Poll: Clinton tops Trump, but neither prompts excitement

[tabasco]

Source: CNN

(CNN)Democrat Hillary Clinton tops Republican Donald Trump by a 47% to 42% margin in the race for the presidency, according to a CNN/ORC Poll released Tuesday, and just 22% of registered voters say their minds could change between now and November.

Clinton continues to lead Trump when Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party and Jill Stein of the Green Party are included in the list of options. Nationwide in that match-up, Clinton holds 42%, Trump 38%, Johnson 9% and Stein 7%.

Neither Johnson nor Stein is guaranteed a ballot slot in all states, but one or both will appear in several key competitive states, including Florida, Colorado and Ohio. Johnson will appear in a town hall on CNN this week.

More Clinton backers say they have made up their minds (37% of all registered voters are solid Clinton voters) than Trump voters (33% of voters are firmly Trump). Among those voters who say they are not settled on a candidate in the two-way race, more than one-third choose Johnson (23%) or Stein (12%) when asked the four-way match up.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/21/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-national-cnn-poll/

[Laser102]

1. I really don't need for the president to excite me. I'm looking for common sense and stability.

[AllyCat]

19. True, but for the average voter, and down-ticket races

We need excitement.

[BlueCaliDem]

57. And we'll get it when President Obama and VP Biden begin campaigning for Hillary in all seriousness.

That said, I won't take any polls from CNN or any other cable news network seriously - and everyone who doesn't want a President Trump or President Mittney shouldn't, either.

Remember: U.$. M$M are not our friends and have never been. They do the bidding of the CEO's and corporations who buy millions of dollars in ads. Pollsters are no different.

This is the U.S. It's always all about the Benjamins and there are more willing to part ways with their hundreds of millions for power on the Republican side than there are on ours.

[treestar]

61. This ^^^

Why do people need so much drama?

[dembotoz]

3. jim hightower says turn out is based on turn on

if hrc is the home of the massive yawn......

getting folks out to vote should be easier than getting my kid to clean the litter boxes
just saying

nov could be a most unhappy month

[onehandle]

4. Hillary's voters are 10 points ahead of Trump's in enthusiasm.

Reported on MSNBC.

Historically, even in losing years, Republican sheep are usually ahead in the enthusiasm gap.

November is going to be a disaster for the GOP.

[AlbertCat]

14. Hillary's voters are 10 points ahead of Trump's in enthusiasm.

Enthusiasm has points????

[vdogg]

30. 10 percentage points.

But I suspect you knew that...

[FLPanhandle]

5. I have to say "so what?"

TV/Smartphone addicted Americans need excitement I guess.

I'd rather have boring competence than excitement. Doesn't anyone think past their emotions anymore?

[rjsquirrel]

6. Remember those Green and Libertarian numbers

are always much higher as the primaries end as they capture disaffected supporters of primary losers. By October they go back down to tiny percentages as most voters decide to go with someone who might actually win (or vote usefully against someone who might actually win).

Jill Stein will get half a percent and Gary Johnson may break the 2% mark this year, count on it.

[Dustlawyer]

7. I had preferred to be excited for a change, but now it's back to holding my nose.

I am not looking for stability. What I want would cause big disruptions, not that I am for disruptions, but changing over to renewables, high speed rail, and electric cars would cause. Also, a long overdue updating of our electric grid to make it more efficient and to be able to handle millions of solar powered homes and offices selling excess power back into the system would disrupt things somewhat.

Retraining petrochemical workers and auto workers would have to be done with some type of support for them during the process.

To address Climate Change how it needs to be addressed at this late day will require a radical change in how we live. The clock has been and still is ticking on us and time is short.

Sadly, with our current method of campaign finance the fossil fuel industry will pay our (what a joke) Representatives to sell us out and continue to fight against renewable energy. The MSM will continue to not talk about either campaign finance reform or renewable energy. Once again TPTB will use their money and power to keep the MSM from telling us what is really happening with Climate Change and our election system. You don't even get many stories about electronic election fraud, which is happening.

These huge companies control our government through their politicians, their judges, and their media! We cannot break this hold unless we fight for and achieve Publicly Funded Elections. If you don't already, I would urge everyone to start reading all they can about climate change and renewable energy.

