Donald Trump Accused of Rape and "Depraved Sex Acts" in Civil Lawsuit

[big_dog]

Source: The Palm Beach New Times APRIL 29, 2016 12:59

In a lawsuit filed in the federal court in the Central District of California, a plaintiff filing under the name Katie Johnson accuses Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein of having forced her to "engage in various perverted and depraved sex acts" and threatening to harm her and her family. The complaint states that the defendants committed "forcible rape" against her in 1994, when she was 13. The lawsuit describes four incidents with Trump: On the first, Johnson claims, she had to "manually stimulate" Trump with her hand until he ejaculated. On the second, she had to "orally copulate" him until orgasm. On the third, she allegedly had to "engage in an unnatural lesbian sex act with her fellow minor and sex slave, Maria Doe." The suit claims both girls "orally copulated" Trump at once, after which he pushed them away and berated their "poor" performance.

On a fourth incident described in the suit, Johnson claims Trump tied her to a bed and raped her in a "savage sexual attack" during which she pleaded for him to wear a condom but he refused. The suit alleges he struck her in the face, and when she asked through tears what would happen if she were pregnant, he allegedly threw money at her and told her to "get a fucking abortion." Epstein is a disgraced Palm Beach money manager who was accused of engaging in sexual acts with underage girls. Following his criminal case, in which he took a plea deal and served 13 months of an 18-month sentence, alleged victims filed civil suits that accused Prince Andrew.

The suit says that Epstein and Trump also got full body massages from the underage girls, and that they argued over who would take Johnson's virginity, with Trump yelling at Epstein that he was a "fucking Jew." It says that Epstein tried to sodomize her and became enraged upon learning Trump had taken her virginity. The lawsuit says that Johnson was told she and her family would face "certain death" if details of the incidents were revealed. It says that a woman named Tiffany Doe worked for Epstein as a "party planner" and arranged the sex parties, and that she would testify as a witness.

http://images.browardpalmbeach.com/media/pdf/donald_trump_sex_lawsuit_complaint.pdf

Read more: http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/donald-trump-accused-of-rape-and-depraved-sex-acts-in-civil-lawsuit-7750717

[hedda_foil]

1. Isn't this the same Epstein who flew Bill Clinton around the world?

[JonLeibowitz]

4. Yes, that one.

[NWCorona]

49. Isn't that a coincidence

[roguevalley]

58. this has been known for a while as a topic that trump won't touch and it will likely drag bill in.

Pedo shit. I hope everyone involved burns including Prince andrew

[LiberalArkie]

5. Looks like the same creep.

[Jack Rabbit]

9. Yes, it is

The claim is that he flew President, Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker to Africa in September 2002 to support Clinton's anti-AIDS efforts. If there's any more to it than that, it didn't come out, so we should assume there is nothing.

Nevertheless, Epstein has done prison time for soliciting underage girls.

[catnhatnh]

39. Uh oh-there's more than that on the wayback machine...

over a dozen flights and a known young lady for 5 aids flights:

http://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971

"Clinton shared Epstein's plane with Kellen and Maxwell on at least 11 flights in 2002 and 2003—before any of the allegations against them became public—according to the pilots' logbooks, which have surfaced in civil litigation surrounding Epstein's crimes. In January 2002, for instance, Clinton, his aide Doug Band, and Clinton's Secret Service detail are listed on a flight from Japan to Hong Kong with Epstein, Maxwell, Kellen, and two women described only as "Janice" and "Jessica." One month later, records show, Clinton hopped a ride from Miami to Westchester on a flight that also included Epstein, Maxwell, Kellen, and a woman described only as "one female."

[glinda]

43. eeeew

[NWCorona]

50. But did Bill land on that island tho

[roguevalley]

59. sex slaves on his island and Bill stayed there. bill is a jackass

[840high]

13. Very same one.

[bkkyosemite]

31. If true oh shit

[world wide wally]

115. "Trump rapes underage girls" is desperately turned into an anti-Hillary thread?

I think this smacks of desperation. And don't even pretend there is no difference between Trump and Hillary.

[99th_Monkey]

137. Yes. It's called a "back-fire"

As I've said elsewhere, I think it's interesting how the fact that both Bill Clinton
and Trump have Epstein connections

This sort of insulates both Hillary and Trump from Epstein ever becoming an issue
in the GE, if Hillary wins the nominee. It's like a "mutually assured destruction"
Mexican stand-off.

[world wide wally]

138. Of course, it's all "her" fault

[kerry-is-my-prez]

171. And let me guess ---- somehow Kevin Bacon is also linked to them. Six degrees of separation.

[hedda_foil]

179. The only one it helps is Cruz, which is why I'm betting the source is his campaign.

Plus, who wants to get back at Trump for the Inquirer story about his multiple supposed mistresses?

[Hekate]

161. Because Clinton Derangement Syndrome knows no bounds

I don't think I would have stayed married to a cheater, but it's not my life and not my marriage. The Clintons seem to have worked out their public travails privately; it was always a marriage of equal intellects and equal ambitions, and he seems genuinely proud of Hillary and her accomplishments.

By the same token, NOT ONE WOMAN who had sex with Bill Clinton ever claimed to be below the age of consent. He likes 'em all grown up and willing, as far as anyone has ever reported.

This is sick stuff and will be lapped up by Clinton haters both left and right.

[shenmue]

183. They're losing. This is all they have time to do.

[JoFerret]

184. Moonbats-on-Mars: Says a lot. Quite pathetic

And that original story -- looks like a Moonbats-on-Mars source. And 911-was-caused-by-Cheney-farts kind of story.

