CMPD Releases Video Of Fatal Shooting Of Keith Lamont Scott

[XemaSab]

Source: WCCB Charlotte

CMPD has released the body and dash cam footage in the Keith Lamont Scott shooting investigation. The video was released days after protesters demanded that the footage be made public.

Scott’s wife released cell phone footage she captured in the moments leading up to the shooting on Friday. That video can be seen HERE.

Complete coverage of the shooting death of Keith Lamont Scott and the protests following his death can be viewed HERE.

The shooting was reported Tuesday afternoon just before 4pm on Old Concord Road near Bonnie Lane and John Kirk Drive.

Read more: http://www.wccbcharlotte.com/2016/09/24/cmpd-releases-video-fatal-shooting-keith-lamont-scott/

[SunSeeker]

1. So awful.

[underpants]

2. Watching later

Thanks

[Old Vet]

3. Appears theres NO magazine in the weapon.................

[ToxMarz]

5. In what weapon

I don't understand what you're referring to

[eyeontheprize]

15. The Police Released Still Pictures

ostensibly of the weapon on the ground. Also of a holster which Mr. Scott supposedly wore on his ankle, but the belt that the held the holster was absent.

There is absolutely no indication of any of this evidence in the video.

[ToxMarz]

16. Yes I saw that after on HP, context would be good

It didn't fit what we were given here

[FBaggins]

20. The holster appears to have an elastic strap attached to it, not a belt.

...and the body cam video appears to show the holster on his leg.

[PersonNumber503602]

34. or a brace for a sprained ankle...

Not saying it either way, but the problem I'm having is that I can't see any gun anywhere in the videos. They all look like they were filmed with potato from the 1800's though. I went through them frame by frame and I couldn't see anything that for sure looks like a gun. I also didn't see anything that looks like the police planted a gun either. There are few places that look suspicious, but if you use all the videos and sync up the times, you can rule out a lot of the claims.

The other thing that bothers me is that he definitely did not point the gun at the police, and it didn't look like he gave any sudden moves to suggest he was. So even if there was a gun, I find the shooting questionable.

Have they even explained why he was given such attention to begin with?

[Sand Rat Expat]

40. From what I recall...

He got out of the car as they approached, then got back in, then got out again. I might be misremembering the original reports, though. But apparently something as normal as getting in/out of a vehicle was enough to attract the officers' attention, which is weird considering he wasn't the dude they were searching for.

[uppityperson]

8. Where is the weapon you refer to? I don't see it.

[Scruffy Rumbler]

4. Safe in my privilege as a white male,

and with empathy nurtured for 4 decades as an open and OUT gay man,
I watch this to witness what is happening in our country at this time in history.

I will remember his name, Keith Lamont Scott.
I reaffirm my commitment to live OUT, OPEN and VOCAL in the support of my fellow humans.
To use my privilege to be a partner in the lives of the oppressed and murdered; to speak out and to be a safe presence for those in need.

[Scruffy1]

18. I gotts hand it to you.

When I was young my attitude towards gay people was pretty much the cultural norm. Now that I'm old my life would be a lot emptier with out my LBGT friends. We live and learn. It took a lot of courage just to be yourself.

[Delphinus]

25. Bravo!

Wonderful statement and way to live your life.

[uppityperson]

6. I don't see a gun in his hand or on the ground. I see no threat to the police either.

[Curtis]

9. Me neither

I walked it through frame by frame and didn't see a damn thing. I used to be a cop and think these guys were unjustified.

[LeftInTX]

12. He seems to just be standing there

His posture looks fairly relaxed, not like someone who could be a threat.

[exboyfil]

7. They need to release the entire dash cam video

We have to see what the officer in red is doing. The video cuts out immediately after the shots. Not releasing it is ridiculous.