[AllyCat]

20. Word.

[SmittynMo]

8. Neither prompts excitement?

Both have unfavorability ratings over 50%. How can ANYONE get excited about that? Then again, how is this even possible?

[marmar]

9. It's definitely a "meh" election.....

..... the biggest impetus for my vote is definitely keeping the orange Trustafarian douche as far away from 1600 Pennsylvania as possible.

[marble falls]

10. My biggest fear. Low turnout and no change in Congress ....

Hillary really needs to unleash her inner Bernie.

[SmittynMo]

11. Your biggest fear

is sooooooooooooooooo possible. Who do we blame? Ourselves?

[marble falls]

13. Yes. The Democratic Party certainly seems to ignor a huge number of progressive Democratic leaning..

voters.

[Metric System]

55. He lost.

[Loki]

12. Throughout all the years I have been voting

I don't think I ever gauged my vote on excitement except when I was involved with Robert Kennedy's campaign. Have I bought into all the intentional negativity that has been thrown at Hillary over the years, no. I lived in Texas for almost 20 years, and became familiar with Karl Rove's smear machine as it worked feverishly to plant every ugly innuendo that he knew would sway those who were susceptible to his form of ugly, destructive propaganda. He's been doing this since his Nixon years, this is a finely oiled machine with an unimaginable body count. After all, he learned his craft at Lee Atwaters knee. I won't hold my nose, I prefer breathing, but if we don't elect people who want to work for change, we will continue to see the obstruction that has been the operative mode of today's gop. Elections matter. Don't complain, don't equivocate, vote. That's what I will be doing.

[redstatebluegirl]

27. Thanks for saying what I was thinking.

I don't understand the "excitement" thing. I want someone I feel can adequately run the country and won't run it into the ground. We don't always get everything we want and at my age I don't get real excited about much of anything anymore but I always vote.

[Crepuscular]

15. ...

putting aside the "excitement" factor, it's a pretty discouraging commentary on our political system that the best we can produce is two candidates that are viewed negatively by 55% & 70% of the electorate. It kind of makes one shudder to think about who is going to run in the future if this is the best we can do.

[Silver_Witch]

16. This^^^^

[still_one]

22. No. The Democrats are satisfied with their nominee. 55% Hillary, 43% Bernie. The republicans on

the other hand, are very split, according to this poll.

Enthusiasm will pick up after the respective party's conventions.

This national poll also means very little:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1495979

[peace13]

26. You do not need to wag percentages here. Hillary is on top here, we get it.

Quoting percentages involving Bernie should be grounds for a lock . We can not defend, support or introduce facts to refute you. Please, in the future simply say Hill is the nominee. You don't need to drag anything else into the discussion! Proceed......

[still_one]

28. I am quoting the OPs poll, not mine. They are NOT my percentages, they are what the OP posted in

the link

If mine is locked, then this entire OP should be locked

[vdogg]

31. So what you're saying is this OP is against the rules and should be locked.

I agree.

[peace13]

32. I think that using numbers, especially where the primaries are concerned should not be used ..

....in this manner. There is no format on which to defend them. As far as anyone taking a new poll regarding the Senator, he Is out of the picture here and has been 'removed' from the MSM so how would anyone have clear information enough to decide. How would any survey be useful. I thought Clinton was the one and Bernie was to be left out of it on DU. I highly disagree with a poster using these numbers in the title line in this manner. There is only one reason to bring him up on DU and that is to goad those who have to hold their tongues.

[still_one]

35. First I would like to make it clear my post was not intended to "rub anything in". It was a direct

response to this comment:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1495957

and the only reason for THAT comment to be brought up was to use your phrasing, to "goad those into saying something they shouldn't"

Instead I choose to use the numbers from the OPs link to refute that comment, that in fact there is support

[peace13]

36. For whatever reason....

...it's not good form. We should leave any references to Bernie by the wayside until after the convention at a minimum. Not saying in any way, that I know or care anything about Bernie or the convention.

[still_one]

38. I would agree, except that it was the poll in the OP that brought Bernie into the picture, I didn't.

I understand your view and respect it, however, there are important issues that Bernie has brought up in this campaign, and those issues should be discussed.

[Crepuscular]

34. ...

