Julian Assange told to turn himself in at London police station

[alp227]

Source: The Guardian

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has been served with a police letter saying he has to present himself to a London police station on Friday, according to sources.

Assange has been seeking political asylum inside Ecuador's embassy in London since last week as he tries to avoid extradition to Sweden, where he is wanted for questioning about alleged sex offences.

A spokesman for the Metropolitan police service said: "The MPS have this morning, Thursday 28 June, served a surrender notice upon a 40-year-old man that requires him to attend a police station at a date and time of our choosing. This is standard practice in extradition cases and is the first step in the removal process."

He said Assange remained in breach of his bail conditions, adding: "Failing to surrender would be a further breach of conditions and he is liable to arrest."

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jun/28/julian-assange-london-police-station

[clang1]

1. Justice REDUCED to the VALUE of a Piece of Toilet Paper

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This is Tyranny. Recognize it for What it IS, it is NOT MORAL. It is TYRANNY.

THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS ARE THE POLITICANS AND THE TORTURERS. THEY ARE ALREADY NOT MORAL. THEY ALREADY KNOW THIS ANYWAY...

AND WE NEED TO TELL THEM THEY ARE NOT MORAL. DO SOMETHING, THEY MUST CHANGE. THE PEOPLE SAY THIS, BECAUSE IT IS TRUE. AND THAT NEEDS TO BE TOLD TO THESE 'PEOPLE', THEY WILL NOT LISTEN OTHERWISE. AND IT WILL CONTINUE. THAT IS LIFE AND THE WORLD. IT IS HOW IT WORKS.

AND YET AGAIN, IT IS THE PEOPLES CHOICE IN WHO THEY PICK TO BE THEIR FRIENDS.

NONE OF THESE THUGS ARE MY FRIEND. THAT I KNOW. I KNOW IT, BECAUSE I AM MORAL.

I DO NOT EVEN NEED TO BE TOLD THIS. SOME PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE UP. DONT LET BAD PEOPLE TELL YOU YOUR MORALS. WHEN YOU DO, YOU FAIL AT LIFE. SEE THAT.















Meanwhile....The Progression continues....

[Occulus]

4. The next time I see you shouting you're going on ignore.

I encourage others to do the same.

[MicaelS]

7. You'll care when others stop responding to your posts n/t

[clang1]

10. TRUTH, LEADERSHIP, MORALS AND VALUES AND AMERICA

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THIS POST IS ABOUT IS HISTORY AND RIGHT NOW IN THE WORLD. WHAT YOU CAN SEE WITH YOUR OWN TWO EYES TODAY. IT IS ALSO ABOUT TRUTH, LEADERSHIP, MORALS AND VALUES.


FEAR AND MORAL COWARDICE IS WHY ALL THIS IS HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

People NEED to Learn, to do the Right Things. SIMPLE.
Those that CHOOSE Not to do this, are Not on the Side of Justice, in ANYTHING.

They have Neither Good Morals, or Values. And They will Not HELP those of US that Do, Anyway. Pick your Friends WISELY.

I would Accept Julian Assange as a Friend Anyday. He HAS Good Morals and Values. The ENTIRE World SEES This.

So it is TRUE. The WORLD, DOES NOT LIE. It is Politicians and Dictators who Lie. I Listen to Everything, and I know what is Wrong and What is Right. If MORE People Did, it Would be a MUCH Better World than what it is NOW. I see this Everyday in Fact. It is how the World works when you do Not do what is Right. Everything is like that in the World.

COMMON SENSE SAYS: WHO WOULD TRUST A PROVEN TORTURER?

ASSANGE will make NO DEALS. He is TOO MORAL, to do that. AND He does NOT NEED TO MAKE DEALS. HE HAS MORALS, WHY SHOULD HE? WHO MAKES DEALS WITH EVIL? THE SMART MAN DOES NOT IN MY BOOK. THAT WOULD BE LIKE MAKING A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL. WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT TURNS OUT.



ASSANGE WILL NOT SURRENDER OR MAKE DEALS, HE HAS COMMON SENSE AND GOOD JUDGEMENT.

THE QUESTIONS THAT THE WORLD IS ASKING ARE ABOUT MORALS AND VALUES TOO. THE MORALS AND VALUES OF TORTURERS.
IT IS NOT ASSANGES MORALS THE WORLD QUESTIONS...IT IS THOSE WHO HAVE NO MORAL OR VALUES THAT THE WORLD IS TRULY CONCERNED ABOUT.

