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groundloop

(11,517 posts)
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 06:55 PM Nov 2016

Donald Trump Claims "Millions Of People Voted Illegally." (They Didn't.)

Source: Mother Jones

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally
3:30 PM - 27 Nov 2016

This is terrifying on a number of levels. Not only does it further demonstrate that the soon-to-be leader of the free world has a skin as thin as tissue paper, but it highlights the fact that Trump will as president continue to trade in insane conspiracy theories just as he did as a candidate and as a reality show star before that. There is exactly no evidence that "millions of people voted illegally" in the election. None. Zilch. Zero. But Trump doesn't care.

We're screwed.



Read more: http://www.motherjones.com/contributor/2016/11/donald-trump-claims-millions-people-voted-illegally-they-didnt




A good comment:

Nate Cohn ✔ @Nate_Cohn
Hard to argue against an audit/recount if the president-elect asserts, without any evidence, that were millions of illegal votes
3:46 PM - 27 Nov 2016 · Washington, DC
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Donald Trump Claims "Millions Of People Voted Illegally." (They Didn't.) (Original Post) groundloop Nov 2016 OP
One of more stupid tweets Donald has ever sent out! riversedge Nov 2016 #1
Everyone, tweet this meme at Trump: Coyotl Nov 2016 #27
What does this prove? rickford66 Nov 2016 #50
Just read the graph. Coyotl Nov 2016 #51
Is he stupid or just still lying? Cicada Nov 2016 #2
He knows his supporters will believe anything. Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #16
I see it as an initial volley in further voter restrictions groundloop Nov 2016 #22
Yes, and yes. nt. Rincewind Nov 2016 #53
Another cilla4progress Nov 2016 #3
Everyone, please! maddiemom Nov 2016 #4
Refer to him as the 'sexual predator President'. keithbvadu2 Nov 2016 #13
I like Unregistered Sex Offender (nt) William Seger Nov 2016 #48
The Trumpster is not, I say NOT an intellectual giant... pbmus Nov 2016 #5
he reminds me of FAT BASTARD from the Austin Powers movies putitinD Nov 2016 #8
Lmao pbmus Nov 2016 #23
git in mah belly!!! CatWoman Nov 2016 #42
ok Donald, you convinced me. Lets do a NATIONWIDE recount! putitinD Nov 2016 #6
EXACTLY what I said! n/t teenagebambam Nov 2016 #39
He's mentally unstable lanlady Nov 2016 #7
once against repubs control the agenda and media due to the vacuum left by democrats msongs Nov 2016 #9
Idiot n/t emulatorloo Nov 2016 #10
they're worried about recounts and i'll bet starting tomorrow certainot Nov 2016 #11
prove it...let's see some data... dhill926 Nov 2016 #12
He cries "rigged' and "fraud" but is afraid to investigate the truth. keithbvadu2 Nov 2016 #14
Fake news is truth Martin Eden Nov 2016 #15
#1. Take Him At His Word (rules for surviving in an autocracy) 0rganism Nov 2016 #17
It is not easy to convince people. pangaia Nov 2016 #29
there will come a time when reality sets in 0rganism Nov 2016 #30
His claim comes from a tweet by Gregg Phillips oberliner Nov 2016 #18
I had neighbors tell me that 3 million illegals had voted for Hillary KewlKat Nov 2016 #19
The Big Lie moondust Nov 2016 #20
My response to Trump ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #21
His base will suck this crap up like a dry donut in milk. YOHABLO Nov 2016 #24
I guess that those "millions" would be the 2 million plus votes that beveeheart Nov 2016 #25
and Karl Rove and Reince Priebus back in the shadows are INdemo Nov 2016 #26
One Thing RobinA Nov 2016 #28
Huff Post: Donald Trump Just Told One Of His Most Brazen Lies Yet Coyotl Nov 2016 #31
and it has 'lie' in the headline. As it should! riversedge Nov 2016 #34
They are all saying it, but this one was my first pick for sure. Coyotl Nov 2016 #36
Millions of Republican "meat-puppet" votes, maybe. BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #32
" @realDonaldTrump's effort to inflate his election performance without cause is typical of autocrat riversedge Nov 2016 #33
Millions of Voters Were Most Likely PREVENTED From Voting kebob Nov 2016 #35
No, no, he's RIGHT! We need a 50-state vote audit! TygrBright Nov 2016 #37
Perhaps he is signaling further culling of the voting rolls bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #38
imbecile ailsagirl Nov 2016 #40
Kellyanne Conway delivered a threat to prosecute Hillary Clinton if she pursues the recount Coyotl Nov 2016 #41
where is the fucking media on this? rurallib Nov 2016 #43
Welp then I guess we have to redo the whole fucking thing then you yammering yam. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #44
I would be a rich man if they did not make illegal deductions and payments from my account !!! JoeOtterbein Nov 2016 #45
This lie was put out by Jones on Infow.... except 3 million votes bandied Coyotl Nov 2016 #46
Lie with the ounce of truth, once you count those vapor-votes in MI, WI and PA nt ucrdem Nov 2016 #47
The Trump Scout creed Turbineguy Nov 2016 #49
As Nate Cohn noted, he opened the door to audit/redo robbedvoter Nov 2016 #52
He also did not win in a landslide. wisteria Nov 2016 #54
He's propping up his base. Bad Dog Nov 2016 #55
Well, then, Hayabusa Nov 2016 #56
Really? Then let's have a recount! Iggo Nov 2016 #57
There is MASSIVE illegal voter registration. astral Nov 2016 #58
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
51. Just read the graph.
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 11:39 PM
Nov 2016

