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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 04:25 PM Oct 2016

Convoy of Russian warships to approach British waters en route to Mediterranean

Source: The Guardian

A fleet of Russian warships is heading towards the Mediterranean on a route past the British Isles in what is believed to be the country’s largest naval deployment since the cold war.

An MoD spokesman said: “When these ships near our waters we will man-mark them every step of the way. We will be watching as part of our steadfast commitment to keep Britain safe.”

It is not clear if the fleet will pass via the North Sea and Channel or west of Ireland. It includes the aircraft carrier the Admiral Kuznetsov, which is reported to be carrying fighter bombers and is accompanied by several other Russian vessels.

The convoy was photographed by the Norwegian military as it journeyed through nearby international waters on its way to Syria where it is thought they will participate in a final assault on the besieged city of Aleppo.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/19/convoy-of-russian-warships-on-route-past-british-isles



Information on current Russian deployment. As reported earlier, Russia has deployed all of the Northern Fleet and some of its Baltic Fleet
https://twitter.com/DEFCONWS/status/788837330970775552
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Convoy of Russian warships to approach British waters en route to Mediterranean (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Oct 2016 OP
Makes one wonder why they are moving the entire northern fleet? Old Vet Oct 2016 #1
Its expensive to transport ordinance & ammo to Syria Mongol-in-SD Oct 2016 #2
but, but, but DK504 Oct 2016 #9
They're all murderous bastards. EL34x4 Oct 2016 #13
Syrians who organized peaceful demonstrations against the Assad regime for... Nitram Oct 2016 #17
How many of those good guys are there though? PersonNumber503602 Oct 2016 #28
Not just the northern fleet, but they pulled significant numbers from the Baltic fleet, too Brother Buzz Oct 2016 #6
THIS IS WAR: Putin sends largest fleet of Russian ships since Cold War to Syria Baclava Oct 2016 #20
The Admiral Kuznetsov was supposed to be off Syria in July, but never made it Brother Buzz Oct 2016 #21
I don't know - it was due for a refit and overhaul next year Baclava Oct 2016 #22
" " " " " n/t MBS Oct 2016 #14
Quite a while ago, Vlad was fixing up a port facility he has in Syria. MADem Oct 2016 #15
K&R red dog 1 Oct 2016 #3
Adm Kuznetsov Task Group tcbrola Oct 2016 #5
Both the Kuznetsov and Pyotr (the Great) are nuclear powered. Mongol-in-SD Oct 2016 #12
Kuznetsov is not a nuke. Angleae Oct 2016 #25
One can assume that they are likely being Sherman A1 Oct 2016 #7
A lot more than that are following them Baclava Oct 2016 #29
Dang, trying to remember the last time a US navy warship put out clouds of black smoke.. EX500rider Oct 2016 #30
To compliment anti-aircraft installation in Syria to shoot Panich52 Oct 2016 #8
Nah...Naval Flankers (Su-27s) are surface attack platforms.. Mongol-in-SD Oct 2016 #10
LOL. Their lone aircraft carrier. Rex Oct 2016 #11
Assad will never be able to pay those lease bills. Sunlei Oct 2016 #23
The last time Russia sent units from the Northern and Baltic fleets abroad jrandom421 Oct 2016 #27
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Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
1. Makes one wonder why they are moving the entire northern fleet?
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 04:35 PM
Oct 2016

What the hell is Putin up to and whos chain is he trying to pull?

Mongol-in-SD

(4 posts)
2. Its expensive to transport ordinance & ammo to Syria
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:02 PM
Oct 2016

So sending a fully stocked aircraft carrier & her battle group solves the supply issue while increasing effective fire power. Besides, this deployment is 3 battle groups (Kirov class cruisers) short of the Northern fleet.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
9. but, but, but
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 06:09 PM
Oct 2016

But Pooty Poots is our friend and wants to get rid of ISIS too, he'd never assist a murderous bastard like Assad.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
13. They're all murderous bastards.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:53 PM
Oct 2016

There aren't any good guys in Syria. I really don't care what side Russia picks.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
17. Syrians who organized peaceful demonstrations against the Assad regime for...
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:44 AM
Oct 2016

...detention without trial, torture and murder are the good guys. In case you missed it, the Assad regime attacked these peaceful demonstrations with armed force, killing and arresting the protestors. When they fought back, that was the beginning of a civil war. The idea that there "are no good guys in Syria" is Russian propaganda designed to scare the West away. Of course, there are many fewer good guys now that millions have fled the country to become refugees.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
28. How many of those good guys are there though?
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 10:30 AM
Oct 2016

Assad is an asshole, but if Assad falls who will ultimately gain the most power in Syria?

