BREAKING: Bernie Sanders Says He Met With Pope Francis

[Hissyspit]

Source: Associated Press

@AP: BREAKING: Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders tells AP he met with Pope Francis https://t.co/vqXeuFJzGT/s/Etnm

Bernie Sanders says he met with Pope Francis.

BY KEN THOMAS
APR. 16, 2016 3:46 AM EDT

ROME (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says in an interview with The Associated Press that he met with Pope Francis.

Sanders says the meeting took place Saturday morning before the pope left for his one-day visit to Greece. He says he was honored by the meeting, and that he told the pope he appreciated the message that he is sending the world about the need to inject morality and justice into the world economy. Sanders says it's a message he has been sending as well.

Sanders traveled to Rome to attend a Vatican conference on economic inequality and climate change. He is an admirer of the pope and has praised the pope's views on poverty and the environment.


Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/51a3860bb14940608f9f6539bd441f4e/bernie-sanders-says-he-met-pope-francis

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Backdropped by St. Peter's basilica dome, US presidential candidate Bernie Sanders meets reporters outside the Perugino gate at the Vatican, Friday, April 15, 2016. Sanders spoke at a conference commemorating the 25th anniversary of "Centesimus Annus," a high-level teaching document by Pope John Paul II on the economy and social justice at the end of the Cold War. (Angelo Carconi/ANSA via AP)

[tomm2thumbs]

1. I should go back and laugh at all the posts by giggling doubters

But I won't stoop to their level

You can see a certain glow in his smile

[chwaliszewski]

2. Oh, Yeah?

Well, Hillary has more delegates than him and that's all that matters. Who cares if he's sincere and empathetic.

[MFM008]

31. he sure doesnt seem like it

Sanders acts sour, grumpy, testy, rude , finger shaking ,get off my lawn very elderly man
He's scary. Id be afraid to even talk to him.

[Funtatlaguy]

33. You never had a relative

That was a little crusty on the outside, but was really a sweetheart in the inside?

[Hortensis]

41. He demonstrates that he has principles and

he cares in an elevated, ideological way about the wellbeing of people in general, but no one who knows him has described him as "sweet." Lol. Quite the contrary.

As for meeting with the Pope, I'm inclined to accept his account conditionally. As is normal for politicians, he lies when there will be significant benefit to his campaign and this would be significantly beneficial. But, the man could just become President of the United States, and it seems reasonable the Pope might choose to recognize that and not completely ignore his presence at the Vatican.

However, if it took place, it was discreet and they were not photographed together, or at least no photographs have been released. A quiet statement from the Vatican will probably follow on this, as happened before in a similar situation -- remember County Clerk Kim Davis from Kentucky?

[tomm2thumbs]

44. it has been confirmed by the Vatican

[BeanMusical]

48. Oops!

[roguevalley]

115. god, the whining. I laugh at the whining

Bernie met the pope. Hrc engaged a CRIMINAL lawyer. What a world

[BeanMusical]

118. Lol! Yeah, that's hillarious.

[rational mind]

134. Sanders met the leader of one of the most criminal organisations in the world, how is this good?

I have to laugh at Sanders supporters who are so blinded by either their love of Sanders or hatred of Clinton, that they are completely ignoring how farcical it is that Sanders is gushing about a man who heads an institution that actively and aggressively lobbies against reproductive rights all over the world, and while this may seem benign in the US, where most Catholics use birth control and have access to it and legal abortion as well, there is nothing benign about it in majority Catholic nations that are dealing with issues Americans can not imagine. The two presidents that attending the conference, Rafael Correra and Evo Morales, are both left-leaning on economic issues (ie socialist), but to the HARD right on social issues. Both Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have lambasted both nations for the record on reproductive rights. Half of maternal deaths in Ecuador are due to botched abortions, access to birth control is extremely limited - the head of the government agency in charge of reducing teen pregnancy is an anti-abortionist associated with the highly conservative Opus Dei, and preaches abstinence as a solution. Evo Morales, president of Bolivia, is nearly as bad, because although abortion is supposed to now be legal in Bolivia (unlike Ecuador where it is only legal if there is a high risk to the mother or in the case of rape of a mentally challenged woman), he has done all he could do prevent access to abortion and birth control.

These are not men any progressive would want to be associated with, and frankly, seeing pics of Sanders warmly shaking the hand of Evo Morales and sitting beside him smiling and chatting with him, really turned my stomach, as it should anyone who believed that Sanders was all about speaking the truth. This Pope is not more progressive than any other Pope - while it is good that he has spoken out about excess wealth and corporatism (fully in line with Church doctrine) this does not mean he is a 'good guy', he is not grandpa who has some old fashioned views but is basically benign, he is the leader of a Church with one billion followers and said only last year that the use of condoms could be spreading aids. He is completely opposed to the ordination of women, gay rights, and reproductive rights. But pedophile priests are okay - they can just be shifted to another diocese. If I was a man whose popularity was based on being someone who 'told it like it is' and 'stood up for the little guy' I would not want to go anywhere near the Vatican unless I used the opportunity to point out the disconnect between preventing access to birth control and claiming to want to help the poor.

[afertal]

143. Will worldwide access to free abortion...

....solve world hunger too?

Where is the rationality in your argument?

[SunSeeker]

146. Denying women access to abortion and birth control is a major cause of poverty.

Forcing women to give birth against their will is also immoral. And overpopulation is destroying our environment.

[LadyHawkAZ]

144. Kissinger, you mean? n/t

[BeanMusical]

159. Welcome back!

[cui bono]

166. It's good because it proves the Hillary supporters wrong.

You know, all the ones who kept trying to smear a good man with popegate.

Okay, okay, edited.

.

