive of both groups.....

Bernie's momo is a freight train heading downhill..... the Republican clown car has gotten sooooo ridiculous even the MSM may have to give the differences between Bernie and HRC more coverage... that will only further steepen the incline Bernie's train is on .... and increase his MoMo

[FailureToCommunicate]

36. You already posted this and the OP got blocked.

[wordpix]

41. if she's a uniter, release the transcripts! I want to hear/read what you said to Goldman

Sachs. Seriously, you want me to vote for you? Let me see who I'm voting for in terms of corporate contribution$ and payback.

[eridani]

61. She wants to be unified with superpredators? How nice. n/t

[Shenonymous]

27. The cost of "free"

The cost of "free" is always costly for the Middle Class. This is the folly of Bernie Sanders' exorbitant spending. It is his deceivingly dishonest socialist beliefs that does not let everyone know just how much it is going to cost them, not merely the 1%, everyone! It is deceptive to those who just believe pie-in-the-sky, grandiose solutions to real life problems. Hillary Clinton's program is sane and sensible, and reasonable. Her strategy to improve the lives of disadvantaged Americans is much more feasible, meaning actually achievable and more possible to get through a conservative Congress.

[tokenlib]

37. Old tired attacks on liberals, are real old..give if up..

Hillary is not going to make the rich pay their fair share..or send crooked bankers to prison. Enough of the Clinton snuggling with Wall Street..it's time for the New Dems to go away...

[jmowreader]

49. How is Bernie going to "make the rich pay their fair share" in a way that gets them to do it?

People who have spent their lives developing processes that enable them to (1) earn lots of money and (2) send very little of it to the government in the form of taxes are NOT going to meekly surrender to Sanders' demands for most of their money. I worked for a guy who, in 1998, hired eight full-time employees at $12 per hour plus benefits to lower his tax bill by $400. There are people THAT allergic to paying taxes, and they'll be ready for anything Bernie tries.

[LeFleur1]

55. How Will Bernie 'make the rich pay their fair share'?

He's going to give the House of Representatives the same speech he's given at every stop, and the Conservatives House is going to introduce bills that make socialism a reality in our country. Then the Conservative Senate is going to pass those bills. And MAGIC, fair shareism is born.

[jmowreader]

56. Oh yeah. I forget sometimes.

You do of course have to ignore that Bernie's plans read like those of the evil government in Atlas Shrugged.

[Bjornsdotter]

30. Watch the intro by Jonathon Jackson

It is amazing!

[Bjornsdotter]

32. My daughter's friend

...was there last night. He said the crowd was loud in their support and that it was electrifying.

[Duval]

35. K&R! nt

[trillion]

38. He needs to get into the blood on her hands, and try to keep a positive campaign when he's not

directly speaking about Honduras coup and the Syrian peace deal she fought and ended. He also needs to talk about her massive support of fracking and Monsanto. It's not hard to find the videos out there.

[jmowreader]

45. But all his votes were perfect

Including, of course, the five votes against the Brady Bill and the one vote for the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Bill.

[Kelvin Mace]

46. I don't recall him ever claiming all his votes were perfect

Straw man argument.

[jmowreader]

51. I DO recall his supporters claiming he never did anything wrong

The inference is Gramm-Leach-Bliley - which Bernie Sanders DID vote for and Hillary Clinton, who wasn't in Congress at the time, could not have - was a good vote.

Serious question, Kelvin: Does Bernie actually understand credit derivatives, or does he just know the people who sell them are bad?

[Kelvin Mace]

57. Well, I can't answer that question

Bernie would have to. I understand why they are bad, so I would hope he, and every other politician ostensibly on our side, would as well.

I will take your word that you have seen some Sanders supporters claiming Bernie is perfect, but will simply say they are wrong. No one is perfect.

That said, I prefer Bernie's error rate to HRC's.

[wordpix]

47. re: relating ISIS and lost jobs/poverty ---Sen. Sanders, read this

The American worker, whose taxes fund everything federal, funds the war on terror and ISIS. Bernie needs to connect the two: no jobs or low wages, no/little revenue to fight that war, much less fund environmental protection, education, health care for the poor, etc. that we need here in the US.

Great job explaining the trade agreements!

[datguy_6]

52. Probably too little, too late...

[Gothmog]

53. The kitchen sink has not been thrown at Sanders by the Clinton campaign

The concept that the Clinton campaign has been very negative on Sanders is simply false when you look at what Sanders would be subject to if he was the Democratic nominee. VOX had a good article on the potential lines of attack that Sanders would be exposed to if Sanders was the nominee. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/3/10903404/gop-campaign-against-sanders One of the more interesting observations in the VOX analysis is the fact that Sanders have been treated with kids gloves compared to what Sanders would face if he was the Democratic nominee. I strongly agree with the VOX's position that the so-called negative attacks against Sander have been mild. Form the article:

I have no interest in litigating any of these attacks here. Like any Democrat elected president in 2016, Sanders wouldn't be able to get much done, but he would block attempts to roll back Obama's accomplishments and have a chance to fill a few Supreme Court vacancies.