PEOPLE IN AMERICA NEED TO QUESTION THIS LACK OF MORALITY AS WELL. MY QUESTION IS: WHY IS THIS FILTH A PART OF OUR GOVERNMENT? OF ANY GOVERNMENT FOR THAT MATTER? I THINK THE WORLD ASKS THIS AS WELL... I HEAR IT ASKING THIS.

WHY AREN'T MORE AMERICANS ASKING ABOUT THIS? WHAT ARE THEIR MORALS AND VALUES? ARE THEY AMERICAN ONES? OR SOMETHING ELSE? ...

ALL OF THIS IS UN-AMERICAN. PERIOD.

POLITICS DO NOT DEFINE AMERICA. MORALS AND VALUES DEFINE AMERICA.


CONSIDER THESE PEOPLES MORALS....TO MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT GOOD CITIZENS IN AMERICA BECAUSE THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS DIFFERENCE. THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF AMERICA DID UNDERSTAND THIS....AMERICANS NEED TO LEARN THIS AGAIN.

AMERICAN LEADERSHIP NEEDS TO BE BASED ON GOOD MORALS AND VALUES TOO.

WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN LEADERSHIP IS BASED UPON ONLY POLITICS. IT IS USUALLY DISASTER THAT RESULTS IN THE END. AFTER ALL, 9-11 HAPPENED. PERIOD.

THESE PROBLEMS ARE THOSE OF THE LEADERS, THEY OWN THEM, THEY CREATED THEM AFTER ALL. NOT THE PEOPLE.
ANYONE THAT TRIES TO EMBELLISH THIS TRUTH IS EITHER A LIAR, IGRNORANT, OR A PROPAGANDIST. PERIOD.



ANYONE THAT DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT I WROTE HERE, NEEDS TO ONLY CONSIDER THE WORDS IN BOLD TO SEE WHAT THE REALITY IS.



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UNDERSTAND THIS ABOUT TODAY MANNING, WIKILEAKS AND ASSANGE AND HISTORY.


THE WOLF IS ALWAYS THE WOLF. THAT IS NATURE.


NATURE DOES NOT REGRESS, IT EVOLVES. UNDERSTAND.


Wolves do not evolve into better things...and they ALWAYS need to EAT. THAT IS WHAT THEY DO IN NATURE.


That is what is happening here... The Wolf does not become something better....it's ORIGIN is still that of a WOLF.

That is the WORLD.

People need to look around, and pick up a book or two. We need more than books right now.



PFC MANNING SITS IN THE SAME PLACE AS OTHERS HAVE ALREADY SAT. HISTORY OF MAN REPEATS ITSELF WHEN IT IS ALLOWED TO DO SO. IT ALWAYS DOES WHEN THERE IS NO JUSTICE AND CORRUPTION.

The Falcon and the Snowman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falcon_and_the_Snowman


The Falcon and the Snowman is based on the true story of former altar boy and former Catholic seminary student Christopher Boyce and fellow former altar boy turned drug dealer Andrew Daulton Lee, two young men from wealthy California families who sold classified government information to the Soviet Union during the mid 1970s.


--WHAT DID THEY EXPOSE? CIA CORRUPTION IN AUSTRALIA. AUSTRALIAN ELECTIONS. INTERFERENCE.


THINK OF THIS INSANITY.......NOW PEOPLE LIKE MURDOCH AND HIS FOX NEWS HELP CORRODE OUR OWN DEMOCRACY...




DO PEOPLE HERE TRUST THESE MEN? OR THE WAY THAT THE WORLD WORKS? I SIDE WITH WHAT I SEE OF THE WORLD. NOT WHAT SOMEONE TELLS ME TO SEE.


HISTORY HAS REPEATED ITSELF. WHY IS FOX AND MURDOCH ANY DIFFERENT THAN THIS? THAN NATURE EVEN? THEY ARE NOT GOD!!!!! THEY ARE THE WOLF AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE WOLF. SEE IT.


THERE MUST BE JUSTICE FOR ASSANGE. OTHERWISE MORE INNOCENT MEN GO TO PRISONS FOR THE CRIME OF REPORTING TORTURERS AND MURDERERS.

ELSE HISTORY WILL REPEAT ITSELF YET AGAIN...IT MUST STOP.



It is all just insane. BUT NORMAL. IT IS THE CURRENT NATURE OF THINGS UNLESS PEOPLE CHANGE THEM. IT IS OUR WORLD AFTER ALL.


PEOPLE MUST MAKE THE PROPER CHOICES. ASSANGE IS MAKING THE PROPER CHOICES.



SNAKES DO NOT CHANGE ON THEIR OWN EITHER. PERIOD. AND THERE ARE SNAKES INVOLVED IN THIS BUSINESS.