[greiner3]

167. You project so much hate

Mindfulness is a non drug way to release Also, certain exercises such as tai chi and yoga might also help. Or the good old American way drugs counseling or in extreme cases EST then lobotomy is probably the last choice. But dude, get Any help before something bad happens

[SkyIsGrey]

200. If it was HRC that got the invite..

instead of Sanders, HRC supporters would have gone on about how Sanders and his supporters are the embodiment of Satan and that HRC walks on water.

Wait, you already do that.

[bvar22]

216. Meeting with World Criminals, still wanted in many countries for mass murder?

I just noticed that Hillary has the same glow after meeting with Kissinger that Sanders had after meeting with Pope Francis, a man of Peace and Reform.

[Duval]

148. Didn't think of that! Too funny!

[840high]

158. Indeed.

[dchill]

202. Right, HRC hires a CRIMINAL lawyer...

And Bernie doesn't even need a tax lawyer. What a world, indeed. What a Bizarro world.

How is she qualified, again?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

233. IKR! And there's NEVER been anyone who hired a criminal attorney who turned out...

...to be guilty of that which compelled them to hire said lawyer!

[LiberalFighter]

151. Strange sort of meeting when all the Pope did was shake his hand.

"When I came down, I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more. This is called good manners and it is not getting involved in politics," the pope said, according to Reuters. "If anyone thinks that greeting someone is getting involved in politics, I recommend that he look for a psychiatrist," he said, laughing.

And Sanders was waiting for him. Another way of saying he was stalking the Pope.

[BeanMusical]

161. You have a vivid imagination.

You should write children books.

[MADem]

173. You can quote "IL PAPA" all day, and they'll call you a liar! LOL~!

Sanders stayed OVERNIGHT in St. Martha's (which had to involve a decent donation by someone to the church) in order to waylay the man as he was going out the door to board the plane to Lesbos.

I see the pawprints of Sachs all over this.

Bright spot--maybe, after Sanders loses the election, he'll take a position as an academician at the Social Sciences Academy! Jane can scope out all the good restaurants and buy Italian leather shoes!

[SunSeeker]

191. The Pope said the other couple with Sanders had slept at St. Martha's that night.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107103901

That "other couple" included Jeffrey Sachs, Sanders’s campaign foreign policy advisor.

So yes, Jeffrey Sach's pawprints are all over this ambush of the Pope.

[SunSeeker]

193. But wait, there's more...

Sanders and his wife, Jane, stayed overnight at the hotel, on the same floor as the pope. Francis noted to reporters that members of the Vatican conference that Sanders had attended also were staying at the hotel.

Jeffrey Sachs, a Sanders foreign policy adviser, said there were no photographs taken of the pope and Sanders together. Sanders' spokesman, Michael Briggs, said Francis was "100 percent correct that this was not a political meeting," thanking the pope's staff making the arrangements. He said Sanders and his wife "were advised the night before to be ready to meet the pope at 6 a.m."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/51a3860bb14940608f9f6539bd441f4e/bernie-sanders-says-he-met-pope-francis

[MADem]

205. Ha ha ha!

That's some "pushing in" if I've ever seen it!

Sachs was in this up to his eyeballs. From the START. What a mess!

[JDPriestly]

234. No reason for such petty jealousy and sour grapes.

The Pope's remarks according to the Boston Globe:

"When I came down, I greeted them, shook their hands and nothing more. This is good manners. It's called good manners and not getting mixed up in politics. If anyone thinks that greeting someone means getting involved in politics, they should see a psychiatrist," the pope said.
. . . .

The invitation to Sanders to address that session raised eyebrows when it was announced and touched off allegations that the senator lobbied for the invitation.

But the chancellor for the pontifical academy, Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, said he invited Sanders because he was the only U.S. presidential candidate who showed deep interest in the teachings of Francis.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141417945

Both the Pope and Bernie are interested in drawing public attention to the lack of economic justice in the world today. The Pope is interested in this issue because most if not almost all of the message of Jesus if you actually read the four Gospels is about helping the poor, shunning excessive wealth and economic justice.

Bernie has been a vocal admirer of the Pope for a long time. There is nothing new about this. I don't believe that Hillary is the avid admirer of the Pope that Bernie is. She has not spoken of the Pope as often as Bernie has to my knowledge.

When it comes to economics, the Pope and Bernie agree on the central points. That is what is important here.

[Hissyspit]

175. Oh good grief.

He was invited to the conference (for good reason considering its purpose). He went to the conference.

He met with the Pope. He said he'd met with the Pope.

"Sanders is a stalker." Jesus Christ...

[passiveporcupine]

178. Sanders and Jane

were down in the lobby, carrying their bags (checking out?) and they saw the Pope come down. I don't think they were waiting for him...it was a chance meeting. How would they have known he'd be coming down then, or that he was even still in the building? You are just being silly now.

Carry on.

On edit, several reports of the Pope's words include the Sanders did know the Pope was leaving at the time he came down and shook hands. That is no more stalking than people wanting to shake hands with Hillary after she speaks.

Still silly to assume stalking.

Again, carry on.

[BeanMusical]

182. They don't know much about how things work at the Vatican, obviously.

[MADem]

208. Because he told Sanchez in that note that he wasn't stopping by (as he usually does) the conference

for the "group photo" because he had an early morning flight to Lesbos.

Everyone knew when he was leaving. And Sachs ginned this up entire debacle up with his buddy Sanchez Sorondo. It doesn't take a genius to follow the traces.

Why else did Sanders even stay overnight? He had a plane at the ready--why didn't he just go to the plane, get on it, and fly home? It's not like there's no evening take offs from Fiumicino. He could have been home and back on the campaign trail this morning.


It's obvious what he did, and it comes off as icky. I'll bet there ARE photos, they're probably unusable owing to bad optics (like a bodyguard with their hand on the lens).

