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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:10 AM Oct 2016

Humans aren’t the only great apes that can 'read minds'

Source: Science

All great mind reading begins with chocolate. That’s the basis for a classic experiment that tests whether children have something called theory of mind—the ability to attribute desires, intentions, and knowledge to others. When they see someone hide a chocolate bar in a box, then leave the room while a second person sneaks in and hides it elsewhere, they have to guess where the first person will look for the bar. If they guess “in the original box,” they pass the test, and show they understand what’s going on in the first person’s mind—even when it doesn’t match reality.

For years, only humans were thought to have this key cognitive skill of attributing “false belief,” which is believed to underlie deception, empathy, teaching, and perhaps even language. But three species of great apes—chimpanzees, bonobos, and orangutans—also know when someone holds a false belief, according to a new study published today in Science. The groundbreaking study suggests that this skill likely can be traced back to the last common ancestor of great apes and humans, and may be found in other species.

“Testing the idea that nonhuman [animals] can have minds has been the Rubicon that skeptics have again and again said no nonhuman has ever, or will ever, cross,” says Brian Hare, an evolutionary anthropologist at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, who was not involved in the study. “Well, back to the drawing board!”

For nearly 40 years, animal cognition researchers have had mixed results in showing that our close ape relatives—and animals such as monkeys, jays, and crows—understood that their fellows had minds, a talent thought to come in handy in complex societies, where figuring out another’s plans can help animals thrive. Some tests have shown that chimpanzees had some building blocks of theory of mind: They can deceive, recognize others’ motives, and remember who is a good partner on collaborative tasks. They can also tell what another chimp can and cannot see, and they can reason about the movement of objects they themselves can’t directly see. But they—and other primates—had not been shown to hold false belief.

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Read more: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/10/humans-aren-t-only-great-apes-can-read-minds

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Humans aren’t the only great apes that can 'read minds' (Original Post) bananas Oct 2016 OP
Also reported in The Guardian bananas Oct 2016 #1
It's like they say about the big cats.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2016 #2
But but but tavernier Oct 2016 #8
The same big cats know where prey gather. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2016 #9
Humans aren’t the only great apes that can 'read minds' wpx Oct 2016 #3
Add to this the British study showing that consciousness is a continuum across all life -- byronius Oct 2016 #4
Although we are primates, padfun Oct 2016 #5
Told you. randome Oct 2016 #6
Oh, Yah - Read this you pansy packman Oct 2016 #7
Did they not test gorillas? surrealAmerican Oct 2016 #10

bananas

(27,509 posts)
1. Also reported in The Guardian
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:18 AM
Oct 2016
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/oct/06/apes-can-guess-what-others-are-thinking-just-like-humans

Apes can guess what others are thinking - just like humans, study finds

Research indicates apes are able to predict one another’s beliefs and suggests that other primates have complex inner lives

Hannah Devlin
Thursday 6 October 2016 14.00 EDT

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The findings overturn the view that the ability to place oneself in another’s shoes is uniquely human.

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Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
2. It's like they say about the big cats....
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:36 AM
Oct 2016

Lions, leopards etc. can walk over the tracks of a herd of gazelle but if they can't see them and cant smell them they don't exist.

The part of the mind that connects tracks on the ground with the animal that made them is missing.

tavernier

(12,369 posts)
8. But but but
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 11:05 AM
Oct 2016

Our neighborhood cat comes and hides under our car next to the bird feeder waiting for feathered friends to show up. She's too fat to jump as high as the feeder, but she's hunting in her head, whiskers twitching.

wpx

(1 post)
3. Humans aren’t the only great apes that can 'read minds'
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:48 AM
Oct 2016

It’s a very surprising and novel finding,” says Victoria Southgate, a developmental psychologist at the University of London, who helped create the eye-tracking technique to test 2-year-old infants and was not involved in this research. “It’s an almost exact replication of the study we did, and the apes appear to pass. It suggests that the capacity to track others’ perspectives and beliefs is not unique to humans.” read more at : breaking news today

byronius

(7,391 posts)
4. Add to this the British study showing that consciousness is a continuum across all life --
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 03:21 AM
Oct 2016

and it'll make you think we should start re-thinking a few basic assumptions drilled into us as children.

Like meat.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. Told you.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:44 AM
Oct 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]
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