Muslim leaders refuse to bury French priest killer
Source: CNN
(CNN)Muslim community leaders have refused to bury one of the terrorists who killed a Catholic priest this week in northern France, according to the president of a local Muslim organization.
Adel Kermiche was one of two men who took five people hostage during morning Mass on Tuesday at a Catholic church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray, before forcing the priest to his knees and slitting his throat.
The Rev. Jacques Hamel, 86, was also stabbed in the chest before he was killed at the foot of the altar, according to a nun who escaped the attack.
Mohammed Karabila, president of the local Muslim cultural association, said that neither he nor the local Imam would take part in any burial service for the 19-year-old Kermiche, who had pledged allegiance to ISIS.
Read more: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/30/europe/priest-killer-burial-refused/
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)JI7
(89,269 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)I've always wanted to see France, and if you ask me nicely I won't even pee in it when I'm done.
Warpy
(111,342 posts)and will go farther than words alone in repudiating DAESH.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)True Dough
(17,326 posts)They only want to know that the killers were Muslim extremists (well, just that they were Muslims actually, and they insist all Muslims are dangerous).
Marr
(20,317 posts)This is a symbolic gesture. The priest's throat is still cut, and it was cut in the name of religion.
True Dough
(17,326 posts)but what percentage of the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world are going to follow in the assailants' footsteps? What percentage cheer such a heinous act? I know it's not insignificant, but my point is there are a helluva lot of non-violent Muslims as well. We're hearing more and more stories where Muslim religious leaders are condemning attacks, but they don't get any traction with those who want to hate blindly, making them not much better than the extremists.
JI7
(89,269 posts)there is a history here. he was caught trying to go to syria at least 2 times and yet they still let him go. his own mother said to put something on him so they can track where he is.
Fla Dem
(23,749 posts)to the vast majority of Muslims. I'm sure there would be a massive hue and cry if they were given a Muslim funeral. So in some people's eyes they can't win.
Well said.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Here they did.
Response to True Dough (Reply #6)
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Fla Dem
(23,749 posts)attacking Western European Countries. Have we forgotten the IRA and all the bombings in Ireland and Great Britain?
Most of the terrorist activity in the U.S. in recent years has come not from Muslims, but from radical Christianists, white supremacists and far-right militia groups.
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/10-worst-terror-attacks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men
Saffron terror is a neologism used to describe acts of violence motivated by Hindu nationalism. The acts are allegedly perpetrated by members, or alleged members of Hindu nationalist organizations close to Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and Abhinav Bharat.[1][2][3] However, in some cases the motivation for the acts has not been clearly determined,[4] and in others it has been determined to be unrelated to Hindu nationalism.[5][6] The term comes from the symbolic use made of the saffron colour by the Hindu nationalist organisations.[7][8][9][10]
Incidents of terror
Hindu extremist organisations have allegedly carried out terrorist attacks like 2006 Malegaon blasts, Mecca Masjid bombing (Hyderabad), Samjhauta Express bombings and the Ajmer sharif dargah blast. There are some links and connections with Islamist organisations with these blasts.[35][36]
Arif Qasmani of Karachi has been specifically named by the notification on July 1, 2009 by the US Department of Treasury as involved in the Mumbai suburban train blasts of July, 2006, and in the Samjhauta Express blast of February, 2007.[36][37]
1999 Burning alive of Australian Christian missionary and his children: Graham Staines
Bajrang Dal member Dara Singh was convicted for leading the mob that burnt alive Australian Christian missionary Graham Staines and his two sons, Philip (aged 10) and Timothy (aged 6) on 22 January 1999. The Staines were sleeping in their station wagon at Manoharpur village in the Kendujhar district of the Indian state of Orissa, about 400 kilometres (250 mi) from Bhubaneswar, when the mob attacked and set the vehicle on fire, prevented even the children from escaping and murdered all three.[38]
Khurda District court sentenced Dara Singh to death in 2003 that was commuted to life in imprisonment by Orissa High Court in 2005.[39]
2007 Samjhauta Express bombings
Twin blasts shook two coaches of the Samjhauta Express around midnight on 18 February 2007. Sixty-eight people were killed in the ensuing fire and dozens were injured.[40] It has been allegedly linked to Abhinav Bharat, a Hindu fundamentalist group.[41] In November 2008, it was reported that the Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) suspected the attacks were linked to Prasad Shrikant Purohit, an Indian army officer and member of Abhinav Bharat.[42] Purohit himself claimed that he had "infiltrated" the Abhinav Bharat. During an army's Court of Inquiry, 59 witnesses stated to the court, along with Officers who testified, that Purohit was doing his job of gathering intelligence inputs by infiltrating extremist organisations.[5][43] On 8 January 2011, Swami Aseemanand, a pracharak of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), confessed that he was involved in the bombing of Samjhauta express,[44] a statement he later claimed to have made under duress.[45] Aseemanand claimed that he was tortured to give a false statement.[46]
There have also been allegations that Lashkar-e-Taiba was responsible for the bombings.[47] The United States declared Arif Qasmani, a Pakistani national and alleged 'LeT financier', to be the chief coordinator of the 2006 train bombing in Mumbai as well as the 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings, and labelled him an international terrorist via the United Nations.[48][49][50] As of 2013, nobody has been convicted for the crime in India.[citation needed]
