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Drum

(9,128 posts)
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:20 PM Jan 2017

Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Mannings Sentence

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — President Obama on Tuesday largely commuted the remaining prison sentence of Chelsea Manning, the army intelligence analyst convicted of an enormous 2010 leak that revealed American military and diplomatic activities across the world, disrupted the administration, and made WikiLeaks, the recipient of those disclosures, famous.

The decision by Mr. Obama rescued Ms. Manning, who twice tried to commit suicide last year, from an uncertain future as a transgender woman incarcerated at the male military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kan. She has been jailed for nearly seven years, and her 35-year sentence was by far the longest punishment ever imposed in the United States for a leak conviction.

Now, under the terms of Mr. Obama’s commutation announced by the White House on Tuesday, Ms. Manning is set to be freed in five months, on May 17 of this year, rather than in 2045.

The commutation also relieved the Department of Defense of the difficult responsibility of her incarceration as she pushes for treatment for her gender dysphoria — including sex reassignment surgery — that the military has no experience providing.

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Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Mannings Sentence (Original Post) Drum Jan 2017 OP
I wish she could leave at the same time as Obama bravenak Jan 2017 #1
I am grateful. Delphinus Jan 2017 #2
good. . ..n/t annabanana Jan 2017 #3
Great news! deurbano Jan 2017 #4
YES! Hekate Jan 2017 #5
Good news. JHan Jan 2017 #6
Thank you. milestogo Jan 2017 #7
While I am not a fan of Manning's actions, this is probably the right thing to do. stevenleser Jan 2017 #8
+1 2naSalit Jan 2017 #9
Good post, I agree bravenak Jan 2017 #10
Good point. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #13
I think Trump would sick his fans on her if he could bravenak Jan 2017 #17
He is terrifying BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #48
That's pretty much where I'm at with it Renew Deal Jan 2017 #15
Agreed Steven grantcart Jan 2017 #21
Oh I agree with you, I just dont agree with the people that thought Manning shouldnt have been cstanleytech Jan 2017 #24
Agreed! hrmjustin Jan 2017 #25
I agree tammywammy Jan 2017 #39
Unwilling to provide. Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #45
While I've had problems with what Manning did mountain grammy Jan 2017 #11
This might be a very good week if we get more stuff like this TeamPooka Jan 2017 #12
Don Siegelman and Leonard Peltier.... lastlib Jan 2017 #28
Still hoping he pardons them too. nt AnotherDreamWeaver Jan 2017 #47
wonderful news! n/t secondwind Jan 2017 #14
Excellent. But, why not today? mahannah Jan 2017 #16
I know right? redwitch Jan 2017 #34
Wow, huge news. Thanks Obama! harun Jan 2017 #18
Yay!!! There is still good news in this world UpInArms Jan 2017 #19
"What's the Difference Between a Pardon and a Commutation?" brooklynite Jan 2017 #20
IIRC BumRushDaShow Jan 2017 #23
I kinda remember that being viewed as a slap in the face to Cheney. Cheney wanted a pardon. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #36
Yup BumRushDaShow Jan 2017 #37
In the end it was the right decision. hrmjustin Jan 2017 #22
Good! No telling what her life would be like under a Trump administration. Rex Jan 2017 #26
Color me surprised... Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #27
His supporters are already moving the goalposts Jake Stern Jan 2017 #33
If anyone thinks Assange keeps his word, Please..... Old Vet Jan 2017 #38
It was bullshit. The US isn't trying to extradite Assange. n/t tammywammy Jan 2017 #40
Well, the US doesn't want him. joshcryer Jan 2017 #43
President Obama how can you realease Ms Manning and INdemo Jan 2017 #29
CNN reporting that Assange tweeted four days ago that he would come to the US if Manning pardoned. hamsterjill Jan 2017 #30
K&R Solly Mack Jan 2017 #31
My respect for Obama just plummeted NobodyHere Jan 2017 #32
That's strange. He did the right thing. Gravitycollapse Jan 2017 #42
This feels like the last bit of good news for a very, very long time. n/t Yavin4 Jan 2017 #35
So, all of my friends in the military, mostly lifers, are super pissed off about this. Calista241 Jan 2017 #41
Because most lifers in the military are fascist? SteamAddict Jan 2017 #44
I hope none of the Trump "open-carry" crazies search for her once she's out. Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #46
I wonder if the military pushed for this behind closed doors. Calista241 Jan 2017 #49
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
8. While I am not a fan of Manning's actions, this is probably the right thing to do.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:42 PM
Jan 2017

There is a real question of how much Manning's emotional issues contributed to her terrible decisions. Seven years is probably enough given those mitigating circumstances.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
10. Good post, I agree
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:46 PM
Jan 2017

She faced trial and did hard time. I wonder how safe she would be under a Trump admin.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
13. Good point.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:53 PM
Jan 2017

With those goose-stepping sadists leading the new, American Hate, she'd be in deep scary waters.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
17. I think Trump would sick his fans on her if he could
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:00 PM
Jan 2017

That man is terrifying. I hope Obama stays up all night freeing people from Donald's grip

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
48. He is terrifying
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 02:46 PM
Jan 2017

And his slouching shuffling orcs are too.

