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Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 02:49 PM Jan 2017

Trump Just Dismissed the People in Charge of Maintaining Our Nuclear Arsenal

Source: Gizmodo

Between the Trump transition team’s infighting, incompetence, and high-profile resignations, any decisions that signaled even a modicum of stability for the country would come as a relief at this point. Unfortunately, the nascent Trump Administration isn’t inclined to calm anyone’s nerves. According to an official within the Department of Energy, this past Friday, the President-elect’s team instructed the head of the National Nuclear Security Administration and his deputy to clean out their desks when Trump takes office on January 20th.

The NNSA is the $12 billion-a-year agency that “maintains and enhances the safety, security, and effectiveness of the U.S. nuclear weapons stockpile.” It’s unclear when the two officials will be replaced.

Traditionally, all political appointees of an outgoing presidential administration turn in resignation letters effective on noon of inauguration day, January 20. But appointees in key positions—like the people who make sure our nukes work—are often asked to stay on in their roles until a replacement can be found and confirmed by the Senate, helping ensure a smooth transition and allowing our government to continue functioning. In fact, for the entirety of Obama’s first term and into part of his second, the NNSA Administrator remained a Bush appointee.

Trump, however, appears determined to immediately push out everyone who was appointed by Obama, regardless of whether or not he has anyone in line for the job. Or, as our source put it: “It’s a shocking disregard for process and continuity of government.”

Read more: http://gizmodo.com/trump-just-dismissed-the-people-in-charge-of-maintainin-1790908093



