MSNBC: High-Level Source Says 'Entire Phone Call' Between Flynn and Russia Devoted to Sanctions

[DonViejo]

Source: Mediaite


by Justin Baragona | 12:27 pm, February 15th, 2017

This morning on MSNBC, Katy Tur reported that she had been in discussions with a “high-level source” who stated it was hard to accept former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn’s excuse that he couldn’t recall if he spoke about sanctions with the Russian ambassador.

Why is that? Because, as Tur noted, the source told her that one of the calls in December was almost entirely devoted to the sanctions that the Obama administration had just imposed on Russia.

“The questions are many,” Tur stated. “A number of them surround just how much of a conversation did General Flynn have about Russian sanctions with the Russian ambassador. How much could he have possibly forgotten?”

She continued, “I was speaking with a high-level source last night who said they just don’t understand how he could have forgotten the conversation because it was the subject of pretty much an entire phone call.”



Read more: http://www.mediaite.com/online/msnbc-high-level-source-says-entire-phone-call-between-flynn-and-russia-devoted-to-sanctions/

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[Achilleaze]

1. republican traitors must be investigated, prosecuted and punished

the republican cover up of their party's gross treason against the USA is the scandal of the freaking millennium.

[2naSalit]

4. +1

[Hekate]

5. +2

[tenorly]

8. + III

The Fifth Column: endangering societies since the dawn of civilization itself.

[dawn frenzy adams]

56. Damn!

That's a scary lot.

[Mendocino]

64. The guys in the white suits

forgot their pointy hats.

[cstanleytech]

9. Repugnant investigating Repugnant? Not going to happen or atleast not an honest investigation

run by any Repugnant or one where they have the majority vote on.
At most they will put on a show of investigating but they will find little to nothing to "justify" the investigation and you can also bet they will also use other tactics to stall the investigation so as to give most Repugnants that are under investigation time to destroy or bury anything truly incriminating.

[PSPS]

10. Sadly, stopping this is impossible under our current form of government.

The GOP controls every lever of power under our set of constitutional rules. Any remedy will have to be found elsewhere.

[NewJeffCT]

11. The courts are not controlled by the GOP

which is why we must stop Gorusch

[Hortensis]

34. Good start. You could point out that the vast majority of cases

never reach SCOTUS and are tried and appealed in the various jurisdictions at lower levels, complete with discovery, testimony, and so on. Anything to do with 45's administration will also include wall-to-wall press attendance.

Most of the inevitable appeals will end up in the Ninth Circuit Court, which just angered conservatives across the board by ruling to continue the block on the travel ban.

I also don't think we should assume Gorsuch would be corrupt. Like typical conservatives,he's certainly way too prone to kissing up and kicking down the socioeconomic ladder, but his reputation is not exactly sessions-ish.

In any case, given the people who apparently feel all that's left is to grab their knees, I thought this might be worth enlarging on.

[NewJeffCT]

45. Yes

Right now, the SCOTUS is 4-4, so any ties will be remanded back to the lower court verdict. With 16 of the past 24 years having a Democrat in the White House, almost every federal court either has majority Democratic appointees or is tied. And, that's despite Republicans doing their best to slow walk nominations under both Clinton and Obama.

[Hortensis]

47. Boy, my con friends would have to read that.

But then this whole thread would scare the bejesus out of them if they dared poke their heads out of the Daily Caller.

[MFM008]

2. Houston.......

we have a problem...........

[Plucketeer]

3. Worse than Flynn and his treasonous acts

are the "So-called" americans that think such stuff is the way for this nation to go.

[Dustlawyer]

42. The root of that is caused by the RW media propaganda.

If we would require truth in the news and not let them call their news "entertainment" as a Court of Appeals did when they overturned a judgement against Fox News for lying, we might get that group of people out of their fear and anger bubble of mis-information that they currently consume! The court of appeals said that Fox NEWS was entertainment and not news.

[Volaris]

58. They also told fox they could report falshoods as truth, and never have to admit so.

[TubbersUK]

6. K & R n/t

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

7. If they have the entire conversations recorded then I bet Flynn implicated Trump too

The shit is hitting the fan and it couldn't happen to a more deserving person, lol.

