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BrentWil

(2,384 posts)
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 11:42 PM Jan 2017

Why Russia Loves the Idea of California Seceding

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by NancyBlueINOklahoma (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: Politico

The strategic advantage of making an argument for the secession of an American state to an audience in central Moscow is hard to gauge; after all, its voters in the States who would decide this matter. But the value to Russian interests seems more obvious, at least in the estimation of the leader of a separate and competing California secession movement, who actually lives in the state.

YesCalifornia isnt a Californian movement, said Jed Wheeler, the general secretary of the California National Party. YesCalifornia is a movement whose optics are all designed for a Russian audience to reinforce [Vladimir] Putin, by talking abouthow terrible America is, and reinforcing [the idea that] Putin is this great guy who is admired all over the world.

While the conference was going on, of course, the Kremlin-led hacking campaign against the Democratic National Committee was having its effect on the American presidential election, a provocation that has unwound relations between Moscow and Washington (with the exception of the president-elect) to their lowest levels since the pre-Gorbachev days. Since the election, while Washington (again with the exception of the president-elect) debates what the response should be for Russias meddling in the American political process, Marinelli and his handful of supporters are flaunting their ties with Russia, or at least the ones they hope to build. To that end, in mid-December, Marinelli held a news conference, helpfully covered by the state-run RT television station, declaring the opening of a California Embassy in Moscow.

It would be easy to dismiss all this as nonsense driven by publicity-hungry amateurs, but people who know the Russian political playbook say winking at these fringe movementsand even giving them a boostis a part of a very real strategy. Not only is this a way of puffing Russias domestic claims at turmoil in the U.S., but it fits firmly within the Kremlins modus operandi of cultivating fringe groups in the Westincluding, most especially, those who would fracture the United States in a reprise of the Soviet Unions demise, over a quarter-century later.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/why-russia-loves-the-idea-of-california-seceding-214632



Seems like a means to destroy the United States.
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Why Russia Loves the Idea of California Seceding (Original Post) BrentWil Jan 2017 OP
Not.Going.To.Happen. onecaliberal Jan 2017 #1
I never heard anything about such a movement or 2naSalit Jan 2017 #2
It seems like almost every region has some sort of movement of that ilk xor Jan 2017 #7
not lbn it is a fairy tale msongs Jan 2017 #3
Aye, I am not sure why this is in LBN either since its not news but rather opinion. nt cstanleytech Jan 2017 #6
Good News! DepBlueSky Jan 2017 #4
Stupid shit ginned up by another Putin bootlicker and attention whore dalton99a Jan 2017 #5
Ca has lots of good landing beach sites for the Comrades.... Cryptoad Jan 2017 #8
not really Retrograde Jan 2017 #9
Locking - this is not breaking news OKNancy Jan 2017 #10

onecaliberal

(32,786 posts)
1. Not.Going.To.Happen.
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 11:44 PM
Jan 2017

2naSalit

(86,393 posts)
2. I never heard anything about such a movement or
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 11:59 PM
Jan 2017

anything of the sort until a couple weeks ago, I was wondering where that noise was coming from. I think it's more shit-stirring from cheato's BFF.

xor

(1,204 posts)
7. It seems like almost every region has some sort of movement of that ilk
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:33 AM
Jan 2017

Right after the election, I saw people posting that stuff. A quick search of the guy behind it showed some interesting Russian ties. Whether or not there is anything to those ties, I dunno, but for sure they were exploiting the whole thing. I may be wrong, but I think they are more libertarian than anything else.

msongs

(67,371 posts)
3. not lbn it is a fairy tale
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 12:19 AM
Jan 2017

cstanleytech

(26,251 posts)
6. Aye, I am not sure why this is in LBN either since its not news but rather opinion. nt
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:18 AM
Jan 2017
 

DepBlueSky

(9 posts)
4. Good News!
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 12:36 AM
Jan 2017

If Russia wants it, Trump does too.

We still need protection from Trump's unhinged behavior and NATO looks like the answer. Trump pulls out, California joins and NATO keeps Trump from invading.

dalton99a

(81,410 posts)
5. Stupid shit ginned up by another Putin bootlicker and attention whore
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 12:37 AM
Jan 2017

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
8. Ca has lots of good landing beach sites for the Comrades....
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:16 AM
Jan 2017

Retrograde

(10,130 posts)
9. not really
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:43 AM
Jan 2017

There's a long coastline bit it's rocky and steep in many places. Europeans sailed up and down the coast for two centuries before San Francisco Bay was discovered - by an overland party.

These days anyone who wanted to would invade by air.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
10. Locking - this is not breaking news
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 08:38 AM
Jan 2017

This is analysis of events over several months. ANY article that starts with "why" or "how" is going to be an analysis/editorial/commentary article.

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