[passiveporcupine]

220. To you everything he does comes off as icky

And to me that comes off as icky.

[MADem]

221. No, not everything. But this? Absolutely. nt

[Major Hogwash]

226. Most of Hillary's supporters don't participate in communion. Do you know why?

Because they would send the wine back!

It's not good enough for them.

[CoffeeCat]

116. You're accusing Bernie of fabricating his account

of meeting with the Pope?

So, you're saying that Bernie didn't meet with the Pope and that he has made up this entire story?

[BeanMusical]

129. Oh the irony. They're the ones who keep screaming "Conspiracy Theory!"

[CoffeeCat]

136. But they believe and accept Hillary's lies? LOL

They'll suspend reality for Hillary for months and months and believe her lies--despite the fact that the majority in this country find her dishonest and trustworthy.

But when Bernie says that he met the Pope...he's lying.

Something is "off" with these types. Majorly "off."

[BeanMusical]

153. Mandatory lobotomy, maybe?

[TM99]

207. Of course they think he is lying.

They project because they know that Clinton does nothing but lie.

[Beartracks]

150. LOL - But of course!

"*I* don't know if he met with the Pope or not."

"*I* don't know if he's racist or not."

"*I* don't know if he's really Jewish."

"*I* don't know if he's really from Brooklyn/Vermont/Kenya or not."

" I *do* know, however, that Hillary's transcripts are clean."

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[DisgustipatedinCA]

126. No one cares whether you accept his account or not. You're immaterial in this.

It happened. The most honest politician in years said it happened, and so did the Vatican. Your thoughts on the matter are of no consequence.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

190. I'd like to see some documentation for your claim he lies. n/t

[COLGATE4]

103. No, but I had more than one that was a little crusty on the

outside and a real, 14K bastard on the inside. Reminded me a little of Bernie.

[BeanMusical]

109. So in other words you are calling Bernie a bastard.

Classy.

[COLGATE4]

110. Only in the metaphoric use of the word.

[BeanMusical]

111. Which is an insult.

[COLGATE4]

113. Wow. You ARE perceptive. nt

[BeanMusical]

117. Thank you for the compliment! You fill my heart with joy.

[Kalidurga]

184. Well that describes most of my relatives...

Then there are those that are mean on the outside and meaner on the inside. I can easily see where Bernie's anger comes from and it doesn't even scare me a little. In fact it makes me feel safer cuz he is on my side. But, I can see why it scares Hillarians because Bernie isn't on their side of the status quo.

[HereSince1628]

52. You forgot white, but I suppose in dog-whistling

there's a need to keep some of it unsaid.

[Jackilope]

81. I met him, got a hug and photo. He genuinely cares about US.

He gets angry about the grand theft happening to us. HRC gets angry for getting called out on her cozy ties with the looters.

Want to see anger? Wait until they steal Social Security once and for all.

[Kip Humphrey]

85. "Id be afraid to even talk to him." So will Wall Street!

[MrMickeysMom]

108. Did you have a bad experience with a teacher in school?

Seems to me that we all had experience with that.

Doesn't it feel good to get that off your chest? Maybe you'll understand that someone's age has nothing to do with a screen memory.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

133. Scary like a fox!

[fasttense]

152. Oh honey, does the big man scare you? Why bless your heart.

Don't be afraid. To you he's scary, to the rest of us he's just an adult.

What should really scare you are the RepubliCON candidates.

[AlbertCat]

156. To you he's scary, to the rest of us he's just an adult.

Yes. This is about the President of the United States, not the Mommy of the United States.

[Hissyspit]

180. Ooo, look.

Bullshit ageist ad Hominem.

So helpful.

[TM99]

206. Oh fucking bullshit!

The People expose on him and his family showed a passionate and loving grandfather and husband who will fight tooth and nail for what's right and just. If that scares you, then of course, you must be a Clinton supporter.

[laserhaas]

104. We - the good thought only to be few - have a new chance for hope - anew

[brush]

163. More has come out. It was a handshake in passing, so what's all the hoopla about?

[BeanMusical]

168. "More has come out."

I'm so glad that you're not constipated anymore.

[thereismore]

170. ...

[tomm2thumbs]

172. DUzy!!!

[GeoWilliam750]

194. Love it

You owe me a new keyboard.

[Number23]

224. Judging by the response to your post, not a single, damn thing of importance.

And they appear to know it too.

[JoFerret]

228. Pope Francis cleared it up. Question is

Do you trust Bernie or the Pope on this one?

[MADem]

171. That film is from yesterday

What the Vatican is saying is that he waited until the pope was leaving for Lesbos and stepped in front of him.

This is why he stayed in St Martha's last night. LOL! Sachs and Sanchez Sorondo are too clever by half!

[trueblue2007]

209. BERNIE big whoop.... he shook THE POPES HAND

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2016/04/pope_francis_says_shaking_bern.html

"This morning when I left, Sen. Sanders was there. ... He knew I was leaving at that time and I had the kindness to greet him and his wife and another couple who were with them," the pope told reporters traveling back with him to the Vatican.

"When I came down, I greeted them, shook their hands and nothing more. This is good manners. It's called good manners and not getting mixed up in politics. If anyone thinks that greeting someone means getting involved in politics, they should see a psychiatrist," the pope said.

<snip>

Sachs said Sanders saw the pope in the foyer of the domus, and that the encounter lasted about five minutes. Sanders later joined his family, including some of his grandchildren, for a walking tour of St. Peter's Basilica, one of the holiest Catholic shrines.

[tomm2thumbs]

211. you seem awfully caught up in it

you mad

[MBS]

212. + 100

here's the video:

[JoFerret]

223. Makes him a laughing stock #PopeGate

Bernie the Stalker ambushes the Pope. Gets a handshake but no photo-op.