Whether or not Democrats are satisfied with their candidate does not contradict the fact that 55% of those polled recently had a negative perception of her. While we can take some solace from the fact that 70% perceived Trump negatively, it's still an extremely sad commentary on the caliber, or lack thereof, of the candidates that are nominated to lead our government in this society.

The mantra, "I'm not as bad as the other guy" is a pathetic editorial on how the political establishment in this country is causing this country to slowly spiral down the crapper.

[still_one]

37. I don't subscribe to that premise, yet alone this CNN national poll. For one thing, it isn't broken

down demographically. How many republicans, Democrats, Independents, women, African Americans, Latinos, etc are represented?

Do larger states with more people have more weighting? The poll doesn't indicate such. Just a random calling of 1001 people by phone.

A national poll after a contentious primary is not a measure of anything, yet alone enthusiasm. In fact these numbers are not much different than after the 2008 primaries.

I also do not subscribe to your assessment of the "I'm not as bad as the other guy".

There are a lot of Americans who are excited about Hillary, in all demographics, and across party lines

This isn't a "lesser of two evils". This is about one candidate who is far superior than the other candidate across all issues, domestic and internationally

[Crepuscular]

43. ...

Feel free to ignore the fact that both candidates have historic levels of people who have a negative perception of them. Whether you ignore it or not will not make it go away. Based on recent polling, this election is most definitely coming down to the lesser of two evils in the minds of much of the electorate.

This graphic is just simply mind boggling when you put it in historical context, both candidates are abysmally unpopular among voters, which says something really, really disconcerting about our political system and the political establishment which appears to be more interested in promoting candidates that they can control, than candidates that are worthy of trust and admiration by the people who cast votes.

[still_one]

44. From 2004, and yet someone with such unpopular views won the nomination. The gender effect, and

other demographics will put the WSJ and NBC to shame

[Crepuscular]

47. um.....

the graphic is from April 2016 the reference to 2004 was indicating that the numbers in the first column for 2004 were from May, not April. Secondly, nobody with those kind of negative numbers has been elected President in recent times, which makes one wonder whether there may be some kind of a revolt at one of the upcoming conventions.

You seem to want to ignore the fact that both candidates have extremely high unfavorability numbers which are unlikely to change much regardless of how much cash they throw at advertising attempting to convince people how great they are.

[still_one]

48. I read the wrong legend at the bottom, which was referring to 2004. You are correct, I mis viewed it

We aren't going to agree on this. I believe the anti-Hillary sentiment is a product of the media's anti-Hillary narrative which has been going on since Richard Mellon Scaife's Arkansas Project from the 70's.

I also think there are a lot of groups that are under-represented in these surveys.

I won't engage in the other speculations you brought up regarding the convention

[elljay]

42. Democrats are only 30% of the population

She cannot win a majority without support from the other 70%. Presuming that most Republicans will vote for Trump, Johnson, or sit this one out, that means the thrd of the electorate who are Independents. Since they are intentionally NOT committed to the Democratic Party, either because they are ambivalent about politics or because they left it in disgust, it is very much necessary to excite them to get them to vote. At the moment, they seem to not be excited.

[still_one]

45. There is strong indications that up to 30% or more of republicans won't vote for Trump. The polls

have also underestimated the women and other demographic involvement.

Independents are also not going to go for Trump.

She is going to win by a large majority, and that is not just wishful thinking

[Democat]

17. Clinton is ahead, so the media adds something negative to the headline

If Trump was ahead, the headline would have some rude comment about Hillary too.

[peace13]

40. Pretty much..

...they need a contest to keep news flowing until November. Otherwise we might stop looking!

[JoePhilly]

59. + 10000000000000000000

[treestar]

62. So true.

[still_one]

18. The poll/article also says 55% of Democrats and leaners pick Clinton, and 43% pick Sanders.

Which indicates that the majority of Democrats are satisfied with their choice of nominee, Hillary.

"On the Democratic side, 55% of Democrats and Democratic-leaners say they'd pick Clinton as their party's nominee, 43% say they would pick Democratic rival Bernie Sanders."

On the republican side, 51% pick Trump, while 48% prefer someone else, so there is obvious dissatisfaction within the republican party concerning their choice of a candidate.