When Sanders supporters discuss these attacks, though, they do so in tones of barely contained outrage, as though it is simply disgusting what they have to put up with. Questioning the practical achievability of single-payer health care. Impugning the broad electoral appeal of socialism. Is nothing sacred?

But c'mon. This stuff is patty-cakes compared with the brutalization he would face at the hands of the right in a general election.

His supporters would need to recalibrate their umbrage-o-meters in a serious way.

The attacks that would be levied against Sanders by the Kochs, the RNC candidate and others in a general election contest would make the so-called attacks against Sanders look like patty-cakes. The GOP and Kochs are not known for being nice or honest and as the article notes there are a ton of good topics available for attack. Raising taxes is never a good campaign platform (Just ask President Mondale). The GOP would also raise the socialism and age issues if Sanders was the nominee.

Again, I agree with the VOX position that so far, Sanders has not been subject to negative attacks close to what the GOP would use against Sanders and the attacks against Sanders if he was the nominee would be brutal. I urge Sanders supporters to read the VOX article to start to get a feel for what real negative attacks would look like.

[antigop]

58. Not to worry. I'm sure the Texas Dem Party would have Bernie's back. nt

[Gothmog]

64. The Texas Democratic Party will support the nominee of the party

There is still a 7% chance that Sanders will be the nominee according to Predictwise http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-democratic-nomination Lets wait and see who does well in Texas primary

[antigop]

65. Sure they will. Sure they will. And they are "neutral" now. nt

[antigop]

67. and I'm sure they would give the same level of support to Bernie that they gave to Hillary.

Sure they would.

[antigop]

68. well, golly gee, look at what the Texas Dem Party is selling

http://store.txdemocrats.org/clinton-castro-2016-vinyl-sticker/

[Gothmog]

69. Those were printed over two years ago

Those Bumpstickers were printed long before Sanders announced

I am looking forward to Tuesday

[antigop]

70. thank you for proving my point. nt

[eridani]

62. There's only one attack--socialist, socialist!

Not to coincidentally, the same attack leveled at every Dem Candidate. We have a Muslin Socialist president, after all.

[Gothmog]

63. The difference is that Sanders' appearance on MTP gives the GOP a great sound clip to work with

The attack ads from this appearance on Meet the Press write themselves https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/12/why-bernie-sanders-isnt-going-to-be-president-in-5-words/

Meet the Press ✔ @meetthepress
CHUCK TODD: Are you a capitalist?@BernieSanders: No. I'm a Democratic Socialist.
8:33 AM - 11 Oct 2015

And, in those five words, Sanders showed why — no matter how much energy there is for him on the liberal left — he isn't getting elected president.

Why? Because Democrat or Republican (or independent), capitalism remains a pretty popular concept — especially when compared to socialism. A 2011 Pew Research Center survey showed that 50 percent of people had a favorable view of capitalism, while 40 percent had an unfavorable one. Of socialism, just three in 10 had a positive opinion, while 61 percent saw it in a negative light.

Wrote Pew in a memo analyzing the results:

Of these terms, socialism is the more politically polarizing — the reaction is almost universally negative among conservatives, while generally positive among liberals. While there are substantial differences in how liberals and conservatives think of capitalism, the gaps are far narrower.

...The simple political fact is that if Sanders did ever manage to win the Democratic presidential nomination — a long shot but far from a no shot at this point — Republicans would simply clip Sanders's answer to Todd above and put it in a 30-second TV ad. That would, almost certainly, be the end of Sanders's viability in a general election.

Americans might be increasingly aware of the economic inequality in the country and increasingly suspicious of so-called vulture capitalism — all of which has helped fuel Sanders's rise. But we are not electing someone who is an avowed socialist to the nation's top political job. Just ain't happening.

You can try to argue that the two terms are not the same but that will not stop the Kochs from running $200 milion to $300 million using that term in negative ads that would be very effective.

[antigop]

66. OOOh, now it's the "socialist" boogeyman. I guess we gave up on the SCOTUS boogeyman? nt

[Gothmog]

71. The control of the SCOTUS for the next generation is also an important issue

I am not willing to trust the control of the SCOUTS to a candidate who is not electable

[antigop]

72. so how many additions to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter have you made?

And did you talk to DWS and thank her for her moment of candor re: Bernie's electability?

Still waiting for your answers.

[eridani]

74. They called Obama a Kenyan Muslin socialist--how did that work out? n/t

[OkSustainAg]

60. People are way internet savvy.

What can they throw at him but commie commie. PLEASE? Really, people know that the rich got rid of taxing the rich and we are going to put the taxes back.

[LiberalElite]

75. Kicking nt