And how much did that cost and who pays for it?

[JoFerret]

229. "This morning when I left, Sen. Sanders was there.

...that's it folks. Sanders was lurking for the ambush. Handshake. Very nice. No discussion. And seems to me the Vatican is pissed at this monumental discourtesy.

[JoFerret]

230. It was Bernie's Kim Davis moment of fame

Except she got 15 minutes and all he got was a handshake and a pissed off Vatican.

[JoFerret]

219. So who lied?

Bernie or Pope Francis?

[DianaForRussFeingold]

3. Thank You! This is wonderful news!

It doesn't hurt to have the Pope's blessing... I'm Catholic and I know he has our vote!

[greyl]

4. Hopefully, popebro learned something. nt

[Lunabell]

5. This is big news

A lot of progressive Catholics love this new pope.

[elleng]

6. and a lot of Jews and Agnostics and Protestants and Muslims too.

[tomm2thumbs]

9. and a lot of inbetween

mutts like me

[Lunabell]

10. Hell, I'm an atheist and I like this pope

But on women's issues he's a crunk.

[berniepdx420]

13. Same here

[berniepdx420]

15. I was raised catholic though.. and this will be a big deal in the northeast and especially maryland

this is definitely gonna swing some votes... 2 to 5% I would guess.. no wonder the hrc crowd was hitting this point so hard.. trying to diffuse it

[tomm2thumbs]

16. this news is going to be out at Churches this Sunday

the timing is as miraculous as that bird that landed on his lectern in Oregon

Sometimes the Universe surprises in amazing ways

[berniepdx420]

18. we are feeling the bern for sure in Oregon.. lot's of political chatter

[tomm2thumbs]

19. very cool what happened in Oregon

that bird, oh that bird, if it only knew !!!

or maybe it did

[berniepdx420]

21. That smile is priceless.. The People's President !!!

[Behind the Aegis]

29. No! No! No!

Didn't you hear? All those 'cultists' and Sanders were laughing at a poor, little bird in distress being trapped in a stadium. They were laughing at animal cruelty!

I know it seems like I am being overly sarcastic, but that was really implied here!

Rather than just saying "meh" or "whateves", it seems some delight in making wild accusations. Oh, just in case you haven't heard, Sanders has been accused of "ambushing" the Pope. Again, not kidding.

[BeanMusical]

55. This is so depressing.

What's wrong with some of these people?

[dorkzilla]

69. It's depressing alright

and completely unhinged. I'm glad I have those people on ignore.

[laserhaas]

107. Great gif dorkzilla

[dorkzilla]

124. Thanks!

I love his smile.

[navarth]

147. Immaturity, selfishness, fear...a cocktail

They're capable of doing better though. I have to believe that.

[jwirr]

141. If they are fool enough to keep it up they will force the Pope

into speaking again. And he will step up to deny a lie. Hillary supporters are making a bad move.

[arikara]

187. Good lord, I know they were

going on about the bird being trapped in the stadium and terrified for its little life.

About the pope, first they were saying if there are no photo's that the meeting didn't happen. Now they're saying that he laid in wait for the pope and "stepped in front" of him, that he "ambushed" the pope.

I think funniest though was when they realized he was going to the Vatican and they were hysterically going on about how he should be staying home to campaign. You'd think they'd actually be glad he went out of town for a couple days and wasn't in New York to hold any more massive rallys.

They really are quite unintentionally funny.

[pat_k]

25. "Sometimes the Universe surprises in amazing ways"

You and me both!

[tomm2thumbs]

27. harkened back to this after the birdie swooped in

I'm no longer religious but recollection brought this to mind - Job 12: 7


"But ask the animals,
and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky,
and they will tell you..."

[findrskeep]

121. For those with eyes to see....

There is something much bigger at play here.

[elleng]

11. Yes, inbetween,

athiest, etc etc etc.

[tomm2thumbs]

12. a trifle of this, a trifle of that

[Enthusiast]

90. Me too.

[laserhaas]

106. ^^^ CONCUR ^^^^^ Greatly ^^^^ times 10 ^^^^

[treestar]

94. A lot of atheists and LBGT really hate him

Ironic. Bernie may have lost more than he gained with this.

Catholics are not going to switch to Bernie just because he visited the Pope.

[BeanMusical]

101. Interesting new avatar.

And since when do you care about LGBT people?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2952192

Better explained by this poster:

yardwork (40,925 posts) Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:08 PM

There is only one right that gay people don't have!

Last edited Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:45 AM - Edit history (3)
Editing to note that these are not my words. They were posted elsewhere on DU, and I'm putting them here as an example of false statements that are still made (and believed) about gay people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2952192

treestar (40,648 posts)
457. There is nothing bigoted about the fact

There there is only one right you do not have. And people who give no credit to Obama for what he did already while making as if it is the only issue that matters are just wrong. There's always going to be some new demand. I am a woman and we don't have all our rights all the time, or some are threatened, but this is the US where we can talk about it, protest and I don't go around saying I have no rights. Not when looking at women in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia for instance.

If I am a bigot for caring about other issues, then fine. I don't think gay marriage is the only civil rights issue there is. Or the only issue that matters. And there is free speech. And the rest of the bill of rights. You should be ashamed for not caring about anyone or anything else.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113727459

Despicable.

[Lordquinton]

135. Whoops!

I don't hid my views on the Pope, but even I can recognize how big this is.

[pangaia]

137. Do you wake up every morning like this?

How do you ever get through the day?

It's going to be 68 degrees today. I'm going kayaking this afternoon.. 1st time this year...