ASSANGE CAN NEVER BE GIVEN TO AMERICA UNTIL THERE IS CHANGE AND JUSTICE. PERIOD.

THERE MUST BE JUSTICE. NO MORE HISTORY. WE ARE HERE AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE SAME SORT OF CRIMES




PEOPLE HERE IN AMERICA ALSO BETTER LOOK AT WHY MURDOCH WILL SOON BE COMING HERE WITH HIS BILLIONS....

Rupert Murdoch snubs Britain and says he will invest his billions in the US
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014154894


CONSIDER EVERYTHING IN THIS BUSINESS. ALWAYS CONSIDER EVERY SINGLE POSSIBILITY OR OUTCOME. IMAGINE EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE IT IS. JUST THINK.

IF ANYTHING, CONSIDER THE IRONY OF ALL THIS....IT IS SICKENING.

WE ARE HERE AGAIN BECAUSE OF FASCISM AND AUSTRALIA (CIA), NOW AN AUSTRALIAN AND FASCISM IN AMERICA (MURDOCH)

PEOPLE ALREADY IN PRISON IN THE 1960S FOR EXPOSING SIMILAR CRIMES, THE SAME SORT OF CRIMES IN FACT.

MANNING IN PRISON AND TORTURED FOR EXPOSING SAME SORT OF CRIMES IN 2009.


WIKILEAKS....


HERE WE ARE AGAIN...JUSTICE JUSTICE JUSTICE.

WE NEED TO CHOP THE HEAD OFF OF THIS SNAKE....PERIOD. OTHERWISE IT WILL CONTINUE TO KILL PEOPLE.

WHEN DO WE KILL THIS SNAKE, ONCE AND FOR ALL, THAT POISONS OUR COUNTRY AND OUR DEMOCRACY. IT ALSO POISONS OTHER COUNTRIES. IT MUST STOP.

HERE WE ARE AGAIN...JUSTICE JUSTICE JUSTICE.


KNOW YOUR HISTORY AND CURRENT EVENTS. DO NOT LET PROPAGANDISTS LIE TO YOU. I SEE IT HAPPEN ACROSS AMERICA. I SEE IT HERE ON THIS BOARD EVEN IN SOME PEOPLE...THEY ARE PROPAGANDISTS TOO, THEY SPREAD MISINFORMATION, THEY MEAN TO DECEIVE SAME AS KNOWN TORTURERS ALWAYS DECEIVE. IGNORE THEM. THEY DO NOT LIKE JUSTICE ANYWAY AND WE ARE NOT CONCERNED WITH WHAT THEY LIKE. JUSTICE REALLY DOES NOT CARE WHAT THEY LIKE EITHER, IT IS JUSTICE. THEY ARE CRIMINALS.

WE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, THE WORLD DOES. WE KNOW ALL OF THE PARTIES IN THESE AFFAIRS. PERIOD.


NEVER LET A FOOL TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES IN THE WORLD. FOOLS LIE, OR PERHAPS THEY JUST DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER ANYWAY...EITHER WAY. SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES, LEARN HISTORY, AND TODAY MAKES MORE SENSE THEN.

YOU WILL THEN UNDERSTAND WHY ASSANGE CAN NEVER BE DELIVERED TO AMERICA. PERIOD. NOT UNTIL THERE IS OTHER JUSTICE. PERIOD. THERE ARE TORTURERS AND MURDERERS STILL WALKING FREE IN AMERICA THAT ARE TIED TO THESE EVENTS. THEY WANT ASSANGE TOO. THE WORLD CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. THERE MUST BE TRUTH AND JUSTICE. PERIOD.

IN THE REAL WORLD, ALWAYS CONSIDER HISTORY AND EVERYTHING YOU SEE AROUND YOU. PERIOD.



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THIS MAN WAS ONE OF MY TEACHERS AND MY LEADER AT ONE POINT IN MY LIFE. HE WAS A SMART MAN AND I AM GLAD THAT HE TAUGHT ME. THIS POST IS WRITTEN WITH HIM IN MIND:

CSM JAMES (STACY) ADAMS

"Unanswered Questions About a Military Leader's Sudden Death"

James Stacy "Rock" Adams, the senior enlisted leader of the scandal-scarred 302nd Military Intelligence Battalion


http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Defensewatch_052504_Galland,00.html


THIS MAN WAS A LEADER. AND HE WAS MORAL. HE UNDERSTOOD WHAT IS JUST. I LEARNED A LOT FROM HIM. AND I THANK HIM FOR TEACHING ME WHAT HE DID.

