Ryan: Number Who Will Lose Health Coverage Under Repeal Is 'Up To People'
Source: Talking Points Memo
By ESME CRIBB Published MARCH 12, 2017, 11:57 AM EDT
House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) said on Sunday that he can't say how many people will lose health coverage under the Republican bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act, as it's "up to people" to acquire coverage "if they want it."
"The one thing I'm certain will happen is CBO will say, well, gosh, not as many people will get coverage. You know why? Because this isn't a government mandate," Ryan told ABC's John Dickerson. "You get it if you want it. That's freedom."
"How many people are going to lose coverage?" Dickerson asked.
"I can't answer that question. It's up to people," Ryan said. "People are going to do what they want to do with their lives."
Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/paul-ryan-number-who-will-lose-coverage-up-to-people
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 12, 2017, 02:12 PM - Edit history (1)
janterry
(4,429 posts)little 'gotcha' smirk.
I don't know who he cares about - but it sure isn't his constituency.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)dalton99a
(81,065 posts)Freedom? Republicans love to FORCE Americans to shift money to the rich.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,276 posts)So if you want health insurance you get it because that's "freedom"? In other words you're free to pay whatever the insurance company charges, and you're also free to pay your mortgage and buy food and utilities and gas for your car, which might be more than you earn, but then you're free to choose which of those things not to pay for in order to have insurance, or else you could freely choose not to have insurance so you can freely choose to heat your house or feed your kids? Is that how "freedom" works?
I wish I were religious so I could have some reasonable assurance that Ryan might fry in Hell someday.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Phoenix61
(16,952 posts)But maybe roasted slowly on a turning spit. Frying seems too fast for that evil little jerk.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)It would be almost as satisfying as seeing Trump impeached.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)How many in office will sign up for this great plan, and give up their Cadillac insurance?? Ryan is bought and paid for by insurance companies. He met with them, before hawking his power point shitshow. We should DEMAND that the politicians HAVE to be offered the same choices as citizens. Ryan should remember his side kick, Eric Cantor. He was as arrogant as Ryan, and he lost his election. Would LOVE for this to happen to slimy Ryan.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Actually, W Buffet said that would quickly fix the system.
I always look up Ryan's opponents to see if there is anyone worth giving my peanuts to, but he has drawn the weakest ever. Add gerrymandering to that.... I saw this morning that Texas just got in trouble for gerrymandering. It is gerrymandered so bad that Austin elects Republicans. It was west Texas that was in trouble. God, that is one of the most conservative spots on the planet. I don't live in Texas thankfully, in over 30 years.
Obama and Eric Holder are going to focus enegy on the gerrymandering problem. Given their prior experience, if anyone can do anything, they can.
I can't even look at or hear Ryan, DT, or Turtleman.
For awhile, when Obama was in, the Repubs were saying throw out Obamacare, and we want the same insurance as Congress. How short their memories.
LakeArenal
(28,728 posts)The corporate "people" of Citizens United.
Ryan just had a town hall in his hometown that he did not attend. The "people" there wanted to talk about this very subject.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Wisconsin is doing away with gerrymandering districts, so maybe he will be out next time. People are finally seeing him for what he really is -bought and paid for.
Desert grandma
(802 posts)many people will lose coverage because THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT! Not because they don't want it. The lack of compassion amazes me. Joy Reid said yesterday that the Republican ideology is that healthy people should not have to pay for sick people. What the heck do those Ayn Rand morons on the right think insurance is????
WinkyDink
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mensch.
Faux pas
(14,582 posts)for a 'human' being.
Submariner
(12,485 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Paul Ryan is in over his head. He doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. "Up to people!" OMFG.
Krugman's take on Ryan: Trumpcare a Disaster Because Paul Ryan Just a Self-Promoter Who is In Above His Head
subterranean
(3,427 posts)will just go out and buy a $5,000-a-year insurance plan that they can't afford to use because it has a $10,000 deductible, right? And if they don't, well, that's because they didn't "want" it. (Maybe they decided it was more important to pay the heating bill or buy food for their families.) Meanwhile, Paul Ryan and other members of Congress will get a gold-plated plan paid for by we the taxpayers.
Blue Idaho
(4,988 posts)This is so Victorian... carving up those in need into the deserving and undeserving poor. Making it palatable to not care about those at the bottom. Just like Chaffetz's iPhone garbage. Blame the poor for being poor - in the world of Ayn Rand disciples (and how sad is that) we have the opposite of charitable thought. Instead of "feed the poor" we have feed the rich and fuck the rest.