[arcane1]

179. Nobody is going to change their vote away from him just because he met the pope either.

You're living in a dream world if you think the mere act of meeting someone is enough to turn them against Sanders. A stupid, fact-free dream world

[Sunlei]

7. I knew this Pope would want to visit with Bernie.

[BeanMusical]

8. Thank you, Hissyspit!

[Dragonfli]

14. I am sure he does feel honored that the Pope he admires greatly took the time to talk to him

They share some disagreements, certainly regarding some of the Church's antiquated beliefs on many social issues, but are as one regarding the issues that they do have in common, issues regarding injecting much needed morality into the economic realities of our time, and the need to address the ecological emergencies we are now facing.

I am sure that the Pope meets a great many people that share his very altruistic views on the matter, besides, but including Sanders.

He could have simply gone about his busy schedule, but it says a lot to me that he recognizes Sanders as an ally in this endeavor worthy of taking the time to talk with him.

Anybody would feel honored by such a gesture, and many Americans are proud, or they should be, of our representative at this forum. Such is not an honor many enjoy.

For once, our country was seen in a positive light in the world, not the first time since Bush and others ruined our world reputation, certainly, but one of only a few examples of something that other countries can view as positive and that might prove very helpful regarding the difficult task our country faces due to bad past decisions to be seen again as a positive force globally as we once were.

My elderly 90 YO Uncle (who unlike me is a most devout Catholic) will be "tickled pink" as my grandmother used to say when he hears of this, and if the media blacks it out as is their wont upon many occasions regarding Sanders, I shall certainly tell him about it myself!

[msongs]

17. hope he asked him why the church is covering up for all those crimes by priests nt

[Live and Learn]

42. You really should keep up on the news. nt

[leftofcool]

59. It's amusing

One of our presidential candidates meets with someone who is anti-gay, anti-women's rights and has more greed and wealth in one place than all other countries put together. The Catholic Church has stolen more land and property from poor people than anyone on the planet.

[tomm2thumbs]

64. You make it sound as if he'd met with Hillary from the 90's

tsk tsk tsk

[Divernan]

66. Doozy award winner!

[Enthusiast]

91. You don't know much about Pope Francis do you?

[MisterFred]

119. What's really incredible

Is that the presidential candidate you speak of is the one that's BETTER on abortion rights and other issues than Clinton.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/hillary-clinton-late-term-abortions

[chuckrocks]

132. Oh Noes!

Everyone knows, THAT'S only ok when you're collecting donations.

[rhett o rick]

149. Maybe you missed this post by your friend.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511752654#post2

[AlbertCat]

162. It's amusing

So, Hillary supporters hate the Pope now?

C'mon! I bet the Bible is his favorite book too!


I thought in the pragmatic, get-things-done world you had to work with people you disagreed with to get things done.

[LiberalLovinLug]

169. The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven

I'm sure you were one of those that were mocking and scoffing at Bernie supporters that Bernie was claiming he would meet the Pope.

Now that he has, the Pope is evil incarnate.
Here are a few of your favorite smilies back at you.

[Hissyspit]

177. If Hillary met the Pope during the campaign,

you wouldn't mention a word of that.

He was there for a conference on economic inequality and climate change.

This faux outrage is so tired.

[frylock]

181. And knowing all that, the Clintons still invited him..

to their Clinton Global Initiative charity event. What's up with that?

[AxionExcel]

20. Republicans unanimous in condemning "morality"

After Sanders and the Pope discussed morality, the G.O.P. immediately issued a statement condemning morality as a liberal plot that might negatively impact profiteering for the world's wealthiest arseholes.

[oioioi]

22. A master politician. A statesman.

[berniepdx420]

24. Our President !!!

[Uncle Joe]

23. That's what they just reported on CNN.

Thanks for the thread, Hissyspit.

[tomm2thumbs]

26. Can't wait to see where New York Times tries to bury this news, page 6 perhaps?

we'll have to watch and see -- they've already become a laughing stock for being caught changing articles to make Bernie look bad and for slighting articles against him. Their reputation sinks as they continue on the path of tabloid journalism without scruples.

[Harcourdt Fenton Mud]

75. I thought the same thing, but...

I found this on the front page of the website: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-pope-francis-vatican.html

[tomm2thumbs]

102. One small line, hope folks read it on the main site, still implying he just 'said it' vs. fact

It has been confirmed by the Vatican, so them saying 'Bernie Sanders Says He Met With Pope Francis' is a total write off to the facts, now that it has been established by both sides.

I know it would have been a lead headline if it had been hc, you can bet on it.

___

referring to main site vs. mobile site you linked, didn't want to confuse

[Helen Borg]

28. Bet Clooney us jealous now.

[tomm2thumbs]

30. he bet on the wrong horse

whooops!

[CharlotteVale]

32. Oops. Camp Weathervane cannot spin furiously enough.

[BeanMusical]

57. We should hook them up to turbines, it would provide enough electricity for the whole planet

for several years.

[CharlotteVale]

60. Bwahahaha

[tomm2thumbs]

61. I think it all depends on where you stand...

Last edited Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1)

...on the issues

[BeanMusical]

63. Lol!

[Silver_Witch]

127. Please don't feed the HRC crazies

They use this shit to show Bernie supporters are GOP goons. Please don't feed them!

[tomm2thumbs]

140. no prob

I realized DU is cement-polarized by now, no one is moving an inch and everyone is just screaming past each other.

[Silver_Witch]

235. Agreed!

[cui bono]

197. Issues? There are issues?

What are those???

.

[pnwmom]

34. Yes, he promised to keep it private, but of course he turned it into political spectacle.

The last President to have a private meeting with the Pope in Italy was George Bush. We saw how well that worked out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/16/italian-media-sanders-met-privately-with-pope-francis/

A Vatican source, speaking on condition of anonymity, also confirmed the meeting.

