A Texas Woman Voted Like a U.S. Citizen. Only She Wasnt
Source: New York Times
When Rosa Maria Ortega was a teenager, her mother was deported to her native Mexico after being arrested twice.
As she grew up, Ms. Ortega decided to take a different route. Lacking a high school diploma, she signed up for the Job Corps at age 18 and snagged a position at a state employment office.
In 2012, she registered to vote, and not only cast ballots in the next two elections but served as a poll worker. Divorced, she raised four children, now teenagers, sometimes working three jobs.
When my mom was here, she did everything illegal, Ms. Ortega, 37, said in an interview. I wasnt going to let that happen to me.
Attorney General Ken Paxton, a Republican who brought the fraud charges, has applauded Ms. Ortegas sentence, saying that it shows how serious Texas is about keeping its elections secure. Ms. Ortega said she had voted for Mr. Paxton as well as Mitt Romney, President Barack Obamas Republican rival in 2012, after being persuaded by the conservative father of her fiancé, Oscar Sherman.
She may not have a choice. Ms. Ortega, of Grand Prairie, Tex., a suburb between Dallas and Fort Worth, is a permanent resident with a green card, but she is not an American citizen. In a case that made national headlines last month, she was found guilty, fined $5,000 and sentenced to eight years in prison because the ballots she cast in 2012 and 2014 were illegal. While green-card holders have many of the rights of citizens, they cannot vote.
If the verdict is upheld, she will serve her sentence and, in all likelihood, be deported to Mexico. For green-card holders, a criminal conviction is effectively a ticket for deportation.
Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-texas-woman-%e2%80%98voted-like-a-us-citizen%e2%80%99-only-she-wasn%e2%80%99t/ar-BBylpiO
sentenced to eight years in prison because the ballots she cast in 2012 and 2014 were illegal.
TexasTowelie
(112,111 posts)At least one story on this topic was locked in LBN.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141709019
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,184 posts)Rather than penalizing her, they should realize what this country means to her and expedite her becoming a citizen! It's the right thing to do...
progree
(10,901 posts)But that option may be closing. On Friday, the Tarrant County criminal district attorney, Sharen Wilson, a Republican who has worked with Mr. Paxtons office on Ms. Ortegas prosecution, notified defense lawyers of a meeting on the misdemeanor charge of falsely filing a registration application. A decision to prosecute her on that charge could complicate any effort to avoid her deportation, another of Ms. Ortegas lawyers, Clark Birdsall, said.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)They sent her kids to an ex-husband who doesn't even want the children!
Deplorable how severe the punishment, how heartless Republicans are to make an example of her.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)the woman who killed my daughter got 4 years. hard to call this justice.
global1
(25,241 posts)she registered to vote. Shouldn't she have been stopped then before she voted? Who let her get registered? Shouldn't that person be in trouble?
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Texas only looks askance at Democratic voters.
progree
(10,901 posts)When her registration was rejected, she called elections officials, telling them that she had voted in Dallas. Told that people who checked the noncitizen box were ineligible to vote, she reapplied, this time indicating that she was a citizen. An elections worker who remembered her earlier comment about voting in Dallas became suspicious, and forwarded the application to the authorities.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)She was told non-citizens can't vote. She then re-applied claiming to be a citizen. Seems clear to me.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)4 American kids, came here as a kid herself.
The law is bad, and Republicans attacking green card holders like this poor woman is heartless and cruel.
Fuck those Republican Nazis!!
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)citood
(550 posts)This is being fought over in KS right now...and will certainly be used by Kobach as an example that supports his cause.
Igel
(35,300 posts)The only way they'd know she was a green-card holder was if they ran her name/address against the ICE database if they'd asked to see her birth-certificate-based ID.
The first is illegal, the second wasn't in place at the time and generally considered semi-fascist. That leaves checking against the DMV database, something many DUers rail against (and which, in any event, is a flawed process because of reasonable differences in how names and addresses are encoded).
I'm assuming she just filled out the voter registration card and turned it in.
Now, Texas has motor-voter. When I got my license in Texas the guy ahead of me was Latino and opted to speak Spanish with the Latino DMV clerk. When he got his license, she asked if he wanted to register to vote and as he walked he laughed and said he wasn't in the country legally. She responded that didn't matter, who'd know? So that's another way she could have gotten registered without anybody actually confirming her status.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)She then voted in several elections, moved and tried to register again. This time she checked that she wasn't a citizen.
waltben
(31 posts)Turbineguy
(37,317 posts)in California. Well, fantasy voters anyway.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)to stop all undocumented from voting, regardless who they are voting for, in their continuing justification for voter suppression laws.
I hate them.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)logosoco
(3,208 posts)This woman gets how important it is.
But this sentence is insane!
Also, shouldn't we be hearing MORE stories like this, considering the "2-3 MILLION" folks who voted illegally for Hillary!!