I can NOT imagine that Pres Obama isn't doing everything in his powers now and after the 20th.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
21. Agreed Steven
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:07 PM
Jan 2017

She should be viewed as a person who, by her own admission struggles with mental health issues.

Put aside her military related leaks there were thousands of diplomatic files released including communication by UN officials.

Her guilty plea and admission of guilt was a mitigating factor.

cstanleytech

(26,273 posts)
24. Oh I agree with you, I just dont agree with the people that thought Manning shouldnt have been
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:10 PM
Jan 2017

sentenced to any time at all with their theory that Manning had no option when the truth is Manning did have other options but chose not to pursue them much like Snowden.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
39. I agree
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:15 PM
Jan 2017

Manning needs mental health treatment and other medical care that the US Army is unable to provide.

mountain grammy

(26,605 posts)
11. While I've had problems with what Manning did
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:50 PM
Jan 2017

I completely agree with this action. Thank you, President Obama.

brooklynite

(94,452 posts)
20. "What's the Difference Between a Pardon and a Commutation?"
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:05 PM
Jan 2017
Slate (2000)

President Clinton has granted a spate of them recently, although not many by historical standards as this piece explains. So how do pardons and commutations differ? For that matter, how do they differ from clemency and amnesty?

President Clinton this month granted clemency to 62 people--clemency is the overall term for official forgiveness of a violation. Three of those people received commutations of their sentences. That is, they were released from prison where they were currently serving time. The rest received pardons, or forgiveness of their crimes after their sentence was served. Pardons come in two forms: full or conditional. A full pardon is a formal forgiveness by the government that restores certain liberties, such as the right to vote or own firearms. It does not imply innocence, nor does it expunge a criminal record. Nor can any fines that were imposed in sentencing be recouped. But it does make those pardoned feel better about themselves. A conditional pardon has some strings attached, such as serving a lesser punishment. A pardon can be granted in anticipation of conviction of any crimes, as in Gerald Ford's 1974 pardon of Richard Nixon. It can also be granted posthumously. Last year Clinton pardoned Henry Flipper, who died in 1940, a former slave who was the first black West Point graduate and who was dishonorably discharged for racial reasons. An amnesty is an official "forgetting" (the word has the same root as amnesia) of actions against the state by a class of people. An amnesty can come with certain requirements. For example, Ford made amnesty available to men who refused to serve in Vietnam, but required community service. But in 1977 Jimmy Carter proclaimed a blanket amnesty for them.

BumRushDaShow

(128,701 posts)
37. Yup
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 08:12 PM
Jan 2017

and I know DU was pissed about it given the whole Valerie Plame kerfuffle, and him not being frog-marched.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
26. Good! No telling what her life would be like under a Trump administration.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:15 PM
Jan 2017

Glad to see the POTUS has a larger heart than a lot of people that call themselves progressives.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
27. Color me surprised...
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:18 PM
Jan 2017

So now will Assange be a man of his word and turn himself over to authorities?

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
33. His supporters are already moving the goalposts
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 07:27 PM
Jan 2017

Look at the Wikileaks FB page and you'll see post after post similar to this:

"What he meant was if Manning were pardoned and since Manning wasn't pardoned but commuted he doesn't have to do it!"

Expect the coward Assange to follow suit very shortly.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
43. Well, the US doesn't want him.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:02 PM
Jan 2017

And he only has to hold out a few more years to dodge the rape charges.

So no.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
29. President Obama how can you realease Ms Manning and
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:27 PM
Jan 2017

not commute sentence of Gov.Don Siegelman or flat out pardon him ?..this is BS

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
30. CNN reporting that Assange tweeted four days ago that he would come to the US if Manning pardoned.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:31 PM
Jan 2017

Anyone else hearing this? Of course, who knows whether Assange will do as he indicated.

But an interesting part of the equation, no doubt.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
41. So, all of my friends in the military, mostly lifers, are super pissed off about this.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:57 PM
Jan 2017

I'm not sure exactly why, but several of them have posted at length about this on Facebook.

SteamAddict

(53 posts)
44. Because most lifers in the military are fascist?
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:15 PM
Jan 2017

Not trying to be a dick, but it is true. I didn't say all. I said most. They are by majority anti LGBTQ so the reactions of your "friends" is espected.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
46. I hope none of the Trump "open-carry" crazies search for her once she's out.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:29 PM
Jan 2017

Things have gotten so bad, that was my second thought.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
49. I wonder if the military pushed for this behind closed doors.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 02:50 PM
Jan 2017

So they don't have to pay for her reassignment surgery.

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