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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 06:58 AM Oct 2016

Philippines president Duterte says 'time to say goodbye' to America

Source: The Guardian

President Rodrigo Duterte met with his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping Thursday, state media said, as the Philippines’ leader seeks closer ties with the Asian giant while blasting his US allies.

Duterte is in China for a four-day trip that is expected to confirm his tilt away from Washington and towards Beijing’s sphere of influence.

The two leaders were to hold official talks and sign a “series of cooperation documents”, the official Xinhua news service reported.

Duterte is hoping to take advantage of Beijing’s deep pockets to score a raft of trade and infrastructure deals.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/20/philippines-president-duterte-says-time-to-say-goodbye-to-america



Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte declares his country's 'separation' from the US

The Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has announced his "separation" from the United States.

He made the comment at a business forum in the presence of Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Gaoli at Beijing's Great Hall of the People during a four-day state visit to China.

It follows Mr Duterte's admission that a close economic partnership with China is his nation’s “only hope” following a cooling of relations with the US.

“Maybe because I am Chinese, I believe in sincerity,” he said in an extended interview with Chinese state broadcaster CCTV, when asked why the Philippines had changed its policy towards China.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/rodrigo-duterte-partnership-with-china-is-only-hope-for-philippines-a7371141.html
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Philippines president Duterte says 'time to say goodbye' to America (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Oct 2016 OP
Good riddance tenaciousdem Oct 2016 #1
Same way Trump became the nominee of the Republican Party or Reagan became President DFW Oct 2016 #3
except this guy actually has support from most of the country JI7 Oct 2016 #12
I think one factor is the same: education DFW Oct 2016 #13
It was RIGGED 🙄 Lol PunksMom Oct 2016 #29
Buh bye, dum dum. Mc Mike Oct 2016 #2
Hard to blame them. AngryAmish Oct 2016 #4
How has being a Chinese colony worked out for Tibet? nt geek tragedy Oct 2016 #16
So long, been nice knowing ya! nt MrScorpio Oct 2016 #7
Will this guy end up in prison after robbing the country blind? Democat Oct 2016 #8
Well, ain't that a kick! Friend of mine lives there... Grins Oct 2016 #9
Unfortunately, Duterte is wildly popular in the Phillippines. geek tragedy Oct 2016 #15
Philippines just became a colony of China. geek tragedy Oct 2016 #14
Nah, he's just playing US against China for a better deal (aka more $$$) from the US harun Oct 2016 #19
he called President Obama a "son of a whore" again. geek tragedy Oct 2016 #21
Well, Bye Tempest Oct 2016 #17
Exactly what I was going to post. nt awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #41
Now you see why Obama is pushing for the TPP Yavin4 Oct 2016 #18
Duterte may have gotten there before the TPP could. harun Oct 2016 #20
Back in August, the Philippines were in talks about joining the TPP Yavin4 Oct 2016 #22
China and its colonies aren't eligible for the TPP, so they're precluded now nt geek tragedy Oct 2016 #23
Which is my point. Yavin4 Oct 2016 #24
I expect we'll see a revised TPP get passed under Clinton geek tragedy Oct 2016 #25
I hope so too. Yavin4 Oct 2016 #26
Hasta la vista, baby! Coventina Oct 2016 #31
Lata nt broadcaster75201 Oct 2016 #34
Yeah, okay, good luck with that. nt Maven Oct 2016 #35
With TPP Going Down, Smart Move for Duarte TomCADem Oct 2016 #36
What are his substantive complaints moondust Oct 2016 #37
Allrighty then, don't come crying to us when China takes what's left of your waters from you. Downtown Hound Oct 2016 #38
Considering most of the drugs in his country come from China, color me not suprised. haele Oct 2016 #40
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tenaciousdem

(104 posts)
1. Good riddance
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 07:08 AM
Oct 2016

to bad rubbish. The man is a thug of the highest caliber. How this man ever became President of the Philippines is mind boggling!

DFW

(54,055 posts)
3. Same way Trump became the nominee of the Republican Party or Reagan became President
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 07:39 AM
Oct 2016

Blustery rhetoric and an opposition who didn't take his chances seriously enough until it was too late.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
12. except this guy actually has support from most of the country
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:12 AM
Oct 2016

Which does not speak well of that country .

Even trump will get far more support than he should while still losing.

DFW

(54,055 posts)
13. I think one factor is the same: education
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:20 AM
Oct 2016

There are proportionately less well-educated Filipinos than there are well-educated Americans. The proportions show: while the less-educated support the one with the anger and the easy slogans, the better-educated tend to go with the one who says flat-out there are no simple solutions. This goes for both countries, and is why Duterte could win while Trump cannot.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
8. Will this guy end up in prison after robbing the country blind?
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:43 AM
Oct 2016

He wouldn't be the first Philippines president to go that way.

