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BREAKING: woman who sued Donald Trump for child rape breaks her silence today. (Original Post) Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2016 OP
Anyone expect the media to cover this? triron Nov 2016 #1
Yes, she has two witnesses NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #2
She received multiple death threats and cancelled the press conference. lark Nov 2016 #133
The international media will pick it up even if the American media tries to bury it. milestogo Nov 2016 #55
From the Huffpo article: re Trump & Epstein misterhighwasted Nov 2016 #68
For the umpteenth time in recent weeks... classof56 Nov 2016 #96
but...Huma's emails of highest priority wordpix Nov 2016 #99
Lisa Bloom is a media fave, so at least a 50-50 chance wordpix Nov 2016 #100
They're too busy selling the horserace. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #106
No... Ratings more important for M$M...I'm done with em... done uponit7771 Nov 2016 #111
Here we go. Hang on! PearliePoo2 Nov 2016 #3
Three hours from now! Coyotl Nov 2016 #4
how would he know Tom Rivers Nov 2016 #23
That's what I was thinking. I smell a rat—a Russian rat. C Moon Nov 2016 #26
Wikileaks released an article reggaehead Nov 2016 #72
K & R Coyotl Nov 2016 #86
Wonder what... Mike Nelson Nov 2016 #5
Yup, teaming up with her mama onetexan Nov 2016 #51
Assuming this event took place in California brooklynite Nov 2016 #6
The letter above states it happened in 1994 in New York. However, New York has no SOL on rape. 4lbs Nov 2016 #11
Thank you for that, 4lbs. Cha Nov 2016 #112
This is a different strategy jberryhill Nov 2016 #16
What do you think of that strategy? He has shown in the past that he can be baited. pnwmom Nov 2016 #30
It depends on how much "go away" money you want jberryhill Nov 2016 #39
There is another strategy here as well. bench scientist Nov 2016 #66
I'd like to see a case on that jberryhill Nov 2016 #75
Nope, this complaint does not plead duress tolling jberryhill Nov 2016 #76
the complaint does plead duress clearly and specifically and asks the statute to be tolled. bench scientist Nov 2016 #88
The only threat from the defendant was in 1994 jberryhill Nov 2016 #95
Whether the plaintiff's pleading meets the burden to toll the statute is a separate legal question . bench scientist Nov 2016 #97
Wtf? There have been no motions to dismiss jberryhill Nov 2016 #98
pls. explain the acronyms for us non-lawyers wordpix Nov 2016 #101
ECF? jberryhill Nov 2016 #104
It shows electronic summons dated 10/12 NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #107
No jberryhill Nov 2016 #108
OK and see other questions, thanks wordpix Nov 2016 #114
toll the SOL? FRCP? what do they mean? Thanks wordpix Nov 2016 #113
Those acronyms are: jberryhill Nov 2016 #124
so probably Lisa B is waiting til after the election to serve the defendants wordpix Nov 2016 #129
Lisa Bloom is not an attorney in this case jberryhill Nov 2016 #131
why did she intend to hold the presser at her firm, then? wordpix Nov 2016 #134
A person may engage any number of lawyers for various things jberryhill Nov 2016 #135
thanks for clarifying wordpix Nov 2016 #136
clearly the unknown "reporters" gathered at the news conference wordpix Nov 2016 #126
That doesn't matter jberryhill Nov 2016 #128
I think that would only apply going forward DrToast Nov 2016 #17
You'd think it would have to ... there's no ex-post-facto laws allowed per the Constitution (n/t) brett_jv Nov 2016 #24
laws like this are not retroactive. Calista241 Nov 2016 #41
THIRTY-EIGHT DAYS! Grins Nov 2016 #52
"high crime" is what many republicans and evangelists want keithbvadu2 Nov 2016 #71
Neither Trump nor his lawyers are required to appear jberryhill Nov 2016 #77
is there a deadline in which plaintiff must serve defendant? I'm hoping Lisa Bloom wordpix Nov 2016 #115
Lisa Bloom is not an attorney in this case jberryhill Nov 2016 #127
Yes, finally. . . RexCasual Nov 2016 #7
Lisa Bloom was on Stephanie Miller this morning. Chicago1980 Nov 2016 #8
I heard that and figured they plaintiff didn't want to come out. hence the 'brush off'. This is Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2016 #9
I'd imagine she didn't want to tip anything. nolabear Nov 2016 #27
hey if it's OK for Coney to tip, why not Lisa B? wordpix Nov 2016 #116
