The Latest: Wyoming splits delegates 7-7 to Clinton, Sanders

[riversedge]

Source: AP



May 28, 2016 10:49 PM

The Latest: Wyoming splits delegates 7-7 to Clinton, Sanders

The Associated Press



CHEYENNE, Wyo.


Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' supporter Richard Kusaba, a land surveyor from Kemmerer in southwest Wyoming, is leading the effort to challenge how pledged delegates were split 7-7 despite Sanders reportedly winning the popular vote. He said the state party's decision to accept the challenge and forward it to the Democratic National Committee defused animosity that was building ahead of the convention.
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Party chairwoman Ana Cuprill said they agreed to accept the challenge in order to seek clarity at the national level. Cuprill, a super delegate, declined to name who she will support at the convention but said she will support whomever has the most pledged delegates.

Kusaba has 15 days to draft his challenge and gather enough signatures from registered voters.

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[herding cats]

1. Please, add a headline to your post.

This is what should be there: "The Latest: Wyoming splits delegates 7-7 to Clinton, Sanders"

Thank you.

ETA: I'm sorry, I use the homepage to follow news headlines and noticed this. I'm not being a jerk, it's just your post is less likely to reach your intended audience as it is.

I know it's extremely difficult to tell a jerk from a person trying to be a civil, helpful type these days. I'm just trying to be clear about my intentions.

[riversedge]

3. my mistake. time

to get some sleep. Thanks for heads up.

[herding cats]

4. .

No harm done! I just was trying to help.

I'm off to bed myself. Sleepy and posting on DU terrifies me these days. One sleep deprived induced error and you've plethora of hate messages to wade through the following day!

[riversedge]

28. isn't that the truth and thanks

[Thinkingabout]

2. Thanks for sharing.

[840high]

5. Thanks.

[JDPriestly]

6. New York Times showed Bernie won the caucus by a lead of over 12 percent.

Hillary has been awarded too many delegates. That is shockingly unfair
And if that includes superdelegates, illustrates how unfair the existence of superdelegates is.

[Chicago1980]

7. It's not shockingly unfair...

It's the rules of the game.

If you don't know how to play and organize, you don't win

I guess those few extra delegates would put him that much closer to still not winning.

[ReRe]

8. I'll give it to you, Chicago 1980...

... you are the master of snide.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

13. How would he have run a country if he couldn't navigate

through the varying details of state by state primaries?

Can't keep crying "unfair" as your foreign policy strategy.

Oh wait, that's exactly what Dangerous Donald does....

So much technique in common, those two ~

[Gore1FL]

15. How would Hillary run the country if she can't navigate simple data security?

We can ask questions like this all day. I am not sure what good it does, however.

[JoePhilly]

21. What did did she lose ... please be specific.

[Gore1FL]

35. Does anyone read past the title? nt

[JDPriestly]

55. She did not turn in one of her e-mails to the State Department when she left.

That's based on the Morning Joe clip with Andrea Mitchell.

The question is whether she was trying to avoid dealing with the Public Records Act requirements.

This makes her look even less trustworthy than she looked before. And now she also looks sneaky.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

23. Data security?

Did she have data breaches?

Yeah, no.

And she's not the candidate who's spent countless hours complaining.

[riversedge]

29. Well, we know that the BS crowd-many of them love to loss out RW smears.

[Gore1FL]

34. Does anyone read past the title? nt

[Gore1FL]

33. Does anyone read past the title? nt

[Chicago1980]

30. She did navigate data security by not being breeched like the State Department.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

31. Fair point n/t

[Gore1FL]

32. Does anyone read past the title? nt

[mdbl]

39. Does no good

but makes them feel superior so they can sleep better I guess.

[reACTIONary]

40. Bernie seems to know how to....

.... "navigate data security" As soon as the voter records were insecure he started navigating.

[Gore1FL]

41. Does anyone read past the title? nt

[reACTIONary]

44. I think it's a good qustion to ask.....

..... how would he be able to run a country based on the rule of law iwhen he is continually and conviently finding out the rules are "rigged" after the fact?

Does he ever say "i made a mistake"? Maybe he does, but what I remember is him doing is suing.

His modus operandi seems to be to incite waves of what might be called "enthusiastic resentment" and to do so on any pretext, however trivial.

