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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 03:14 PM Feb 2017

County that shelled out tax rebates for creationist Ken Ham's Ark museum 'teetering on bankruptcy'

Source: RawStory



BRAD REED
27 FEB 2017 AT 13:44 ET

When Grant County, Kentucky decided to shell out as much as $18 million in tax incentives to creationist Ken Ham’s Ark Encounter museum, it made a bet that it was going to become a major tourist attraction.

Instead, as local news station WKYT reports, the Ark hasn’t brought in nearly as much money to the area’s economy as once projected, and the county itself is now “teetering on bankruptcy.”

“It’s been a great thing but it’s not brought us any money,” Grant County Judge-Executive Steve Wood said while taking a break during a recent budget meeting, according to WKYT.

Grant County faces a major budget shortfall that Wood has said might have to be solved through a combination of a 2% payroll tax and job cuts to the county’s workers.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/county-that-shelled-out-tax-rebates-for-creationist-ken-hams-ark-museum-teetering-on-bankruptcy/

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County that shelled out tax rebates for creationist Ken Ham's Ark museum 'teetering on bankruptcy' (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2017 OP
So essentially titaniumsalute Feb 2017 #1
only flood is red ink dembotoz Feb 2017 #2
Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Feb 2017 #23
LOVE it!!! calimary Feb 2017 #45
It's Gods Will NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #3
+1,000,000... n/t PoiBoy Feb 2017 #7
Help is on the way. Mendocino Feb 2017 #4
Let me guess. She'll be featured in the Whore of Babylon exhibit. calimary Feb 2017 #46
Sorry, for these folk Hillary owns that role. Of course. Hortensis Feb 2017 #68
I guess God has decided not to bless them. njhoneybadger Feb 2017 #5
If only someone had told them that mixing politics and religion was a bad idea... Aristus Feb 2017 #6
Guess it's time to install an emergency manager ToxMarz Feb 2017 #8
Why put the rip-story link... Just post the actual article link snooper2 Feb 2017 #9
Good plan!! Lay people off and then foist a TAX increase on others to pay for this religious nut job Bengus81 Feb 2017 #10
So there is retributiin f/ violating Establishment Clause... Panich52 Feb 2017 #11
I predicted 3 months ago that in 5 years... Javaman Feb 2017 #12
Actually... That would be the better idea! Chakaconcarne Feb 2017 #37
of course it would be. :) Waffles! Javaman Feb 2017 #38
Nope. concreteblue Feb 2017 #48
oh good one, better yet. Javaman Feb 2017 #69
teetering.... trusty elf Feb 2017 #13
Wondered what bankruptcy looked like visually,,,,, benld74 Feb 2017 #14
I love it! old guy Feb 2017 #16
I like the giraffes! (n/t) PJMcK Feb 2017 #22
Oh no! Poor giraffes! calimary Feb 2017 #49
idiots abound Angry Dragon Feb 2017 #15
Apparently they didn't read the part in the Bible where... Xolodno Feb 2017 #17
Or the parable of the rich young man. calimary Feb 2017 #47
While were at it... Xolodno Feb 2017 #54
EXCELLENT! That's my favorite - Matthew 25:35-40 or 45. calimary Feb 2017 #62
I think it was a reasonable assumption to make... brooklynite Feb 2017 #18
Apparently there were either not enough suckers... LiberalFighter Feb 2017 #33
It's not hard to separate zealots from their money erronis Feb 2017 #35
I think the big problem was that there wasn't anything else for people to do... brooklynite Feb 2017 #36
Except "Heritage USA" is in ruins. Archae Feb 2017 #39
Looks like a nice place for a family outing. Maybe get baptized while you're there. progressoid Feb 2017 #50
I used to watch PTL in its heyday hibbing Feb 2017 #53
Too big and too specific a sheep-shearing operation... JHB Feb 2017 #63
Why not send an invoice to the Almighty? Roland99 Feb 2017 #19
you get what you pay for Kimchijeon Feb 2017 #20
Are we learning now? Are we paying attention? hatrack Feb 2017 #21
I'd have thought dinosaur rides would be much more popular. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2017 #24
If it was just a dinosaur ride park, it might be... JHB Feb 2017 #67
stupid is as stupid does nt elmac Feb 2017 #25
You know what this means don't you? Lotusflower70 Feb 2017 #26
God. Has. Spoken. nt PsychoBabble Feb 2017 #27
Ark tax + plastic dinosaur tax should raise some money. yellowcanine Feb 2017 #28
Simple solution: Pray harder. dalton99a Feb 2017 #29
Ironic that his name is Ham whose son Canaan was cursed by Noah TexasProgresive Feb 2017 #30
The county is -- as we say -- "under water." Koinos Feb 2017 #31
"It's Been A Great Thing..." ProfessorGAC Feb 2017 #32
It's a miracle I tell you bucolic_frolic Feb 2017 #34
You know that the scam has failed when the final NCjack Feb 2017 #40
Just more proof that, though wing nuts are loud and shocking in their stupidity, there simply aren't Squinch Feb 2017 #41
"Its been a great thing but its not brought us any money." An idiot says what? Solly Mack Feb 2017 #42
They'd better start praying hard, I guess. MineralMan Feb 2017 #43
Maybe a theme part based on Lot and his Daughters would MineralMan Feb 2017 #44
How about Jephthah and his daughter? That would give them something to think about. eom Tanuki Feb 2017 #61
Yes. A good example. MineralMan Feb 2017 #65
You have to wonder.... blue sky at night Feb 2017 #51
Imagine that... Docreed2003 Feb 2017 #52
So they handed these nuts $62,000,000. 00 Scruffy1 Feb 2017 #55
Let them suffer a bit. Ilsa Feb 2017 #56
Why not make the access road a toll road? Fritz Walter Feb 2017 #57
Well the upside is that when climate change makes the seas rise to kentucky JDC Feb 2017 #58
But those dinosaur vs giants and humans were some of the best stories in the bible! Ligyron Feb 2017 #59
It's all those heathen libtards Turbineguy Feb 2017 #60
Good! local governments should not fund religious crazy ideas. kimbutgar Feb 2017 #64
Hope they don't get sick about it. They're dem4decades Feb 2017 #66

