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TomCADem

(17,382 posts)
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 12:16 PM Mar 2017

Sanders: GOP healthcare proposal a 'absolute disaster' and a 'disgrace'

Source: The Hill

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Sunday slammed the proposed GOP healthcare plan as an "absolute disaster” and a "disgrace."

“It is an absolute disaster. It is a disgrace. And by the way, this really has nothing to do with healthcare,” Sanders told CBS News’s “Face the Nation.”

“What this has everything to do with is a massive shift of wealth from working people and middle-income people to the very richest people in this country.”

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“In my view, what the American people want is an improvement on ObamaCare, not the decimation of ObamaCare and throwing so many people off of health insurance and raising premiums substantially.”

Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-a-place-of-need-an-unhealthy-contradiction/ar-AAo9lqt

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Sanders: GOP healthcare proposal a 'absolute disaster' and a 'disgrace' (Original Post) TomCADem Mar 2017 OP
It is an outright scam. dalton99a Mar 2017 #1
Thank God for Bernie Sanders FakeNoose Mar 2017 #2
Corey Booker was on CNN about 2 hours earlier and said the same thing. Thank God for Booker. George II Mar 2017 #5
Excellent sheshe2 Mar 2017 #12
good for you for pointing that out LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #23
Anything to oblige. Need to borrow $5? George II Mar 2017 #25
LOL, thanks for the comic Ned Flanders Mar 2017 #28
+1000 PotatoChip Mar 2017 #18
+1M. It's great that his voice of reason and anti-corruption is now getting airtime. JudyM Mar 2017 #19
Amen! QC Mar 2017 #20
True. It's sad that many ignore the several Senators who have come out similarly all week. George II Mar 2017 #26
I wish he'd added that it is also a direct attack on MEDICARE pnwmom Mar 2017 #3
Medicare is not an "entitlement" FakeNoose Mar 2017 #7
Wrong. It most certainly is an entitlement -- we are ENTITLED TO IT. pnwmom Mar 2017 #9
It's not a freebie handout from the government FakeNoose Mar 2017 #13
Of course an entitlement is not a freebie. That is the point. But Medicare IS on the chopping block. pnwmom Mar 2017 #15
You can say the same for Medicaid and Soc. Sec. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #29
Yep you are right Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #27
Exactly Scarsdale Mar 2017 #8
The word disgrace is synonymous with Trump Administration LakeArenal Mar 2017 #4
. George II Mar 2017 #6
Past time Scarsdale Mar 2017 #10
Don't know what you're talking about. George II Mar 2017 #11
Britain Scarsdale Mar 2017 #14
Right, it's the only rational way to go. elleng Mar 2017 #17
Thanks Bernie for shining the light on the shift in wealth to the rich. jalan48 Mar 2017 #16
Yes, and this repeal attempt will hurt them PatrickforO Mar 2017 #21
In one word, deplorable. nt FigTree Mar 2017 #22
Thank you once again, Bernie. democrank Mar 2017 #24

FakeNoose

(32,595 posts)
2. Thank God for Bernie Sanders
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 12:29 PM
Mar 2017

He's a Statesman not a Politician.
Brass Balls and no fucks to give. Love the guy!


 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
28. LOL, thanks for the comic
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 04:18 PM
Mar 2017

They just have to say something to shoot him down. Knee-jerk reaction. And they don't even see it in themselves.

pnwmom

(108,958 posts)
3. I wish he'd added that it is also a direct attack on MEDICARE
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 12:33 PM
Mar 2017

and Medicaid, both of which the GOP had targeted pre-Obamacare.

Repealing Obamacare eliminates the Medicaid expansion and the new taxes on the wealthy that were put in place to shore up Medicare.

Their goal has always been to eliminate Medicare, and without these taxes they will say that Medicare is failing.

FakeNoose

(32,595 posts)
7. Medicare is not an "entitlement"
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 12:44 PM
Mar 2017

I agree that Trump will wipe out Medicaid as soon as possible. It was one of his campaign promises.

However he can't touch Medicare, we've paid for that with our taxes.
I'm about to retire (next month) and I've got 40 years paid into the Medicare fund and Social Security.

If Trump or Ryan try doing anything to those funds, they'll be strung up.

pnwmom

(108,958 posts)
9. Wrong. It most certainly is an entitlement -- we are ENTITLED TO IT.
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 12:49 PM
Mar 2017

They have turned entitlement into a dirty word, but we shouldn't be accepting that.

And sadly, you are wrong if you think they can't touch it. That is a primary goal here. Obamacare contains tax monies that were approved to help pay for Medicare, because the taxes we had been paying weren't enough. The repeal removes the new tax.

