President Obama’s Message to Bernie Sanders: ‘Everybody Knows’ Delegate Math
Source: ABC
As Bernie Sanders pledges to take his presidential campaign all the way to the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia this July, President Obama appeared to imply that Sanders' efforts are all but over even if he wont explicitly call on Sanders to drop out.
Asked whether he believes the Vermont senator should end his campaign given the current delegate count, he replied, I think on the Democratic side, just let the process play itself out. You mentioned the delegate math. I think everybody knows what that math is.
According to ABC News estimates, Hillary Clinton has 2,205 delegates compared to Sanders' 1,401 delegates.
Nevertheless, Obama commended Sanders for an extraordinary job raising a whole range of issues that are important to Democratic voters.
Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obamas-message-bernie-sanders-delegate-math/story?id=38932152
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)That time will never show up for Sanders.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)delegates needed to close this and his comments are bs. He's only worrying about his legacy, not what's best for the country. He dislikes HRC as much as everyone else. She's covered his administration in corruption that's going to be part of the history written about it. ACA will be over with single payer and that's his great legacy. He should stay the hell out or endorse. Otherwise, he only makes me angry.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Yes, I sure Pres Obama whispered in your ear and told you all this crap and that's why you feel the obligation to share his TRUE and REAL feelings with the rest of us. I thought we had enough of the pathetic going on but apparently some of you aren't done yet. Go get angry. Nobody cares.
mcranor
(92 posts)You guys all smell alike. Are you just one person?
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)Clinton's pledged and superdelegate count already put her way over the top.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)When she has a majority of the elected delegates, let me know.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)and cannot hide it with your obfuscations.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I don't even know what the superdelegate count is at this point. And, no, I'm not interested in knowing.
Mind read much?
https://m.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)I call bs. It is the only thing on your mind when you are posting about it. I don't need to be a mind reader to know that because I can read your posts. Try reading your own posts, and you will see where people are getting the idea that you are thinking about the superdelegates and their count. I'd advise you stay away from a poker table.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)As you are welcome to be of your own.
I will say that if you are under the impression you're helping your candidate, you're certainly not with me. I try not to let other people push me into doing the opposite of what they want rather than what I want, but sometimes it's sure tempting.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)be the judge of them. They are full of bs. And yes, I will be the judge of deciding what I think about your posts and your deep insincerity in your motives. If I didn't want to judge your posts, I'd put you on ignore.
And I know that I have none to little influence over you, and I'm fine with that. But when someone trots along and says "I don't care about 'x'", I find that to be bullshit.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)beastie boy
(9,423 posts)In the mean time, in hopes of expanding your interests, I would like to let you know that she leads in pledged delegates, superdelegates and popular vote by increasingly prohibitive margins.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)beastie boy
(9,423 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Needless to say, my opinion is different.
Dunno what your aim is here, come to think of it. If it's to contribute to lowering my opinion of a particular group of Hillary supporters, you have succeeded.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)I tend not to respond to people that just signed up last month and only write condescending posts
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)What's CTR? (I mean, in more detail than what's all too obvious from the context?)
I'm just kinda interested in knowing who pays people to be jerks. If I really needed the money, I could do that.... ;->
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)They recently infused $1million to create an online "presence" with people like Beastie Boy here to "defend" Hillary and basically cause a nuisance, because she's so inevitable ya' know.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Not saying anyone is or isn't a shill, but if this is the kind of thing real ones are doing, then what on earth do they think they're accomplishing? I can understand undermining your candidate for free (people can have odd notions of what's effective), but I hope nobody's *paying* for stuff like this.....!
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)Math must also be a paid Hillary shill, right?
I guess I should apologize for lowering your opinion of a particular basic science...
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)If you are confident that you're accomplishing what you want to accomplish, then by all means carry on.
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)accomplished.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)There are those who might have a chance of influencing my opinion (about anything, not just whatever the topic was here). You are not one of them.
I will say that I will form my own opinions, tempting as it is to go directly against yours. But that's me, not any influence of yours.
"Conversation" over on my end.
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)It's too late for me, but there is always hope that the rules of math will change eventually.
Good night.
Lucky Luciano
(11,258 posts)beastie boy
(9,423 posts)I hated it all the way through grade school.
Lucky Luciano
(11,258 posts)Doesn't change the fact that you are being an asshole.
Bernie should stay in and keep pounding away at his agenda.
I know this will be hidden - oh well!
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)Then I felt pity for the mathematician who has issues with math.
Did I ever say Bernie should drop out? No. All I was commenting on was a certain poster being in denial of a certain basic science.
And now it appears this affliction is contagious. What is it with Bernie supporters and numbers? Not even PhDs in math are immune!
Lucky Luciano
(11,258 posts)Probability if Bernie taking it is very low...but he should keep pounding away nevertheless.
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)That issue. Just a reminder, you called me an asshole over it. So now you tell me you have no issue over my post and you insulted me for nothing?