it should make every newscast from here to timbuktu barbtries Nov 2016 #10
Time for a new Avon lady. progressoid Nov 2016 #12
i think you're right, which makes me kind of sad. 8 years been buying from her. barbtries Nov 2016 #45
As long as she's professional with you as well 7962 Nov 2016 #53
Exactly! mahina Nov 2016 #19
I'd probably find a new Avon lady. PunksMom Nov 2016 #50
i probably will. nt barbtries Nov 2016 #60
I went door knocking Wed. for a local candidate and ran into some Trumpsters wordpix Nov 2016 #117
Lisa Bloom just sent a tweet apologizing for her website crashing! PearliePoo2 Nov 2016 #13
Child rape is bad and all, but... Dopers_Greed Nov 2016 #14
Yeah, exactly..... we certainly wouldn't want to get our priorities mixed up would we? groundloop Nov 2016 #29
Not just Hillary's emails NewJeffCT Nov 2016 #34
and "libruls taking our guns away!" wordpix Nov 2016 #118
It should more accurately be described as Trump participating in child prostitution ring BlueStreak Nov 2016 #132
wow...This woman is brave amuse bouche Nov 2016 #21
K&R Native Nov 2016 #25
Donald Trump has only himself to blame texasfiddler Nov 2016 #28
Media vadermike Nov 2016 #31
We would think so, but I wouldn't put it pass M$M to try to suppress it. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #35
Emails vs. Rape. The Deplorables will probably vote for rape as a badge of honor. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #32
Let's See Trump's Resume Penn Voter Nov 2016 #33
Republicans = Garbage! Their masks are off, the real republicans are now being seen. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #37
So happy Lisa took this case. After reading KALD Nov 2016 #36
I do too. classykaren Nov 2016 #47
I believe her, too and both Joan and Tiffany Doe have backed up Jane Doe's story wordpix Nov 2016 #121
Ms. Bloom is not representing the plaintiff in this case jberryhill Nov 2016 #130
Donald Trump is a POS Rorey Nov 2016 #40
At last classykaren Nov 2016 #46
This is big guys check twitter vadermike Nov 2016 #54
Not a peep on CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. n/t cureautismnow Nov 2016 #56
Presser hasn't happened yet but yes they are not mentioning it so far anneboleyn Nov 2016 #59
Lisa Bloom is a very good attorney Gothmog Nov 2016 #57
This case is why pathological projector Trump has called Bill Clinton a rapist for weeks now wishstar Nov 2016 #61
It can't be easy to come forward and talk about it DesertRat Nov 2016 #67
nothing on msnbc....... getagrip_already Nov 2016 #70
I've been waiting all day to hear something about this!! MontanaMama Nov 2016 #73
HUGE K&R! red dog 1 Nov 2016 #74
20 minutes til 3. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #78
11 now. But who's Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2016 #79
Five minutes now. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #80
I figured that. I that's why I said "now". And yes. I am counting...... :-P Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2016 #81
what channel is covering this? KewlKat Nov 2016 #82
msnbc is talking polls right now at 3:02 Pacific Rose Siding Nov 2016 #84
Politico story @ 4:47. CNN not mentioning it. mobeau69 Nov 2016 #83
Looks like a media blackout on this story......drumpf escapes once again. KewlKat Nov 2016 #87
She's been receiving death threats and is too scared NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #89
wow.rabid drumpters.....did you hear that somewhere? about the rescheduling? KewlKat Nov 2016 #90
How is she getting death threats? DrToast Nov 2016 #91
Source? mobeau69 Nov 2016 #92
UPDATE: 6:06 p.m. ― Bloom announced the press conference was canceled mobeau69 Nov 2016 #93
heard on KFI conservative LA radio station: one of their reporters AnotherMother4Peace Nov 2016 #102
The reporter also said the witness for the victim was an employee for the Epstein organization nt AnotherMother4Peace Nov 2016 #103
"Tiffany Doe," the witness, was employed by sex offender billionaire Epstein as a pimp wordpix Nov 2016 #125
...or not.... Ken Burch Nov 2016 #105
Jane Doe has dropped the case again Crabby Appleton Nov 2016 #137
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NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
2. Yes, she has two witnesses
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 02:59 PM
Nov 2016