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
1. So essentially
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 03:17 PM
Feb 2017

County employees will be paying for the Ark Encounter. However, they will see it is a God's way of making them tithe more and they'll be fine with it of course.

ToxMarz

(2,166 posts)
8. Guess it's time to install an emergency manager
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 03:30 PM
Feb 2017

Time to poison their water, give away all their public lands and infrastructure, and close the schools. That'll fix it!

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
10. Good plan!! Lay people off and then foist a TAX increase on others to pay for this religious nut job
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 03:34 PM
Feb 2017

CON job. Coming next,a new "Flat Earth" museum complete with ships going over the edge! Sam Brownback of Kansas to do the dedication.

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
11. So there is retributiin f/ violating Establishment Clause...
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 03:36 PM
Feb 2017

Unfortunately, those who were against the offense are caught up in the punishment.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
17. Apparently they didn't read the part in the Bible where...
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 03:55 PM
Feb 2017

...Jesus whipped the bankers and money changers. Making a profit off of God is a no-no.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
47. Or the parable of the rich young man.
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 05:18 PM
Feb 2017

OR the Beatitudes. Nowhere in there does it say "Blessed are the rich, OR the CON artists."

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
54. While were at it...
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 05:53 PM
Feb 2017

...how about when Jesus said the woman who gave two pennies to the money box gave more than the two rich guys before her.

If "conservatives" actually read the book they profess to follow, there wouldn't be any more "conservatives". But they make Matthew 25:35-40 not prophetic, but real. Atheist's and Agnostics will end up in heaven before them....and the book Apocalypse of Peter infers the compassionate will get them out of their perdition.

Or how about Jesus being essentially a vagabond who lived off of handouts.

They don't believe in the very thing they say to preach.

*gets off soapbox*

calimary

(81,220 posts)
62. EXCELLENT! That's my favorite - Matthew 25:35-40 or 45.
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 08:04 PM
Feb 2017

"The least of these." These holier-than-thou phonies need to read their New Testament a wee bit more closely. And then look in the mirror, and read it aloud to themselves - WHILE they're looking in the mirror.

brooklynite

(94,513 posts)
18. I think it was a reasonable assumption to make...
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 03:59 PM
Feb 2017

However you felt about the Creation museum, the Ark encounter should have drawn in suckers from all over Christendom.

LiberalFighter

(50,905 posts)
33. Apparently there were either not enough suckers...
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 04:44 PM
Feb 2017

or there weren't enough suckers that had the money to go there.

erronis

(15,241 posts)
35. It's not hard to separate zealots from their money
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 04:51 PM
Feb 2017

Apparently the "reasoning" part of the brain is not well-connected to the idolatry part. Don't care if you're a supposed xian, a muslim, an irrational non-theist. Once the mouth starts spewing credo, the human consciousness shuts down.

Same pattern in gamblers and others that like to cheat. They "know" that they are alright, OK - that they can get away with the insanity. (I know for other reasons...)

brooklynite

(94,513 posts)
36. I think the big problem was that there wasn't anything else for people to do...
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 04:52 PM
Feb 2017

...at least Jim Bakker's "Heritage USA" had a water slide.

hibbing

(10,098 posts)
53. I used to watch PTL in its heyday
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 05:38 PM
Feb 2017

Purely for entertainment purposes, and entertaining it was. Tammy Faye with her two inches of makeup on balling her poor little eyes out every five minutes. It was all a matter of time before the whole thing collapsed.

Thanks for sharing the link, rather...sad.


Peace

JHB

(37,158 posts)
63. Too big and too specific a sheep-shearing operation...
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 08:05 PM
Feb 2017

Too much depended on the **ahem** faithful **ahem** going to the expense of traveling there to be fleeced. Even the blinkered have to decide if travel expenses are worth it, and even if they do they could easily just put it off until some "one of these days" in the future.