I'm not cheerleading Russia or Assad, but do the pros of ousting Assad outweigh the cons? Yeah, it's awful for those who have suffered at Assad's hands, but how much more will/have suffered at the hands of ISIS and other Jihadist groups?

Brother Buzz

(36,416 posts)
6. Not just the northern fleet, but they pulled significant numbers from the Baltic fleet, too
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:57 PM
Oct 2016

Go for broke!

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
20. THIS IS WAR: Putin sends largest fleet of Russian ships since Cold War to Syria
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:28 PM
Oct 2016

The fleet, which is making its way into British waters, is carrying fighter bombers that are likely to reinforce a final assault on the besieged Syrian city of Aleppo in two weeks.

A senior NATO diplomat said: "They are deploying all of the Northern fleet and much of the Baltic fleet in the largest surface deployment since the end of the Cold War.

"This is not a friendly port call. In two weeks, we will see a crescendo of air attacks on Aleppo as part of Russia's strategy to declare victory there."

The Royal Navy is monitoring the warships including the sole Russian aircraft carrier, Admiral Kuznetsov - the warship is thought to be carrying 15 Su-33 and MIG-29K jet fighters and over 10 Ka-52K, Ka-27 and -31 helicopters to support the Syrian army in eastern Aleppo - the nuclear powered Kirov Class Battlecruiser, Pyotr Velikiy and two Udaloy Class Destroyers, Vice Admiral Kulakov and Severomorsk which passed through Bergen, Norway today.









http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/723131/Vladimir-Putin-sends-largest-fleet-Russian-warships-Cold-War-Syria-Assad-English-Channel


Brother Buzz

(36,416 posts)
21. The Admiral Kuznetsov was supposed to be off Syria in July, but never made it
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:36 PM
Oct 2016

I guess the finally got it fixed. Do we know what was busted?

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
22. I don't know - it was due for a refit and overhaul next year
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:53 PM
Oct 2016
http://mil.today/2016/Navy6/

It must have passed sea trials after latest repairs


Russian Aircraft Carrier Laid Out for Airwing Drills Before Deployment in Mediterranean

Drills of the renewed air group will be continued onboard the carrier, including helicopters Ka-52K and fighter jets MiG-29K/KUB.

http://mil.today/2016/Exercises4/

MADem

(135,425 posts)
15. Quite a while ago, Vlad was fixing up a port facility he has in Syria.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:13 PM
Oct 2016

He's planning on a forward deployment.

tcbrola

(16 posts)
5. Adm Kuznetsov Task Group
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:48 PM
Oct 2016

This group is composed of one Kuznetsov-class CV, one Kirov-class CGN Pyotr Veliky, two Udaloy DDGs Vice Admiral Kulakov and Severomorsk and several naval auxillaries (fleet tankers and repair ships). I expect the the Kuznetsov and the Kirov to experience engineering casualties in their propulsion plants since these ships have not been at sea for some years.

Mongol-in-SD

(4 posts)
12. Both the Kuznetsov and Pyotr (the Great) are nuclear powered.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:29 PM
Oct 2016

So its closed cycle steam turbine / direct transmission. Not much to worry about the running gear,..at least.

Angleae

(4,482 posts)
25. Kuznetsov is not a nuke.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:53 PM
Oct 2016

She has old-school boilers installed. The Kirovs are nuclear powered however, but they have have no end of problems with that powerplant.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
7. One can assume that they are likely being
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:57 PM
Oct 2016

shadowed by both US and UK submarines during this little excursion.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
29. A lot more than that are following them
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 10:36 AM
Oct 2016


War's a'comin!


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EX500rider

(10,839 posts)
30. Dang, trying to remember the last time a US navy warship put out clouds of black smoke..
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 01:13 PM
Oct 2016

...not on purpose...

Mongol-in-SD

(4 posts)
10. Nah...Naval Flankers (Su-27s) are surface attack platforms..
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:18 PM
Oct 2016

Kirov class cruisers are the backbone of the Russian cruise missile force..again ground attack capable.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. LOL. Their lone aircraft carrier.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:24 PM
Oct 2016

Are they towing it with all those other ships or does it run on its own power?

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