The data is from Cook, totals for US and 50 states. The difference in popular vote is Hillary's lead today,Nov. 27, projected to be MORE than Trump's total vote in 11 states. These eleven states are the ones with the lowest number of Trump voters. DC has fewer though.

So it proves what it says, The Dem margin will be more than the total number of Trump votes in 11 states combined.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
2. Is he stupid or just still lying?
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 07:02 PM
Nov 2016

He doesn't need to lie for votes now. Could he really be so stupid that he believes the countless false things he says? Hopefully he just can't stop lying. But he has me worrying a bit with this one.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
4. Everyone, please!
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 07:04 PM
Nov 2016

Get on Twitter and find ways to refer to Trump as the minority President-Elect, then (ouch) the minority President. In all things, refer to his title with the modifier "minority." He'll be raving and whining in no time flat. Find other ways to make this a mission, just because it will make him crazier.

keithbvadu2

(36,724 posts)
13. Refer to him as the 'sexual predator President'.
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 07:15 PM
Nov 2016

His followers love that one as they try to normalize it.

lanlady

(7,133 posts)
7. He's mentally unstable
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 07:09 PM
Nov 2016

That's how I'll always refer to him: our mentally unstable, Russian-owned fraudulent president.

msongs

(67,381 posts)
9. once against repubs control the agenda and media due to the vacuum left by democrats
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 07:13 PM
Nov 2016

hillary could have claimed her 2mil + victory and the moral high ground but chose not to, now it is too late for that.

and yes I am repeating myself and will continue to do so as needed

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
11. they're worried about recounts and i'll bet starting tomorrow
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 07:14 PM
Nov 2016

1200 radio stations will start screaming to get the dittohead base howling and yelling to intimidate the recount people

democrats need to go on the offensive - everyon of the 90+ universities that broadcast sports on rw radio are legitimate places to protest in support of recounts because those stations will be screaming with those schools' logos on their megaphones..

0rganism

(23,933 posts)
17. #1. Take Him At His Word (rules for surviving in an autocracy)
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 07:25 PM
Nov 2016

Don't just think he's saying this because he's stupid or delusional or even engaging in some dishonest bravado.

This is part of the gameplan for "Making America Great Again":

Those millions of people who gave Clinton the popular vote majority? Don't count on them being legal voters in 2020

He and his minions are going to move fast, starting in January. There won't be any congressional turn-around in 2018 to save us either.

Make no mistake. This is the start of the 4th Reich.

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/11/10/trump-election-autocracy-rules-for-survival/

It will not be easy, it will not be painless, and it will not end well.

0rganism

(23,933 posts)
30. there will come a time when reality sets in
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 08:18 PM
Nov 2016

unfortunately, by then it will be too late to do anything about it

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
19. I had neighbors tell me that 3 million illegals had voted for Hillary
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 07:35 PM
Nov 2016

My jaw dropped. Where do they here this crap? These are not internet savvy people but they did watch the Clinton Cash movie before the election.

You can't fix stupid.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
24. His base will suck this crap up like a dry donut in milk.
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 07:55 PM
Nov 2016

I can't believe I live in a country with citizens so lacking in intelligence. I can't run, I can't hide.

beveeheart

(1,369 posts)
25. I guess that those "millions" would be the 2 million plus votes that
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 07:56 PM
Nov 2016

Hillary has that would be illegal?


I don't know whether to or .

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
26. and Karl Rove and Reince Priebus back in the shadows are
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 07:58 PM
Nov 2016

telling Trump just STGU or they will find out we stole this damn thing
Possible? Hell yes it is.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
28. One Thing
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 08:11 PM
Nov 2016

people have to get through their heads is that Donald Trump is not going to suddenly change. Personality is stable. And I don't mean HE'S stable, I mean people don't flip personalities. He is who he is. He's not going to serious-up and fly right. If it ever looks like he's done that you can assume they've got him locked in a padded room.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
31. Huff Post: Donald Trump Just Told One Of His Most Brazen Lies Yet
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 08:19 PM
Nov 2016

Great to see the media calling him out on this:

Donald Trump Just Told One Of His Most Brazen Lies Yet
Now he’s trying to undermine Hillary Clinton’s popular vote win.