What exactly does this national poll mean? There is no indication that they polled more people in states like California, New York, etc. which have have larger electoral college vote representations. In fact, the polls implies they just took a random national sample of 1001 adults, which may mean that some of the larger population states were under represented, and some of the smaller population states could be over represented. Since CNN/ORC did not indicate a proportional weighting in regard to a states population, it is pretty clear this is just a random nation sample. There is also no demographic breakdown in regard to race, gender, how many republicans, verses number of Democrats polled etc.

"The CNN/ORC Poll was conducted by telephone June 16-19 among a random national sample of 1,001 adults. The poll includes interviews with 891 registered voters. Results for registered voters have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points."

At this stage in the process the poll means very little, and the subjective "enthusiasm" measure means even less. Enthusiasm always increases after a parties convention. That is why there is the "convention bounce" we hear about.

[Android3.14]

24. Interesting use of the word "satisfied"

I know why I support Hillary.

[still_one]

25. At this stage of the process, right after a long contentious primary, when the presumed nominee has

a double digit lead among Democrats in their choice for their nominee, that is good. It is about the same margin that was between Clinton and Obama in 2008. After the Convention is when things start to move

[Gene Debs]

21. The thing is, while Trump doesn't motivate the Republican base, and Clinton doesn't

motivate the Democratic base, Clinton DOES motivate the Republican base. Republican voters who wouldn't get out of bed to vote for Donald Trump or any other GOP nominee will crawl over ten miles of broken glass to vote against Hillary Clinton.

[still_one]

23. In the OPs link, 55% of the Democrats and leaners would pick Hillary, and 43% would pick Bernie.

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That is about the same gap at this time in the election between President Obama and Hillary.

"55% of Democrats and Democratic-leaners say they'd pick Clinton as their party's nominee, 43% say they would pick Democratic rival Bernie Sanders"

The republicans are much more divided.

In general, the national polls do not mean much at this stage, and after the respective convention, that is when interest starts to gain

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. " I really don't need for the president to excite me. I'm looking for common sense and stability ."

If I am looking for excitement I will attend a sporting event.

[Gamecock Lefty]

33. My excitement will be when Hillary wins the election!

[still_one]

39. Excitement builds after the Convention, at least that is what it has been historically

[bravenak]

41. Good thing 'non excited' votes count the same as 'excited' votes.

Trump may hold bigger rallys but he has far fewer voters. I have seen time and time again where enthusiam or excitement or 'momentum' have been false measures of 'winning'. Out of the three actually running in the general, Hillary is the one who has the demographics on her and the ground game to be competitive.

[still_one]

46. Your analysis is right on Bravenak, and the demographics you alluded to, are going to be extremely

excited about this election.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

49. "Non-excited" voters only vote if it's easy.

If the weather's good that day.

And if many "non-excited" stay home, the candidates for the lesser offices get no help from coat-tails.

[bravenak]

50. Not true. I was very unexcited. But I caucused for my candidate, regardless.

It is excited voters who rarely or have never voted that don't bother to vote if they do not get exactly what they want. Voters like me who are never excited still make it to the polls just before closing time. Counts more than a vote that doesn't get cast because a special snowflake decided to sit it out.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

54. You did not seem "unexcited".

You seemed like an enthusiastic and engaged supporter.

That, plus the fact that we're on DU, probably means most of us are "excited" voters, regardless of the excitement-factor of the candidate. We'll vote.

I always thought that Republicans were steady, plodding, reliable voters who vote regardless of weather, etc. Maybe not this year.

[bravenak]

58. Glad I seemed enthusiastic

I preferred her to others but liked Omalley best. I think democrats are becoming more reliable as we make steady progress. We were on the outs in the eighties, but I think it's the gop's turn to have to move to the center to accomodate the electorate. They are just now realizing they lost the culture wars 20 years ago.

[wyldwolf]

51. So what the article is saying is..

We're back in normal, pre-Obama territory.

[Agnosticsherbet]

52. I am very exited about a Supreme Court that is no longer Conservative.

[itsrobert]

53. The Headline is OPINION

Nowhere in the article does it reference "EXCITEMENT".

[demmayhem]

56. So sad that our money soaked system produces the worst...

... and the most despised candidates as nominees... they listen to the donors, not the voters...