To what end, I'm not sure, since it is evident it won't get him nominated or elected. But if it did get him elected it would seem to portend the mode of governance we see in Venezuela.

[Gore1FL]

46. Regardless if it is a good question or not, what does it have to do with what I posted? nt

[reACTIONary]

47. It seemed to me that you were maintaining that asking ....

..... whether or not bernie's (alleged) lack of command over the primary process bodes well or ill for his ability as president is not a useful question to ask. You gave a counter question regarding clinton's email server, which, I assume, you believe raises the same issue for clinton.

I don't think the qustion regarding the email server is the the equivalent of the question regarding organizational ability with regard to the issue of presidential capability. I think the question of organizational ability is directly on point and the question of data security is not.

So that's what it has to do with what you posted. Maybe I didn't understand your post correctly. If not , enlighten me.

[Gore1FL]

51. It seems to me I was asking a rhetorical question...

...to demonstrate the problems with the post to which I was responding.

Carry on.

[reACTIONary]

52. And on, and on... eom

[JDPriestly]

53. Do you have a link that says that Bernie did not know the rules?

That is not the issue.

The issue is whether the rules rig the system so that the will of the majority of the voters is not respected.

Gerrymandering is a similar method through which the will of the majority can be frustrated. That the gerrymandering is the law does not make it right. Gerrymandering like some of the ways that votes count toward delegate numbers in the Democratic Primary is a way to get the result that the Party or the gerrymanderers want. In other words it is a way for the gerrymanderers or the Party to right the system.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

61. See, that's the problem, right there...

In your first line. The notion that the rules are rigged in a way that keeps the will of the majority from being "respected".

We're not in a national election period right now. We are holding contests, state by state to elect the head of our party. Want to participate in that vote? Be a member of that party. It's not hard to do, it costs nothing. In many cases, it can be done on line.

Complaining that the will of non members is being disenfranchised is rather disengenuous.

Makes a good headline but then sometimes reality bites.

[reACTIONary]

68. "Not knowing the rules" is....

... an inference based on his supporters assertions and behavior coupled with the fact that the candidate and the candidate's organization is responsible for explaining the rules clearly to her supporters and making sure they understand.

Another inferance would be that bernie does understand the rules but is delibertly exploiting his supporters missunderstanding in order to encourage divisive resentment. But I am too charitable to draw such a conclusion.

[reACTIONary]

69. Just FYI . ...

Wyoming has one, and only one, congressional district. No gerrymandering possible.

[JDPriestly]

57. 12% of the voters who were Bernie voters were disenfranchised.

That's not about Bernie. That's about disregard for democratic principles and fairness in Wyoming. That's about disregard for democratic principles in selecting delegates for the convention.

[ReRe]

36. Bernie and Hillary are nothing alike...

... and Bernie and Trump are nothing alike. Bernie is one in a million and about 46% of the people in this crooked Primary know it. Really, would your life be so terribly awful if Bernie were to be our candidate?

Again, snide is all you guys have.

Go Bernie!

[reACTIONary]

45. I think our life would be the worse for having...

.... those in charge who are apt to call others "crooked" simply because they only get 46% of the vote.

In addition to the alleged snide, us guys seem to also have 56% of the vote.

[ReRe]

48. I don't know if I can understand your...

... dog-whistle message here. Let's see... the only candidate who's calling Hillary "crooked" is Trump. Was you taking a jab at Bernie there, intimating that it was Bernie who called Hill "crooked?"

So, if you know you are in the lead, why do you insist on the snide? Are you just a natural born bully?

[reACTIONary]

49. Allow me to quote from your post....

... "Bernie is one in a million and about 46% of the people in this crooked Primary know it."

So, you remove your allegation that hillary is winning a "crooked" primary, and clean up the "dog whistle" inuendo and I'll delete my response, Mr. Nice guy.

[ReRe]

50. Ahhhh....

... I see. I didn't say crooked Hillary, I said crooked Primary, which it has been a DNC sponsored crooked Primary. Kind of KKKarl Rovian.

I have no inclination to haggle with you further, Mr Troll. Peace.

[JDPriestly]

58. In Wyoming, Bernie won 12% more of the votes than did Hillary

according to the New York Times.

Wyoming, however, awards to Hillary as many candidates as it awards to Bernie.