A classmate she told back in 1994 and an actually witness to the rape/s. Press conference is at 3pm Pacific time.

lark

(23,103 posts)
133. She received multiple death threats and cancelled the press conference.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 01:25 PM
Nov 2016

At least that's why I saw this morning. Does anyone know for sure about this?

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
68. From the Huffpo article: re Trump & Epstein
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 05:14 PM
Nov 2016
The allegations aren’t entirely implausible on their face.
The accuser says Trump raped her repeatedly at parties thrown by since-convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, who was widely known to throw wild parties with young women and girls.
Epstein was convicted in 2008 of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution and served a small portion of an 18-year sentence.


In a New York magazine profile of Epstein before he went to prison, and long before Trump ran for president, Trump acknowledged that he knows Epstein. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,’’ Trump says in the story. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it ― Jeffrey enjoys his social life.


http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_581a31a5e4b0c43e6c1d9834

classof56

(5,376 posts)
96. For the umpteenth time in recent weeks...
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 07:02 PM
Nov 2016

I feel physically ill. Can't believe any woman with an ounce of self-respect would support trump--a truly evil evil miserable excuse for a human being.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
4. Three hours from now!
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 03:01 PM
Nov 2016

Trump just tweeted that something big was going to be released by wikileaks today. Ha Ha! This will suck up all the oxygen in the room.

reggaehead

(269 posts)
72. Wikileaks released an article
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 05:22 PM
Nov 2016

From the daily mail saying that Congess wants a deputy inspector removed. Because his wife received an election does nation from Terry McCauliffe

Mike Nelson

(9,958 posts)
5. Wonder what...
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 03:01 PM
Nov 2016

...the "media" will do? Lisa Bloom is a big, newsworthy name and the media have already covered many lessor accusers and allegations.


onetexan

(13,041 posts)
51. Yup, teaming up with her mama
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 04:46 PM
Nov 2016

whose representing the other harassed accusers, their joint clout and female power is sure to make a big splash. I hope and pray this sinks trump once & for all.

brooklynite

(94,587 posts)
6. Assuming this event took place in California
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 03:01 PM
Nov 2016

California eliminated the Statute of Limitations on rape allegations (in response to the Bill Cosby accusations). If authorities have not decided to peruse an investigation (hence the civil lawsuit here) I'm going to be cautious about leaping to any conclusions.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
16. This is a different strategy
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 03:16 PM
Nov 2016

The claims are time-barred in both California and New York.

The strategy here is to get a public denunciation, and then sue for defamation as an independent new claim.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
39. It depends on how much "go away" money you want
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 03:59 PM
Nov 2016

Because the actual damages on the table for defamation aren't a whole lot.

In a defamation case where you are dealing with someone nobody knows and doesn't have a professional career hinging on their reputation, you can cut right to the chase on damages.

Make a general statement that "she's a liar" but not specific to what she's alleging. Then, when sued, go ahead and admit liability on calling her, generally, "a liar". That does not need to be an admission that anything she said is true, but simply concede the point that "Okay, I called her a liar." Then, the burden is on her to prove up damages. Did she get fired from a job because someone relied on her truthfulness and decided to fire her because "Donald Trump called her a liar?" Did she suffer any other sort of demonstrable economic or physical harm? And so on.

(and, I know that people think that you can sue for "being upset" because of what is called "emotional distress", but actual "emotional distress" refers to things like a need for continuing psychological treatment. And the treatment we'd be talking here is not for whatever other emotional problems she might have, but specifically from being called "a liar" by Donald Trump)

bench scientist

(1,107 posts)
66. There is another strategy here as well.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 05:09 PM
Nov 2016

This Federal action is asking that the NY criminal Statute of limitations be tolled due to intimidation threat from the defendant towards the plaintiff. Tolling at statute is asking the court to in a sense not apply the time limitation. IOW due to bad behavior /threatening on the part of Trump the towards the victim, the way in which the court counts the time of the limitation is frozen.In the filing the amendment to the plaintiffs pleading , is a deposition stating defendant was threatened if she talked SAME would happen to her as another victim. There is case law to support this strategy.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
75. I'd like to see a case on that
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 05:30 PM
Nov 2016

When was the last threat made, and when did the threatening stop? Because otherwise there are not SOL's if someone pleads "I was threatened". If the point is that they are filing now because they are no longer threatened, then we loop back to when did the threatening stop?

