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Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 09:56 AM Mar 2017

Donald Trump printed out made-up 300bn Nato invoice and handed it to Angela Merkel

Source: Independent (UK)

President estimated Germany’s under-spend on alliance over the past 12 years, then added interest.

The controversial President is said to have had an 'invoice' printed out outlining the sum estimated by his aides as covering Germany's unpaid contributions for defence. Said to be presented during private talks in Washington, the move has been met with criticism from German and Nato officials.

While the figure presented to the Germans was not revealed by either side, Nato countries pledged in 2014 to spend two per cent of their GDP on defence, something only a handful of nations – including the UK, Greece, Poland and Estonia – currently do. But the bill has been backdated even further to 2002, the year Mrs Merkel’s predecessor, Gerhard Schröder, pledged to spend more on defence.

Mr Trump reportedly instructed aides to calculate how much German spending fell below two per cent over the past 12 years, then added interest. Estimates suggest the total came to £300bn, with official figures citing the shortfall to be around £250bn, and with £50bn in interest added on.

The Times quoted a German government minister as saying the move was “outrageous”. The unnamed minister said: “The concept behind putting out such demands is to intimidate the other side, but the chancellor took it calmly and will not respond to such provocations.” And the paper quoted a source close to Mrs Merkel saying she has “ignored the provocation”.

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-angela-merkel-nato-bill-defence-ignore-usa-germany-spending-a7650636.html

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Donald Trump printed out made-up 300bn Nato invoice and handed it to Angela Merkel (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Mar 2017 OP
Merkel must've given him PTSD flashbacks to those 3 debates with Hillary Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #1
trump seemed really pissed off when Merkel told him, all Nato country treaties are done & current. Sunlei Mar 2017 #15
I would cross out the $300billion and give a buck HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #2
Or send a rent due for the US based in Germany. mwooldri Mar 2017 #22
Awesome. I wonder how far we are behind in rent payments to Germany. DK504 Mar 2017 #30
And he expected her to whip out the national checkbook and write him the full amount? no_hypocrisy Mar 2017 #3
Yea, but he is the one that looked horrible and humiliating.. LakeArenal Mar 2017 #17
No country owes the US anything for NATO. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #27
K&R Hugin Mar 2017 #4
And the Great Intimidator made her shake in fear dalton99a Mar 2017 #5
tRump Scarsdale Mar 2017 #33
What a putz. C_U_L8R Mar 2017 #6
About it. Hortensis Mar 2017 #36
Oh the irony! Deadbeat Trump fabricating & handing out invoices. Snarkoleptic Mar 2017 #7
Not to mention his 6 bankruptcies !!!! groundloop Mar 2017 #9
Then we need too immediately slash OUR budget DOWN to that 2% figure, pnwmom Mar 2017 #8
ABSOLUTELY!!!! Think of what a 43% slash in military spending would pay for- SCHOOLS, HEALTHCARE.... groundloop Mar 2017 #12
You can't do that Victor_c3 Mar 2017 #35
To the fruit cake orange hair bunch in the White House this is what NATO paid for turbinetree Mar 2017 #10
Mail him a check for 13 cents--he cashes those! Bengus81 Mar 2017 #11
LOL! nt chowder66 Mar 2017 #43
no wonder all our American ally countries aren't as comfortable with USA anymore. Sunlei Mar 2017 #13
Word leaders aren't sure who they're supposed to meet with anymore Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #18
kind of like having a kid president and no one, not even Republican adults will supervise the kid. Sunlei Mar 2017 #19
this is something only an immature inexperienced adolecent bully would do if he were president BREMPRO Mar 2017 #44
That's why Republicans love Trumps folly-as a 'wall' between Americans & OUR government servants. Sunlei Mar 2017 #46
after 9/11,was our NATO partners who 100% stood with America & gave their lives in wars WE started. Sunlei Mar 2017 #14
Dump is an expert in ignoring invoices presented to him... LakeArenal Mar 2017 #16
I think the Europeans realize that Trump + Deplorables Mr. Ected Mar 2017 #20
What nerve. Drumpf stiffs people every chance he gets judesedit Mar 2017 #21
Oh. My. God. NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #23
Trump's history of being anti NATO and pro Putin is out there Botany Mar 2017 #24
good point barbtries Mar 2017 #26
Trump stole the last funds from widows of the Iraqi war w/his Trump U. scam. Botany Mar 2017 #31
Never understood why the Republican party, 100% backed such a scammer. Sunlei Mar 2017 #48
"Never understood why the Republican party, 100% backed such a scammer." Botany Mar 2017 #50
Manafort. And the Republicans primary did have russian help piling shit on Hillary Campaign. Sunlei Mar 2017 #53
net 30, barbtries Mar 2017 #25
Please say this can't be true. Christ on a trailer hitch. Nt Hekate Mar 2017 #28
Does SCROTUS not understand how NATO actually operates? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #29
Merkel said it herself at White House to reporters "Our agreement /w NATO moves toward 2% of GDP" Sunlei Mar 2017 #51
What a disaster he is. xxqqqzme Mar 2017 #32
I picture 45 and his cabal standing around the admin at the keyboard creating the faux invoice SticksnStones Mar 2017 #34
No, You're entirely wrong! Fritz Walter Mar 2017 #40
I stand corrected SticksnStones Mar 2017 #42
Editorial cartoon of that scene to follow Fritz Walter Mar 2017 #55
Honest to god, today I did both. SticksnStones Mar 2017 #56
OPEN APOLOGY TO THE WORLD Moostache Mar 2017 #37
Co-signing.... C_U_L8R Mar 2017 #38
So true FakeNoose Mar 2017 #52
why doesn't drumpf demand trillions... joe_stampingbull Mar 2017 #39
She should have looked him straight in the eye NickB79 Mar 2017 #41
On the plus side Trump didn't grab Merkel by the pussy rurallib Mar 2017 #45
+1 Best response yet... Mrs. Overall Mar 2017 #47
Did she fold it into five sharp points and hand it back? davsand Mar 2017 #49
In the process transferring the Turbineguy Mar 2017 #54
45 didn't emotionally develop beyond age 12. Flaleftist Mar 2017 #57
Don't doubt it, but, why is this news weeks late? lindysalsagal Mar 2017 #58
They should pay in crates full of monopoly money Oneironaut Mar 2017 #59
WH aide says story of Trump handing Merkel a $300b check for NATO dues is not true riversedge Mar 2017 #60
That's a lie. They lie about everything. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #61
Putin's puppet Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2017 #62
 