Things we can conclude so far:

1. If there was a gun on his person, it had to be in his left hand. It is not in his right hand. Is he left or right handed?
2. He had an ankle holster on his right leg when he was shot.
3. The cops are very fortunate that the wife released her video. After seeing these two you have no evidence of a gun being present. You do have evidence in her video 9 seconds after the shooting (assuming the object which looks like a gun is a gun)
4. How the gun got into its position behind the pick up is a question that could be answered by the dash cam video.
5. Talking about this bag with equipment sounds really bad unless you did have evidence that the gun was on the ground (which I think the wife's video provides).

It is possible that the officer in red grabbed the gun from the ground or the suspect's left hand and pushed it behind the pick up (getting it out of the reach of the suspect). Him later anchoring over it also makes sense since I would want to be sure that it does not wander away or be kicked out of position. Is that typical for police training?

[FBaggins]

10. It may not have finished downloading when you tried it

I wasn't able to see it at all until a couple minutes ago. There's almost a minute and a half of post-shooting footage with a clear view of the officer in red (from the waist up).

http://www.wccbcharlotte.com/2016/09/24/cmpd-releases-video-fatal-shooting-keith-lamont-scott/#slide1

[B2G]

11. I wondered if that was an ankle holster

As well as if he was left handed.

[Curtis]

13. In one of the frames

You can see his left hand swipe behind hip palm out toward the camera. Natural movement after exiting a vehicle for someone with hip or back pain as he was reported to have after his motorcycle accident. Anyway, no gun in his left hand.

Later, in other frames, you see his right hand hanging low, with nothing in his right hand either.

Did he have an ankle holster? Who cares. He didn't have a gun in his hands from the looks of the video.

He stood there and looked confused as to what was happening. Then bang! He's dead.

[Sunny05]

22. Quick note to Curtis --

My reply (#21) is to post #7 but was brought to mind by your post as well -- the point about his seeming confused. I think he was indeed confused and then misunderstood and ... well ...

[Sunny05]

21. Indeed it has been suggested that he was confused, that unmarked cars

being what pulled up first may have been confusing (perhaps thought he was being robbed).

Then there's the history of the TBI and his not being able to communicate well.

And to think this started with the officers looking for someone else. While looking for someone else, they happen to pull up next to this unfortunate man.

The police report that they thought they saw a marijuana blunt but didn't think that was as high priority as the actual suspect (again, different person from Mr Scott). They thought they saw that.

Then one or more police said he/they saw a gun and that that plus the alleged marijuana led them to yell at him to get out ... eventually pulling out baton to break the window.

So, they "thought" they saw this-and-that in the car. And the car was not that of their suspect and not one they had a search warrant for. And it's an open-carry state.

I try to remain objective and remember that more facts may come out. But right now, it seems to me that NC is also an "open season" state.

[Curtis]

32. You are so right

(Saw your quick note to me)

I suffer from a TBI but am lucky and still have a very high level of functionality overall. However, I do get overwhelmed with forms (I use to work law enforcement and years ago politics so paperwork used to be nothing) and I can get overwhelmed and act out aggressively when I feel ganged up on if more than one person is telling me to do something. So, I totally noticed and understand his body language in the video.

As for NC being an open season area, it's not just limited to that areas I'm afraid. This is a nationwide problem that is going to take some fundamental changed to our training of police forces to get this under control.

Some ideas can be:

-make cops carry insurance like docs have to carry malpractice insurance
-make payments to families of victims come from retirement funds so good cops stand up and chase out the bad ones
-a 2 year work cycle where they work for 18 months and are forced to take 6 months off paid. Some other countries have done this type of thing and it's helped with burnout tremendously
-make it where when a cop loses a job due to abuse (including racism) or resigns while under investigation for abuse they can never be a cop anywhere ever again

Bottom line is something needs to change

[Sunny05]

33. Thank you and wow and good ideas ...

Thank you for posting again. I wanted to share my reply with any who would read it, but it seemed most directly a response to yours and the OP.

I hope your situation with your TBI improves if possible; I definitely hope it doesn't cause you undue burdens. I appreciate your sharing that.

And it sounds like you have good ideas about situations like these. They need you on a task force!