[cstanleytech]

12. I'll be honest I dont think Trump had anything to do with it but I wouldnt be surprised if someone

else "did" and by that I mean someone else in Congress and thats why they are stalling any investigation not because they are protecting Trump but because they are protecting themselves.
After all if it was only Trump they could easily remove him and put Pence in his place but if like I suspect its not Trump but rather some people higher up in Congress that have been dealing with Russia this entire time from things like helping Russia hack the DNC then they might very well be to scared to investigate or allow an investigation to take place since it could very well backfire and uncover their backroom dealings.

[meadowlander]

13. I don't think it's an either/or.

I can't believe that Flynn would be negotiating with the Russian ambassador on his own with no knowledge or instruction from anyone higher up in Trump's transition team.

I also think high level Republican members of congress are compromised as well as James Comey at the FBI and other key military and civilian positions.

Putin and the FSB have had 25 years to plan this and I'm sure their back up plans have back up plans.

[cstanleytech]

14. I can believe it, look at the shit the Repugnants have pulled over the decades.

They are more than willing to do things that are extremely illegal and it doesnt phase them one bit to collude with a foreign nation as long as they get what they want and if they wanted to win the Whitehouse bad enough they would collude with a foreign power like Reagan did to beat Carter.

[BumRushDaShow]

17. Ha!

That's right. And of all foreign powers.

[northoftheborder]

28. sorry - "phase" should be "faze"

[cstanleytech]

53. I blame googles auto correct :P lol

[BumRushDaShow]

16. "from things like helping Russia hack the DNC"

Ghouliani knows because he was so excited to brag about what he knew, for example -

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/28/giuliani_the_russians_have_hillary_clintons_emails_from_her_private_server.html

(and we all know about his giddy blabbing about the Wiener investigation and the fiasco that followed)

And note that he heads up a "Cyber Security" company too. It would be icing on a cake if someone in his company helped Flynn do the encryption on some of his communications.

[lagomorph777]

20. That makes no sense at all.

Trump has constantly extolled the virtues of Putin for 2 years; Putin returned the favor by stealing the election for him. Flynn was acting on Trump's orders.

[cstanleytech]

24. If the varies Repugnants in Congress like Mitch were not working to prevent an investigation

I would agree as they would probably be alot happier with Pence as President but the fact is they are working to prevent an investigation and I doubt its being done to protect Trump.

[watoos]

32. I agree with you

but I am not convinced that Pence is innocent. There has been such an effort put forth to make him out as the victim. What if an investigation implicates Pence? There goes their president, and Ryan, from what I've heard doesn't want to be a fill in president, he wants to run in 2020.

[cstanleytech]

37. I didnt say Pence was innocent I said I doubt Trump was involved with the call about the sanctions.

Mind you its possible Trump knew but due to the actions or I should say inaction of the Congressional Repugnants I lean more towards them being involved in this shit probably as part of a payment for services rendered to the Repugnants by Russia during the election.

[lagomorph777]

33. The part I disagree with is Trump's innocence. He ordered it for sure; all evidence points there.

[cstanleytech]

40. Its also possible hes just being played as a patsy so that the ones really at fault

can escape.

[lagomorph777]

41. It's not possible to be that stupid and be where he is.

Even if he's totally broke (which I believe), he is smart enough to trick people into lending him money (i.e. Putin) or working for him for free, and so on.

He has been so pro-Putin, at great cost to his reputation, he went to a lot of effort to incriminate himself; how could he not be Flynn's spymaster?

[cstanleytech]

44. Well if as I suspect he is suffering from Alzheimers then ya its possible that

hes being manipulated by someone involved in this, it would of course have to be someone whos had access to him for atleast since he started his campaign to win the Repugnant nomination so if there is ever an actual investigation I would look there and follow it back.
I will even wager you that if such an investigation were to happen that wasnt controlled by the Repugnants that we would find that it all points to some high level Congressional Repugnants being involved on this.

[lagomorph777]

46. I do believe House & Senate leadership are co-conspirators.

Not clear who is running the whole ring; maybe they are all direct-reports to Putin.

[JudyM]

26. They've got to have tRump, at a minimum. I hope there are backup copies of the recording!

[Nwgirl503]

51. I think they all knew

45 called out Russians to leak her lost emails. Ghouliani was downright giddy about the coming "surprise" and messed up his denials and couldn't keep his story straight. Roger Stone's tweet in August about Podesta and in October about Wikileaks re:clinton (no matter what Ass says, I will never believe the leaks didn't come from Russia).