Jonny Appleseed

(960 posts)
1. Merkel must've given him PTSD flashbacks to those 3 debates with Hillary
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:00 AM
Mar 2017

Classy move tho. If I was her I would have levied a tax on all German exports to America that over 12 years equals £350bn (added the £50bn every 12 years as interest).

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
15. trump seemed really pissed off when Merkel told him, all Nato country treaties are done & current.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 11:01 AM
Mar 2017

He was also pissed off when she told him, as far as Germany trade deals America must meet with EU experts for any trade contracts. They work with European Union for trade deals.

"UNION" get it, Mr. Trump?

un·ion


/ˈyo͞onyən/


noun

noun: union; plural noun: unions; noun: Union
1. the action or fact of joining or being joined, especially in a political context.
"he was opposed to closer political or economic union with Europe"


DK504

(3,847 posts)
30. Awesome. I wonder how far we are behind in rent payments to Germany.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 12:00 PM
Mar 2017

This man is obvious ignorance and decent into a dark hole is actually a bit scary, what is he going to do, throw the UN out of New York?

His disdain & contempt for our most allies is mind boggling insane. What's next?

no_hypocrisy

(46,095 posts)
3. And he expected her to whip out the national checkbook and write him the full amount?
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:04 AM
Mar 2017

It's more than the money. He did this to humiliate and humble her as Trump recognizes that Merkel is now the leader of the Free World.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,686 posts)
27. No country owes the US anything for NATO.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 11:58 AM
Mar 2017

What Trump apparently doesn't get is that NATO asks each member country to allocate 2% of its GDP to defense. Some countries have done that; some have not. But no country "owes" the U.S.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
33. tRump
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 12:15 PM
Mar 2017

owes US taxpayers millions just after this short administration. $3 MILLION a time for the Florida whorehouse, millions to NY for tRump Tower. Millions to guard his fugly dumb "kids". He depletes our treasury every day. None of the tRumps are worth protecting. Let them hire their own security.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
7. Oh the irony! Deadbeat Trump fabricating & handing out invoices.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:25 AM
Mar 2017