After all - in the minds of the GOP the poor have no one to blame but themselves.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)The poor should have run for office, then taken bribes from all the lobbyists who take them out to eat. I want an investigation in to how these sob's all end up millionaires, or multi-millionaires when they are ready to retire, and STILL take a pension and healthcare from the real workers. Blood suckers, who have the GALL to denigrate anyone who finds themselves in a position to need food stamps, or welfare. Entitled creeps, who forget where they came from.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)The median net worth of a member of Congress was $1,029,505 in 2013 a 2.5 percent increase from 2012 compared with an average American households median net worth of $56,355. Once again, the majority of members of Congress are millionaires 271 of the 533 members currently in office, or 50.8 percent.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2015/01/one-member-of-congress-18-american-households-lawmakers-personal-finances-far-from-average/
LakeArenal
(28,728 posts)moms, meaning THEY HAVE CHILDREN A**Hole.
BarbaRosa
(2,684 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)You are free to get sick and die.
LakeArenal
(28,728 posts)JudyM
(29,122 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)"If those Lazy ass Poor People would quit buying food to eat they could buy some shitty Health Insurance!"
Dorn
(520 posts)As if people would rather buy phones then have health care.
LakeArenal
(28,728 posts)The absurdity. Poor with refrigerators, when they have nothing to put in it..
Blue Idaho
(4,988 posts)Even cheaper if I "settle" for last year's model. Someone explain to these snobs that it's pretty damn difficult to get and keep a job without a phone, a car, and a roof over your head.
Turbineguy
(37,206 posts)where the Captain said "Once I order 'abandon ship', I can leave. If people want to stay, they can stay!"
DallasNE
(7,392 posts)That seems to be all that the Republicans know. And it comes across like fingernails on a chalk board.
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Dorn
(520 posts)Can I do what I want with my life and not pay for all the wars ?
LuckyLib
(6,814 posts)Republican agenda items.
Welcome to DU!
progree
(10,864 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 12, 2017, 02:50 PM - Edit history (1)
Similary the ACA -- you pay a fine, but otherwise there is no other sanction. So either they both have mandates (because you are financially penalized for not having insurance), or they both don't. I just hate the double-talk:
"There's no mandate in our plan, you just pay a fine" (same as Obamacare actually but they call that a mandate, because, well, that's politics).
The current penalty for not having insurance either through Obamacare or an employer is $695 per adult and $347.50 per child, or 2.5% of total household adjusted gross income, whatevers larger.
For the median-earning household, that 2.5% fine is about $1,375. It is prorated, however. That is, if youre uncovered for half the year, the fine is half.
Under the House Republican plan, the insurer is allowed to charge a 30% surcharge, for 12 months, on those who signed up without demonstrating continuous coverage beforehand. The average premium of a so-called bronze plan under Obamacare runs to about $350 per month, or $4,200 a year. So thats a $1,260 surcharge to join late in the year before, say, a heart procedure.
Heres the apples-to-apples of skipping 10 months insurance (and for argument sake, were skipping the grace periods in both). Under Obamacare, its $1,845 (10 months of fine, two months of insurance) and under the Republican plan, its $1,960.
But skipping, say, 22 months of coverage, is where the Republican plan pays off $3,220 in fines plus cost of coverage for Obamacare, vs. $1,960 under the GOP plan. (Depends on your definition of "pays off", but that's a whole 'nuther 3 paragraphs -Progree)
More: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-economics-of-skipping-health-care-insurance-under-both-obamacare-and-the-republican-plan-2017-03-07
It says "the House Republican plan would deter hopping on and off insurance, since each time, the insurer gets a big one-time payment".
Ummm. On the other hand, Trumpcare is an incentive to go several years without coverage, since there is no extra penalty for being uncovered for a long time. Whereas the ACA, the penalty is proportional to the amount of time you are uncovered, and you pay it each year. I think the ACA is a more effective incentive that way.
LuckyLib
(6,814 posts)Yet another reason for single payer.
progree
(10,864 posts)(which in turn helps pay for the premium subsidies and the excess out-of-pocket cost subsidies, just to name two of the many benefits of the ACA -Progree)
Source: Trying to force a giraffe through a keyhole': An obscure Senate rule could kill the GOP's Obamacare replacement (The Byrd Rule), Business Insider, 3/10/17
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trying-force-giraffe-keyhole-obscure-154016346.html
By the way that article is a great read -- pretty much no way will the 30% penalty meet the Senate's Byrd Rule and so the AHCA won't qualify for reconciliation (where only a 50% majority is needed to pass it)
JDC
(10,081 posts)How many will lose coverage that do want it?
Ryan is trying to spin the loss of coverage to people choosing NOT to have coverage, and the media let's it go at face value.
Blue Idaho
(4,988 posts)It's part of the GOP platform...
Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)"gee poor people. you are free to be rich! you just CHOOSE to be poor!"
I'm not really a mean person but such crass, uncaring cruelty makes me want to just smack him upside the head with a cricket bat.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,276 posts)GOPers, especially those of the Ryan ilk, believe in the "free market" to the point of fanaticism. It's like a religion to them. They believe that every aspect of society should be subject to the "free market," and they believe this as absolutely as Christians believe in the Resurrection. The Resurrection can't be proved scientifically, but Christians believe it anyhow, as an article of faith. In fact, the fact that it can't be explained and that it happened only that one time sort of proves its miraculous nature, which in a rather circular manner supports that faith.
Likewise, Ryanites believe in the unprovable miracle of the free market. But while the Resurrection can't be proved, it hasn't ever actually been disproved either (although its extreme unlikelihood, given the basic rules of biology and physics, is certainly demonstrable). The claimed absolute perfection of free-market economics, in contrast, has been regularly disproved. Reagan's "trickle-down" economics doesn't work. We've seen proof of that over and over. For one thing, there's no such thing as a free market; the marketplace has rules that even Ryanites accept, such as the court system. Most federal litigation involves businesses vs. businesses in which a party is seeking, for example, to enforce or avoid a contract or protect intellectual property. The free market has its own acknowledged rules, so it's not really "free."
And some things can't be managed by a free market at all. No sane insurance executive would go into the business of insuring sick old people because it would be too expensive to provide coverage, and therefore nobody could afford to pay the premiums. This is precisely why we have Medicare. The alternative of just letting people go broke and/or die was, at least for some, completely unacceptable, but because this group of people is effectively uninsurable in a free insurance market, the government stepped in. The ACA was an attempt to remain within a free-ish market system (because it was politically impossible to get a far-superior single-payer system past the GOP) but still make insurance affordable for most people, using government subsidies.
There is simply no way for Ryan's free market to make affordable health insurance available to everyone who needs it. Insurance, by its very nature, is pure socialism: Everybody pays into a pool for the future possible needs of everyone, but some people will never need the benefits while others will. It is this very un-free-market nature of universal coverage that the Ryanites hate because it contradicts their deeply-held religious belief in the free market, which doesn't really exist. The cruel results of this rigid belief as applied to health insurance is unimportant because, like so many religions, adherence to the core belief is more important than anything else.
dalton99a
(81,065 posts)Beartracks
(12,761 posts)neeksgeek
(1,214 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,276 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)I got mine, fuck you
Solly Mack
(90,740 posts)Repeatedly.
TeamPooka
(24,155 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)completely misses the point that some people cannot afford things he himself takes for granted.
He's an appalling little lout who should not be Speaker.
gademocrat7
(10,623 posts)Lying Ryan is out of his element.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Cognitive_Resonance
(1,546 posts)Vinca
(50,170 posts)can buy Trumpcare for yourself. If you give up food for the family the wife can be covered. Sorry about the kids.
Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)Poor/Elderly/Disabled people have the "freedom" to just up and move to a state or another country with healthcare! Cool, nice to know. We all have the "freedom" to magically just afford rapacious garbage insurance and medical debt. Awesome!
Or I guess the "freedom" to suffer and die. 'Cuz that's all "up to people", we are full o' "freedoms!"
tblue37
(64,979 posts)A billionaire and a pauper have an equal right to choose to live under a bridge.
Now, that's "freedom"!
Beartracks
(12,761 posts)... if they want it. Cuz that's freedumb.
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Beartracks
(12,761 posts)still_one
(91,947 posts)Catholic"
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Javaman
(62,439 posts)emmadoggy
(2,142 posts)mdbl
(4,972 posts)That's right, if they are all millionaires. He's either very evil and greedy or very stupid and greedy.
RobinA
(9,878 posts)of equating the mandate with the lost coverage problem is either a sleight of hand on their part or they're just plain dumb. Sure, if you bought insurance only because of the mandate and there's no mandate you won't buy coverage, but those aren't the people being discussed when anybody non-Republican talks about people losing coverage. I think the Repubs are blowing the whole "mandate" issue waaaay out of proportion because it allows them to chant about "freedom" and ignore the "can't afford coverage" millions. Mandate = strawman the way they are using it.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)lives."
My hatred for this evil man knows no bounds. Nothing in "Game of Thrones" approaches what I'd like to see done to him.
(And that includes flaying, immolation, and death-by-canine.)
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)Vaccination requirements and school boards because 'freedom'
Am I free to not have to pick up a portion of the cost the next time an uninsured patriot breaks a leg or has a baby or needs an appendectomy and goes to a hospital in my home town?
Where's the freedom based remedy for that?
Up to some people, not THE people...