The Great Purge continues. Making America Great Again by weakening the agency which oversees and maintains our nuclear arsenal. Trump's recklessness puts us all in greater danger.
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Trump Just Dismissed the People in Charge of Maintaining Our Nuclear Arsenal (Original Post) Devil Child Jan 2017 OP
Terrifying. n/t MBS Jan 2017 #1
Don't worry Putin's guys are ready to step in on day one and take over the nuclear aresenal kimbutgar Jan 2017 #2
Once Trump's puppet government is installed... Orrex Jan 2017 #11
Don't you mean Putin's puppet government? WhiteTara Jan 2017 #47
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #13
Really. Is he really a Russian plant? hollowdweller Jan 2017 #63
I'm not allowed conjecture on a free forum of opinions? kimbutgar Jan 2017 #64
Well there's this... xor Jan 2017 #71
Yeah, I don't know about that meme that the military uses about protecting our freedoms Baitball Blogger Jan 2017 #3
With the exception of WWII atreides1 Jan 2017 #37
Without them, who would have stopped the Russians? 7962 Jan 2017 #45
WTF! Holy BeJeesus!!! Stellar Jan 2017 #4
Uh...that's not good. Solly Mack Jan 2017 #5
I feel a freakin evil, shrunken-soul Anti-Christ Republican APOCALYPSE coming on Achilleaze Jan 2017 #6
Yikes! I remember doing that Big_K Jan 2017 #33
That was the first thing that came to mind SnowCritter Jan 2017 #78
He's going to contract this out... MsInformed Jan 2017 #7
What happens if people choose not to resign? Renew Deal Jan 2017 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #15
Komr-rade Nogudnik might JUST want to have a little *TALK* wid 'em....... lastlib Jan 2017 #24
A man you can bait with a tweet" can't be trusted "with nuclear weapons... tinrobot Jan 2017 #9
Agreed! citizen blues Jan 2017 #19
HEY!!! heaven05 Jan 2017 #10
Jesus God this is really bad. Does Trump want to use a nuke? Botany Jan 2017 #12
He really IS Mark Hamill's Joker... Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #67
Got to purge any possible refuseniks... Girard442 Jan 2017 #14
He seems to want the country weak and vulnerable to attack BainsBane Jan 2017 #16
But Russia feels so much safer! colorado_ufo Jan 2017 #17
I see this move as part of his plan-to get his guys with minimal or NO vetting riversedge Jan 2017 #18
What will happen is that the career people next in line will step up temporarily. haele Jan 2017 #53
+1 LiberalLoner Jan 2017 #60
Perhaps he has already been working on a deal to sell them. TNNurse Jan 2017 #20
No. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #21
i can't believe this is happening. barbtries Jan 2017 #22
I wouldn't be surprised, but I couldn't find this on any mainstream news site. woodsprite Jan 2017 #23
I wondered about that as well. Esquire is running it as well but using the qualifier "allegedly"... JHan Jan 2017 #30
Gizmodo is pretty solid but I'm surprised that this isn't in the mainstream yet. NWCorona Jan 2017 #39
PURGE is the operative word here. pangaia Jan 2017 #25
They all appear to be the same; their allegiance is not to this country. nancy1942 Jan 2017 #26
Please explain to me how he has this power when Barack Obama is still president. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #27
"when he takes office Jan. 20" wordpix Jan 2017 #29
So, the OP's "just dismissed" is incorrect? Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #31
My take is that they were technically given a letter of severance. NWCorona Jan 2017 #42
let's face it, Trump is an insane madman wordpix Jan 2017 #28
" " " " n/t MBS Jan 2017 #32
Dr. Strangetrump elmac Jan 2017 #34
I guess I might as well start spending my 401K Botany Jan 2017 #36
Maybe our nuclear arsenal is being gifted to Pootie. Vinca Jan 2017 #35
Scorching the Earth AwakeAtLast Jan 2017 #38
i'm googling to try and find another source orleans Jan 2017 #40
I have been searching too. redwitch Jan 2017 #49
and i found this tonight orleans Jan 2017 #74
This is highly unusual because not including the backlog NWCorona Jan 2017 #41
The NNSA's administrator's office has been vacant for months in the past, but onenote Jan 2017 #44
Trump is a fucking surrender monkey for God's sake world wide wally Jan 2017 #43
It's starting to get very scary - fast Victor_c3 Jan 2017 #46
Open letter to DoD Turbineguy Jan 2017 #48
Wonder if he's doing this at Putin's request. lark Jan 2017 #50
How long before he actually uses them? liberal N proud Jan 2017 #51
The source later added, Im more and more coming around to the idea that were so very very fucked muriel_volestrangler Jan 2017 #52
yup, and I agree. n/t MBS Jan 2017 #54
What kind of fuckery is this? Waiting for a legit source but nothing would surprise me. Glimmer of Hope Jan 2017 #55
Seriously someone has to stop this . kacekwl Jan 2017 #56
We, the majority, got it right. But we'll go down with the minority's stupidity. ffr Jan 2017 #57
You people carry on. Norbert Jan 2017 #58
Look, this is not anything to worry about, according to my husband who LiberalLoner Jan 2017 #59
Thanks for the info! So many other things to worry about. Glimmer of Hope Jan 2017 #65
................. bdamomma Jan 2017 #66
Along with their resignations, they should tell him the nuclear launch code is 1 2 3 4 5 Thor_MN Jan 2017 #61
But what if it really IS 12345? FrodosNewPet Jan 2017 #68
It may be the combination for his luggage... Thor_MN Jan 2017 #79
NNSA denies this. tavernier Jan 2017 #62
But even Teen Vogue is reporting this! Glimmer of Hope Jan 2017 #69
can you put up some of the article? business insider won't let me read it n/t orleans Jan 2017 #70
Here you go: Glimmer of Hope Jan 2017 #72
thank you n/t orleans Jan 2017 #73
I only went by the official NNSA site article. tavernier Jan 2017 #77
I have doubts America as we know it can survive Trump area51 Jan 2017 #75
The ultimate conman is now in charge of the WMDs. democratisphere Jan 2017 #76
political appointees come and go DeminPennswoods Jan 2017 #80

kimbutgar

(21,153 posts)
2. Don't worry Putin's guys are ready to step in on day one and take over the nuclear aresenal
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 02:57 PM
Jan 2017

After all they probably have been hacking into the system for years since the rethugs refused to fund upgrades.

I am beginning to think seriously the rethug party are sleeper cells of Russian influence.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
11. Once Trump's puppet government is installed...
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 03:24 PM
Jan 2017

They'll be in a position to give extensive access to US intelligence data, procedures and operatives, thereby permanently and irretrievably crippling the nation's defense strategy.


But by all means, the GOP Congress should repeal the ACA first, and maybe investigate Benghazi a few more times.

Response to kimbutgar (Reply #2)

Baitball Blogger

(46,715 posts)
3. Yeah, I don't know about that meme that the military uses about protecting our freedoms
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 03:03 PM
Jan 2017

in the USA when conservatives voted in someone into office that is continually disarming us and making us vulnerable to our enemies.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
45. Without them, who would have stopped the Russians?
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 05:32 PM
Jan 2017

They would have had little opposition taking the rest of Europe or here if they wanted. Not to mention the Chinese

Big_K

(237 posts)
33. Yikes! I remember doing that
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 04:33 PM
Jan 2017

Cuban Missile Crisis, living in Jacksonville Florida, Naval Air Station about 3 miles across the St. Johns River from my elementary school, and Mayport, base of the 6th fleet at that time, about a 30 minute drive away.

