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eppur_se_muova

(36,281 posts)
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:07 PM Nov 2016

Judge blocks Obama rule extending overtime pay to 4.2 million workers

Source: Reuters

By Daniel Wiessner and Robert Iafolla

A federal judge on Tuesday blocked an Obama administration rule to extend mandatory overtime pay to more than 4 million workers from taking effect, imperiling one of the outgoing president's signature achievements for boosting wages.

U.S. District Judge Amos Mazzant in Sherman, Texas, agreed with 21 states and a coalition of business groups, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, that the rule is unlawful and granted their motion for a nationwide injunction. It was to take effect Dec. 1.

The rule would have doubled to $47,500 the maximum salary a worker can earn and still be eligible for mandatory overtime pay.

The states and business groups claimed in lawsuits filed in September that were later consolidated that the drastic increase in the salary threshold was arbitrary.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-employment-overtime-idUSKBN13H2JY

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Judge blocks Obama rule extending overtime pay to 4.2 million workers (Original Post) eppur_se_muova Nov 2016 OP
The beginning of the rollback. eom guillaumeb Nov 2016 #1
This was a judge nominated by President Obama. WTF! yeoman6987 Nov 2016 #13
Different legal opinions? guillaumeb Nov 2016 #21
No overtime for someone earning 40,000, but plenty of bonuses for those earning 4,000,000 groundloop Nov 2016 #2
this sucks. so many people depend DesertFlower Nov 2016 #3
my friend in NYC works as a paralegal/legal assistant. DesertFlower Nov 2016 #4
If they raise the threshold he would refuse to work overtime? tammywammy Nov 2016 #6
he tries to avoid it. he's 59 and DesertFlower Nov 2016 #9
This is salaried "management" positions. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #8
Exempt means you don't have to be paid overtime period. tammywammy Nov 2016 #10
why would he be exempt? he got overtime pay at his last job which DesertFlower Nov 2016 #15
I don't know if paralegal is an exempt or not classified position. tammywammy Nov 2016 #16
a paralegel used to be just that. they worked DesertFlower Nov 2016 #17
IF their lawsuit fails yet Trump decides to overturn this as well then maybe people will wake up to cstanleytech Nov 2016 #5
And this guy was appointed by Obama. ananda Nov 2016 #7
Probably ... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #11
If one of them had secret "moral" objections to evil, the Republican party would get rid of him. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #12
As far as I can tell, judge is republican. LisaL Nov 2016 #18
But remember atreides1 Nov 2016 #19
Dems should introduce legislation to make this rule law. hollowdweller Nov 2016 #14
Link to the Department of Labor's Wage and Hour Division mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2016 #20
Welcome back ! nt eppur_se_muova Nov 2016 #22
Restaurants cheer court block of Obama's overtime rule mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2016 #23
Federal judge to American workers: Drop dead. Efilroft Sul Nov 2016 #24
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
13. This was a judge nominated by President Obama. WTF!
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:36 PM
Nov 2016

On June 26, 2014, President Obama nominated Mazzant to serve as a United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Texas

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
21. Different legal opinions?
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:58 PM
Nov 2016

But no matter, my feeling is that all of President Obama's actions will be repealed or eliminated in the new Administration. Perhaps this will show the Stein voters that there really was a difference between the two candidates.

groundloop

(11,521 posts)
2. No overtime for someone earning 40,000, but plenty of bonuses for those earning 4,000,000
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:12 PM
Nov 2016

Our ruling elite have this country so totally fucked up it makes me sick.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
4. my friend in NYC works as a paralegal/legal assistant.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:23 PM
Nov 2016

he makes $53,000 a year. really doesn't want to work overtime, but with this law if asked to work he will probably say no and maybe lose his job.

do they get paid regular pay or does it mean they don't get 1-1/2 -- the usual overtime rate or do they just have to "donate" their time to the company.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
9. he tries to avoid it. he's 59 and
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:50 PM
Nov 2016

busts his ass on a 35 hour week. he left a job making $63,000 to cut his travel time almost in half. he hates working with lawyers too -- finds it a toxic environment.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
8. This is salaried "management" positions.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:44 PM
Nov 2016

Now the "dollar stores" can continue to count on their $24,000 a year "manager" to work 70-80 hours a week to try to keep their jobs.

30 hours a week at $7.25 is the alternative.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
10. Exempt means you don't have to be paid overtime period.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:52 PM
Nov 2016

To be exempt the position must be certain characteristics (example - administrative) AND be above a salary threshold. Example with current threshold - restaurant manager making $30k/year meets the characteristics AND is above the threshold so no paid overtime. Restaurant manager making $19k/year means paid overtime.

If they increase the threshold then the restaurant manager making $30k will receive paid overtime.