They've all been in contact on some level for a long time. With how brazen 45 is, and how above the law he thinks he is, I have no doubt he was involved. Now if we can get the repugs to get their thumbs out of their asses, that'd be great.

[Skittles]

61. LOL

if Trump really had nothing to do with it, he would have fired Flynn immediately upon finding out

[MBS]

15. Agreed.n/t

[MADem]

59. I am SURE they have it recorded, and Trump and Pence have heard it by now.

And Pence is bullshit and Trump is rocked back on his heel spurs that kept him out of Vietnam. The so-called ruler is shitting bricks because he knows the transcript will get leaked if he doesn't dial this shit back, and it will make him look worse than he already does.

We have a 4th, unelected but co-equal branch of government--and that's the INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.

Who thought they'd be the ones saving our asses? They were always the ones creeping around and "doing shit."

But obviously, they care about the Constitution (and understand it) more than Lord Marmalade does.

[NCjack]

18. What to do to get the complete story? Maybe Republicans

have the right idea! Send Flynn to Gitmo. Let's see if water boarding restores his memory.

[Cognitive_Resonance]

19. Release the transcripts. nt

[JudyM]

29. This could easily be cause for another national march. We the people deserve to know just how

compromised our government is.

[NastyRiffraff]

21. Of course he didn't "forget"

How the hell do you forget a thing like that, even if every single one of your actions are treasonous. And yes, I "dare all it treason."

[Tommy_Carcetti]

22. The transcript of the call can be found here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028646581

[mr_lebowski]

60. Great work Tommy ... all the recs, AND you win the internets ... (n/t)

Actual, on edit, not n/t ...

I just wanted to say anytime I see the name 'Tommy' ... I think not of The Who ... but of The Replacements, and The Ramones ... and I miss Alex Chilton, and feel thankful for Paul Westerberg, and Tommy Stinson, who are still with us.

Just thought I'd share ...

[Tommy_Carcetti]

65. Thanks.

I wish I could say it was my actual name, but sadly I'll have to defer to the fictional mayor of Baltimore....

Your name evokes one of my favorite movies of all time.

[NCjack]

23. Just imagine Lt. Gen. (retired) Flynn soiling his pants when he learned that

the CIA spooks had recordings of both sides of the telcon. There could be a Russian contract on life to contain the damage to just what is in the telcon.

[safeinOhio]

25. MSNBC was talking about it and

trump was saying the general is such a good man and just a victim of fake news. Someone asked him, if it was fake news why did you fire him? no response.

[Angry Dragon]

31. That is like asking Trump the details of all of his ideas

HE HAS NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Phoenix61]

27. It seems like forever ago

But I recall hearing people on news shows talking about it not being a good idea for 45 to be so adversarial towards US Intel. Fortunately, for us he didn't take that advice. I think the repubs are pressuring 45 to dump Bannon and his minions and let Pence take over. I think if he doesn't do that they will turn on him.

[Angry Dragon]

30. Lock Him Up

[VMA131Marine]

35. I don't believe Flynn would have had such detailed conversations...

without Trump's knowledge. The Trump campaign was carrying Putin's water from the get go, including the only element of the GOP platform that they insisted on at the convention. I'm willing to bet that Trump didn't do anything after acting AG Yates reported there was potentially a problem because he was hoping it would just blow over. Trump is in this up to his neck.

[TNLib]

36. IC clearly wants to take 45 down

They should just release the phone calls to the press.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

39. tRump declared war on them early & gleefully shat on them in front of the wall of Hero Stars at CIA.

He's so stupid he has no clue what he's got himself into.

[Hortensis]

48. And if Duchess Kate announced she was pregant

again the same day? Remember how the press kicked aside the original stories of Russians under T's bed to cover his rallies?

Better to release evidence to the investigating committees, occasional leaks to the world, bit by bit, week by week, month after month, until no matter how hard they try trumpsters can't avoid knowing it's happening and so that no matter how hard the GOP leaders run they are never able to snatch the last bit, get off the wheel, and run bury it.

[TNLib]

52. I guess IC knows how to do it

But I'm worried because this nut job is in charge of the military and I'd hate to see us bogged down in some BS war.