"It was a private meeting and was not supposed to become public," the source said. "It had been planned for, and it happened."

[tomm2thumbs]

35. you make me smile

[pnwmom]

36. When Hillary wins, despite all the new DU Catholic converts, that will make me smile. nt

[tomm2thumbs]

37. I thought she already won

why is she still spending money on ads? I thought this was a done deal. Not very good with her money I guess.

[Live and Learn]

43. Even as the climate becomes uninhabitable? nt

[pnwmom]

46. Bernie has the same plan she does -- step by step. He said it in the debate.

It can't happen all at once.

[Live and Learn]

49. Bull. nt

[BeanMusical]

58. Link?

[tomm2thumbs]

74. there is no link to 'same plan'

can't get good help like you used to nowadays

tsk tsk tsk

[BeanMusical]

87. Hehehe.

[riderinthestorm]

98. Please link Bernie’s fracking plans for the US. nt

[BeanMusical]

51. So much bitterness and negativity. That's really sad.

[Divernan]

77. Yup, it's the Clinton supporters' "tone" nowadays.

[karynnj]

39. I think President Obama and his family did when the Pope was in DC

Unless you want to claim it does not count because Michelle and the girls were there.

Not to mention, this is A DIFFERENT POPE.

[pnwmom]

47. So did Kim Davis, and I know how much you love her. She and Bernie are fellow Pope-fans now. n/t

[Divernan]

53. Wow! Linking the Pope to Kim Davis! That's super!

It's so good to know we can count on you to reach ever higher levels in offending Catholics and all the other Americans who admire this Pope.

Go for it! Hillary don't need no Catholic voters! Hillary don't need no one who admires this Pope!

You're right at the top of Mount Everest. You're Queen of the Hillary World!

Hope you're posting at a lot of other blogs as well.

[tomm2thumbs]

73. "Pope replaces ambassador to U.S. who set up Kim Davis meeting"

I think that tells you what part of that meeting was the Pope's idea

[treestar]

95. this thread has me amazed at the magical thinking and delusion

no Catholic is going to change to Bernie just because he went to see the Pope. You just insulted Catholics and being shallow and stupid.

Real devout Catholics are Republicans now anyway, as they are so rabid about abortion - they don't care about the economy.

More progressive ones are not so stupid that a mere visit to the Pope renders them unable to think about the issues or electability.

[Divernan]

100. HRC camp frantic at impact of papal visit upon US Catholics

And they should be. Progressive Catholics are already supporting Bernie. True, many Catholics are Republican - I went to high school with a bunch of them - but they are horrified at the GOP line up and don't want to vote for any of those clowns. They have disliked both Clintons for decades. The Pope's reaching out to Bernie will indeed have a YUGE impact on them and how they vote. Everyone knows this - and that is why the swarm of HRC supporters has been going nuts attacking the whole concept of Bernie's visit to the Vatican.

You think devout Catholics are "rabid about abortion"? Love the way you put that! Guaranteed to offend to the max! I'll tell you what very devout Catholics, especially the women, are offended by. Bill Clinton's serial adulteries. They feel Hillary should either have gotten him under control or left him.

Oh, and thank you as well for insulting all devout Catholics as in "they don't care about the economy". Well done, you! Keep up your excellent anti-Catholic posting. Hillary is shedding Catholic supporters in record numbers, even as you post. I suggest you write a letter to the editor of your local paper repeating your astute analysis of those rabid Catholics.

[treestar]

130. Do you have any polling numbers to prove any of that?

I have a family full of Democrats who are now Republicans and don't care about any other issue. LOL they voted for McCain because of it, even with Palin a heartbeat away.

Anecdotal, however, that's likely the best we have.

[thesquanderer]

157. Here's how Catholics have voted in recent Presidential elections

http://www.pewforum.org/2012/11/07/how-the-faithful-voted-2012-preliminary-exit-poll-analysis/

[BeanMusical]

105. "You just insulted Catholics and being shallow and stupid."

I am Catholic and you just insulted me. WTF do you know about us and how we think? Also everybody here now knows the meaning of your avatar and why you and other HRC fans have recently switched to this particular image.

Behind the Aegis (39,251 posts)
95. It is an Irish and Celtic symbol.

It is also a common pagan symbol. However, it is also used by neo-Nazis and when this was pointed out a few weeks back, some people decided it would be a "good time" to change their avatars. To me, that was a move to mock anti-Semitism, not express pride in Irish/Celtic heritage or paganism.

Before a few weeks ago, I never batted an eye when I saw that avatar, because the person baring it was either pagan or Celtic oriented, usually the former. Then I started seeing them all over the place and was really confused as to why. I was then told what had happened and given that three of the first people I saw using it have had incidents of anti-Semitism in their past, I knew it wasn't about "pride" of any kind, but about mocking Jews and anti-Semitism.

It is a definitely a symbol, at least in travels, associated with pagans, but I have seen it used by many neo-Nazis. It is a situation where context will determine whether it is being used for good or ill.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511745680#post95

[Lordquinton]

138. Wow

That's two links on this guy that shows true colors. As for the Irish pride thing...

A bit of a history lesson. There is another symbol that held deep meaning for many people until Nazis tainted it forever. Those people, instead of trying to reclaim it signed a pledge to ban it's use, because they recognized what it meant to the world, and to the millions murdered under it's image. That people are using it now when antisemitism is a big concern is troubling.

[BeanMusical]

154. +1 Absolutely.

[BeanMusical]

62. You really have no shame at all.

Disgusting.

[tomm2thumbs]

67. It's amazing what jealousy brings out

dontcha think?