Your friend is exempt, meaning the job and salary meet the requirements. His company isn't required to pay him overtime anyway. His status as exempt doesn't change at all even if the threshold is raised. Now his company could decide to eliminate straight time pay for overtime for exempt employees, but that's a company decision not based on federal laws or rules. For instance, I'm an exempt employee also not effected by the raised threshold. I have a 5 hour gate before I receive straight time paid overtime. If I work 42 hours - nothing extra, 46 hours - 1 hour at straight time rate. This is a company decision. They don't have to pay overtime at all.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
15. why would he be exempt? he got overtime pay at his last job which
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:07 PM
Nov 2016

paid $10,000 a year more. i don't know if it was regular time or 1-1/2 times.

when i worked as legal secretary back in '88 (NYC) i made $28,000 for a 35 hour week. anything after 35 hours was paid at 1-1/2 -- double time on sundays and triple on holidays. i also got a limo home after 7pm and had 4 weeks vacation and 10 sick days, etc.

even though he's a paralegel he also does regular secretarial work.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
16. I don't know if paralegal is an exempt or not classified position.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:49 AM
Nov 2016

I assumed so based on your previous posts since I'm not familiar with what a paralegal does. So if it's non-exempt a refusal to work overtime if the threshold is increased makes even less sense. If he's non-exempt now increasing the salary threshold to be exempt doesn't effect him whatsoever.

Your references to being paid overtime for more than 35 hours is a company policy. Federal law requires time and a half only for non-exempt employees over 40 hours, though states can have additional requirements (example, California you get overtime for any hours over 8 in a work day).

So to recap. If he's making $53k and non-exempt now a change in the threshold like Obama proposed wouldn't effect him.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
17. a paralegel used to be just that. they worked
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:41 AM
Nov 2016

closely with lawyers doing research, etc. i think you had to go to school for it. somewhere in my friend's long career he learned that skill which has made it easier for him to find work as a legal secretary. many male lawyers still prefer a woman as a secretary.

not that many years ago a legal secretary could make as much as $85,000 a year and work for 1 or 2 lawyers. now they have to work for 4 to 6 lawyers.

35 hours was the policy of the law firm i worked for. most companies pay overtime after 40 hours.


cstanleytech

(26,317 posts)
5. IF their lawsuit fails yet Trump decides to overturn this as well then maybe people will wake up to
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:28 PM
Nov 2016

the fact that Trump nor the GOP are working for the American people.

LenaBaby61

(6,977 posts)
11. Probably ...
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:53 PM
Nov 2016

One of those judges that would pass through the Senate because he was right of center

Pretty sure tRump will be appointing judges to the Federal Courts who admit that they're racist POS. I mean, whose there to stop him

Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
12. If one of them had secret "moral" objections to evil, the Republican party would get rid of him. n/t
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:01 PM
Nov 2016

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
18. As far as I can tell, judge is republican.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:53 AM
Nov 2016

Obama, in his ultimate wisdom, was trying to be bi-partisan.
"Mazzant ran for the Republican nomination for 15th District Judge in Grayson County in the March primary, but lost by less than 100 votes."
http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/880942.html

atreides1

(16,091 posts)
19. But remember
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:08 AM
Nov 2016

Judges nominated to the federal bench have to have the support of the two senators from the state where they will be assigned!

That means that the choice of Mazzant was okayed by Cornyn and Cruz!

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
14. Dems should introduce legislation to make this rule law.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:45 PM
Nov 2016


They need to be making a big deal of it and how the republicans ran on how they were going to raise people's standard of living but they want to vote to lower their pay.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,586 posts)
23. Restaurants cheer court block of Obama's overtime rule
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:37 PM
Nov 2016
Restaurants cheer court block of Obama's overtime rule

By Helena Bottemiller Evich | 11/23/16 10:00 AM EST

With help from Jason Huffman, Doug Palmer, Annie Snider, Jenny Hopkinson and Catherine Boudreau

RESTAURANTS CHEER COURT BLOCK OF OBAMA’S OT RULE: Chain restaurants joined a chorus of GOP lawmakers and many in the small business community in hailing a Texas federal judge’s decision Tuesday to issue a preliminary injunction halting a Labor Department rule that would have expanded overtime pay as of next week. President Barack Obama’s signature wage intervention, which had been set to kick in Dec. 1, would double — to $47,476 — the salary threshold under which virtually all workers receive time-and-a-half pay whenever they work more than 40 hours in a given week. It was intended to restore overtime pay to millions of middle class workers after years of erosion reduced the perk to one enjoyed only by low-income earners, but the GOP and many in the business community, restaurant industry leaders among them, argued it would be prohibitively expensive.

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