Search Twitter for "popular vote" and check out the reactions.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
36. They are all saying it, but this one was my first pick for sure.
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 09:06 PM
Nov 2016

Just not all saying it without "lie" in the headline. It is a real case study in tip-toeing around the obvious, in parsing words carefully.
Can't wait for the "Nucking Futs" headline.

 

BlueProgressive

(229 posts)
32. Millions of Republican "meat-puppet" votes, maybe.
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 08:21 PM
Nov 2016

So how many of those Republican "rural surge" voters, maybe never actually showed up at the polls to vote, do we figure?

riversedge

(70,182 posts)
33. " @realDonaldTrump's effort to inflate his election performance without cause is typical of autocrat
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 08:22 PM
Nov 2016



Evan McMullin Verified account
?@Evan_McMullin
Interesting series of tweets about this issue.



Evan McMullin Retweeted Donald J. Trump

It should not go unrecognized that @realDonaldTrump's effort to inflate his election performance without cause is typical of autocrats.

Evan McMullin added,
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally



5:10 PM - 27 Nov 2016



Evan McMullin ?@Evan_McMullin 1h1 hour ago

They do it increase the perception of their political legitimacy, while undermining popular opposition to them.

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Evan McMullin ?@Evan_McMullin 57m57 minutes ago

And, in the process, they do enormous damage to democratic institutions, which is a larger objective they share.
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Evan McMullin ?@Evan_McMullin 56m56 minutes ago

Because it is those institutions and supporting norms that present the most significant check on an authoritarian's power.
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Evan McMullin ?@Evan_McMullin 54m54 minutes ago

When confidence in those institutions and norms has been sufficiently eroded, the authoritarian has a freer hand with which to wield power.
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Evan McMullin ?@Evan_McMullin 47m47 minutes ago

Those wishing not to experience this should speak up every time @realDonaldTrump attempts to walk us down this path. We must not tire of it.
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TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
37. No, no, he's RIGHT! We need a 50-state vote audit!
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 09:09 PM
Nov 2016

And he's a billyunare, so he can pay for it!

helpfully,
Bright

bucolic_frolic

(43,115 posts)
38. Perhaps he is signaling further culling of the voting rolls
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 09:17 PM
Nov 2016

Only people who vote for Trump will be eligible to vote

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
41. Kellyanne Conway delivered a threat to prosecute Hillary Clinton if she pursues the recount
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 09:33 PM
Nov 2016
Trump Threatens To Prosecute Hillary Clinton If She Pursues An Election Recount
By Jason Easley on Sun, Nov 27th, 2016
Trump Senior Adviser Kellyanne Conway delivered a threat to prosecute Hillary Clinton if she pursues the recount during an interview on CNN's State Of The Union.

Full transcript via CNN’s State Of The Union: ....

.......... The president doesn’t make decisions on who gets prosecuted and who doesn’t. That is not how our system works. Secondly, Donald Trump isn’t the president yet, so he has no say on what happens. What comes out of Kellyanne Conway’s mouth is usually a direct message from Trump Tower.

Conway was issuing a not so thinly veiled threat to Hillary Clinton. If Clinton’s team continues to assist with the recount, the former Secretary of State may face prosecution. The incoming administration is expressing their willingness to punish anyone who questions or expresses dissent.

If Trump is so confident in the election results, why is he so rattled by this recount? ....

rurallib

(62,403 posts)
43. where is the fucking media on this?
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 09:43 PM
Nov 2016

Time to get a spine media or he will railroad you just like any strongman in any country.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
46. This lie was put out by Jones on Infow.... except 3 million votes bandied
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 09:52 PM
Nov 2016

So, Trump is getting his briefings from Alex Jones, it seems. http://www.snopes.com/three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/

OMG, the delusionally paranoid are leading the delusionally paranoid.

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
52. As Nate Cohn noted, he opened the door to audit/redo
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 11:49 PM
Nov 2016

by contesting his own win, he joined Stein. Let's check all states!

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
55. He's propping up his base.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:15 AM
Nov 2016

Telling them what they want to believe, despite foreign meddling the will of the American people prevailed. Now they can wrap themselves in the American flag and blame 'illegals' when the country goes to pot.

Hayabusa

(2,135 posts)
56. Well, then,
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:43 AM
Nov 2016

let's have that recount then, shall we? Gotta make sure this is all on the up and up, right?

 

astral

(2,531 posts)
58. There is MASSIVE illegal voter registration.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:52 PM
Nov 2016

Re-counts won't know who the lucky winner of the majority of illegal votes was.

Do you trust Truethevote.org?

Do the illegal voters make the difference, and in which direction? That is the question that CANNOT BE ANSWERED, this election.

Maybe 'next time' we'll all want to do it right: verified, re-countable votes ONLY.

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