A "deposition" incidentally is an examination of a witness. An affidavit is a sworn statement. But it isn't signed by a person. Normally you would simply redact the signature.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
76. Nope, this complaint does not plead duress tolling
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 05:35 PM
Nov 2016

A threat in 1994 does not toll the statute for 22 years:


United States Court of Appeals, Second Circuit.
Carol OVERALL, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. ESTATE OF L.H.P. KLOTZ, Defendant-Appellee.
No.?689, Docket 94-7407.
Decided: March 29, 1995



-----
Duress tolling, on the other hand, examines the parties' conduct only to determine whether that conduct constitutes a continuation of the underlying tort. ? New York law requires that a plaintiff be subjected to a “continuous wrong” for duress tolling to be appropriate. ?Cullen v. Margiotta, 811 F.2d 698, 722 (2d Cir.) (tolling limitations period as long as plaintiffs were subjected to ongoing extortion), cert. denied sub nom. Nassau County Republican Comm. v. Cullen, 483 U.S. 1021, 107 S.Ct. 3266, 97 L.Ed.2d 764 (1987); ?Kamonitsky v. Corcoran, 97 Misc. 384, 388, 161 N.Y.S. 756, 759 (Sup.Ct.App.Term 1st Dep't 1916) (same), rev'd on other grounds sub nom. ?Kamenitsky v. Corcoran, 177 A.D. 605, 164 N.Y.S. 297 (1st Dep't 1917) (finding insufficient facts pleaded to support claim of tolling). ? In Kamenitsky, the Appellate Division for the First Department rejected a claim of duress tolling by a plaintiff who made payments to the defendant for eleven years, purportedly under the duress of a single original threat. ? The court required the plaintiff to allege some further conduct by the defendant in order to establish a continuous wrong: ?“Even if the first payment were made under duress, it could not be successfully claimed that, where not another word ever passed between the parties, each monthly payment continuing thereafter for 11 years was made under duress of the original threat.” ?Kamenitsky, 164 N.Y.S. at 301.

?“Duress” involves both threats or force by the defendant, and the submission of the plaintiff's free will to those threats. ? Both elements of duress must continue in order for a duress-based tort to persist as a “continuous wrong.” ? As shorthand for this rule, courts have explained that duress tolling is available only when duress is an element of the cause of action alleged. ?Cullen, 811 F.2d at 722 (permitting tolling because duress is element of extortion); ?Day v. Moscow, 955 F.2d 807, 813 (2d Cir.) (rejecting tolling because duress is not element of false arrest or unlawful search and seizure), cert. denied, 506 U.S. 821, 113 S.Ct. 71, 121 L.Ed.2d 37 (1992); ?Schmidt v. Bishop, 779 F.Supp. 321, 330-31 (S.D.N.Y.1991) (rejecting duress tolling because duress is not element of negligence, fraud or malpractice); ?Baratta v. Kozlowski, 94 A.D.2d 454, 464 N.Y.S.2d 803, 806-07 (2d Dep't 1983) (rejecting tolling because duress is not element of embezzlement).

?Duress tolling is not triggered, however, simply because duress constitutes an element of the underlying tort. ? In order to constitute a “continuous wrong” that tolls the limitations period, the tortious conduct itself must continue. ? See, e.g., Pacchiana v. Pacchiana, 94 A.D.2d 721, 721, 462 N.Y.S.2d 256, 257 (2d Dep't 1983) (rejecting duress tolling in action to rescind antenuptial agreement, because coercion ceased upon execution of the agreement). ? Furthermore, the tortious conduct must continue uninterrupted. ? In the seminal case of Piper v. Hoard, 107 N.Y. 67, 71, 13 N.E. 632 (1887), for example, the New York Court of Appeals would not permit tolling for duress where the defendant coerced the plaintiff into signing over a deed, and later forced him into forgoing a lawsuit to rescind the deed. ? Because the two episodes of coercion were separate, the limitations period as to the first was not tolled by the second. ? See also Gallas v. Greek Orthodox Archdiocese, 154 Misc.2d 494, 502, 587 N.Y.S.2d 82, 88 (Sup.Ct.N.Y.County 1991) (rejecting duress tolling where coercion allegedly ceased in 1983 and resumed in 1985).

?The rationale behind duress tolling is that certain torts occur over a stretch of time, not just at the single identifiable moment when the cause of action accrues. ? When a plaintiff is subject to a “continuous wrong,” the moment of accrual still determines when judicial relief is first available, but equity begins to run the limitations period from when the tortious conduct ceases. ? We presume that a plaintiff is unable to file suit so long as-but no longer than-she is subjected to a duress-based tort. ?

bench scientist

(1,107 posts)
88. the complaint does plead duress clearly and specifically and asks the statute to be tolled.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 06:06 PM
Nov 2016

This is a verbatim quote from the compliant filed In S.D.N.Y. on 6/20 2016. Case 1:16-cv-04642:

