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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 01:32 PM Oct 2016

Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson is collapsing in the polls

Source: International Business Times

25 OCT 2016 AT 13:19 ET

Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson had hoped to take advantage of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump's record unpopularity and play spoiler in the upcoming presidential election. Now that is looking less likely.

Johnson's poll numbers have been in free fall since August, when he was polling in the low double digits. He now sits at just six points on average. While that would be a significantly larger share of the popular vote than most third party candidates would normally receive, it will not make Johnson a big factor in November.

A new CNN-ORC poll released Monday revealed that Johnson is down four percentage points from the same poll in October. In that same span of time, Clinton and Trump each gained 2 percentage points. The exodus of Johnson's support to Clinton and Trump appears to be concentrated among men. Johnson lost seven percentage points in the polls among men, but none from women. Those men split between Clinton and Trump roughly evenly. It is looking less and less likely that Gary Johnson will play spoiler in November's presidential election. Photo: Reuters

Johnson's sagging polling could be a result of the penchant he has shown for gaffes and his apparent lack of knowledge on certain issues, especially regarding foreign policy — he famously asked "What is Aleppo?" in response to a question on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" about the Syrian city at the heart of the refugee crisis. Johnson could also be suffering from the natural tendency of voters to swing to the major party candidates as the election draws nearer. But this was supposed to be an election where third party candidates like Johnson and Green Party nominee Jill Stein could make headway, thanks to the polarization caused by Clinton and Trump. Johnson is nowhere near the almost 19 percent of the popular vote independent candidate Ross Perot — the most successful third party candidate in modern history — claimed in the 1992 election when he played spoiler to Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush. Even then, Perot was still not able to secure an electoral vote.

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Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/libertarian-presidential-candidate-gary-johnson-is-collapsing-in-the-polls/

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Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson is collapsing in the polls (Original Post) DonViejo Oct 2016 OP
It shouldn't hurt for him to fall from from that distance. TonyPDX Oct 2016 #1
There is a certain caller Coolest Ranger Oct 2016 #2
That sux OneCrazyDiamond Oct 2016 #3
They are coming over to Hillary. TeamPooka Oct 2016 #4
Yes. Frank Cannon Oct 2016 #10
I believe Gary Johnson's response would be... brooklynite Oct 2016 #5
Ha ha ha. LisaM Oct 2016 #7
LOL Coolie_J Oct 2016 #37
kick Dawson Leery Oct 2016 #6
Where's Wisconsin Johnson? bucolic_frolic Oct 2016 #8
As usual, the nutcases fall away. Goodbye to Tofu Palin as well. nt onehandle Oct 2016 #9
LOL, From 5% down to 0.7%? More of a final fart than a collapse. FSogol Oct 2016 #11
where do you see 0.7%? I think you misread Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #17
Why would I read an article about Gary Johnson? The 0.7% is what he'll get on election day when FSogol Oct 2016 #19
You cared enough about the article comment on it. Giving your line of logic do you not read anything Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #23
My post also included "LOL" and compared his campaign collapse to a tiny fart. Will you post FSogol Oct 2016 #24
If it was a closer election, I would truly consider ANY person who draws votes from a Dem Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #27
Gary Johnson doesn't have a clue. keithbvadu2 Oct 2016 #12
he is an uninformed fool JI7 Oct 2016 #13
"Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump's record unpopularity" = unserious article PSPS Oct 2016 #14
Whenever I read or hear that, murielm99 Oct 2016 #16
Sad... Blue_Tires Oct 2016 #15
Johnson and Stein - the cicadas of presidential politics GoneOffShore Oct 2016 #18
Ha! Good one! :-P NurseJackie Oct 2016 #21
And unlike cicadas they are amazingly annoying. GoneOffShore Oct 2016 #31
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2016 #36
Heeeee! NurseJackie Oct 2016 #20
He'll end up with 2.85% or thereabouts alcibiades_mystery Oct 2016 #22
basically, the only appeal Johnson has is his stance on legalizing pot. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #25
What's more embarrassing? stopbush Oct 2016 #26
Johnson seems to me like a saltpoint Oct 2016 #28
Johnson and Stein would have done better to have fully fleshed-out comprehensive platforms 4lbs Oct 2016 #29
I think he has been lying about staying off marijuana Motley13 Oct 2016 #30
it's not just his ignorance but his apparent pride in it. nt joeybee12 Oct 2016 #32
Gary responds Kennah Oct 2016 #33
The horror of a Trump victory is scaring the crap out of Johnson voters. Jim Dandy Oct 2016 #34
Anyone voting for either of those third party clowns is an idiot m Initech Oct 2016 #35

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
2. There is a certain caller
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 01:35 PM
Oct 2016

to the Reverend Al show I'm thinking of. He always calls in and complains about lack of Gary Johnson coverage.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
10. Yes.
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 02:13 PM
Oct 2016

The reason they even considered Gary in the first place is they thought he was a reasonable, "Republican Lite" alternative to the raving maniac. So they will now either vote for Hillary or just not vote, period--both of which help Hillary.

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
19. Why would I read an article about Gary Johnson? The 0.7% is what he'll get on election day when
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 05:54 PM
Oct 2016

all the votes are counted.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
23. You cared enough about the article comment on it. Giving your line of logic do you not read anything
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 06:07 PM
Oct 2016

when the article in question is discussing an enemy and/or opponent, but instead simply randomly respond? Your wording also carried no trace of of being a prediction of his eventual numbers. It faced up as a direct comment that insinuates he has dropped from 5% to 0.7%, which is non factual.






FSogol

(45,481 posts)
24. My post also included "LOL" and compared his campaign collapse to a tiny fart. Will you post
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 07:01 PM
Oct 2016

some data on methane to prove that his collapse is not similar to the properties of a fart?



BTW, Johnson, like most libertarians, is too lame to be an enemy or a credible opponent. That's a fact.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
27. If it was a closer election, I would truly consider ANY person who draws votes from a Dem
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 07:11 PM
Oct 2016

not only an enemy, but credible as a threat as well.

Nader ring a bell?

If you look at many state polls, Hillary does worse in terms of spread size vs the Shitgibbon in a 4 way race versus a 2 way choice.

murielm99

(30,736 posts)
16. Whenever I read or hear that,
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 05:40 PM
Oct 2016

I think "propaganda."

Whoever is saying that or writing that can go to hell. If I can tell them to his or her face, I will. I am sick of being nice to propagandists.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
15. Sad...
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 04:03 PM
Oct 2016

I'm old enough to remember when the libertarians had the pride to at least field halfway competent candidates...

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
18. Johnson and Stein - the cicadas of presidential politics
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 05:53 PM
Oct 2016

They show up every 4 years, make some noise, then disappear.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
25. basically, the only appeal Johnson has is his stance on legalizing pot.
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 07:04 PM
Oct 2016

Since it's probably going to be a done deal in California -thereby making it virtually impossible for prohibition to continue much longer federally in any real, intrusive sense- and because our Party (thanks in part to Sen. Sanders' advocacy on the matter) has embraced a pathway to legalization in our platform, Johnson's appeal is pretty nonexistent.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
26. What's more embarrassing?
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 07:11 PM
Oct 2016

The fact that he's collapsing in the polls, or the fact that so many people were backing his candidacy?

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
28. Johnson seems to me like a
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 07:11 PM
Oct 2016

genuinely nice person but his politics veer far right.

Early on in the veering to the far right, I bail.

4lbs

(6,855 posts)
29. Johnson and Stein would have done better to have fully fleshed-out comprehensive platforms
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 07:12 PM
Oct 2016

that were detailed and actually doable, like Hillary did.

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