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)In her case it seems particularly ironic that the guy she (illegally) voted for wants to put her in prison for 8 years for (illegally) voting.
paleotn
(17,911 posts)Romeny and shit stain, if this anecdotal story translates to the rest of the mythical mass of illegal voters. Thus, Obama and Clinton actually won by a larger margins, counting only legitimate votes.
unblock
(52,196 posts)There's no need or point in making voters criminal liable for knowing if they're eligible to vote or even if they're citizens. This are things that can and should be determined by appropriately trained bureaucrats who are trained to know details like residency requirements, id requirements, disenfranchisement laws, etc.
In this case the voter is not clean in that she lied about being a citizen but ffs, just make people produce documentation and reject them if they can't.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)I registered by mailing in my form. Whom exactly am I supposed to produce documentation too? And what documentation? You do realize this would be even more difficult than voter ID laws where you are just suppose to show an ID at the poll? Some people don't have IDs, what proof do you think they have they are citizens?
I am sure that's what republicans would want, though.
unblock
(52,196 posts)Maybe I'm wrong, but citizenship seems easier to document than identification and residency.
Naturalized citizens are by definition in the system and given documention, natural born citizens can get birth certificates, though I suppose there's an expense for that.
Just seems to me that the downside of checking dicumentation is less onerous and less of a deterrent to voting than the threat of prison.
It's clear that in this case the voter lied, so certainly not the best example, but another voter might have simply not known the requirements, some of which are subtle and republicans keep changing them....
LisaL
(44,973 posts)You don't think it would make it so much harder to register? You don't have to know the requirements, you just have to be honest. There is box on the form asking her if she was a citizen. Why did she check that she was if she wasn't?
unblock
(52,196 posts)For something that could result from ignorance.
This particular voter certainly seems not to have been ignorant, but it could happen to others, and the threat is problematic.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)On the first one, she indicated that she was a citizen and voted. After she moved, she filled out another voter registration in her new county, but checked the box that said she was a non-citizen. Her application was rejected. She called the local office, was told non-citizens could not vote, and filed a new app saying she was a citizen, which was registered per law. Then she voted again.
This was an outright case of voter fraud without the possibility of confusion on her part, and she received the heavy sentence (which is too harsh, IMO) because of it.
The law does not allow the voter registrars to check citizenship. They have to take the would-be voter's word for it.
She certainly knew she wasn't a citizen.
unblock
(52,196 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)We already have republicans doing that.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Kansas, Arizona and I think one other state wanted to check citizenship as part of the voter registration process, and the legal outcome is that states are not allowed to do so.
The Democrats were working hard to get that outcome. So I doubt you are going to get a positive reception on this board by claiming that people shouldn't be able to register to vote without showing documents proving that they are US citizens.
The legal status currently is that states may only check citizenship for state and local elections registrations since Congress has in effect taken over voter registration. But of course voter registration is voter registration, so it is not allowed to check citizenship in order to register to vote by a matter of federal law.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:57 AM - Edit history (1)
If they were actually interested in the integrity of their registration lists they would join ERIC. Instead, like FL and so many other states, they are more interested in disenfranchising than integrity. You can't purge willy nilly if you have effective checks in place.
http://www.ericstates.org/whoweare
You also can"t engage in this type voter registration outreach:
https://www.sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/2013-ERIC-Voter-Registration-in-Washington-State-FINAL-3-20-2014.pdf
Only 16 states participate in ERIC. If all of them did the system would develop into something that could put almost all of the suspicions -- founded and unfounded -- to rest
How about imposing severe penalties on a state for each eligible voters purged, or otherwise denied the right to vote by the standard process? (I.e., anyone denied their right entirely, or wrongfully forced to cast a provisional ballot.)
Most types of fraud committed to obtain public benefits are subject repayment and community service. Such offenses may also be subject to other misdeamenor penalties. Commiting fraud to vote could be considered a similar crime "against the state" and could reasonably be subject to similar penalties. For example, as far as I can tell from a quick reading, even draconian FL imposes relatively reasonable penalties for public benefit fraud. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0400-0499/0414/Sections/0414.39.html
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unblock
(52,196 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)because of bad advice from the IRS, you're still held liable for it. It's everyone's responsibility to know and follow the law.
If an office worker lets something by that shouldn't have gone past them, well, it's shouldn't have gotten to his or her desk in the first place.
unblock
(52,196 posts)In fact the IRS does check certain things like math and that your 1040 matches your w-2. Generally you just pay a late fee if you got it wrong and owe more money. You're not really likely to risk prison unless the mistakes are convincingly intentional, like actually altering your w-2.
But the IRS couldn't possibly check everything. For instance, barter income is taxable and how could they know you mowed your neighbors lawn in exchange for them watching your dog during your vacation.
The citizenship question ought to be much easier to solve while keeping it simple to fulfill the requirements, i.e., free and convenient for voters.
I recognize that proving residency can be a challenge, e.g., a long-term houseguest (such as an elderly parent) whose name isn't on any utilities, or the homeless.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)What a waste of money.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)I still wonder how she registered to vote.