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JUSTICE:

I KNOW ALL THAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. I HAVE BEEN EDUCATED. AND I UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS. I LIVE IN IT. AND I KNOW WHEN I SEE EVIL. AND I SEE IT. THIS ENTIRE AFFAIR REEKS OF IT. IT HAS THAT STENCH TO IT.

TORTURE IS MORAL COWARDICE.

ASSANGE CAN NEVER BE DELIVERED TO AMERICA UNTIL THERE IS OTHER JUSTICE FIRST. DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER THIS IS VIA SWEDEN, ENGLAND, OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. PERIOD.





















Meanwhile.....The Progression continues......

[Spider Jerusalem]

22. You know, it's really quite amusing...

to see you ranting about "un-American" as regards the legal decision of a British court (to extradite Assange on the basis of a Swedish warrant) and of the London police (to enforce that extradition order and to order Assange to surrender himself for extradition). "American" doesn't enter into it.

[go west young man]

6. Man WHO PEE"D IN YOUR CHEERIO"S?!!!!!

[leftynyc]

36. Agree but I'm not waiting

The poster has round the bend with the all caps or bolding crap. It's nothing but a distraction and I couldn't care less what he/she has to say on any topic.

[midnight]

9. True..

[cpwm17]

32. When I see all caps I always skid post

I do the same for posts without paragraphs.

They're both harder to read and they show a lack of effort from the writer.

[TBF]

2. He's in an embassy - can they arrest someone in another country's embassy? nt

[randome]

3. I'm guessing not.

But they can certainly deliver all the letters they want!

[OnyxCollie]

8. Well, they can assassinate a US citizen

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residing in another country based on a suspicion of terrorism and without due process, so I doubt an arrest in another country's embassy would present much of a problem.

Edit to add: My use of "they" was referring to the US. The OP is about Great Britain, so my use of "they" was inappropriate in this thread. For that, I apologize.

The British are much too polite to go around assassinating their own citizens based on suspicion of terrorism and without due process.

[randome]

11. Embassies are like sanctified places of worship in 'Highlander'.

No one dares cross that line.

[cstanleytech]

16. Plus this isnt like hes in a hostile country and perhaps armed and potentially dangerous with the

ability to possibly order a bunch of suicide bombers to strike at certain targets in retribution who in the process murder an unknown number of innocent civilians.

[Scairp]

12. No way it's sovereign

But he is stuck in there and cannot leave the grounds at all. If he tries to slip out they will pick him up immediately. I imagine they are stationed outside all the time in the event he would try to get out of the country.

[cstanleytech]

17. Bingo. To be honest I suspect there will be a deal made that he wont be

sent to the US to be prosecuted as long as he cooperates with the investigation and agrees to give testimony in the trial against Manning on whether Manning gave him the embassy memos.

[coalition_unwilling]

18. I highly doubt that the journalist Assange would ever agree

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to burn one of his sources (Manning). That flies in the face of the fundamental canon of judicial ethics. For journalists, protecting your sources is right up there with doctor-patient and lawyer-client confidentiality.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

19. I don't think he agrees with ya if this quote is accurate

"Well, they're informants," Assange replied. "So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it."

[randome]

20. Ouch!

[EFerrari]

21. He wasn't talking about sources.

He was talking about locals in a battle zone that informed to the Americans. Which is an entirely different matter.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

23. sources, informants, close to the same thing in my eyes

It could be argued that Manning was Assange's informant in regards to the information he got sent(doesn't have to be an battle zone for the term to be valid after all, mostly depends on if you consider Assange to be a proper journalist or not). Its also just as easy to make the claim that those who informed the Americans about what was going on et al, was their sources.

Do you agree with Assanges statement that i posted tho or disagree?

[EFerrari]

24. Assange and Wikileaks have been and are very supportive of Manning

so of course I don't agree with the context you're trying to wrench this statement into.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

25. Evasive answer more then anything.

Lets try once more in a more basic manner.

Do you agree that somebody deserves to die if they are caught being an informant?

[coalition_unwilling]

29. Wait a second. You're arguing that someone informing on the resistance to

an illegal army of occupation is the same thing as a whistleblower who blows the whistle on same illegal army of occupation?

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth but it feels like you're trying to damn Assange by setting up a false equivalence between Manning as a source and informants.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

31. I don't need to try damning him by setting up a false equivalence

In my eyes his own words damn him, and i have no trouble seeing him toss Manning to the wolves if he thinks that it would save his own skin.

part of my post merely points out that Informants and sources can be quite interchangeable words depending on how you frame your statement

As for the whistle blower classification, considering the proper channels were not followed I don't think the term is accurate for manning.(I will clarify this statement with that I fully support manning in regards to the information he released that involved war crimes or other criminal/corrupt acts. However I also feel that he should face the consequences of having released a large amount of classified information that had nothing to do with criminal or corrupt acts since in my eyes the release of former does not excuse the release of the latter.)