" 22. Any statute of limitations applicable to rape, sexual misconduct, criminal sexual acts, sexual abuse, forcible touching, assault, battery, intentional and reckless infliction of emotional distress, false imprisonment of a minor, if any, is tolled owing to the continuous and active duress imposed upon Plaintiff by Defendants that effectively robbed Plaintiff of her free will to commence legal action until the present time. Cullen v. Margiotta, 811 F.2d 698, 722 (2nd Cir.1987); Ross v. United States, 574 F. Supp. 536, 542 (S.D.N.Y. 1983). More particularly, Plaintiff was unrelentingly threatened by each Defendant that, were she ever to reveal any of the details of the sexual and physical abuse caused to her by Defendants, Plaintiff and her family would be physically harmed if not killed. The duress has not terminated and the fear has not subsided. The duress is an element of or inherent in the underlying causes of action complained of herein. The duress and coercion exerted by Defendants has been such as to have actually deprived Plaintiff of her freedom of will to institute suit earlier in time, and it rose to such a level that a person of reasonable firmness in Plaintiff's situation would have been unable to resist. Exhs. A and B.
23. Both Defendants let Plaintiff know that each was a very wealthy, powerful man and indicated that they had the power, ability and means to carry out their threats. Indeed, Defendant Trump stated that Plaintiff shouldn’t ever say anything if she didn’t want to disappear like Maria, a 12-year-old female that was forced to be involved in the third incident with Defendant Trump and that Plaintiff had not seen since that third incident, and that he was capable of having her whole family killed. Exhs. A and B.
24. The duress had prevented Plaintiff from starting litigation before this year. However, as soon as she surfaced, she received threats. More specifically, shortly after her first complaint was filed in California on April 26, 2016, she started receiving threatening phone calls on her cell phone. Exh. A.
25. Defendants are equitably estopped from arguing that any statute of limitations has not been tolled as Defendants wrongfully forced Plaintiff to refrain from timely commencing this action by threats, duress, and other misconduct. Exhs. A and B.
26. Moreover, this action has been brought before the facts giving rise to the estoppel have ceased to be operational (i.e., while still under threats of physical harm by coming forward and having no reason to believe that the threats have ever been lifted or would ever be lifted) and since Plaintiff has decided to seek redress at this time, Plaintiff seeks an order of protection in favor of Plaintiff and all associated with her so as to protect them from harm and harassment from Defendants and their agents and associates. Exh. A."

Amended to complaint are two signed Declarations in support of plaintiff's request for protective order, one each, by Jane and Tiffany Doe.


 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
95. The only threat from the defendant was in 1994
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 06:54 PM
Nov 2016

It says she received "threatening phone calls" when she initially filed the case - but at that point the case is filed.

By "it doesn't plead duress tolling" I mean that I does not cover ongoing and continuing threats for the intervening 22 years.

bench scientist

(1,107 posts)
97. Whether the plaintiff's pleading meets the burden to toll the statute is a separate legal question .
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 07:44 PM
Nov 2016

My point the plaintiff is clearly asking to toll the SOL in her complaint.
Also bear in mind her initial complaint can always been ammended per FRCP.
It's survived both motion to dismiss (and i believe) a 12b(6) motion.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
98. Wtf? There have been no motions to dismiss
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 07:51 PM
Nov 2016

The case hasn't even been served on the defendant.

I uploaded the docket just a few hours ago:

http://ia801506.us.archive.org/34/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432.docket.html


Read the October 4 order:

Plaintiff is ordered to serve Defendants with a copy of this order and to file an affidavit on ECF certifying that such service has been effectuated.

They haven't even served that order.


 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
104. ECF?
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 09:07 PM
Nov 2016

Electronic Case Filing.

Federal courts all have an electronic docketing and filing system.

Public Access to Court Electronic Records - PACER - is the system by which you can register and view ECF filings. Even though it is a federal court system, you have to pay a .10 per page fee for dockets and filings.

HOWEVER, many lawyers use a browser plugin called RECAP which automatically uploads PACER documents to archive.org when those documents are accessed. So whenever I check the docket, an updated copy (with links to previously updated filings), so that I can post a shareable archive.org link here.

Shorter story, if the plaintiff had complied with the October 4 order by serving the case and filing proof of service with ECF, you'd see it on the linked docket I posted upthread.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
108. No
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:11 PM
Nov 2016

The court issues the summons to the PLAINTIFF who is then required to serve it on the Defendant.

When the case is served, the plaintiff will file a return of service and an affidavit of service on the docket.