[Jitter65]

145. Well, stick to the OP. Everything can't be Hillary's fault. This will go no where...I hope.

Because I want Trump to be the GOP candidate.

[morningfog]

177. You hope it goes nowhere? Do you think the woman is lying?

[George II]

146. And that is relevant how??????

[beastie boy]

164. It is. What of it? Any accusations leveled against Bill? No?

Then you must be fond of guilt by association. Very adult of you.

[certainot]

168. epstein sounds like a standard CIA guy getting blackmailable

video and info on prominent americans

[vkkv]

2. Figures.. TRUTH will OUT, eventually...

Not a big surprise now is this info?

[bjobotts]

18. Even the GOP would like this to bring him down

[Beaverhausen]

22. Slick willy?

Welcome to DU.

[bkkyosemite]

32. And they seem to be friends Clintons and Trumps

[pandr32]

108. Why? Because they got invited to his wedding?

So did a whole lot of people who were well known.

Wait and see the two of them debate. You will see that they are not friends at all.

[Kelvin Mace]

110. It isn't being invited to a slimy bastard's wedding that makes a person look bad

it is ACCEPTING the invitation.

[pandr32]

111. Tell that to more than 400...

politicians, journalists, celebrities, and performers. Also, the streets were lined with thousands of people.
Donald Trump also wrote a $100,000 check for the Clinton Foundation to help with philanthropy like getting clean water and birth control to poor villages in Africa. Of course he now says "I told Hillary to be at my wedding, and she came to my wedding. She had no choice because I gave to a foundation."

I do agree he is "slimy" though.

[Kelvin Mace]

114. Again, the fact that everyone has a price doesn't shock me,

just how low the price is.

[pandr32]

118. So that is what you boil it down to?

Maybe you've been watching too many Godfather movies.

[Kelvin Mace]

121. Most politicians can be bought off

for tens of thousands of dollars. The bigger named ones for hundreds of thousands. I can't think of anything less than a gun to my wife's head would make me attend a Trump wedding, write a letter for Denny Hastert, or have any dealings of any kind with Dick Cheney of Henry Kissinger.

On the voter's end it is even worse. Simply putting a "D" after your name is enough for far too many people on this board.

[pandr32]

139. You leave no room for high profile people

merely extending social courtesies. All societies have traditions that include them, and at at every level of the hierarchical ladder.
Sorry, your smears are just smears.

[Kelvin Mace]

143. Sorry, but in my life, I draw the line at extending

''Social Courtesies" to vile humans like Trump, Bush, Cheney, Kissinger, etc.

[dixiegrrrrl]

3. Some of the details of his boorish anger sound like him.

Why did she wait till now, I wonder?

[hedda_foil]

8. At a guess, Cruz is fighting back.

[Jack Rabbit]

14. That's possible

However, I doubt that Senator Cruz is the only enemy in the world Trump has made.

[agracie]

45. Think about it. All at once this Trump scandal pops up - just as the heat is getting turned up on ..

...Bill. Are the Clintons paying this woman to come forward ? Are they throwing the Donald under the bus in the worst way possible ?

[Jack Rabbit]

47. That's possible, too

I'm sure there are many possibilities.

[roguevalley]

60. bill will go too. this smells like conservative fat cats. they will bag everyone. watch them all

Crush that girl. Tapes exist apparently.

[Reter]

97. Hell no

Epstein flew Bill around the world in his jet. He wouldn't touch this story.

[Fresh_Start]

126. Why did Anita Hill wait ?

because you try to forget and survive...until something more important happens that you need to react to.

[Kber]

15. Fear.

[snagglepuss]

56. This story about Epstein is I believe atlast 5 years old. Maybe she

needed to wait to convince other women to come forward?

[Equinox Moon]

6. Shouldn't the details be kept within the suit and not public?

I would think an actual civil case would not have the full details out in the open for the public and perpetrators to know. I am not a lawyer, but it doesn't seem very smart to give away all the details, until it is over.

I believe he could do something like this. He has the character for it.

[pnwmom]

12. It's a civil suit. It doesn't have to be kept private unless a judge orders it to be. n/t

[99th_Monkey]

24. There's a thing called "discovery", which I believe would apply in this case

where the press or anyone really can file a request for records and documents or
other evidence.

Disclaimer: Actually I'm not totally certain of this, that it would apply here, and the
details of how discovery works.

[99th_Monkey]

34. Please enlighten me

I said I wasn't certain; but so far you haven't added anything
to the conversation but baseless insults

[Equinox Moon]

37. Never mind

You did not understand.

[RiverNoord]

78. I hate to do this, but...

I'm a lawyer, and discovery doesn't work that way at all.

Discovery is a process by which a party in a lawsuit may demand material, information, whatever might be in the possession of the adverse party that might tend to yield evidence in favor of the positions in the lawsuit of the party making the discovery request.

Outside parties have no rights whatsoever to participate in discovery.

If a woman is seeking damages as a consequence of a claimed sexual assault, in a civil court setting, that woman might be able to demand, say, a forensic inspection of the area where the alleged assault took place, to be conducted by an expert that the court deems competent on the subject, a diary that the claimant has reason to believe might contain relevant references, etc. And the opposing party could make discovery demands such as, oh, telephone bills that might indicate that the claimant was in a telephone conversation with a friend at the same time that the alleged assault took place.

Also, courts only have power to enforce discovery requests made against parties themselves. Other procedures exist for parties to obtain any form of potential evidence from third parties. However, in civil court, third parties are generally not obliged to provide any such evidence to a party, except under very unusual circumstances.

