Udall floats plan to confirm Gorsuch, Garland to SCOTUS together
Source: CNN
Sen. Tom Udall has an idea that could place both Judge Neil Gorsuch and Judge Merrick Garland on the Supreme Court at the same time.
The Democrat from New Mexico presented the plan Monday morning to Gorsuch, President Donald Trump's nominee for the Supreme Court, as well as to Gorsuch's team of White House aides and former Sen. Kelly Ayotte, who's been attending Gorsuch's meetings with senators.
His proposal is for Trump to meet privately with Supreme Court justices who are interested in retirement. If one of those justices decided they would be willing to retire, and if Trump promises to nominate Garland, President Barack Obama's unconfirmed former SCOTUS pick, in their place, then the retiring justice would submit a letter of resignation contingent on that promise.
Then, both Garland and Gorsuch would be voted on simultaneously.
Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/politics/tom-udall-gorsuch-garland-scotus-plan/
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)yellowcanine
(35,693 posts)Or that Trump would keep his word. Too many moving pieces here.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)onenote
(42,531 posts)even if it was consistent with Senate rules, which I doubt.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)However, if we could convince the orange idiot ...it would help to keep the courts our of their hands for a year or so.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)buys a pony for the grand kid of each senator and House member?
To make a deal each side has to give the other side something more than they can just take on their own.
Trump is going to get Gorsuch confirmed.
If the Democratic senators want to get Garland confirmed, they would have to offer Trump an awful lot more than what he already has, which is the ability to get Gorsuch confirmed regardless of what the Democrats want.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)McConnell hates that idea.
onenote
(42,531 posts)if Garland is confirmed.
lastlib
(23,140 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I too call things 'stupid' without full and relevant knowledge. We're Americans... it's what we do.
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,916 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)The West Wing.
elleng
(130,714 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)than those two extraordinary minds who like and respected each other. But it would put mostly to rest the unresolved issue of the stolen nomination.
And it sounds like someone might need to retire over the next four years, thus protecting against getting another Scalia-type hard-right conservative, by definition lacking proper judicial temperament.
Why would McConnell agree, though?
CincyDem
(6,333 posts)pandr32
(11,548 posts)JudyM
(29,185 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,938 posts)groundloop
(11,513 posts)45* will promise the moon, then renege at the first chance. It's a fools folly to take that ratfucker's word for anything.
Old Vet
(2,001 posts)Because IMO Gorsuch is gonna be slammed thru at any cost...........
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)to rescind HB2. We saw what happened with that.
Likely you would swap Ginsburg for Garland. That moves the court to the right.
More likely Ginsburg will resign and the Republicans will renege. They know there is no consequences.
Best to pray for RBG's health.
Shell_Seas
(3,328 posts)that she has no plans on retiring soon. Clarence Thomas, however, has spoke about retirement.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)The Democrats have no power though so there is no way on the planet. Trump's going to put at two 40 somethings onto the Court that will be with us for the next 30-40 years.
paleotn
(17,876 posts)Hell, I don't even believe in prayer, but I'm taking no chances.
bucolic_frolic
(43,027 posts)F Garland is definitely confirmed. You get a court that's no more
right than when Scalia squatted there, and you get a middle age mainstream Justice.
It's an attempt to save one seat, presumable the older justices most of whom are libs.
Several could decide to retire.
Maybe he's trying to induce Trump to meddle with something unpopular with the public?
Or preserve what's left of the Constitution and the stolen seat.
stopbush
(24,392 posts)majority once again.
As the most-likely candidate for retirement is Ginsberg, I don't see the immediate advantage. Long term, it might work if it meant getting a younger liberal judge on the court before Ginsberg is forced to step down due to age, illness, etc.
After all, had Garland been confirmed, the court would have had a 5-4 liberal slant.
onenote
(42,531 posts)and if one of the members of the liberal wing resigns or dies after that, and Trump is still President, and the Democrats don't control the Senate, it will be a 6-3 conservative court.
This plan attempts to keep it at 5-4 rather than 6-3 for a longer period of time than might otherwise be the case.
That being said, I see no reason for the repubs to go along with it.
briv1016
(1,570 posts)Now there's your problem right there.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Shell_Seas
(3,328 posts)ToxMarz
(2,162 posts)They won't go for it if a conservative leaning judge would retire. And if they got an indication that a liberal (ie Ginsburg) was open to the idea, they would probably discount her pledge to stay as long as possible betting she will leave anyway and reject the idea in favor of the prospect to appoint two conservatives. I think the whole thing is a distraction from #resist and #indivisilbe by dangling rainbows and unicorns in front of hopeful liberals.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Season 5, episode 17:
http://westwing.wikia.com/wiki/The_Supremes
Republicans and Trump cannot be trusted to keep their word and not pull a fast. I wouldn't risk it.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)The right won't allow it, but it's a valiant effort.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)A well respected moderate who should have passed the confirmation with flying colors. Instead they spit in his face.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Garland was already a compromise who had been approved overwhelmingly in a bipartisan vote.
However, if you can get Gorusch for Thomas, I'd take Garland for Scalia.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)And here we go: offering to compromise with our compromise position.
It is no mystery why the Right keeps moving further right.
bucolic_frolic
(43,027 posts)are so last session of Congress
brooklynite
(94,302 posts)mopinko
(69,982 posts)wonder how many are realizing where this idea comes from.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)red dog 1
(27,757 posts)"Who put this pubic hair on my Coke?"
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)One problem: relying on Trump's word.
Not happening.
Rebl2
(13,447 posts)smoking? Since when can we trust anything Trump says or does or any repug for that matter.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)for Trump to nominate another right wing Judge and then have Two Justices to confirm,both being of the Right Wing ideology..
Dream On Senator Udall
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)I don't think so.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)You want Gorsuch ??
GIVE US OBAMA AT THE SAME TIME !!!!
lark
(23,059 posts)RBG is sick and would be most likely to leave. Garland is not the liberal lion she is, he seems quite corporate so we'd be doubly screwed. RBG needs to hang in there if she can!
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)instead of the liar in chief who screws everyone who has ever made any contract with him
Agent orange and the elephants will agree to this and then appoint a Scalia clone and vote to confirm 2 RW extremists.
I'm sure Ginsburg was hoping to retire soon but Thomas doesn't look too healthy or happy and may want out.
Retrograde
(10,128 posts)confirm Gardner, then hold hearings on Gorsuch and see if he's suitable for the highest bench.
One would think that by now Democrats in Congress (and everywhere else) have learned by now not to trust McConnell or Ryan to put country first, or to keep any promises.
Crash2Parties
(6,017 posts)This is similar to what happened in North Carolina over HB2 & Charlotte's local anti-discrimination ordinance. The GOP Legislature offered a deal- they'd repeal HB2 if Charlotte would repeal their anti-discrimination ordinance. The city did so, in good faith; the Legislature just laughed and said, "sucker"...
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)are u shitting me,,,,,,,,,, sorry his word is not his bond! I shan't trust him any farther than I can urinate on him!
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)He would do it for an RBG deal
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)Then I'm all for it. Otherwise, we can continue on with the 8 justices we have.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Fatemah2774
(245 posts)Thomas won't retire until Roe is overturned...no one else can be thinking of leaving except Breyer...and he realizes what that would mean...otherwise too many ways for that plan to backfire including getting Gorusch approved and without Garland getting approved...icky icky icky