You file a case, pay your fee, request a summons, and then serve it on the Defendant. The court doesn't do that.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
124. Those acronyms are:
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 10:16 AM
Nov 2016

SOL - Statute of Limitations: The length of time between an alleged occurrence and when you can file a suit over it. To "toll" the statute of limitations is to stop the clock. This event allegedly occurred in 1994, when the alleged victim was 13. That means the alleged victim became an adult in 1998. In New York the statute of limitations for bringing a civil case over sexual assault is five years. Many states will "toll the statute of limitations" in the event of a minor victim, until that victim reaches the age of majority. By any measure, this filing was made many years after any reasonable tolling of the statute. There would be an exception, called "duress tolling" under which the victim was continuously and repeatedly threatened. Then, one would look at how long it has been since the last threat. (which would not include post-filing threats, since, obviously, the case is already filed)

FRCP - Federal Rules of Civil Procedure: These are the procedural rules which the federal court system uses. Federal courts all operate by a standard set of rules. On certain details, these are supplemented by "local rules", and even within a district, each judge may have their own rules. For example, this case was filed on September 30, 2016. FRCP 4(m) requires:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_4

(m) Time Limit for Service. If a defendant is not served within 90 days after the complaint is filed, the court—on motion or on its own after notice to the plaintiff—must dismiss the action without prejudice against that defendant or order that service be made within a specified time. But if the plaintiff shows good cause for the failure, the court must extend the time for service for an appropriate period. This subdivision (m) does not apply to service in a foreign country under Rule 4(f) or 4(j)(1) or to service of a notice under Rule 71.1(d)(3)(A).

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
129. so probably Lisa B is waiting til after the election to serve the defendants
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 10:29 AM
Nov 2016

that would make sense since she has lots of time

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
134. why did she intend to hold the presser at her firm, then?
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:44 PM
Nov 2016

I did not see her name in the court docs but now....what is happening?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
135. A person may engage any number of lawyers for various things
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:50 PM
Nov 2016

The Bloom/Allred strategy is as follows:

1. You have someone with a time-barred claim, so you can't sue on that claim.

2. Instead, you have the person make a public statement of that claim to the press.

3. The accused is then provoked into making some defamatory public statement about the victim.

4. You can now sue the accused for the new defamation claim.

If you'd like to see a lawyer hand a smackdown to Trump, try this one on for size:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/03/i-bought-the-website-trump-org-then-donald-trump-came-after-me/

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
136. thanks for clarifying
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 04:07 PM
Nov 2016

wish I could afford to hire you for my court case - I'm self-representing in an inland wetlands matter with roots in repuke town officials giving away public land illegally.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
126. clearly the unknown "reporters" gathered at the news conference
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 10:25 AM
Nov 2016

show the threat still exists, if not by Trump-Epstein directly than by Trump's SS troops.

Downthread are reports about the canceled news conf

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
128. That doesn't matter
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 10:27 AM
Nov 2016

First, this version of the lawsuit was filed on September 30, 2016. In order to toll the statute of limitations, threats arising now for the obvious reason that anyone involved in a controversy of note on the internet and other media gets threats, don't have anything to do with what threats have been continuous and ongoing since 1994. And, as you note, there is no indication that the threats have come from the defendants.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
41. laws like this are not retroactive.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 04:07 PM
Nov 2016

If you do something in 1980 when it's legal, they cannot pass a law in 1985 making it illegal and then prosecute you.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
52. THIRTY-EIGHT DAYS!
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 04:46 PM
Nov 2016

Wrong venue.

At 11:30AM on the 16th of December, 38-days after the 2016 election, Donald J. Trump's lawyers will be in front of a federal judge IN NEW YORK CITY for pre-TRIAL discussions on charges that Donald J. Trump - raped and bodily threatened a 13-year old girl!

Those charges include: “rape, sexual misconduct, criminal sexual acts, sexual abuse, forcible touching, assault, battery, intentional and reckless infliction of emotional distress, duress, false imprisonment, and defamation”.

This is NOT an investigation. This is NOT a preliminary hearing on whether there is to be a trial. This is a preliminary for an ACTUAL trial. During Trump's FIRST year, should that great orange demagogue get elected.

If the orange shit-gibbon is found guilty there WILL be a Constitutional crisis because the RAPE of a minor coupled with physical harm certainly falls into the category of a "high crime", and the Constitution has specific remedies for that.