Everyone needs to understand this. Getting rid of Medicare is an end goal here. Seniors aren't as protected as they think -- and should be FIGHTING LIKE HELL, not feeling complacent under the misguided idea this won't affect them.

The AARP understands this. So should every older person.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/11/15/paul-ryans-plan-to-phase-out-medicare-is-just-what-democrats-need/?utm_term=.e92104d8ea38

I’m speaking of Paul Ryan’s wish to privatize Medicare, or phase it out, depending on how you want to look at it. In an interview last week with Fox News, Ryan made clear that as part of the legislative bacchanal Republicans have planned for Trump’s first months in office, he plans to begin the Medicare phaseout he has long advocated. He seems to want to package it together with the repeal of the Affordable Care Act: “Well, you have to remember, when Obamacare became Obamacare, Obamacare rewrote Medicare, rewrote Medicaid. If you are going to repeal and replace Obamacare, you have to address those issues as well,” he said. “What people don’t realize is because of Obamacare, Medicare is going broke.”

As part of his strategy, Ryan must convince people that Medicare is all but dead already, so we don’t actually lose much by putting it out of its misery. That’s why he says things like, “Because of Obamacare, Medicare is going broke.” This is not just a lie but the precise opposite of the truth, and Ryan knows full well it is; in fact, the ACA extended the solvency of the Medicare trust fund by over a decade. And be warned: Any time you hear Republicans say the phrase “entitlement reform,” understand that phasing out Medicare is what they’re talking about.

FakeNoose

(32,595 posts)
13. It's not a freebie handout from the government
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 01:07 PM
Mar 2017

That's how the GOP treats it.

Yes we're entitled to the benefits we've paid for, it's a social contract.
The GOP acts like we're freeloaders though.

pnwmom

(108,958 posts)
15. Of course an entitlement is not a freebie. That is the point. But Medicare IS on the chopping block.
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 01:14 PM
Mar 2017

No one who's counting on Medicare should be complacent. Repealing Obamacare IS an attack on Medicare solvency and a primary goal is to phase-out Medicare.

We must fight that and not assume we are safe. They couldn't care less about the "social contract."

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
29. You can say the same for Medicaid and Soc. Sec.
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 11:42 PM
Mar 2017

All through our working lives, we pay for these services, with every paycheck. We all contribute. And for those who are unable to pay into the system, we pay for them, too. When we all chip in for our fair share, there's more than enough to go around.

Kimchijeon

(1,606 posts)
27. Yep you are right
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 03:56 PM
Mar 2017

Maybe they figure the elderly will just die out, and the disabled/poor/working class just won't have the wherewithal to do anything either.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
8. Exactly
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 12:46 PM
Mar 2017

How many of THEM have signed up for this crappy medical coverage? Not a one, I would bet. They should be asked that "Will you enroll your family in this plan?"

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
10. Past time
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 12:49 PM
Mar 2017

for universal healthcare. To HELL with the insurance companies, and their bought and paid for politicians. We should DEMAND what other countries have, a universal health plan. Ryan met with the lobbyists for insurance companies, right before he rolled up his sleeves and put on his ACT.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
14. Britain
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 01:10 PM
Mar 2017

I was born and raised in the UK. Still have family there. They are shocked at what passes for healthcare in this country, where people die for lack of insurance. My son could not afford the $500 monthly fee when he was laid off. He gambled that he would be called back to work, and his health plan re-instated. He was not, he DIED. I begged him to go to a clinic and he said "They will send me for all kinds of tests, and I will be in debt for the rest of my life" True story. Shortly before that I had an MRI and the bill was $8,000. Fortunately I had Medicare and a supplemental insurance. Greatest healthcare in the world? Yes, if you can afford to pay for it. My family in the UK gets excellent healthcare, and do not have to worry about bills.

elleng

(130,740 posts)
17. Right, it's the only rational way to go.
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 01:40 PM
Mar 2017

DAMNED if I want to perpetuate we the people, including my children and grandchildren, paying f*ing insurance companies, an unnecessary middle-entity, for interfering with our ability to obtain healthCARE.

jalan48

(13,842 posts)
16. Thanks Bernie for shining the light on the shift in wealth to the rich.
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 01:20 PM
Mar 2017

That's what this is all about in the end. Those who have done well, (and in some cases become obscenely rich) not wanting to pay the taxes necessary to make the system function for everyone.

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
21. Yes, and this repeal attempt will hurt them
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 03:13 PM
Mar 2017

bigtime. Especially if they succeed and it is signed into law, we're looking at massive voter uprisings, now in the form of demonstrations, and in 2018 in the voting booth.

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