We boys thought the dog tags we got were really cool. Like the ARMY! Of course, what's the main purpose of dog tags? Perhaps identifying the dead?

We brought gallon jugs of water and cans of diet meal replacement shakes to school, and did "drills" where Moms with station wagons were going to take us to safety in St. Augustine. Another 30 minute drive away, right down US 1.

Now I'm just gonna going to say fuck it and let the blast take me away.

MsInformed

(48 posts)
7. He's going to contract this out...
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 03:12 PM
Jan 2017

to Russian contractors.
The ones with the lowest bid and then he's not going to pay them.

Response to Renew Deal (Reply #8)

lastlib

(23,238 posts)
24. Komr-rade Nogudnik might JUST want to have a little *TALK* wid 'em.......
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 04:03 PM
Jan 2017

ifyagetmymeanin'..........

tinrobot

(10,902 posts)
9. A man you can bait with a tweet" can't be trusted "with nuclear weapons...
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 03:13 PM
Jan 2017

You can't say we weren't warned.

Fuck everyone who voted for this dangerous clown... and all those who didn't vote.

citizen blues

(570 posts)
19. Agreed!
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 03:48 PM
Jan 2017

And fuck everyone who threw away their votes. I didn't get to vote for who I wanted either.

But you can't say you weren't warned.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
10. HEY!!!
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 03:16 PM
Jan 2017

if the bombs, facilities using nuclear material(s) become unsafe, MILLIONS of americans wittingly or less rare unwittingly voted for this to happen, what's the big deal. We have a madman maniac for POTUS and now all of us have to just suck it up!!!!!!!!!

Botany

(70,508 posts)
12. Jesus God this is really bad. Does Trump want to use a nuke?
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 03:25 PM
Jan 2017

"Several months ago, a foreign policy expert on the international level went to advise Donald
Trump. And three times [Trump] asked about the use of nuclear weapons. Three times he asked
at one point if we had them why can't we use them," Scarborough said on his "Morning Joe"
program.


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/03/trump-asks-why-us-cant-use-nukes-msnbcs-joe-scarborough-reports.html


Girard442

(6,075 posts)
14. Got to purge any possible refuseniks...
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 03:26 PM
Jan 2017

...who might go insubordinant when the orange man-baby throws a button-pushing tantrum.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
16. He seems to want the country weak and vulnerable to attack
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 03:28 PM
Jan 2017

almost as if he's taking his marching orders from a hostile nation.

riversedge

(70,233 posts)
18. I see this move as part of his plan-to get his guys with minimal or NO vetting
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 03:47 PM
Jan 2017

IMHO!!



... But appointees in key positions—like the people who make sure our nukes work—are often asked to stay on in their roles until a replacement can be found and confirmed by the Senate, helping ensure a smooth transition and allowing our government to continue functioning. In fact, for the entirety of Obama’s first term and into part of his second, the NNSA Administrator remained a Bush appointee.



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haele

(12,657 posts)
53. What will happen is that the career people next in line will step up temporarily.
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 07:29 PM
Jan 2017

There will be a change notice in each department promulgated by the outgoing appointee - a "delegation of authority" that can be passed down to cover the period between the old boss and the new boss. It's something that typically happens over the holidays or when the appointee has to be out of office for a while, but I've seen official delegations last for as long as a year while the Government scrambles for a suitable replacement for a retiree at a high level.

The amount of immediate purging his administration would have to do to get "their people" in charge down the two or three levels to really ensure they change Federal policy in critical key departments with their people in charge in most of these departments would result in hundreds of thousands of people, if not closer to a million suddenly losing their jobs by the end of Q3 FY17. Everyone in the Country will have at least a personal relative or a relative of a friend affected.
This would be something that can't be hidden or explained away as "political/transitional business as usual". And what it would do to the economy would tank it.

So honestly, I'm not as concerned about the appointees as I am about the requests for the transition team on who is working what projects, or what positions they hold within the government. The first shows a petty temperament and a shallow understanding on how government works.
When they start looking at who's been doing the work as a career, at who has "corporate knowledge" of what is going on and how to get the projects completed and the service provided, then I really get worried.