[jeanmarc]

38. How long does it take to say Merry Christmas?

How long was this call? We need details and the transcript.

[Hortensis]

49. From my view, we mostly just WANT details and the transcript.

But then we always want everything--yesterday dammit!!, or we start throwing accusation tantrums at our own people while they're trying to do their jobs.

But knowledge is power--we don't want to give it to the GOP before it's time to trot it out, and time is a huge factor in everything.

I'm afraid this glut of news every day is only spoiling us into being more unrealistic than usual. It took almost exactly 2 years from the Watergate break-in to Nixon resignation and most of the first year had long periods of silence.

[WheelWalker]

43. This election will result in full employment for American lawyers.

[OnDoutside]

50. Surely this wasn't the first time they recorded a Flynn conversation with the Russian Ambassador ?

How many more, going back even before last summer ?

[Skittles]

54. well isn't that special

fucking LIARS

[Blue Idaho]

55. Who ordered Flynn to talk to his Russian contacts

about the sanctions? If he was a rogue acting alone Trump would have cut him lose a long time ago. This is all really about 45s money problems and Russian blackmail. We need to follow the money here...

[SHRED]

57. Logan Act violation!

[Kablooie]

62. NPR reported a high level source said it was only a few general comments.

And nothing was illegal was said.

Reporters had better check who their sources are.
Someone's soueces are lying.

[vlyons]

63. We had just better damn get busy

electing a new Congress in 2018, because this Congress isn't going to do squat. If Trump will still be in office 2 years from now, we'll need to take the House.

[mikelewis]

66. So... what was the Bribe for...

Obviously the removal of the sanctions was to be an act of gratitude... if not a completion of an exchange for services rendered. While the sanctions hadn't been imposed previously, this may have been the first of many payouts the Russian Federation expected for their support... But support for what? What did 45 get in exchange for billions in sanction relief? What did he originally promise, if anything, to get the Russian Federation into a position where they felt comfortable overtly conducting "covert" negotiations while simultaneously making those who participated in the process "open to blackmail"? Why go through all of this, if they got nothing for it? And if they did, other than the election (which our experts say wasn't stolen), what could possibly be worth... well, treason for lack of a better word?

I don't think the question should be... what did 45 know and when did he know it... he knew everything. The question should be... what was traded in this deal... What did 45 get that was worth all this cloak and dagger bullshit? Did the Russian Federation actually steal the election for him? Did they prove their effectiveness in the primary races? Did they assure him... even in spite of his own apparent disbelief that it couldn't be done... did they assure him they could hand him the election? Does that explain why he's so hot to investigate the election... because he knows it was rigged but doesn't know how? It's been said he's already running in the next campaign... his Tweets about Mark Cuban revealed that reality. Is he looking for the manner in which the Russians were able to manipulate our election so he doesn't have to go back to his Russian handlers for one more term? It could also be possible that he just got played... they could have been feeding him bullshit and he may actually believe they stole the election for him or at least tried to do it in some way that left a residue. After all the pundits came back the election wasn't stolen.... removing sanctions that didn't exist before wouldn't seem like that big of a deal to 45 so paying out quickly and quietly (and on a secure line!!!!) is a win win... "Get to pay off the Russians and give a great big "Fuck You" to Obama and Hilary." Who knows... I'm spit-balling... But anyway...

Michael Flynn did not act on his own merits. He did not guarantee the Russian Federation a lessening of the sanctions on his own. That is an absurd suggestion. So, he was speaking for 45. It appears they were recklessly seizing an opportunity to repay the Russian Federation as fast as humanly possible. If this was a ploy to get our enemies to back off so we could go beat up and or shake down our friends, ok... if this was some super duper plan to defeat the terrorist by teaming up with Vlad the Impaler, ok... if this was part of a plot from a movie 45 really liked and thought would be fun to do in real life, ok sure... I don't agree with any of that but stupid isn't always criminal... but if this was a bribe payout, I think the most pressing question needs to be, what the fuck did he get and what was he originally prepared to trade for it?

[starshine00]

67. yep thanks to Snowden we know they are netting everything

communications wise, so they know exactly what went down and when it went down and I am sure there is so, so much more that they are just waiting for the right time to reveal, they are picking them off one at a time right now.

[SunSeeker]

68. K & R for exposure.