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milestogo

(16,829 posts)
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 06:31 PM Jan 2017

Schumer puts GOP on notice over ObamaCare repeal

Source: The Hill

Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) has made it crystal clear: If Republicans repeal ObamaCare without immediately implementing a plan to replace it, Democrats will not help them out of a pickle down the road.

Senate Democratic sources familiar with Schumer’s thinking say he will not engage in any negotiations to pass a watered-down version of the landmark healthcare reform law if Republicans unilaterally force its repeal first under special budgetary rules. “That’s not a close call. They’re doing something so extraordinary reckless. You cannot reward hostage taking,” a Democratic senator said.

The Democratic senator said Republicans have refused to work with President Obama for six years to come up with fixes to improve the law because they wanted to heighten its unpopularity and score political points.

Now, even if the GOP can secure a repeal through the budget reconciliation process – which requires only a majority – they’ll need support from at least eight Democrats to hit the 60 votes needed to pass repeal legislation.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/314317-schumer-puts-gop-on-notice-over-obamacare-repeal

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Schumer puts GOP on notice over ObamaCare repeal (Original Post) milestogo Jan 2017 OP
Only vote will be Manchin kimbutgar Jan 2017 #1
I doubt thst Schumer can get the Senate dems to vote in unison. CentralMass Jan 2017 #2
regarding the ACA, I think he can do this... and there are Republicans who have constituents who secondwind Jan 2017 #6
What Sanders bill are you talking about? murielm99 Jan 2017 #7
12 Democrats voted against an amendment Ms. Toad Jan 2017 #14
it was a non-binding resolution NewJeffCT Jan 2017 #15
Seriously? Ms. Toad Jan 2017 #17
Nice snow job. CentralMass Jan 2017 #18
I like the hardass attitude. milestogo Jan 2017 #3
Good. dalton99a Jan 2017 #4
Mr. Schumer Wellstone ruled Jan 2017 #5
Well at least he and a goid number of Senators did vote for the bill. CentralMass Jan 2017 #19
Junk Insurance videohead5 Jan 2017 #8
Stay strong dems flamingdem Jan 2017 #9
so does that mean the Insurance companies will be bdamomma Jan 2017 #10
Why should Democrats help them out of any "pickle" Ilsa Jan 2017 #11
The Republicans are digging themselves a hole, Democrats should not be expected Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #12
A good stance as any proposal that replaces Obamacare must atleast provide the same level of care cstanleytech Jan 2017 #13
there is a difference between DonCoquixote Jan 2017 #16

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
2. I doubt thst Schumer can get the Senate dems to vote in unison.
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 06:44 PM
Jan 2017

This recent vote on the Sanders bill is a case in point

The congressional dems are not united and many appear ro be doing tbe bidding of the monied interests that help put them in office..



secondwind

(16,903 posts)
6. regarding the ACA, I think he can do this... and there are Republicans who have constituents who
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 07:19 PM
Jan 2017

love Obamacare.. this isn't going to be easy for them.

murielm99

(30,715 posts)
7. What Sanders bill are you talking about?
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 07:20 PM
Jan 2017

And what monied interests? That is certainly painting with a broad brush.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
14. 12 Democrats voted against an amendment
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 08:14 PM
Jan 2017

that would have permitted US residents to purchase prescription drugs from Canada.

This proposal has been dismissed as meaningless - but would have decreased my daughter's expenses for a single drug by ~$13,000/ year.

At least some of the Democrats who voted against it received significant donations from the pharmaceutical lobby.

(Several Republicans voted for the amendment, which failed.)

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
15. it was a non-binding resolution
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 08:28 PM
Jan 2017

It would not have made a difference in your daughter's expenses.

The second & third biggest recipients of pharmaceutical money voted for it. Sanders received almost as much as Booker from the pharmaceutical industry, but voted the opposite way.

https://cenlamar.com/2017/01/14/if-bernie-sanders-cares-about-cheaper-drugs-he-should-stop-smearing-his-colleagues-for-rejecting-his-flawed-amendment/

Why are progressives being duped by the NY Observer, which is run by Jared Kushner and family? You know, the "unpaid" senior adviser to Donald Trump?

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
17. Seriously?
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 09:13 PM
Jan 2017

You think it is impressive that not everyone who got money from the pharmaceutical industry voted against it?

That's like saying "but everyone else does it," in reverse.