So discovery is all, and only, about what the parties can demand from each other.

[99th_Monkey]

81. No problem. Thanks for the info. Very helpful. n/t

[Ghost Dog]

10. Sounds credible. The Clinton angle too.

Protect that witness, and plaintiff(s).

Dirty...

[Jack Rabbit]

19. Don't get too excited

There is no Clinton angle, yet. There may be no reason to suppose there is.

[99th_Monkey]

28. Oh please. Clinton's involved up to his eyeballs according to many accounts

Republicans and conservatives have also taken a keen interest in President Bill Clinton's connections to Epstein, hoping to make trouble for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's presidential bid. Press reports have noted that Bill Clinton, as well as actors Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker, used Epstein's private 727 to travel to Africa in 2002 for a Clinton Foundation tour of AIDS-fighting and development work. Flight logs filed in connection with another lawsuit show at least 10 journeys by Clinton on Epstein's planes.

"I'd like to know what he was doing with Jeffrey Epstein, how many trips did he take, where was he going, what did he do when he was with this guy?' Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus told Bloomberg in March. "When you hang out with a guy who has a reputation like Jeffrey Epstein, multiple times, on private jets, on weekends, on trips, on places at least where it's been reported not very good things happen, it would be good to know what our former president was doing, especially because it appears he's going to be part of a campaign ticket on the other side of the aisle."

Last month, conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit demanding all Secret Service records pertaining to the costs of any trips Bill Clinton made to Epstein's private island in the Caribbean.

Spokespeople for Hillary Clinton's campaign, the Clinton Foundation and Bill Clinton did not respond to requests for comment.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/07/judge-unseals-more-details-in-jeffrey-epstein-underage-sex-lawsuit-210065

[Beacool]

65. Sorry to have to disappoint you.

'I never slept with Bill Clinton': 'Sex slave' Virginia Roberts denies rumors she had tryst with former President

Alleged underage 'sex slave' Virginia Roberts has denied ever having sex with Bill Clinton in explosive new court filings which lay bare a host of debauched details about her alleged relationship with Prince Andrew and his friend Jeffrey Epstein.

In papers filed on Wednesday in Florida federal court, Roberts - referred to as Jane Doe No. 3 - gives sordid details about an alleged 11-person orgy with Prince Andrew in 2001 but denies ever having relations with the former president.

------
During the period that Roberts worked for Epstein he was good friends with Clinton, but she denies sleeping with him despite rumors to the contrary.

'I have seen reports saying or implying that I had sex with former President Bill Clinton on Little St James Island,' she writes in the filing.

The island, part of the the U.S. Virgin Islands, is owned by Epstein.

'Clinton was present on the island at a time when I was also present on the island, but I have never had sexual relations with Clinton, nor have I ever claimed to have had such relations. I have never seen him have sexual relations with anyone,' Roberts wrote.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2921218/I-never-slept-Bill-Clinton-Sex-slave-Virginia-Roberts-denies-rumors-relations-former-President-explosive-court-filings.html

[99th_Monkey]

85. What was Bill doing on an island crawling with 17 yo sex slaves & pedophiles in the 1st place?

This part is especially suspect:

"Clinton was present on the island at a time when I was also present on the island, but I have never had sexual relations with Clinton"

It rather reminds me of another infamous quote "I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman"

Her denial is about as believable as Bill's was.

[Beacool]

90. Yeah, because you were there, right?

Bill has been accused of many things, but not of having relations with a minor. Some of you seem to want to ascribe to him the worst kinds of behavior. This place has become as vile as a RW site.

[99th_Monkey]

129. If Bell hadn't been accused, then why did Ms. Roberts feel compelled to issue her denial?

Alleged underage 'sex slave' Virginia Roberts has denied ever having sex with Bill Clinton in explosive new court filings which lay bare a host of debauched details about her alleged relationship with Prince Andrew and his friend Jeffrey Epstein.

In papers filed on Wednesday in Florida federal court, Roberts - referred to as Jane Doe No. 3 - gives sordid details about an alleged 11-person orgy with Prince Andrew in 2001 but denies ever having relations with the former president.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2921218/I-never-slept-Bill-Clinton-Sex-slave-Virginia-Roberts-denies-rumors-relations-former-President-explosive-court-filings.html

[karynnj]

106. The story is bad enough as it is - Epstein is not someone you would want a President to be

friends with. However, as bad as Clinton's reputation is, he has never even been accused of anything like this - so why go there?

[99th_Monkey]

127. Wrong. Bill was "accused", but then the alleged victim claimed nothing happened with Bill

So it's not accurate to say Bill "has never even been accused of anything like this".

I am mainly raising a similar issue as you -- i.e. the unseemly nature of Bill hanging
our with the likes of Epstein in the first place.

[karynnj]

128. I admit that I did not follow the story all that closely

Is it correct that no woman/girl has accused Bill of anything here? Are the accusations those in this thread that he was on a plane that included 2 girls?

I agree Epstein is a completely unseemly person for anyone who values their own good name to hang with and I hope that Clinton has completely cut him off as a friend.

[Beacool]

133. Bill was mentioned because he was a friend of Epstein.

He was never accused by any victim of having had sex with them. What you choose to believe is irrelevant.

BTW, why do you keep bringing up Bill? This article is about Trump.

[beastie boy]

166. her court deposition, where perjury is punishable by law, is very much suspect. Mmm-kay...

Yeah, I totally see how your idle speculations trump that...