Haele

woodsprite

(11,915 posts)
23. I wouldn't be surprised, but I couldn't find this on any mainstream news site.
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 04:01 PM
Jan 2017

Don't know gizmodo's rep, other ones I found talking about it were political wire blog, and tree of liberty (ewww, I disinfected myself after visiting that site). Rawstory has it, but it was just a repost of gizmodo's article.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
30. I wondered about that as well. Esquire is running it as well but using the qualifier "allegedly"...
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 04:28 PM
Jan 2017

Still, the fact it's entirely believable is what's frightening.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
25. PURGE is the operative word here.
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 04:11 PM
Jan 2017

As in everything he is doing.

He will install HIS goons// as do all dictators..

It is not the Russians I am so worried about now. It is HIM!!! And his gestapo!

orleans

(34,052 posts)
40. i'm googling to try and find another source
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 04:59 PM
Jan 2017

such as washington post, nytimes, latimes, cnn (simply to corroborate & verify this story)

none have reported this that i can find

and if this story is true then wtf is wrong with these news outlets. you'd think something like this is rather fucking important and newsworthy

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
41. This is highly unusual because not including the backlog
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 05:03 PM
Jan 2017

A top secret security clearance takes a minimum of 4 months and up to a year.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
44. The NNSA's administrator's office has been vacant for months in the past, but
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 05:23 PM
Jan 2017

the difference is that when it was vacant, you had an experienced Principal Deputy to fill the gap. If the story is correct and both the administrator and the principal deputy are being let go, that is a serious problem.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
46. It's starting to get very scary - fast
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 05:40 PM
Jan 2017

Dismissing nuke staff?!?! Using his personal security detachment instead of the Secret Service?!?!

This sounds like the beginning of the plot of one of those spy-action-war Clanceyesque novel.

He appoints people that will be loyal to him to control the nukes and he is surrounding himself with people loyal to him and not the constitution and the American people.

I'm not a person to get all worried about conspiracy nonsense, but things are shaping up to be very scary indeed.

lark

(23,102 posts)
50. Wonder if he's doing this at Putin's request.
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 06:42 PM
Jan 2017

He'd love to see our nukes mishandled and don the con is too stupid to realize why. He thinks that Putin is on his side, and that's just really scary.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,319 posts)
52. The source later added, Im more and more coming around to the idea that were so very very fucked
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 07:13 PM
Jan 2017

Quote of the day.

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
56. Seriously someone has to stop this .
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 07:39 PM
Jan 2017

This guy can't have this kind of power. The military took an oath to protect the country. If they don't have the power to stop this can't they file a lawsuit to tie his hands in court. Surely the Supreme Court will rule in the countrys interest. If not we have lost all hope.

Norbert

(6,040 posts)
58. You people carry on.
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 07:44 PM
Jan 2017

I live near GE Aircraft Engines, If all hell breaks loose GE will be a huge crater and I will be a pile of ash.

What a dumb shit he is.

LiberalLoner

(9,761 posts)
59. Look, this is not anything to worry about, according to my husband who
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 07:46 PM
Jan 2017

Is relatively high up in the chain of command for NNSA. There are positions that are political appointees, and they always tender their resignations when a new President steps in. Yeah it might be nice to have a delay but nothing awful is going to happen in the meantime. People like my husband and his boss will step up to the plate and get the work done.

No worries, America. Not as far as the NNSA and it's mission are concerned, at least.

Lots of other things to worry about, but no need to worry about this one.

Glimmer of Hope

(5,823 posts)
72. Here you go:
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 01:07 AM
Jan 2017

"An anonymous NNSA official cited by Defense News denies Klotz and Creedon were dismissed. "There have been no discussions between the president-elect’s transition team and any of NNSA’s political appointees on extending their public service past Jan. 20," the official said.

If Klotz and Creedon were dismissed, it "doesn't make any sense," Joe Cirincione, president of the Ploughshares Fund (a global security foundation) and a nuclear policy expert, told Business Insider.

"It's another one of the unprecedented moves that Trump sees as a clean sweep but could be very bad for the country," Cirincione said. "You really don't want to strip away the senior management of your nuclear weapons without naming a replacement. The nukes are basically home alone if you do that.""

tavernier

(12,389 posts)
77. I only went by the official NNSA site article.
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 09:07 AM
Jan 2017

I would link, but my phone is not agreeable today. But easy to google.

area51

(11,909 posts)
75. I have doubts America as we know it can survive Trump
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 04:12 AM
Jan 2017

Trump is the most corrupt president in US history.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
76. The ultimate conman is now in charge of the WMDs.
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 08:54 AM
Jan 2017

Isn't this what we have always tried to prevent and stop at all costs?

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
80. political appointees come and go
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 05:27 PM
Jan 2017

They are barely relevent to the operation or function of federal agencies.

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