Too much overhead in one spot, and little opportunity for repeat business (how many could be expected to be so in love with creationist Disneyland that they see it again and again?).

The investors gambled and lost, but any government official who played that game with public money (dressed up as tax breaks) should be run into the ground politically, and prosecuted if applicable.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
67. If it was just a dinosaur ride park, it might be...
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 06:58 AM
Feb 2017

...but the very nature of the thing chops off potential visitors. The people who will dutifully sit through church on Sunday won't be too thrilled to do it with a wonder-wheel. And the people who take their Church seriously don't want a tilt-a-whirl inside it.

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
26. You know what this means don't you?
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 04:30 PM
Feb 2017

We are doomed. It's the end times. At least the people that were convinced President Obama was the anti-Christ would say that.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
30. Ironic that his name is Ham whose son Canaan was cursed by Noah
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 04:34 PM
Feb 2017

King James Bible Genesis 9:25
And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
32. "It's Been A Great Thing..."
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 04:41 PM
Feb 2017

Then what are you complaining about, Woody? You have a great thing going. Or, could it be that you don't really give a whit about that biblical nonsense but figured it was a way to pull in money by fleecing the masses?

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
40. You know that the scam has failed when the final
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 05:00 PM
Feb 2017

futile act is to sustain it with payroll taxes and tax incentives to operate. Time for the residents of Grant Co., KY to smarten up and stop the foolishness. Oh, and also run Ken Ham out of town on a dinosaur.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
41. Just more proof that, though wing nuts are loud and shocking in their stupidity, there simply aren't
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 05:04 PM
Feb 2017

that many of them.

Not even enough to keep a wing nut amusement park open.

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
42. "Its been a great thing but its not brought us any money." An idiot says what?
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 05:09 PM
Feb 2017
shell out as much as $18 million in tax incentives...made a bet that it was going to become a major tourist attraction.... county itself is now “teetering on bankruptcy.”

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
43. They'd better start praying hard, I guess.
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 05:09 PM
Feb 2017

They could ask Ken Ham to pray for them, too. That ought to do the trick, don't you think?

Still, if God sends down a flood, maybe Ham's Ark will be of some use, assuming it would float.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
44. Maybe a theme part based on Lot and his Daughters would
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 05:12 PM
Feb 2017

work better. PillarsofSaltLand, they could call it, with re-enactments of the whole thing. Pornish stuff does well in the Bible Belt, I hear.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
65. Yes. A good example.
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 08:52 PM
Feb 2017

In a patriarchal society, such a sacrifice might not have been extraordinary at that time. Look at the honor killings of daughters in some backwards Muslim cultures, even now. That story causes lots of dispute among biblical scholars. Did Jephthah really sacrifice his daughter as a burnt offering. Did that deity allow such a thing? Its a difficult question, indeed.

blue sky at night

(3,242 posts)
51. You have to wonder....
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 05:34 PM
Feb 2017

about people who live in K E N tucky....with the fucked up idiots they keep sending to Washington and all....just saying!

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
52. Imagine that...
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 05:35 PM
Feb 2017

You waste a boatload of money on an attraction that is based on folklore (until modern evangelicals began claiming the bible was literal that was what the Noah story was considered), you fill that attraction will absolute horseshit like the world is 6 thousand years old, and throw in a dose of absolute idiocy by putting dinosaurs into said attraction, and you're surprised no one wants to shell out money to come to BFE Kentucky to visit your bullshit attraction?? Amazing....amazingly stupid

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
55. So they handed these nuts $62,000,000. 00
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 05:54 PM
Feb 2017

This whole thing was always a shell game. If it fails, which is likely eventually, the county will still have to pay off the bonds. In the meantime it has to provide fire, police protection and of course infrastructure without getting a dime of property tax. This was besides the $18,000,000 the state handed to them. I'm going to Kentucky and build a Flying Spaghetti Monster Museum and Peep Show. I'll never have to work again. i wonder how much the judge charges who made the decision on the 18 million. I need to know so I can put it in my plan. Right know I'm assuming 10%, but they might be cheaper and more competitive in Kentucky. Fooling the locals is apparently no problem.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
56. Let them suffer a bit.
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 05:58 PM
Feb 2017

If you bail them out, they'll give all credit to god and start another goofy, expensive project.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
57. Why not make the access road a toll road?
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 06:09 PM
Feb 2017

Each pick-up truck, RV and horse-drawn carriage would be charged a few dollars going to and from the Ark.

Simple, huh?



Oh, wait...

JDC

(10,127 posts)
58. Well the upside is that when climate change makes the seas rise to kentucky
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 06:11 PM
Feb 2017

The folks in that town will be saved by the Ark. Until then, it is about to have the lights turned off.

Ligyron

(7,629 posts)
59. But those dinosaur vs giants and humans were some of the best stories in the bible!
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 06:12 PM
Feb 2017

So sad that flood killed Jebus tho'.

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