[karynnj]

88. Suggestion - stop, look and think what you are postings

I have no connection to Kim Davis. I have two brilliant gay daughters, both of whom I hope will marry women they love. I have a sister, who found the love of her life around the time I found my husband. I will soon celebrate my 31 anniversay. They, though together as long, couldn't marry for decades. My Midwestern family, I am proud to say, considered them married for decades before they could.

Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders should not be considered enemies, but competitors to get the Democratic nomination. Nor should rival factions here smear each other. I have seen your posts for years, and you mine. I do not think I deserved that obnoxious crack. This place needs more civility.

[FlatBaroque]

125. Do you ever reflect on the meaning of your life and why you

were given the gift of life, and more importantly, what you have chosen to do with that gift.

I find your comments vile and disgusting. But knowing how online trolls operate, that is probably precisely your intent.

[frylock]

183. Stay classy.

[Divernan]

50. It WAS a private meeting; no political spectacle at all.

No advance announcements made, not put on the candiddate's public schedule, no reporters present, no photos taken.

Good thing pea green is such a lovely color for you.

The kind of negative, spiteful spin you and other Clinton supporters have put on this whole papal conference & Bernie Sanders being asked to participate in it, is so offensive to Catholics, as well as anyone else of the millions of Americans who admire this new Pope - way to go!

Keep it up! Please! Hope you've written a letter to your local paper with your views on the subject!

[Android3.14]

56. You lack grace

For months now I have observed how you unnecessarily and with false statements demean a good man with your writing skills.

[restorefreedom]

99. um, it was supposed to be private

UNTIL IT HAPPENED so the press would not swarm all over it.

there was no reason to keep the meeting or its contents secret forever. its not like it was a speech to goldman sachs or something....

[DisgustipatedinCA]

128. Work that ulcer.

[Bonhomme Richard]

38. Other than saying 'Vote sanders" the Pope couldn't be more definitive about who he supports.

He knew exactly what he was doing meeting with Bernie.

[pdsimdars]

40. These are the lines I liked best from the article

The invitation to Sanders to address the Vatican conference raised eyebrows when it was announced last week and touched off allegations that the senator lobbied for the invitation.

But the chancellor for the pontifical academy, Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, said he invited Sanders because he was the only U.S. presidential candidate who showed deep interest in the teachings of Francis.

[Divernan]

45. Bernie/Jane stayed overnight at the Pope's residence, same floor as Pope

Sanders said it was a brief meeting at the papal residence. "I told him that I was incredibly appreciative of the incredible role that he is playing in this planet in discussing issues about the need for an economy based on morality, not greed."

Sanders and wife, Jane, stayed overnight at the pope's residence, the Domus Santa Marta hotel in the Vatican gardens, on the same floor as the pope. They were seen at the hotel reception, carrying their own bags.

Dr. Jeffrey Sachs, a Sanders foreign policy adviser and adviser to the United Nations on climate change, said there were no photographs taken of the meeting.

The Vatican is loathe to get involved in electoral campaigns, and usually tries to avoid any perception of partisanship as far as the pope is concerned. Popes rarely travel to countries during the thick of political campaigns, knowing a papal photo op with the sitting head of state can be exploited for political ends.
However, Francis has been known to flout Vatican protocol, and the meeting with Sanders is evidence that his personal desires often trump Vatican diplomacy.

[BeanMusical]

65. That's awesome!

[Lordquinton]

139. "Popes rarely travel to countries during the thick of political campaigns"

That would mean never visiting the US, given our election cycles.

[mainer]

54. "It had been planned for" !!!

Pope always knew they were going to meet. So did Vatican. This is fascinating, after Margaret Archer bad mouthed Bernie.

[myrna minx]

68. Hopefully all of the Hillary supporters who are obsessed with this Pope thing

can move on to pressing matters. It's just bizarre how obsessed they've been with this. Just bizarre. People I used to respect have gone off their rockers about this.

[Aldo Leopold]

79. Agreed. It's been quite a spectacle.

[nashville_brook]

120. +100000 - Bernie Derangement Syndrome leaves ugly scars

[eggplant]

122. RELEASE THE TRANSCRIPTS!!!!!

[IdaBriggs]

70. Not as much of a surprise to me as it will be to our favorite Nasty folk.

Proud of him!

[840high]

160. Me 2

[yardwork]

71. I am really unimpressed by this blatant pandering.

The pope is no friend to me. I'll just leave it at that.

[Divernan]

76. Right! Hillary supporter trashes Pope! Go for it.

[Enthusiast]

93. Yuuge Plus One!

[840high]

164. I'm sure he's crushed.

[tomm2thumbs]

72. World Leader. (check)

Tireless Warrior. (check)

[apcalc]

78. Good for him

Means nothing

[tomm2thumbs]

83. apparently it meant enough for you to post a comment

I'd say that's something

[BeanMusical]

86. Lol, then why are you posting about it and pouting?

[Aldo Leopold]

80. Lovely. I'm liking this pope more and more!

This is huge!

[Kittycat]

89. Speaking out at every opportunity to benefit poor,

Means nothing. Check.

[HooptieWagon]

82. Excellent! All the moreso....

...that it gives the screeching Hillarians another week of butthurt.

[warrprayer]

84. kick and rec n/t

[treestar]

92. He looks cranky in that photo

Isn't he supposed to be happy ?

[Divernan]

96. & you sound cranky in your posts! Worried about HRC's impending loss, are ya?

[treestar]

97. lol

no, I don't. I am laughing at the idea that Bernie only had to visit the Pope to win in NY.

[Hissyspit]

198. Maybe he was smiling, like, .6 of a second earlier.

Maybe someone asked him a serious question.

Maybe the sun is in his eyes.

[MrMickeysMom]

112. What a great opportunity, Hissyspit!

This is a world-wide revolutionary theme. It rings true, based on the amoral economic supremacy of the 1%. I'm happy to see Sanders show the United States HOW OUR world is acknowledging this message ... how we should make progress towards fair treatment of everyone on this planet.