[99th_Monkey]

167. Bill Clinton's infamous denial was punishable by impeachment too. nt

[beastie boy]

170. What are you talking about?

Impeachment is not a verdict, it's a process. A process is not a punishment, unless you consider a show trial to be punishing. And, BTW, the process completely exonerated Clinton.

[synergie]

185. Well you mentioned he was on an AIDS fighting trip.

Set that hatred of the Clintons aside and try to figure out that your lurid RW fantasies are not based in reality. It reminds he of when you quoted right wingers and Reince directly, almost as if you were as believable as those guys when it came to making up nasty things about Clinton that had zero basis in reality.

[pnwmom]

20. This lawsuit makes ZERO mention of Bill Clinton. There is no Clinton angle. n/t

[99th_Monkey]

30. Please see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141432846#post28

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/07/judge-unseals-more-details-in-jeffrey-epstein-underage-sex-lawsuit-210065

[pnwmom]

46. If there was a real link they would have unearthed it long ago. And this lawsuit

also looks pretty fake, on second glance.

No attorney was involved in filing it and yet it reads like an attorney prepared it -- not some woman too poor to afford the filing fee. Plus the address given is to an empty house in foreclosure that never belonged to someone with her last name.

[greiner3]

52. Contrary to Hillary types;

She has not been FULLY vetted, so get over it.

[pnwmom]

54. No one has ever been more fully vetted, so get over it. n/t

[Pauldg47]

73. Hillary only hung w 'billy bob' only to become president. An average women would have left....

.... That creep years ago. Shame on her for accepting what went on in the white house. If he had raped Monica ( and maybe she was raped), Hillary would have still supported him.

What a women. Hillary is for Hillary and nobody else.

[pnwmom]

74. You got lost on the way to Free Republic. That's where the haters hang out. n/t

[Pauldg47]

79. Please reconsider voting another choice.....I'm more liberal and older than you think...

...I do more research than sitting around w quick responses like many. Vote for a women for prez, but please do not vote for this one.

This is not the right time. Do not vote for this one.......do not vote for this one.

[pnwmom]

83. Your insulting, sexist reference to her hanging with billy bob tells me all I need to about you. n/t

[Pauldg47]

140. Far from it. My choice is Bernie and if Elizabeth warren ran , she would be my choice.?..

...your banana republic statement was thoughtless.

[Pauldg47]

141. You mean the potential rapist? Give me a break...she needs to lose because of him! Go away!!

[Beacool]

94. Vote for Trump. He seems to be more your speed.

Democrats have spoken with their vote. Hillary will be the nominee and the haters can go and drown in their own bile.

[Pauldg47]

142. Your far from reality! You mean Monica Lewinsky exploited Billy? What's the matter with you??

[trudyco]

119. Maybe

But something like 75% of men have affairs and 50% of women? So having an affair or two isn't earth shattering anymore. Also, I suspect politicians do so more than other folks and more often. Part of their ego. So if Hillary decided to stay with her husband she would be in company with many more women than you think. She may really love him.

We don't know. Obviously Hillary has changed over the years, and to me not for the better. A lot of "the rules don't apply to me". But I don't presume to know what she feels about Bill. And they have been persecuted excessively by the right.

On the other hand, it is perfectly OK IMHO to question Bill's relationship to Epstein given that Bill has a history of affairs with much younger women. And it's OK to question Hillary on the ongoing FBI investigation. It is OK to question the Clinton Foundations funding and how much actually goes to charities, how much goes to pay the Clintons directly or indirectly, and whoever funded the foundation - did they influence any decisions of the SOS. This isn't persecution. This is getting to the truth and holding people in public office accountable.

Now if you want to gossip, then I want to know why Hillary wears outfits that look like Saudi Arabia or Mao China approved? They don't look good on her so what's with that? Very unpresidential looking. Gives off a bad vibe for women of power.

[pnwmom]

144. Hillary's clothing choices are "unpresidential looking"? LOLOLOL.

There has never been a woman President before. She gets to set the standard.

[maddiemom]

156. High Five! LOL

[Hekate]

181. Jesus, not the pantsuit critique again. Should she wear hats & gloves like Queen Elizabeth?

When I went to college we had a dress code that "girls," no matter the weather, had to wear skirts. It got changed, except for the College Librarian, who decreed that "girls" could not come into his domain in slacks or jeans, much less shorts. Women could be refused admittance into restaurants if they wore slacks, i.e. a pantsuit.

Give. Me. A. Break. Times have changed in the past 50 years. Where have all of you been?

Hillary Clinton dresses appropriately for her body shape, her age, and her station in life. She's an American. What the hell are you even talking about with the "Saudi Arabia" and "Mao China" shit? Hillary is running for POTUS, not Donald Trump's latest wife. She's interviewing for an executive position, and she has held executive positions, and I think she knows better than a bunch of kibitzers what looks presidential on a woman.

[Hekate]

182. This entire thread reads like Freeperville from beginning to end.I can't begin to express my disgust

From pedophilia to pantsuits -- Christ on a Trailer Hitch.

[Beacool]

91. Free Republic is to your right.

Did you get lost?

[Kip Humphrey]

112. yeah, just follow the arrow.

[Jitter65]

148. Sorry to disappoint you but the "average" woman stays with philandering husbands to keep the

family together or for economic reasons. Most women recognize that their spouses are not perfect and some women have their own affairs. But I think you already know that.

[billhicks76]

76. Careful Who You Defend

Epstein is Clinton's buddy. Bill was known to party with him. You think he didn't know when everyone else did? This sordid thing happens all the time amongst those too wealthy to care or feel inhibited by the law. It's a modern day Satryicon.