Let Republicans defend him that. And tell all your friends.

keithbvadu2

(36,818 posts)
71. "high crime" is what many republicans and evangelists want
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 05:20 PM
Nov 2016

"high crime" is what many republicans and evangelists want

And then they get Pence as President.

It can be a plan.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
77. Neither Trump nor his lawyers are required to appear
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 05:39 PM
Nov 2016

Neither the case nor the scheduling order have been served on the defendant.

Here is the October 4th order:

http://ia801506.us.archive.org/34/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432.5.0.pdf

Plaintiff is ordered to serve Defendants with a copy of this order and to file an affidavit on ECF certifying that such service has been effectuated.

Here is the ECF docket, current as of today:

http://ia801506.us.archive.org/34/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432.docket.html

A month has gone by since the October 4 order, and the plaintiff has not served the scheduling order as required by the court.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
115. is there a deadline in which plaintiff must serve defendant? I'm hoping Lisa Bloom
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 10:02 AM
Nov 2016

gets this going. What's she waiting for? I think she just became plaintiff's att'y so maybe she's not yet up to speed. ?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
127. Lisa Bloom is not an attorney in this case
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 10:25 AM
Nov 2016

FRCP 4 requires service within 90 days of filing the Complaint. Additionally, the court specifically ordered on October 4, that the scheduling order be served on the defendant as well - that was the order setting the December 18 date that everyone seems to think is the start of the "trial". It is neither the start of the trial, nor is any Trump attorney or Trump required to appear, because it has not been served.

There are now three attorneys who have filed appearances on the part of the plaintiff - Thomas Meagher, a patent attorney; Cheney Mason, a criminal defense attorney; and more recently an Evan Goldman, a New Jersey civil litigator.

Lisa Bloom has no connection with this lawsuit in New York. Lisa Bloom does not represent the plaintiff in any capacity in this proceeding.

Chicago1980

(1,968 posts)
8. Lisa Bloom was on Stephanie Miller this morning.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 03:03 PM
Nov 2016

Steph though there was a bombshell coming, but Lisa kind of just brushed her off and said 'stay tuned'...

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
9. I heard that and figured they plaintiff didn't want to come out. hence the 'brush off'. This is
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 03:05 PM
Nov 2016

some crazy shit.

barbtries

(28,798 posts)
10. it should make every newscast from here to timbuktu
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 03:07 PM
Nov 2016

got my fingers crossed.

i just saw my avon lady wearing a trump sign on her jacket. talking with a co-worker who thinks trump should be president.

my blood pressure's up.

barbtries

(28,798 posts)
45. i think you're right, which makes me kind of sad. 8 years been buying from her.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 04:13 PM
Nov 2016

i can't switch out my co-workers though and i have to maintain cordial relationships at the office. it's the professional thing to do.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
53. As long as she's professional with you as well
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 04:48 PM
Nov 2016

I'm not tossing my friends or business associates because of who they back for president.
But i WILL toss someone who becomes a total asshole

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
117. I went door knocking Wed. for a local candidate and ran into some Trumpsters
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 10:05 AM
Nov 2016

Horrible. They started yelling about "libruls trying to take our guns away." I tried to reason with them but you just can't.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
13. Lisa Bloom just sent a tweet apologizing for her website crashing!
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 03:11 PM
Nov 2016

Overloaded with people trying to access the documents! So yeah, looks like this is getting a wee bit of attention!

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
118. and "libruls taking our guns away!"
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 10:07 AM
Nov 2016

Our child-raping, child-threatening Trump will fix that!
And what does he know about 12 y.o. "Maria" who disappeared?

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
132. It should more accurately be described as Trump participating in child prostitution ring
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 10:54 AM
Nov 2016

The lawyers have to call it rape in order to have charges against Trump. And it is rape.

But it was a child prostitution ring and Trump knew exactly what he was doing. I don't know which is worse, raping an innocent child or supporting a child prostitution ring that would enslave 13-year-olds.

I doubt that Trump would just rape a random 13-year old. But Trump would definitely feel entitled to do a 13-year old prostitute. And I would love to hear him explain this to his supporters. That would go something like this. "Hey folks, I didn't rape that 13-year old girl. She wanted it, and she got paid very well for that. She probably bragged about it to all of her friends. And look at her now. What a pig!"