That's not very nice for an educated gentleman/lady like yourself!
Oh, that reminds me... being a PhD in math, could you do a quick calculation based on the lead in pledged delegates, superdelegates and popular vote Hillary enjoys, of Bernie's odds to win the nomination?
If you can't find the exact numbers online, I will oblige, just let me know.
Lucky Luciano
(11,258 posts)Glad to see Bernie keep poking his finger in the eyes of the establishment though. Hope he keeps doing it after she beats trump.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)If that's what certain of them mean to accomplish, they succeed.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)And Hillary will have a hard time getting Hillary's votes.
The insults thrown at Bernie voters will backfire. I talk to a lot of Bernie supporters.
Trump is bad, but based on the polls, if we nominate Hillary, it will be harder to defeat Trump.
This election is about the trade agreements, corruption, jobs and other economic issues.
Hillary and Bernie agree on social issues. So if voters want Bernie's ideas to prevail on economic issues, they are highly unlikely to vote for Hillary. Hillary is extremely weak on economic issues. Bill Clinton's bills made a mess of our economy. The extreme privatization that the Democratic Party has silently and sometimes loudly accepted since 1980 has not worked out well at all resulting in a very out-of-date infrastructure in our country.
It will be a crying shame if Clinton is our nominee even if she wins the White House through her scare tactics. I do not want another year of Kissinger's foreign policy.
So Feel the Bern!
California has yet to vote. I'm out there campaigning. And Bernie has a good chance to win a lot of delegates in California.
Change is coming. Like it or not.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)I think PO left himself a little hole between Hill and Bernie. He did give Bernie a little compliment there.
appalachiablue
(41,171 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)
that O said Bernie should not drop out.
The WH is not Bernie's only goal, whereas it is HRC's only goal.
greymouse
(872 posts)you got that right.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)I agree with Obama. Bernie's has done an extraordinary job raising issues and we need to let the process play out.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)from over.
Uncle Joe
(58,417 posts)President Obama just acknowledged present tense math while also stating to "let the process should play itself out."
It sounds to me like President Obama just stated that Bernie should run so long as he can whether it be until Washington D.C. has held its vote or the convention.
Hillary simple doesn't have those delegates cited in the OP, super delegates can't vote until the convention, so ABC is misleading with this article.
Thanks for the thread, Cali_Democrat.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,240 posts)everybody knows what that math is".
Last edited Fri May 6, 2016, 06:06 PM - Edit history (2)
... it's GWB's "math death."
Sorry... edited because I stumbled over my words/typed too fast.
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)Everybody knows what the delegate math is, yet Obama wants Bernie to go on humiliating himself with more crazy talk about a "path to victory"!
C'mon, Mr. President, just because Bernie is losing, there is no need to kick him on his way out!
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)won't. No one knows math around here. They just want to undermine Bernie's support, you know, the love and support that HRC doesn't have and never will. Sad all around
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)of the delegates just to get even with Hillary.
Hey, you're right, no one knows math around here. But I am with Obama: let Bernie duke it out with the math!
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... there's allot of things I've been mad at PO about, but I would never ever call him a "sadist." PO didn't kick Bernie, as you wish he had.
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)No, Obama didn't literally kick Bernie, nor would I wish he did, but... Everyone knows what the delegate math is, but keep on running, Bernie!
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... I see hope in you. A small ray of hope.....
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Bernie came to the Correspondents Dinner and President Obama was very complimentary of him there too.
appalachiablue
(41,171 posts)beastie boy
(9,423 posts)Everybody knows what the delegate math is.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)That's why Obama endorses both of them
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)Nor would I expect him to. A top dog getting into a catfight is not very dignified.
And I can't honestly say Bernie has been helpful to me. So I will follow the sizable majority of the Democratic voters and reserve my gratitude, if you don't mind.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)greymouse
(872 posts)that's the guy who claimed liberal policies and just about the first thing he did was appoint Rahm Emanuel, wasn't it, who called us fucking retards?
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... don't get us started! Politics is a bitch. And Bernie is running an active rambunctious campaign. He is no where near stopping. My son got to attend one of his rallies the other day, and he said everyone to a person in that room was HAPPY. Vibes & energy were so high in that Hall, you could cut them with a knife.
It's a new day, greymouse. Keep the faith. GOTV. This ain't a time to look back so much as it is to put the peddle to the metal. If you can't get out, then donate to Bernie's election fund.
Go Bernie!
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)You know a certain disastrous trade agreement, for example.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)How does that make you feel?
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)"Wide agreement" was a good one.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)But there is no real advantage to Sanders folding his tent now and letting his organization scatter in the winds if they are to be leveraged in the general election. There is no energy to be transferred then.
thesquanderer
(11,992 posts)And since Trump is the "more" unelectable, I expect it to be Clinton.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)This election is going to hinge on GOTV, yet will feature both parties struggling a disaffected and indifferent activist base. Clinton will bring out the boomers who have been with her and Bill for the last quarter century and the reliable minorities in many states that aren't really competitive either way. Nobody knows how much riff-raff is going to show up for Trump in the general election or if there is a "silent majority" among Republicans who really are ready to vote for Trump.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)And so it is.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)This election, as I said, is about the environment, wealth inequality, jobs and trade policy as well as student loans, regulating Wall Street, child care stopping the wars and universal healthcare.
