Judge temporarily blocks removal of Confederate monument
Source: Associated Press
Judge temporarily blocks removal of Confederate monument
Updated 11:27 am, Monday, May 2, 2016
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) A judge has temporarily barred the city of Louisville from removing a 70-foot-tall Confederate monument from the University of Louisville campus.
Jefferson Circuit Judge Judith McDonald-Burkman signed a restraining order Monday morning forbidding the city from moving the 121-year-old obelisk honoring Kentuckians who died fighting for the Confederacy in the Civil War.
Mayor Greg Fischer and University President James Ramsey announced Friday that they would remove the monument, marking the latest government to reconsider its display of Confederate symbols following the massacre of nine black churchgoers in South Carolina last summer.
The Sons of Confederate Veterans and Everett Corley, a Republican running for Congress, filed for the restraining order on Monday. The judge scheduled a hearing for Thursday morning.
Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Judge-temporarily-blocks-removal-of-Confederate-7387719.php
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)IF they weren't virulent racists, what would they be?
PatSeg
(47,649 posts)I believe "haters" defines them and they are not happy unless they've found a target for their ingrained hatred.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Of all the things that drive movements like this, racism might make the top 5.
Barely...
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)It is only about racism...nothing else
TipTok
(2,474 posts)zazen
(2,978 posts)And decimating "communism" no matter what the human cost.
Why? We honor the veterans and dead while decrying the cause. They're not all racist, imperialistic, child-murdering monsters. The policies under which they were operating had that effect, but I don't believe the soldiers for the most part shared those values.
I suspect more Vietnamese children were murdered in our little "Conflict" in the 60s and early 70s than children during the Civil War, although of course the slavery the South was defending had led to much violence and suffering over the preceding centuries against Africans of all ages.
So this IS a lot more complicated than just calling these folks "racist." That's one factor of many.
Judi Lynn
(160,649 posts)Some of us are all ears, believe me.
Very interested in what fine other motivations there would be.
reACTIONary
(5,789 posts)..... a heritage of racism .
TipTok
(2,474 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)A lot of it is falls into the pride of southern culture. Very little of that was based around race in the modern age.
I know that it is difficult for some to see anything beyond the bad stuff but in the same way they only see the good stuff.
Which is something most people do. I can't think of any significant group or movement or whatever that doesn't have some ugly bits that the devoted gloss over.
Another is pushing back at authority. Which is a trait many on the left share.
Some is a feeling that erasing history is something to be avoided and removal of these sorts of things comes off as an attempt to sanitize the past.
Even the war itself was not black and white, pardon the pun, when it came to race. Lots of nasty racial policies in the north. Go look up what Lincoln said about 'the Negro' sometime and you'll realize that his decisions were motivated by politics and economics more than morals.
It's complex and nuanced and emotional but very little of it, in my experience, comes down to only a hatred of 'uppity n#######s'.
YMMV...
forest444
(5,902 posts)Anyone who lived in the Deep South for at least a couple of years can tell you that.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Involved with its removal.
Judi Lynn
(160,649 posts)in the Cancun Underwater Museum, where fish can hide and coral can grow:
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Chan790
(20,176 posts)Ultimately, nobody, including the judge, can stop them from removing it if they want it off their property. she can only order them to explore means of preservation. This is likely to allow those that want to keep it to find a new home for it.
Personally, I hope they fail. I also hope the city decides that the best removal method would be to strap a belt of dynamite around it and blow it to Hell.