[pnwmom]

82. Rethugs have investigated every possible entanglement with Epstein, and come up with nothing.

And any time they try to hang Hillary with Bill's sins, they just increase her popularity. So good luck on that.

[billhicks76]

87. Hillary Wouldn't Let Bill Spoil THEIR Rise To Power

And if you really believe Bill did not know about Epstein's pedophilia when he partied with him just because there was no evidence of a crime between the two then you really can rationalize anything you need to.

[pnwmom]

88. Hillary is her own person, a former NY Senator and a Secretary of State.

Before she married Bill she was top of her class at Wellesley and among the first class of women ever admitted to Yale law school. If anyone was headed for the top, she was.

But I know you're a Hillary-hater who will always view her as a mere appendage of her husband.

[karynnj]

107. While she was a good enough student to get into Yale Law, she was not the one with the highest GPA

She gave the valedictory speech as the head of the Student government. (Just as Kerry gave the valedictory speech because he was the star debater/orator at Yale)

However, your case is actually BETTER made by the real facts - she was the elected leader at a school that accepted only very accomplished applicants. This is really demonstrates abilities linked to running for office and leading more than simply having the best grades.

However, it is also true that you can't ignore that she gained prominence - probably more than she would have had she married a person who became a brilliant judge or law professor - as Bill's wife. Stating that should not diminish her -- after all, it says something that she and Bill married.

[Beacool]

93. Yes, because only Hillary is ambitious.

Every other person who has ran for president only did it out the kindness of their hearts. Their only concern the well being of us, the little people. It's only Hillary who "craves power".

This site has become a cesspool. If I wanted to read crap like what you wrote I could go to any RW site.

[world wide wally]

117. +1000 ^

People are allowing their desperation to make this a RW site, even as they claim to be so leftist.
This is why Trump I'd targeting their votes.
I wonder if they ever think about what it will do to women, immigrants, and minorities if he gets into office.

[99th_Monkey]

135. I think it's interesting how the fact that both Bill Clinton and Trump have Epstein connections

Which sort of insulates both Hillary and Trump from that ever becoming an issue
in the GE, if Hillary wins the nominee. It's like a "mutually assured destruction"
Mexican stand-off.

[justiceischeap]

120. You're reasoning is all kinds of fucked up

For example, that guy in Cleveland, Ariel Castro, held those girls prisoner for years and was able to do so because every one thought he was a nice guy. They would never have guessed he had sex slaves imprisoned in his home. Contrary to popular belief, people don't always know what's going on in other people's bedrooms, homes, minds, etc. Look at kids that are molested for years and no one knows until someone comes forward. This happens all the time.

I'm not saying that Clinton didn't know, I have no way of knowing that... just like you have no way of knowing whether he knew or not... or should have known based on the fact that they're wealthy or they partied together.

Newsflash, not all wealthy people are evil or without morals and not all people are colluding to be evil or without morals.

[Scootaloo]

80. I dunno, pretty sure Obama's got her beat.

You're mistaking "Republicans making shit up about her and failing" with "being thoroughly vetted."

[karynnj]

130. I disagree

Hillary Clinton has yet to run against the Republicans. The vetting that she has had since the 1990s was as a Senator, where she was considered to be so well known there was little vetting and in the primaries against Sanders and Obama. Neither primary opponent really went against her with even the amount of attacks her campaign threw against them.

In fact, where she was vetted most may have been when Obama nominated her as Secretary of State. The results of that vetting was an agreement that limited things that the Clinton Foundation would do and speeches Bill Clinton would make internationally. The most ironic thing is that had Clinton scrupulously adhered to the agreement that both the President and the Senate sought, there would be no controversy over the potential conflicts of interest.

The saving grace for Clinton is that the Republicans do not have an acceptable candidate. Otherwise the wealth of baggage they could throw at a very thin skinned HRC would be devastating.

As to who has been vetted more - every nominee for President of either party in say the last 16 years. In the Democratic cases, there was less baggage to sort through and a lot more transparency - but that does not mean they were vetted less.

[trudyco]

116. That's really interesting - where did you find the information?

Can you provide a link?
thanks

[monmouth4]

16. This happened in '94 and Trump was in negotiations and zoning discussions re Mar-A-Lago. He and

Epstein were pals. He wasn't a solid Palm Beacher in those days but lived here and got to know the area and the "right people."..

[Ghost Dog]

38. Noted, thanks

for local info...

[bjobotts]

17. Certainly easy enough to believe

[pnwmom]

21. Florida has a delayed discovery rule for civil suits, which is why she can file this years later.

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/floridas-statute-of-limitations-of-sexual-abuse.html

[Dustlawyer]

36. And her statute of limitations didn't start until after she turned 18.

[Ghost Dog]

41. That would be correct. Youth.

And... This is a critical election at a critical point in (world history) time.

[LTG]

89. The statute should have run long ago.

If California's Statute of limitation allows filing up until the victims 25th birthday, assuming no issue of repressed memory or discovery of correlation between injury and sexual assault, the statute ran 10 years ago.

If she was 13 in 1994 then she turned 18 in 1999, which means she turned 25 in 2006. The suit is 10 years too late and shouldn't survive a motion to dismiss.

She is now 35 years old. That, and the extreme detail of the initial complaint, filed in California, at this point in the campaign make it highly implausible.

I doubt she'll ever come forward to further prosecute her case. It's all political smear.

[houston16revival]

23. As a parallel to the

Cosby case, how will they prove in a court of law something that happened
more than 20 years ago?