The delegate award does not respect or adhere to democratic principles. Thus the system in Wyoming really is rigged to award an equal number of delegates to two candidates one of whom, Bernie, actually received 12% more of the vote.

The system was rigged in Wyoming. This is shocking.

[JDPriestly]

56. The goal of the state primaries should be to ascertain the will of the voters, the choice

of the voters as accurately as possible.

The result in Wyoming for all practical purposes disenfranchised 12% of those who participated.

How in the world can you blame Bernie for questioning rules that result in, for all practical purposes, the disenfranchising of 12% of the voters who participated in the election.

Shame on the Wyoming Democratic Party.

How would Hillary supporters feel if the result had disenfranchised 12% of the voters and those voters happened to be Hillary voters?

How about trying the shoe on the other foot?

How about, as Bernie so often reminds us, treating others as you would like to be treated?

Why does Hillary turn so many Bernie voters off?

It is in part because she justifies unfairness, obvious unfairness like that in the Wyoming distribution of delegates as long as it favor her.

[ananda]

10. Actually itnis unfair and gamed.

nt

[HillareeeHillaraah]

24. You're referencing caucuses, right?

Yes caucuses are unfair and somewhat rigged in favor of younger folks with more available hours in their days.

Caucuses should go. Unfair indeed.

[JDPriestly]

59. The Democratic Party should hold primaries, not caucuses.

That should be universal.

[George II]

37. And if they didn't like the rules of the game they should have played the game.

[JDPriestly]

54. It cheats 12% of the voters.

There is unfair and then there is cheating.

12% of the voters' preference in the election are not represented in the division of the delegates.

That is rigging the system.

[maq-az]

9. What have you done

For the Democratic party? Worked any phone banks, helped with our mailers? How many meetings have you been a part of? Or how about this. Have you run for office, in your LD or State how about City or County? Those are the hard working superdelegates and they deserve the position and a voice.

[Gore1FL]

16. What does that have to do with the topic? nt

[LiberalFighter]

19. It was not over 12%. It was 11.4%

States do not allocate all of their delegates based on state-wide election results. If Wyoming had, then yes it would had been 8 for Sanders and 6 for Clinton. But udner DNC rules delegates are allocated into three categories. In this case, it was 8 at the district level, 4 at the at-large level, and 2 at the PLEO level. Only at-large and PLEO delegates are allocated based on state-wide election results. District delegates are allocated based on congressional district results. In the case of Wyoming with only one congressional district it is a state-wide result. In each case, using the same election result percent it amounts to a tie in delegates at each level.

Wyoming's problem is having one of the lowest Democratic voter turnouts for President in the past 3 elections.


Percent needed to avoid a delegate(s) tie.

8 delegates -- 56.26% (12.52 lead)
4 delegates -- 62.52% (25.04 lead)
2 delegates -- 75.10% (50.20 lead)

[brooklynite]

20. NOT DNC rules...Wyoming State Party rules

[LiberalFighter]

25. Wyoming State Party bylaws don't determine number of national delegates.

DNC Rule 8 C

C. The Call for the 2016 Convention shall state the base delegation for each delegation. Seventy-five percent (75%) of each state’s base delegation shall be elected at the congressional district level or smaller. Twenty-five percent (25%) of each state’s base delegation shall be elected at large. Delegates so elected shall hereafter be termed “district-level” and “at-large” delegates, respectively. Each State Democratic Chair shall certify all delegates in writing to the Secretary of the DNC.

Computation of Delegate Votes

The 50 States and Puerto Rico are allocated District, At-Large, and PLEO delegates as follows:

At-Large Delegate Votes = Base Votes × 0.25. (Fractions 0.5 and above are rounded to the next highest integer.) [Reference: 2106 Delegate Selection Rules for the Democratic National Convention: Rule 8. C.]

District Delegate Votes = Base Votes - At-Large Delegate Votes. (Fractions 0.5 and above are rounded to the next highest integer.) [Reference: 2016 Delegate Selection Rules for the Democratic National Convention: Rule 8. C.]

The number of District delegates plus the number of At-Large delegates must equal the Base. In most states, the rounding favors the statewide At-Large allocation. Differences are noted under each state's listing.

PLEO Delegate Votes = Base Votes × 0.15. (Fractions 0.5 and above are rounded to the next highest integer.) [Call I. D.]