Sorry, but there should have been no Democratic defections on this amendment - AND - any Democrat who did vote against it AND received significant contributions needs to come up with a better explanation than "safety." I'd buy that if we were talking about a country with lower standards than the US - but not from a country that has higher standards.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
18. Nice snow job.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 12:57 AM
Jan 2017

Its clear the some people are more concerned with defending specific politicians then they are in getting progressive legislation passed.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/13/bernie-sanders-pharma-bill-vote-reveals-new-battle-lines-commentary.html

"On the surface, the drug companies won a battle against Senator Bernie Sanders as his bill to allow pharmaceutical distributors and pharmacists to import cheaper prescription drugs from Canada and other countries lost by a narrow 52-46 vote. And Sanders is fuming at the 13 Democratic Senators who essentially killed the bill by voting against it.
But first impressions can be deceiving. The bigger news is that 12 Republicans joined the Sanders forces and voted in favor of his bill. Suddenly, the battle lines in the pharma wars are shifting. They didn't shift in time to get this cheaper drug importation bill passed, but that measure was small potatoes anyway. The stakes will be much higher in the coming months, and the anti-pharma armies are getting stronger.
Just look at some of the names of the key GOP Senators with seniority or national renown as conservatives who voted in favor: Ted Cruz, (yes THAT Ted Cruz), Charles Grassley, John Thune, John McCain, Jeff Flake, and Mike Lee. And note well that the newest Republican Senator, John Kennedy from Louisiana, also joined in favor. More on Kennedy, and why his vote was especially telling in a moment.
But first, it's hard to discount the importance of seeing Senators like Cruz and Thune join in on a bill clearly meant to send a message to the drug industry. This is very much the result of more and more bi-partisan opposition to exploding prescription drug prices in individual cases like Mylan's EpiPen last year and the Martin Shkreli-induced 50-fold increase for a life-saving drug called Daraprim in 2015. And while Democrats and Republicans joined in the drug company-bashing and drug company CEO-bashing in response to those incidents during Senate hearings, actually standing up and being counted in a vote meant to warn the entire drug industry is more significant.
Of course, this is not just a result of the EpiPen costs and Martin Shkreli. This new party-line crossing trend has a lot to do with the new sheriff coming to the White House next week. President-elect Donald Trump sent drug sector stocks into a tailspin earlier this week when he made a special point of calling out the drug companies for "getting away with murder" in their pricing power.
The fact that he made that statement the very morning before the Sanders bill vote in the Senate is significant and it's likely it may have influenced a few Republican Senators who had been on the fence. And, getting back to the freshman Senator Kennedy from Louisiana, it was probably not lost on the man who received the most personal campaign support from Trump in 2016 that the incoming president and his most important political benefactor decided to hit Big Pharma so prominently that same day.
This drug pricing war is indeed producing very different battle lines. So let's also look at the names of some of the 13 Democrats who opposed Sanders' plan, because those names are also very telling. Democrats like Corey Booker and Bob Menendez, both from Big Pharma's major U.S. headquarters state of New Jersey, voted "nay." The drug industry's major presence in states like Delaware and Pennsylvania also seems to have played a roll in getting the two Democratic Senators from Delaware and the one Democrat from Pennsylvania to vote no as well. And so did Democrat Patty Murray from Washington, who is one of the biggest recipients of pharma company donations with almost $300,000 for her re-election campaign last year alone"

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. Mr. Schumer
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 07:07 PM
Jan 2017

has to put his Leadership were his mouth is. From what we have seen in the last 10 days,the Nation has awaken to the GOP Rape of the Middle Class and those without a voice.

videohead5

(2,165 posts)
8. Junk Insurance
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 07:25 PM
Jan 2017

That's what the GOP is going to push.I heard a GOP Senator this morning he was talking about taking off all the regulations of the ACA so insurance companies can sell insurance that really does not cover anything.

bdamomma

(63,794 posts)
10. so does that mean the Insurance companies will be
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 07:54 PM
Jan 2017

will be increasing their plans to soak americans out of their money???

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
11. Why should Democrats help them out of any "pickle"
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 08:00 PM
Jan 2017

unless it was to help the American people? We need for the voters to see the true colors of the gop.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
12. The Republicans are digging themselves a hole, Democrats should not be expected
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 08:03 PM
Jan 2017

To put the dirt back in the hole. Republicans has had six years to improve the ACA and their only move was to repeal, the Republicans was not a part of the ACA and let them figure their way out of this.

cstanleytech

(26,224 posts)
13. A good stance as any proposal that replaces Obamacare must atleast provide the same level of care
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 08:04 PM
Jan 2017

otherwise its worthless.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
16. there is a difference between
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 08:32 PM
Jan 2017

the Sanders bill and the ACA. This is going to sound mean, but the Democrats are going to be for more reluctant to let what is Obama's signature achievement die than to do one more whack on the head towards Bernie Sanders, who most of them still hate. If the ACA is defeated, even if it is only watered down slightly, the GOP noise machine will scream loud and clear that they saved America from Obama. Please do not underestimate the extent to which a lot of trumps voters just want to go ahead and tell that (you know damn well what word they would call him) that Trump stuffed his legacy.

Of course I could be very wrong and find the good senator from New York might be eager to dump Obama's legacy, after all, he is from the wing of the party that often criticized Obama for going too far to the left. Then we need to put the senator on notice and all who follow him, that those who loved Obama, and yes those that were angry at Obama do have one thing in common, that we expect Obama's legacy to be defended, and if you cannot do it. Sen. we will find people who will.

In a sane time I would never have to utter those words; in a sane time, I would never say "president Trump." If any Democrat wants to go ahead and join in the insanity of working with Donald, they better be prepared in 2018 in 2020 when they get hold often straitjackets like the rest of their friends.

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