Witnesses, evidence, timelines, alibis ....

[braddy]

25. This could be big, Epstein and Trump have some history and a long friendship, but to date

no connection of Trump to the young girls.

[Turbineguy]

26. Now he'll win for sure.

Republicans love depraved sex acts.

[Jack Rabbit]

35. But normal people don't

It all depends on whether this has legs or is quietly settled.

[Ghost Dog]

42. Apparantly...

[Vogon_Glory]

27. These Accusations May Be Valid BUT

These accusations may be valid, but I think this person is more likely trying to play Paula Jones to the Donald's Bill Clinton. Lacking the right/wing propaganda machine's support and the Donald's penchant for ferocious counter-attacks, that would be a very dumb move on her part.

She'd better have valid grounds for complaint or she'll be envying people run over by freight trains.

[fred v]

33. Before I Clicked,

I thought one of his daughters might be the plaintiff! Both he and Cruz have daughter issues.

[AllyCat]

51. Blech

[awoke_in_2003]

61. Not to defend Cruz

but where did you see that Cruz has daughter issues? I know there is that video of him trying to kiss her on the cheek and she pulls back. That can be put down to a teenager who isn't where they want to be (out on the campaign trail) and having a little snit.

[2cannan]

71. Cruz's daughter is 7.

Ted Cruz's daughter refuses his kiss in cringeworthy video
http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/01/ted-cruzs-daughter-refuses-his-kiss-in-cringeworthy-video/

[awoke_in_2003]

86. My grandson is 6

I have tried to give him a kiss before going to work, to show I love him. He was mad at me for something silly, and pushed me away. We don't have grandparent issues, he was just a little pissed off about something at the moment. When I came home from work he was over it, and we played cars. Just because a child rejects their parent once, and is caught on video, doesn't mean Cruz is a pervert. He may be, but one incident doesn't prove it. We have awkward pics of him kissing his wife, too. As well as tons of awkward pics of politicians eating corny dogs.

[2cannan]

104. Oh, I agree with everything you say. I just wanted to

let you know she wasn't a teenager and to provide you with a link to the video. I'm also a firm believer in never trying to "force" or shame a child into kissing or hugging someone as parents sometimes try to do with their kids. I think kids need to learn early on that they get to decide who "touches" them and who they want to touch.

[awoke_in_2003]

124. Very true

But politicians always try to make themselves like the great family person. Sometimes the kids don't cooperate

[fred v]

72. She didn't pull back

She recoiled!

[waddirum]

178. Ted threatened to "spank" Hillary the same way

he spanks his young daughters.

[homegirl]

40. If it happened

the plaintiff will be able to describe Trumps' normally covered physical features.

[pnwmom]

44. It's probably fake. It wasn't filed by any lawyer and the claimant pleaded indigency,

but it reads an awful lot like a document prepared by a real lawyer.

And there's no one living at the address she claimed.

[sofa king]

64. What do you think of this?

https://www.google.com/#q=site%3A+maclaw.com+%22katie+johnson%22

Highly unlikely it's the same person, and this one was still busy working in this very month in an adjacent state, according to a couple of .pdfs I saw.

But a paralegal on her own could produce a professional-looking document such as the one linked in the OP above. Some might even go so far as to claim that there are many lawyers who could not produce such a document without a competent paralegal or personal assistant at hand.

Edit: Also, I just want to put this here, you know, because when this guy calls something a smear, it's like the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval for scandals. http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/donald-trump-sex-slave-rape-lawsuit-roger-stone-responds/

[pnwmom]

67. Interesting. I don't know what to think of that.

You are right that paralegals prepare many court documents themselves, so it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that a paralegal wrote the filing.

I know that RadarOnline and others are discrediting the lawsuit by saying that Epstein's little black book didn't contain her name. But twenty years later she could very likely have a different last name. So that doesn't prove anything either way.

Bottom line, though, I'm still skeptical . . . I would think a paralegal would have no trouble finding a lawyer to help her in a case like this.

But if it's true she'll have to come forward. So I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[sofa king]

69. Concur. Sceptical and waiting...

Right now there are a lot of forked tongues wiggling, but nobody has bitten yet.

[homegirl]

96. Time to spend a

few million of taxpayers dollars for a Congressional Committee investigation. Or call out that attorney who went after Bill Clinton.

[Volaris]

48. OK NOW it's General Election season lol.

It's not funny tho, and in all seriousness if this is legit this is going to be baaaaaddd.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

53. Hello Big Dog The Donald here !

Carly Fiorina that's who is behind this terrible terrible thing ,those lies .What does that woman do, I mean she jumps in bed with lie-n Ted and than what ,I'll tell you what ,she starts talking trash in the middle of their fling and Carly decides it is I the Donald who is some kind of a sex pervert.This thing Cruz and Fiorina cooked up isn't even National Inquire worthy,I mean really, how bad is that ? Even those tabloids find that far too outrageous ! If there was even one shred of truth to any of it ,I the Donald would be the rave of the supermarket tabloids ,but it just ain't happening ! Neither is Cruz and Fiorina and even less so at the dawn of the trumpathon MAYFLOWER !
Yes April showers bring on the trumpathon Mayflower !

Stay tuned, rocky roads ahead for lie'n Ted and that witchy woman Carly Fiornia ,ten times and again. And if Canada won't take Cruz back after I'm done ,he better get himself on the first commercial flight to mars.

The Donald here ,stay tuned ,great entertainment ahead !

[Chemisse]

55. While I certainly think Trump is capable of this - and more,

I think it is a scam.