[George II]

38. Do you know how the delegates are assigned based on the voting?

It's not a straight % of the votes state-wide that determines how many delegates each candidate gets, it's how many districts each candidate wins (along with some state-wide candidates).

For example, if Sanders wins a district by 90 votes to 10 votes, he gets the delegate for that district. On the other hand, if Clinton wins a district by 51 votes to 49 votes, she gets the delegate for that district.

So they each get one delegate even though Sanders had 139 votes and Clinton got 61 votes. This is simplified, but that's the idea behind it.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/WY-D

[JDPriestly]

60. The result shows that the system is undemocratic.

The results do not represent the will of the grass-roots Democrats.

It does not represent the will of those who voted.

It is simply undemocratic and should be changed.

[George II]

62. What's undemocratic is that standards were established to determine delegate elections a year or..

...more ago, and days before a primary or even after those who were not involved with establishing such standards try to change them.

The Sanders campaign and his followers should have started working on that a year ago.

[JDPriestly]

63. Sanders only started running a little over a year ago.

I don't think he had thought much about before then.

And note, that the fact that Bernie has won 20 states that Hillary lost in only a year of campaigning after Hillary was in the White House for 8 years and started running for president well before 2008, that's 8 years ago, is proof that Hillary is a tough candidate to sell. She should be doing much better considering what a head start she had.

Hillary is a very weak candidate. Bernie is a strong one. The rules were written by Hillary supporters and by people who were fooled into thinking that Hillary would have a cakewalk winning this election.

She is a weak candidate. She complains too much about things that the public could care less about. She spend too much time raising money from the rich and too little concerning herself about the problems of the poor and the middle class in our country. She is a weak candidate. I know that is hard for Hillary supporters to understand, but if she were a strong candidate, she would not still be looking for delegates.

Bernie's campaign,, his candidacy and his character are phenomenal, and he has achieved an amazing number of wins as a little known and in some quarters completely unknown candidate to join the kind of organization and support to his campaign that he has in just over a year.

Phenomenal. I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime. It's just amazing. The media is missing a big story in not fully telling the truth about the rise of Bernie's campaign and his popularity from so little so quickly.

But that is another story.

Bernie will be the next president.

You want proof?

Listen to his Oakland speech and how he takes on Trump. He makes Trump look like a fool over climate change. He makes a joke of Trump, and that is how he will beat Trump. Because the truth is that Trump is a joke. Bernie doesn't get mad;; he just laughs Trump off.

Hillary cannot do that. Her jokes always come across as bitter, a little sour. She just does not have the humorous, comical perspective on life that it will take to beat Trump.

[George II]

64. So state legislatures and Democratic parties should fall all over themselves....

....to change election laws to accommodate the fledgling Sanders campaign? The way delegates are assigned long before he even decided to become a Democrat.

As for the rest? A "weak candidate" is thrashing the other candidate and will have enough delegates for the nomination about 8 PM a week from tonight.

[JDPriestly]

67. The Democratic Party should organize a system that best measures

the voters' preferences. The system we have now does not accurately measure that.

[LoverOfLiberty]

65. Sort of like how Hilary won the WA Primary

which was much more democratic than the caucuses, but Sanders raked in over 70% of the delegates.

You can't have it both ways, though I'm sure you'll continue to try.

[JDPriestly]

66. I agree with you. This is something that needs to be worked on.

We need a system that measures the votes of everyone.

[Renew Deal]

17. Did they do that when Bush had more electors in 2000?

Nothing changed. And in this case, WY is fairly insignificant.

[Renew Deal]

18. Hillary won the places where people live

And Bernie won the vast wilderness.

[Sunlei]

22. Wyoming. I was so disappointed when ghoul Wallis (R) died in her sleep and no Ds even tried to take

her seat. Rs run unopposed in that state.

[Agnosticsherbet]

26. The Washington, D.C. Democratic primary is on Jun 14 nt

[CrowCityDem]

27. Now he's officially challenging math. Denying reality, eh?

[geek tragedy]

42. Fine, let him challenge. But that's what happens with proportional allocation, and it helped

Sanders in places like New York, where his pledged delegate margin was much less than his popular vote margin.

Moot point, he's not going to be the nominee.

[riversedge]

43. It is moot at this stage.