Penn Voter

(247 posts)
33. Let's See Trump's Resume
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 03:52 PM
Nov 2016

called women pigs, dogs, and slobs

entered the dressing room of the Miss Teen beauty pageant watching girls as young as 15 years old getting dressed

told Howard Stern that is was OK to refer to his daughter, Ivanka as a "piece of ass."

joked and boasted about sexual assault

serial adulterer

physical harassment of women

smeared Mexicans

sued twice over racial discrimination

led the birther movement

suggested that Muslims should be not allowed in the country

etc. etc. and now this! Yes, Republicans you reap what you sow. The party of family values and God. hahahahahahahahahaha

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
130. Ms. Bloom is not representing the plaintiff in this case
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 10:29 AM
Nov 2016

No appearance has been filed by Ms. Bloom in this piece of litigation.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
40. Donald Trump is a POS
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 04:01 PM
Nov 2016

And anyone....ANYONE...who supports him is also a POS. Given all of the information out on him, it's inexcusable to vote for him, endorse him, or support him in any way. That goes for his family too.

I'm done with respecting the opinions of others on this. They deserve no respect.

vadermike

(1,415 posts)
54. This is big guys check twitter
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 04:48 PM
Nov 2016

Says all the GOP surrogates are meeting for a pow wow how to respond Sean spicer etc etc Don is going down !! They wouldn't be doing this if they thought it was nothing

wishstar

(5,270 posts)
61. This case is why pathological projector Trump has called Bill Clinton a rapist for weeks now
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 05:00 PM
Nov 2016

Trump has been anticipating more media coverage for a long while and trying to immunize himself with projecting his own criminal misdeeds to Bill to deflect attention.

Glad accuser and attorney didn't wait any longer to go public since MSM was never going to cover this case any other way.

MontanaMama

(23,319 posts)
73. I've been waiting all day to hear something about this!!
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 05:22 PM
Nov 2016

Stephanie Miller alluded to a big announcement this morning. Whoever this woman is has immense courage by coming forward. She will need the support of a grateful nation to get through the shit storm that will inevitably come her way.

If this does not bury the Orange Overlord, we are doomed - and that isn't a joke.

red dog 1

(27,816 posts)
74. HUGE K&R!
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 05:30 PM
Nov 2016

With Lisa Bloom as her attorney, Katie is now in good hands, imo.

I hope the msm has the courage to cover Katie's statement today.

I just finished writing another post on Doe v Trump et.al.
"The Website That Donald Trump Doesn't Want Anyone To See"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016169441


Also important is a Raw Story article from yesterday;
"Witness: Trump also raped a 12-year-old - and used her disappearance to threaten another victim"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141613975

mobeau69

(11,145 posts)
83. Politico story @ 4:47. CNN not mentioning it.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 06:02 PM
Nov 2016

Trump teen rape accuser set to speak out
By JOSH GERSTEIN 11/02/16 04:47 PM EDT


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-accuser-lawsuits-230647#ixzz4OtK4xOhj
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
87. Looks like a media blackout on this story......drumpf escapes once again.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 06:06 PM
Nov 2016

maybe someone will find a recording and put it on youtube?

mobeau69

(11,145 posts)
93. UPDATE: 6:06 p.m. ― Bloom announced the press conference was canceled
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 06:29 PM
Nov 2016

UPDATE: 6:06 p.m. ― Bloom announced the press conference was canceled because Jane Doe had received threats and was afraid of appearing in public.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rape-case_us_581a31a5e4b0c43e6c1d9834

Damn.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,246 posts)
102. heard on KFI conservative LA radio station: one of their reporters
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 08:39 PM
Nov 2016

was at the event and said there was a lot of media squeezing into the conference room. That nobody was checking who was entering and attending the news conference. This reporter said that he knows who most of the media people in town are and that he didn't recognize some of the people, that they looked "angry" to him, and suspicious possibly"disrupters". This KFI reporter said the attorney reported threats were made against her client and that she was frightened.

Sorry - no link. I was listening to the John and Ken show on the way home from work, and they were interviewing their station's reporter.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
125. "Tiffany Doe," the witness, was employed by sex offender billionaire Epstein as a pimp
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 10:18 AM
Nov 2016

Tiffany was told to find young girls for Epstein's sex parties where Trump allegedly raped the then 13 y.o. Jane Doe and also 12 y.o. "Maria," who was at party #3. Trump threatened to disappear "Jane" just like "Maria" disappeared, if Jane told.

What's doubly horrifying is Trump knew about Maria's disappearance. Was he involved in the murder of a child? If I was a prosecutor, I would be looking into what happened to Maria.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
105. ...or not....
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 09:13 PM
Nov 2016

I think the Drumpfkopfs scared her out of it.

You'd think they could have had her appear via closed-circuit tv from a safe house.

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