The story has some false notes, like a 13-year old just about to be raped who has enough presence of mind to ask for a condom. That just doesn't ring true.

Also, the way it covered all the bases. Rape, abortion, anti-semitism, murder threats, beratement of women, and of course, child molestation. A made-to-order accusation.

[roguevalley]

62. or the truth. he groomed girls in mass quantities. even hrc says believe the victims. gonna be put

To the test, hrc. Again.

[agracie]

84. Doubtful she will pass the test...

[jwirr]

57. That makes two candidates with problems with the law. One

at least is being investigated and will either be exonerated or found guilty. The other is not being investigated but just sued for criminal activity.

But the point is we have NEVER had a campaign for the presidency like this before. It is not good.

[2cannan]

70. There's also the tRUMP univ fraud case. I read somewhere he

may be deposed sometime this summer. The two frontrunners and Denny Hastert! What is this country coming to?

[jwirr]

109. I think this is more a symptom of how much trouble this

country is in than it is about what the country has done. We the people need to get our act together and get rid of the idea that this kind of stuff is "just the way it is".

We have allowed the morals of this country to be pulled down into the dirt and we are the only ones who can start to change it back.

[Cassiopeia]

63. We deserve this.

We deserve the POTUS we're about to get.

sigh

[elmac]

77. This puss filled government has been festering for a long time now

it's a huge shit sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite.

[Orrex]

66. This will only strengthen his standing with his base.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

68. Chris Christie here folks

After having worked on the Bush campaign raising monies losing weight over it and knocking on a lot of doors ,as a reward I was anointed than became a certified bush fellow. 2 days before the 9/11 2001 assault on the country I was appointed US district attorney New Jersey and so you know full well I learned a little bit about the law.

And from what I know I can tell you I don't know who wrote that complaint up but what I can tell you is it appears to me some secretary wrote it up so, who do you know of that started out as a secretary ?

Now I showed this trash to Mary Pat and if you thought you saw her eyes roll back standing behind Donald Trump the other evening, than you should have seen her eyes roll back when she saw the bill of goods in mention.

No it wasn't Carly behind it, it was that secretary.

I asked the Donald if he wanted me to go punch Cruz in the face ,he said that won't be necessary.

[forest444]

75. Trump is starting to sound like the Emperor Tiberius.

Trumperius? (always better than Cruzigula, I suppose)

[salmannaseem07]

92. reply

oh really still i think he will won the coming election

[Duppers]

147. "will won"?

Bye now.

[dawn frenzy adams]

95. There is a pending lawsuit against the US Goverment over Epstein and his pedophile cases.

If Epstein had been properly prosecuted, he would have possibly received life. There were at least 40 victims confirmed by the FBI. However, Alan Dershowitz, Epstein's attorney, conspired with the U.S. Attorney, and got Epstein a slap on the wrist. In the deal, none of Epstein's co-conspirators would be prosecuted. No doubt Dershowitz was thinking of himself, since he has been named as one of the men, one of the victims, Virginia Roberts, had to have sex with.

There are people in the Alternative Media that have been covering this case since its inception. This is a far greater crime than what is occurring with Bill Cosby. This involves children. But because the Epstein scandal involves powerful people of both political parties, the Mainstream Media is not covering it. The pending lawsuit against the government is online. Virginia Roberts is the plaintiff.

Here is Ring of Fire's Mike Papantonio and Thom Hartmann explaining the lawsuit.

Here is a more thorough analysis.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-El2qydY1kxo/Uy1Z4qznfUI/AAAAAAAALnw/3jLfVXKGhfg/s1600/prince+andrew,+donald+trump,+alan+dershowitz,+george+mitchell,+bill+clinton,+jimmy+cayne,+jeffrey+epstein.jpg

[Helen Borg]

99. Yup!

[bemildred]

98. Well yes, as I said, I think it is going to be a very dirty election. nt

[Vinca]

100. Wow. Picking my jaw up off the floor.

Guess who's likely to be called as a witness? No wonder Bill's been looking green around the gills.

[complain jane]

101. I hate Trump

with the heat of a thousand suns, but I find this pretty far-fetched.

[no_hypocrisy]

102. I dunno . . . If it sounds too good to be true,

you know the rest.

[Duppers]

153. Read senz's links down thread.

Epstein is a convicted pedophile.

[no_hypocrisy]

160. Epstein is. Need more evidence to even entertain Trump as a participant.

It's almost an answer to a prayer, it's that good, but I can't accept it until there's testimony and evidence.

[sendero]

103. First of all...

... there needs to be a statute of limitations on civil actions as there are on criminal ones.

The credibility of a claim about something that happened over 20 years ago is inherently lacking.

[justiceischeap]

123. I was sexually assaulted as a young child

The grooming process started when I was in kindergarten (if not younger--but the first instance I can vividly recall was when I was in kindergarten) and the sexual aspects started when I was 8 or so and lasted until I was 11--which is when my family and I moved out of state. I didn't tell anyone for years... I finally got the courage to tell my parents when I was 20/21. The only reason I told them then was because the guy was coming to visit and I was still living at home at the time and didn't want to be in the same house with him. Or course, when I told them, they didn't believe me... because a) he'd never do that and b) I waited so long. Why I would ever make up something so horrific is beyond me but that's what they thought until several years later he was arrested, charged and convicted of molesting two other young girls.