Ummm, about the whole nation, not just NC, oh, I hear you. It is unbelievable. That is such an understatement. It sounds so trite. But the nation's situation in this regard is unbelievable. And, hell, there aren't any words to do justice to describing it, anyway.

Take care, Curtis.

[eyeontheprize]

14. CNN Just Played a Two Miute Clip of the Dash Cam

The most telling part is the undercover cop wiping something down in the last couple seconds. It was very strange.

[uppityperson]

17. Thank you, I just watched the last 10 sec. He's handed something and wipes it.

[PersonNumber503602]

35. I saw that too, or at least I think we're thinking about the same moment.

I don't think there is anything there, though. If you can find the video from the wife, you can see that very moment from another angle on clearer video.

I went through the videos frame by frame and couldn't find anything that looked like a gun though.

[spiderpig]

19. CNN initially said they had the video but were editing it for language

FFS - whatever was said, a man was shot to death and captured on video - and they're worried about "language"????????

[Sunny05]

23. Really.

Oh, let's not offend anyone.
(Said most facetiously.)

[Sand Rat Expat]

41. Wouldn't that be the FCC's fault, rather than CNN's?

I realize that CNN isn't broadcast over the airwaves, but still, I think federal regs do apply in some way to cable news stations. I very much doubt it was any kind of prudish distaste on CNN's part. I think they wanted to avoid a fine. Although I noticed yesterday when I watched Mrs. Scott's video, the subtitles had the swearing *'d out, but there were no bleeps in the audio. Weird.

[Sunny05]

24. K&R. And is there a way to re-post this at time

when DU has more traffic? This is important, and I have a feeling more DUers would be seeing this and recommending it if the videos hadn't come out on a Saturday evening.

I'm just glad that XemaSab posted this -- and of course XemaSab couldn't help the timing -- and want more see it.

Thanks

[gwheezie]

26. I keep going back to the beginning

If they were setting up to catch someone else why a guy with a gun and maybe weed set them off on a tangent

[csziggy]

39. Because it was a big black guy - that's the only reason I can see

Big black man sitting in a car in a parking lot by himself doing nothing in particular - instantly suspicious to many cops.

What I find interesting is that while they have claimed they found the gun they claim they saw Scott with, so far I have not heard any official statement that they found pot they claim he had. I wonder if he was rolling a tobacco cigarette, not a blunt? Some states have higher taxes on cigarettes than on loose tobacco and some smokers roll their own as a result.

[Beaverhausen]

27. The police created the situation

Why did they need him to get out of his car? He was no threat in his car.

Fuck them.

[IcyPeas]

28. ^^this^^

exactly. the police came looking for someone else at this location. supposedly saw him in his car with a blunt and holding a gun. then the police drove away, put on vests and came back. WTF?

and to me the new video looks like he walks out of his car and walks backwards like 3 steps and they shoot him.

convenient that the shooter guy didn't have to wear a f'ing body camera.

call me doubtful and suspicious.

[R Merm]

31. Also NC is an open carry state, the presence of a gun in the vehicle should not justify their action

.

[FBaggins]

38. No matter how many times that's repeated, it's just one hundred percent wrong.

Just like the consumption of alcohol can make it illegal to drive a car, the consumption of marijuana overrides open carry.

[Sand Rat Expat]

42. The officer who actually fired was in plain clothes at the time, rather than in uniform.

Be kind of a dead giveaway if plainclothes cops are wearing body-cams, wouldn't it?

[etherealtruth]

30. Looking at the video on CNN, the police created and then escalated the situation

"there is no definitive visual evidence that he had a gun in his hand."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/24/us/charlotte-keith-lamont-scott-shooting-video/index.html

[etherealtruth]

29. "there is no definitive visual evidence that he had a gun in his hand."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/24/us/charlotte-keith-lamont-scott-shooting-video/index.html

[Helen Borg]

36. Can anyone see a gun?

...

[Helen Borg]

37. The guy with the red shirt...

Was trying to hold the wound. But 4 shots were fired at close range...