He's still working off his debt to Vlad for the election help and .5% share of Rosneft.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
9. Not to mention his 6 bankruptcies !!!!
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:37 AM
Mar 2017

But of course 45* will say that's going through a bankruptcy is just smart business - leave others on the hook for your debt while you walk away with $Millions.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
8. Then we need too immediately slash OUR budget DOWN to that 2% figure,
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:34 AM
Mar 2017

since it is obviously so critical.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
12. ABSOLUTELY!!!! Think of what a 43% slash in military spending would pay for- SCHOOLS, HEALTHCARE....
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:41 AM
Mar 2017

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
35. You can't do that
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 12:15 PM
Mar 2017

They don't have parades or holidays for healthcare and schools. Nobody wants to celebrate things that don't cause bloodshed and unilaterally make the world better for all.

If we didn't have a holiday for veterans and wars, when we have our mattress sales? Think how that would ruin our economy!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
13. no wonder all our American ally countries aren't as comfortable with USA anymore.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:47 AM
Mar 2017
Don't understand why Republicans allow their president to get away with representing America like this.
 

Jonny Appleseed

(960 posts)
18. Word leaders aren't sure who they're supposed to meet with anymore
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 11:14 AM
Mar 2017

with no state department and a powerless (in every way but militarily) mad king, what the fuck are they supposed to do?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
19. kind of like having a kid president and no one, not even Republican adults will supervise the kid.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 11:21 AM
Mar 2017
Fine if it's your own house or your own business and the kid in charge ruins & breaks stuff.

But America belongs to ALL of us, The Federal government is OUR government.

BREMPRO

(2,331 posts)
44. this is something only an immature inexperienced adolecent bully would do if he were president
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 12:40 PM
Mar 2017

oh. that's right, he is....all that.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
46. That's why Republicans love Trumps folly-as a 'wall' between Americans & OUR government servants.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 12:49 PM
Mar 2017

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
20. I think the Europeans realize that Trump + Deplorables
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 11:23 AM
Mar 2017

Is not equal to the USA.

We cannot be judged by the brainwashed masses here any more than the pro-Brexit UK'ers represent the views of their countrymen and women.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
23. Oh. My. God.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 11:46 AM
Mar 2017

This is NOT DONE to a visiting foreign leader. Ever. Even if he or she is from a hostile country, never mind an important ALLY.

I cringed every time George W. Bush met a foreign leader because I was afraid he'd embarrass our country yet again. This guy is much, much worse. I want to write a letter to Angela Merkel apologizing for our so-called president.

Botany

(70,503 posts)
24. Trump's history of being anti NATO and pro Putin is out there
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 11:52 AM
Mar 2017

The bill is just window dressing. And BTW Trump complaining about
a bill not being paid? Please! How many people has he screwed by
not paying them?

Botany

(70,503 posts)
31. Trump stole the last funds from widows of the Iraqi war w/his Trump U. scam.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 12:01 PM
Mar 2017

The man is a P.O.S..

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
48. Never understood why the Republican party, 100% backed such a scammer.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 01:15 PM
Mar 2017

Republicans know his life history.

Botany

(70,503 posts)
50. "Never understood why the Republican party, 100% backed such a scammer."
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 01:20 PM
Mar 2017

Because his racist, sexist, con man, big time wrestling act sold well w/the rubes.

I am starting to wonder if Trump didn't have Russian help in the primaries too.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
53. Manafort. And the Republicans primary did have russian help piling shit on Hillary Campaign.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 01:41 PM
Mar 2017

Russia hacked files, emails, personal emails, DNC files, all the crap Republicans piled on Hillary.

Russia conveniently deposited all the stolen files on WikiLeaks for Republicans to use. Some Republicans even seemed to know (in advance) when stolen files were available on WikiLeaks.

IMO

barbtries

(28,793 posts)
25. net 30,
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 11:56 AM
Mar 2017

payable to Trump Industries. wire remittance to the cayman islands or somesuch.

he's a true embarrassment to the country.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,686 posts)
29. Does SCROTUS not understand how NATO actually operates?
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 12:00 PM
Mar 2017

NATO asks each member country to allocate 2% of its GDP to defense. Some countries have done that; some have not. But no country "owes" the U.S. anything.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
51. Merkel said it herself at White House to reporters "Our agreement /w NATO moves toward 2% of GDP"
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 01:24 PM
Mar 2017
Trump stood right next to her with translation headphones on.