[coalition_unwilling]

37. Many of your arguments appeared almost verbatim in

the National Security apparatus' campaign against Daniel Ellsberg some 40 years ago. Only the names have changed. Interestingly, Ellsberg took the Pentagon Papers to a couple sympathetic congresspeople first (Fulbright and, IIRC, Wayne Morse) but got no help or support from them, hence his leaks to the NY Times and other newspapers.

With his own chain of command implicated in war crimes in Iraq, what was Manning supposed to have done? Stayed within that same corrupted chain of command? Go to a Congress whose majority leader (Pelosi) had already declared impeachment "off the table"?

In an ironic twist, Nixon went after Ellsberg not b/c the PP revealed anything about Nixon's own administration. (They stopped with LBJ.) Nixon was worried, though, that Ellsberg had the goods on him re illegal bombing of Cambodia and would release them if Nixon did not pre-empt him. And therein in his paranoia lay the seeds of Watergate and Nixon's subsequent resignation. And Nixon and Kissinger wanted to send a message to other potential whistleblowers about the consequences they would face for coming forward.

Just a little historical context within which to place Manning and Assange and Operation Shocking and Awful.

[cstanleytech]

26. So are you saying then that you dont believe Manning is the one that supplied the memos? nt

[coalition_unwilling]

28. I hope it's not heterodox to say "I don't know." What I do know is that

journalists take their promise not to reveal a source's identity pretty damned seriously. If the only way he can get a deal is by burning a source, I highly doubt Assange will do it.

[cstanleytech]

30. Good thing I didnt ask what you know then but rather what you believe.

Also you did know Assange isnt a journalist unless the definition of journalism has been changed from what I checked last in which case I apologize.

[coalition_unwilling]

34. Well, since the advent of the internet, the definition of a journalist has

changed somewhat and maybe not entirely in a positive direction (witness Drudge, HuffPost, ad infinitum).

But as a publisher of Wikileaks, Assange easily satisfies any definition of 'journalism' that is current. If you disagree, your argument is with Wikipedia as much as with myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange

I get the feeling you are trying to pick a fight with me about Manning, Assange and their respective culpability (or lack thereof). I tried to say "I don't know" in an attempt to head off the fight and further discussion. But it seems clear to me from your rather snarky responses that my attempt was in vain.

So I believe we shall have to 'agree to disagree' and leave it at that, as it seems fairly clear that neither of us will convince the other.

[cstanleytech]

38. You do realize that this topic is "about" Assange and in extension Manning though right?

But whatever *shrug*

[greiner3]

13. Interesting twist;

Political Asylum!

[Comrade Grumpy]

14. "Turn yourself in for arrest or you will be arrested."

Except they can't arrest him on the sovereign Ecuadoran territory that is the embassy.

[IamK]

15. I heard he ate all their ceviche' the first night he was there and

leaves the seat up after he pees... trouble is brewing...

[alp227]

27. Update: Assange says NO

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jun/29/julian-assange-police-surrender-bail

[struggle4progress]

33. Julian Assange remains at embassy after failing to report to police

WikiLeaks founder is accused of rape and indecency in Sweden, but says extradition would lead to him facing trial in the US
Alexandra Topping and Conal Urquhart
Friday 29 June 2012 08.30 EDT

... He gave the BBC a list of American politicians and talkshow hosts calling for his death as evidence of the prejudice against him. When asked if he had anything to say to the women who have accused him of rape and indecency, he replied: "I am simply not charged. That's all. That's all that is important in this matter. What has been said to date is sufficient."

Before the Newsnight interview, a police spokesman said: "The Metropolitan police have this morning, Thursday 28 June, served a surrender notice upon a 40-year-old man that requires him to attend a police station at a date and time of our choosing. This is standard practice in extradition cases and is the first step in the removal process."

He said Assange remained in breach of his bail conditions. "Failing to surrender would be a further breach of conditions and he is liable to arrest" ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jun/29/julian-assange-embassy

[dipsydoodle]

35. He's wanted for questioning only in Sweden.

They could only arrest him here if he left the Embassy. The police are well aware that and the instruction to report etc was just an administration issue. I'm not quite sure why it was even reported other than maybe an otherwise dead news day.

Good place to be anyway the Equadorian Embassy - Harrods Food Hall is almost next door.