Grins

(7,134 posts)
9. Well, ain't that a kick! Friend of mine lives there...
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:57 AM
Oct 2016

Known him since 3rd grade. Visited the P, met a beautiful woman there and married her, has kids - and twice a month he and his fellow locals take a weekend to go into the bush and train, military style. Serious. Training. Everyone armed.

Training to fight President Duterte?

No. The Chinese! That's the big dragon they fear, esp. with the incursions by China into the South China Sea. They figure shit's-going-to hit-the-fan one day on this, so time to get prepared. And they want the US Navy to come back!

And now Duterte does this?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. Unfortunately, Duterte is wildly popular in the Phillippines.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:37 AM
Oct 2016

Apparently they're good with being a Chinese colony so long as the law against murder doesn't get enforced.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. Philippines just became a colony of China.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:36 AM
Oct 2016

China owns the South China Sea now that its rabid little lap dog Duterte is in the process of giving it to them.

Anyhow, time to cancel not only our military bases but all forms of aid there.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. he called President Obama a "son of a whore" again.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:00 AM
Oct 2016

That's not going to produce any more $$.

It'll just cause us to divert our resources to our true friends in the region, Japan and South Korea.

I hope making an enemy of the US was worth the ability to commit murder with impunity to Filipinos.

Yavin4

(35,357 posts)
24. Which is my point.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:06 AM
Oct 2016

The purpose of the TPP was to hedge off Asian nations from forming economic alliances with China. It's not good for those nations to be reliant upon China, and it's not good for us.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
25. I expect we'll see a revised TPP get passed under Clinton
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:07 AM
Oct 2016

One that has beefed up environmental and labor protections.

Yavin4

(35,357 posts)
26. I hope so too.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:09 AM
Oct 2016

Did you see that China is building a new capital city in Egypt? Think they're doing that out of the goodness in their hearts?

TomCADem

(17,378 posts)
36. With TPP Going Down, Smart Move for Duarte
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:24 AM
Oct 2016

China will be the most influential player in the Pacific Rim with the U.S. taking a more isolationist role, so it is a smart move for Philippines to see which ally will be a more consistent presence.

moondust

(19,917 posts)
37. What are his substantive complaints
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:31 PM
Oct 2016

against the U.S.? You know, more than just the street thug political jibe about "that big bad U.S. bully that bosses us around like we're not a world power. Yeah."

At least he'll be closer to home in terms of disrespect for human rights. Maybe China is bribing him to sell out.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
38. Allrighty then, don't come crying to us when China takes what's left of your waters from you.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:17 PM
Oct 2016

This man is a typical bully and a coward. He acts tough and full of machismo when he's confronting the weak like drug addicts and dealers, but throw a real oponent like China at him and he cowers and plays nice instead of standing up to them. What a loser.

haele

(12,581 posts)
40. Considering most of the drugs in his country come from China, color me not suprised.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 06:27 PM
Oct 2016

It's very easy to say one is fighting a war against drugs and drug users when one is intent on getting the upper hand in a turf war in the very same industry.
Sadly, drug abuse tends not to go down in these types of wars - so long as the economy can't support the amount of population in a location, incidents of self medication to addiction to numb the pain of "failure" and the amount of petty drug sellers that support that self medicating will always replace the poor disposables and/or unlikables that are murdered because of some tin-pot dictator's populist "law and order" push allows some people to get rid of others they don't like.
Rather than actually recognize why some people turn to drugs or might be tempted to start selling, and work at correcting the underlying problems, it's easier and more acceptable to authoritarian societies to just to put a bullet in the back of someone's head because they deviated from the accepted norm, then go on to the next "criminal" you can kill until the excess population is winnowed down enough that there's enough jobs and resources for all the good little peasants that are left.

The problem with these types of draconian laws is that there is no actual justice, and no actual fix that keeps the situation from continuing to occur. There will always be people with addictive personalities that don't fit in - the lazy, the crazy, the "just off" type of people; and if there is a lack of acceptance and opportunities for them to keep them from becoming drug addicts, there will always be the small-time sellers that can also be sacrificed for political expediency.

Right now, Dutarte's just getting rid of his excess of young unemployed/exuberant males in a way that allows him to look strong and moral to people who are tired of the results of decades of a severe lack of services and resources that would otherwise create a drop in crime while improving the overall lives of the general population; while in the meantime, he's making sure he can make trade deals with a stronger country that won't think there's anything wrong with his way of controlling his population.

Haele

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