Mr Trump must not be a good listener and/OR always ignores a Woman speaking.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
32. What a disaster he is.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 12:02 PM
Mar 2017

Since this fool doesn't read, won't listen or attend briefings perhaps there needs to be a digital library available on 'How To Be President'. The segments can't be longer than 10 minutes given his ADD influence. Or maybe disguised as snappy little ads.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
34. I picture 45 and his cabal standing around the admin at the keyboard creating the faux invoice
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 12:15 PM
Mar 2017

Giggling and congratulating each other for such a brilliant idea....sheesh!

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
40. No, You're entirely wrong!
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 12:29 PM
Mar 2017

It was originally written in crayon -- on lined paper -- and the first amount was for a Million Bazillion Dollars.
After a long and heated discussion with his staff, they crossed through that amount and wrote "$300 billion." But they didn't bother to correct the backwards "N" in NATO.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
55. Editorial cartoon of that scene to follow
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 02:26 PM
Mar 2017

Your scenario is likewise subject to a cartoonist's imagination.

We either laugh about this shit, or cry...

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
37. OPEN APOLOGY TO THE WORLD
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 12:19 PM
Mar 2017

Dear citizens of Earth,

On behalf of my fellow Americans who DID NOT elect Mr. Trump to the office of the President of the United States, which was the MAJORITY of us, I offer a sincere apology for the stress his undisciplined and often incoherent social media rambles may be causing in your home nations.

We, the majority of the people of the United States of America, are doing what we can domestically to reign in the would-be Mad King. We have defeated his first disastrous legislative proposal and will continue to resist everything he attempts to do within our national borders. Please join us across the globe in making it clear, the division and hate and inhumanity that Trump represents is NOT our collective destiny and it too shall pass.

Resist!

FakeNoose

(32,638 posts)
52. So true
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 01:39 PM
Mar 2017

Can this be translated into German, Spanish, French, Swedish, Japanese, and a few dozen other languages?








joe_stampingbull

(165 posts)
39. why doesn't drumpf demand trillions...
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 12:26 PM
Mar 2017

from his idol Putin and the Russians for having to have NATO in the first place?

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
41. She should have looked him straight in the eye
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 12:32 PM
Mar 2017

Wadded it up, wiped her ass with it, and shook his hand with it.

rurallib

(62,413 posts)
45. On the plus side Trump didn't grab Merkel by the pussy
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 12:44 PM
Mar 2017

I think he should be applauded for such extraordinary restraint.
really growing up and becoming a man!





do I need this?

davsand

(13,421 posts)
49. Did she fold it into five sharp points and hand it back?
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 01:16 PM
Mar 2017

Or offer to insert it for him as a gesture of cooperation?





Laura

Turbineguy

(37,324 posts)
54. In the process transferring the
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 02:04 PM
Mar 2017

mantle of "Leader of the Free World" to her.

Make that "Her".

That and trump is rehabilitating all our heretofore worst-president-evers.

Oneironaut

(5,494 posts)
59. They should pay in crates full of monopoly money
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 05:28 PM
Mar 2017

The idiot in chief deserves no more acknowledgement and respect.

riversedge

(70,208 posts)
60. WH aide says story of Trump handing Merkel a $300b check for NATO dues is not true
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 07:02 PM
Mar 2017

I am not taking the Wh literally







am Stein?Verified account @samsteinhp

WH aide says story of Trump handing Merkel a $300b check for NATO dues is “not true”



12:47 PM - 26 Mar 2017
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WHYSY? @LUDUBIKA 5h5 hours ago

@samsteinhp like it was true that thousands and thousands of muslin were celebrating in the day of 9/11

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David Dixon? @dixondaver 5h5 hours ago

@LUDUBIKA @samsteinhp or true like he wasn't trying to get Mike Flynn Jr and Ivanka security clearances?

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Pé Resists? @4everNeverTrump 5h5 hours ago

@samsteinhp They'll deny it even if Merkel produces the invoice

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blkginger? @blk_ginger 5h5 hours ago

@samsteinhp Just like it was 'Not true' that he went golfing yesterday?

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