So, as a survivor of sexual assault, I think the statute of limitations is too short--sexual assault just isn't taken seriously enough if this country. Also, there are a myriad of reasons why people don't come forward sooner but I think the overwhelming reason is posts like yours along with the shaming/blaming that goes along with being sexually assaulted. Why should I come forward if you're going to question my credibility? It happens often enough, that people refuse to come forward because, hey, who will believe them?

[mahina]

132. Just so sorry.

[justiceischeap]

162. Thank you

For the most part I'm okay with what happened but even 30 some years after the abuse ended I still have times when I have moments of feeling complicit in my own assault, as so often happens in cases like this. I've also suffered from depression my entire life and I don't know if that was inherited or because of what happened initially and then what happened later when I told my parents. It could be both.

But yeah, when I see stuff like what I replied to, it really pisses me off and puts me in a mood.

[dawn frenzy adams]

136. Well said.

And I'm so sorry for what you've been through. For some reason, the default position about these horrible crimes is to protect the predator. It is especially devastating when the parents of a victim do it.

[justiceischeap]

163. Thank you and I agree

I don't understand why that is the default reaction. I know there is a very, very small percentage of false reports but for the most part people that have been sexually assaulted don't want to talk about being sexually assaulted just because the prevailing attitude is like that of the person I replied to.

It really pisses me off that people call abuse/rape claims into question because it takes so long for some victims to come forward.

[Dalai_1]

105. K&R n/t

[Bayard]

113. Now wouldn't that be an interesting scenario?

Trump indicted for this, Clinton indicted for her emails. Bernie debating Cruz.

The mind boggles.

[trudyco]

122. Interesting - Kevin Spacey who is now portraying

A corrupt politician in House of Cards?
Maybe he was getting background information for his role. Or maybe he used what he knew about sleeze to get the role.
LOL.

Summers was connected to Epstein too?

Interesting. How do we disentangle ourselves from this corrupt relationship between Billionaires, Politicians , Justice system and the Media? Where did our watchdogs and justice go?

[senz]

125. This thread jogged my memory, so I did a DU search & found where I'd heard of this man.

On February 28, 2016, in a thread titled, In case you're wondering, Hillary Clinton, THIS is what a "super-predator" looks like, a commenter published a photo of Epstein that frightened me, and in the ensuing discussion the commenter told me a little about Epstein's connections to Bill Clinton and Trump.

The short discussion began here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=128934

And the commenter's explanation is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=128982

Edit: Here's where the commenter told me about Epstein's $3.5 million donation to the Clinton Foundation:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=129014

[polly7]

134. +1000. nt.

[Duppers]

149. Thanks, senz, for bringing attention to this disturbing photo..

The age difference stands out and look where his hand is! Omg. Sick predator!

As they say, "a picture is worth a thousand words."

And people want to criticize Bernie!!







I think I'm going to be sick.

[Reter]

173. And he has a hard-on

[Duppers]

150. And just now ck that last link.

Holyfuckingshit!!

http://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971




How could Hillary not know about this?


I have a word but it would get my post hidden.

[Kingofalldems]

159. I knew it was Hillary's fault!

Isn't she responsible for all bad things?

[olddad56]

131. This could have very possibly happened, but it will be swept under the rug..

or the victim will be discredited. Billionaires wear Teflon suits.

[kacekwl]

151. Enough with this crap,

When will someone reveal to all Trumps crooked business deals and the like. I'm sure there are a boatload to find.

[wendylaroux]

152. can't believe you have billy c pic along side that post title.

[EdwardBernays]

155. Pretty sure this is BS

Or at the very least it won't go anywhere.

One of the other people the victim listed as corroborating witness claims to never have met her or know her.

Like so many crimes the 1% commit we'll never know the truth about this... And if hanging out with Epstein makes you a pedophile then Bill Clinton has some explaining to do...

This is also worth mentioning:

https://news.vice.com/article/the-salacious-ammo-even-donald-trump-wont-use-in-a-fight-against-hillary-clinton-bill-clinton

[keithbvadu2]

157. Next they'll claim Trump was born in Kenya or Canada.

[yurbud]

158. there are some conspiracy theories that you wish weren't true, like using kids as honey pots

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Whoever indulges politicians' sexual twitches has platinum blackmail material, and until recently, it didn't get out by accident.

I wonder if this Epstein catch was a way to target some of his clients at the expense of the others, or if the internet age makes keeping secrets that debauched and toxic impossible anymore.

[billhicks76]

172. Nailed It

[Progressive dog]

165. Her name isn't in Epstein's black book,

according to the FBI, so it's pretty doubtful that suit has any merit.

[felix_numinous]

169. Bill Clinton was impeached people

for lying about having sex in the WH. Hillary has been caught lying so many times we cannot count. But keep defending them as if they are suddenly going to tell the truth now. People are so gullible I am speechless.

[olddad56]

175. a politician that tells the truth can not get elected. People don't want to hear the truth...

just ask Bernie.

[Reter]

174. I found a quote from Trump about Epstein from 2002:

"I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,'' Trump told New York magazine in a 2002 profile of Epstein written three years before Epstein began to be investigated. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

https://news.vice.com/article/the-salacious-ammo-even-donald-trump-wont-use-in-a-fight-against-hillary-clinton-bill-clinton

Wow, just wow. I believe the young woman.

[basselope]

176. A million reasons not to vote for Trump... but...

This just doesn't ring true... There would be SOMETHING else.. SOMEONE else over the many years Trump has been in the spotlight.

Pedophilies are almost always serial.

[doc03]

180. From what I have seen of Trump it sounds believable n/t

[harrose]

186. Now we have to get this converted into criminal charges....

... so we can put this slimeball away in prison for life, where he belongs.