Ajmer Dargah attack
The Ajmer Dargah blast occurred on 11 October 2007, outside the Dargah (shrine) of Sufi saint Moinuddin Chishti in Ajmer, Rajasthan, allegedly by the Hindutva organisation Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and its groups.[51] On 22 October 2010, five accused perpetrators, of which four said to belong to the RSS, were arrested in connection with the blast.[52] Swami Aseemanand, in his confession, implicated the then General Secretary Mohan Bhagwat for ordering the terrorist strike.[53] Bhavesh Patel, another accused in the bombings, has corroborated these statements but later said that the Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde forced him to implicate the RSS leaders. Some other senior Congress leaders were also mentioned.[54]
2008 Malegaon blasts
29 September 2008 western India bombings
On 29 September 2008, three bombs exploded in the States of Gujarat and Maharashtra killing 8 persons and injuring 80. During the investigation in Maharashtra, a Hindu group was alleged to have been involved in the blasts. Three of the arrested persons were identified as Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur,[55][56] Shiv Narayan Gopal Singh Kalsanghra and Shyam Bhawarlal Sahu. All three were produced before the Chief Judicial Magistrates court in Nashik, which remanded them to custody till 3 November.[57] On 28 October, the Shiv Sena, came out in support of the accused saying that the arrests were merely political in nature. Lending credence to this, the party chief, Uddhav Thackeray, pointed out a potential conflict of interest in political rivalry as the Nationalist Congress Party (NCP) controlled the relevant ministry.[58] NIA, National Investigation Agency, has found no evidence against Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur and it has recommended the court to drop all charges against her.[59]
The Army officer Prasad Shrikant Purohit was also accused of being involved in the blast.[60] His counsel alleged that he was being falsely framed for political reasons because he has intelligence data of a sensitive nature pertaining to the operations of Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) and Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, which could embarrass some quarters.[61]
Mecca Masjid bombing
The Mecca Masjid bombing occurred on 18 May 2007 inside the Mecca Masjid, a mosque in Hyderabad. Fourteen people were reported dead in the immediate aftermath.[62] The National Investigation Agency,[63] Central Bureau of Investigation[64] and Anti Terrorist Squad (India)[65] questioned former members of the RSS[66][67] On 19 November 2010, the Central Bureau of Investigation produced Swami Aseemanand before the court in connection with the Blast. But later he has retracted the confession citing the mental and physical pressure to provide that confession.[68] The Special investigation Team (SIT) of Hyderabad Police arrested south India commander of the LeT, identified as Shaik Abdul Khaja alias Amjad, from Afzalgunj area of the city. Police said that the arrestee was linked to Mohammed Abdul Shahid Bilal, key suspect in the bombing.[69] In 2013, Yasin Bhatkal confessed that Indian Mujahideen had bombed two other places in Hyderabad later in August 2007 to avenge Mecca Masjid blast which was then allegedly attributed to Hindu fundamental groups.[70]
The South Asia Terrorism Portal,[71] the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses,[72] the National Counter-terrorism Center[73] the United States,[74] and the United Nations[75] reported that Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami was actually behind the attacks while excluding involvement by any Hindu group. Noting this, security analyst Bahukutumbi Raman has questioned "the two different versions that have emerged from Indian and American investigators."[76] The South Asia Terrorism Portal cited Vikar Ahmed as a main suspect in the blast.[69][77] Mohammed Abdul Shahid Bilal, former chief of HuJIs Indian operations, is also regarded as a key suspect in the Mecca Masjid bombing. Later he was shot by unknown gunmen in Karachi on 30 August 2007.[69][78]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffron_terror
Marr
(20,317 posts)You'll be posting it again in a week, because that's how common these radical Islamic terrorist attacks are occurring.
This is a very real problem and just mouthing the same old feel-good nonsense about all religions being more or less the same isn't helping. The political debate needs to be based on an honest assessment of reality.
What will you say in five years, or ten, when the radical right dominates European politics because of the establishment's insistence on pushing phony, feel-good narratives instead of acknowledging the problem? What will you say when that right wing is anxiously pushing their version of a 'fix'? "I don't support that" won't be a very useful contribution.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Help identify the part of his brain that turned all his religious bullshit into violence.
He could actually contribute to the world.
daleo
(21,317 posts)Quoting the article: "neither he nor the local Imam would take part in any burial service for the 19-year-old Kermiche,".
Two people refusing to go to a funeral is not the same as refusing to bury someone.
Later in the article: "The mayor's office will make the final decision on whether Kermiche can be buried in the town."
I suspect he will be buried somewhere, though not in the local cemetery. Religious figures from outside the town may or may not be involved. We will probably never know, either way.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)and it did not say they'd 'prevent' the burial, or anything like that. But the 2 Muslim leaders involved have both refused to bury him. It's possible some other imam might agree to carry out a service, but that would be speculation; the headline does not claim "all Muslim leaders".
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)That is a strong statement.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)on second read - I felt misled - it was only a few people. the scum murdering coward will still get a religious burial.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)That appears to be speculation on your part.
Yonnie3
(17,485 posts)Additional action by the local Muslims.
http://www.euronews.com/2016/07/31/muslims-attend-sunday-mass-after-terror-killing-of-french-priest