K&R!

[azurnoir]

114. Kicking

[Dont call me Shirley]

123. KnR!

[crim son]

131. Incredible.

Jesus could personally come down to earth from heaven and have coffee with Sanders, and some of you would still complain like children that you don't like his hairstyle. SMH. Get a grip.

[Purveyor]

142. Oh no!!!

[Gman]

145. Of over 140+ comments, only 1 is hateful about the Catholic Church

Absolutely incredible. Because it's Sanders, people here last version the Pope. Amazing what hero worship does to people.

[840high]

165. You would know about hero worship.

[Hissyspit]

174. Hunh?

[BeanMusical]

192. Can you translate that in English?

Most people here don't speak Gibberish.

[AzDar]

155. Bernie "The Real Deal" Sanders!

[SoapBox]

176. Total K & R

We love you Bernie!

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

185. So they carry their own bags and the pope drives a very small vintage compact car himself.

and so it seems Bernie demonstrated he too does not prefer to be waited on hand and foot. Yep the pope noticed the luggage being hand carried by Bernie and his wife-moderation in deed. Yep ,a political sign of moderation. But the trip isn't billed as political . And of course Bernie wasn't prepped as to how to make himself and his wife appear to be more-so outstanding in the eyes of the pope. But there was nothing political about that right ? The yep in his interview prior to the flight to Italy seems to connect into Bernie having been prepped as to how to appear at the departure scene. So he got to meet the pope ,-yep he did.Did he know how it would come about ? Yep he did.

And is there a whole lot of political maneuvering going on ? Yep there is.

What exactly does it all mean ? I think that is the question. The luggage bags, the old compact car the pope drives himself.

[Kalidurga]

186. I guess I am going to double what I put in the envelope at the fund raiser tomorrow

It's so worth it to me to have Bernie do stuff like this. It's hundreds times better than any ad that only a million or so people will see anyway. This is going to be seen by the whole country including California. LOL Hillarians it was nice to see you posting for a while it's all over by June though.

[McCamy Taylor]

188. I love the Pope! Makes me proud to be a non practicing, non baptised, ethnic

Catholic! Sort of like Bernie is a non practicing ethnic Jew. Remember, Jewish folks did not kill Jesus. The Roman invaders in Palestine did. (Oh, and btw, the McCamys were Presbyterian ministers from Scotland who came to the New World a gazillion years ago. The horror!)

[McCamy Taylor]

189. Face it, folks. Sanders is TOO GOOD to be our president. Sort of like Al Gore.

The office of the POTUS is toxic. Just look what it did to Jimmy Carter? You have to have nerves of steel and be able to shovel shit with the best of them (like LBJ) to get anything done from the WH.

[hrc guy]

195. From Slate

After some will-he-or-won't-he intrigue, Bernie Sanders finally did get his meeting with Pope Francis on Saturday morning in Vatican City. Although the presidential hopeful was seemingly ecstatic about the very brief encounter, the pontiff did his best to play it down, characterizing it as pretty much a quick hello. "When I came down, I greeted them, shook their hands and nothing more,” the pope told reporters. “This is good manners. It's called good manners and not getting mixed up in politics. If anyone thinks that greeting someone means getting involved in politics, they should see a psychiatrist.”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/16/pope_francis_says_sanders_meeting_was_manners_not_politics.html

[thereismore]

201. 14 posts. Welcome. And good bye. nt

[hrc guy]

210. Have I insulted His Holiness?

Or have I merely insulted the Pope?

[BeanMusical]

215. Welcome back!

[cui bono]

196. BREAKING: Hillary supporters lose their shit on DU

.

[Major Hogwash]

225. They were for the Pope just a few months ago.

But now, not so much.

[olddad56]

199. Dang, the Pope got to meet Bernie. I want to meet Bernie.

[Hissyspit]

203. LOL

[ViseGrip]

204. All the Money in the World could never buy such an Honor.

All the Money in the World could never buy such an Honor. I guess Bernie got the tweet from the Vatican.:The Vatican does not endorse or take a position in political campaigns. The Vatican in this article says despite Sanders' position on being pro-choice and in favor of same sex marriage it is OK FOR CATHOLICS TO VOTE FOR BERNIE.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3001820/bernie-sanders-looking-presidential-after-meeting-pope-francis-in-rome-supporter-say/

[Geronimoe]

213. Hillary campaign supporters throws mud at the pope

The difference between Trump and Hillary supporters is becoming less clear.

[azmom]

214. Catholics for Bernie!!!

Viva el papa y viva Bernie!

[JoFerret]

217. And the truth Berns. All that way for a handshake

"As I was leaving Sen. Sanders was there" #ShameOnBernie for stalking and ambushing #PopeFrancis #Popegate

[JoFerret]

218. This #PopeGate stunt ...

is campaign bumbling and ineptitude at its worst. Who let Bernie walk into this buzz saw? Does anyone know?

[JoFerret]

222. I trust Pope Francis on this one

What a fraud and a liar!

Yes he ran across him. In passing. And shook his hand.

Pope Francis has what i think is the accurate account of how he treated a pushy American tourist with courtesy.

Another version would be that Bernie the Stalker ambushed the Pope and shook his hand.

[cui bono]

231. Good. Here's what your trusted Pope Francis said about people like you:

Pope Suggests Critics of Sanders Meeting 'See a Psychiatrist'

http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.714722?utm_source=dlvr.it



.

[JoFerret]

227. Bernie lied

or at least stretched the truth with this one.

Who led him down this path?
Who pays for it?

[FailureToCommunicate]

232. For all your frothing about this terrible thing Bernie did, you have my pity, farewell.