Obama has not delivered what most Americans want in terms of those policies. Hence, we have two strong candidates in Sanders and Trump who offer change in the Obama policies in those areas.
Everybody in the Democratic Party likes Obama. It's the policies of his administration that a lot of people really don't like. Hillary and the establishment Republican candidates represent those failed policies.
The majority of the country if you include both Trump and Sanders supporters, while embracing very different solutions to those problems, are avidly and vociferously rejecting Obama's and Hillary's ideas on them.
So that is why I say that the successes of both Trump and Sanders are critiques of Obama's policies in those areas.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)in favor of Hillary.
Hillary is leading him by 3.1 million votes and 300 pledged delegates.
A far larger margin that Obama had over Hillary in 2008.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Wait until California votes.
Over four million people voted in the California primary in 2008.
Over two million each for Obama and Hillary.
Hillary won California that year, but from what I am seeing on the street, Bernie is doing extremely well. It may just be the areas that I go to. We shall see.
I think Bernie is going to get a lot of raw votes in California and Oregon, possibly in other states yet to vote.
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/CA.html
Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
And remember. The Republicans have finished their primary season pretty much, so they may turn up the heat in Congress. I would not count that one out.
This year is about the unexpected.
I will still be surprised if Trump is allowed to take the Republican nomination.
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)I waited until Pennsylvania voted.
I guess I can wait until California votes.
Cher
zentrum
(9,865 posts)..his electoral math comment was O saying that he did not think Bernie should drop out.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)count. That will only be decided at the convention.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)pledged or otherwise.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Those who have political knowledge understand...
NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)lol
Pro TPP Obama disses the anti TPP candidate.
No shitttt
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)Anti-gun Obama dissing pro-gun candidate.
See, it works both ways!
I really don't see any point in taking a single issue and making broad conclusions based on it.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)pro tpp = screwing people out of their jobs.
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)The "guns don't kill people" bullshit is too old and tired to be taken seriously.
Anyway, you missed my point completely. I gave you an example of how easy it is to point to a single issue and make broad-based judgements of character based on it. A pretty lame and lazy way of making an argument.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)But you trying to paint being pro gun as being a bad thing, while disregarding pro TPP isn't very helpful.
Gun's DO kill people. The mere presence of them exacerbate violence where it would not normally exist.
Surprise, surprise, BOTH of our candidates support gun control. Bernie is as "pro gun" as Hillary is. Neither of them want to ban guns all the way. That attack against Bernie is so dumb when you consider how similar Hillary and Bernie are on the issue.
And another surprise, allowing people to sue manufacturers for gun violence would not stop gun violence, bring victims back, prevent further gun violence or anything of the sort. It's a feel good idea to sue the gun manufacturers. They make weapons. Weapons maim and harm people. Suing them would not break their bank. It wouldn't even hurt them. It wouldn't control the output of guns basically.
Guns shouldn't be distributed haphazardly, and that's what gun control is about. But they're not going to be removed from our culture. Guns are far too ingrained within our nation.
ETA: And regarding the broad based judgments of character based on one policy? TPP does not define Obama. His turned back on the left defines Obama. He's done a lot of good for our nation. I'm happy about that. But he said "Hope and Change" would happen. He turned his back on Occupy. And kept hush about wall st. That's how we define Obama.
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)He, like the majority of Americans who voted for him twice, is a mainstream Democrat. He never turned his back on us. He may have disappointed you, but that does not create in me or Obama a sense of obligation. Like it or not, you have little say in defining the Democratic party. You are on its fringes, like "blue dog" or Reagan Democrats.
And, I regret to inform you, when it comes to the big picture, you don't have much say in defining Obama.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)lol
Yes I can.
And that's sad that you think the party dictates what it is and not it's members. Really sad. It's as if you believe in allegiance factions over democracy or something.
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)It may be a batshit crazy opinion, but I will be the first one to defend your right to it!
...While we are on the subject of batshit crazy, would you care to explain how the majority of party members are not its members, and how the party is not defined by its majority?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)It's batshit crazy for stating the fact that Obama promised to make things happen to thousands of grassroots activists, then turned his back on them as soon as he got the job?
uh ok. I get it.
beastie boy
(9,423 posts)Ignoring millions of grassroots activists who got things happening thanks to Obama, and probably not even being aware of those millions of grassroots activists who worked their asses off to elect him... yeah, it is...
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)coffeeAM
(180 posts)fred v
(271 posts)But when all the primaries are over, I hope he'll see the writing on the wall and drop out, for the good of the country.