Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:19 PM
OmahaBlueDog (8,866 posts)
Penn State alumni group critical of NCAA sanctions, Freeh Report
Source: WHTM
HARRISBURG, Pa. (WHTM) - A Penn State alumni watchdog group that has been highly critical of the board of trustees said it is exploring legal recourse following the university's acceptance of NCAA sanctions. In a news release Thursday, Penn Staters for Responsible Stewardship said they have serious concerns as to why the university and the NCAA based their decisions on the Freeh Report, which the group called "wholly incomplete" and "insufficient." The NCAA, the governing body of college sports, on Monday imposed a $60 million fine and a four-year bowl game ban, cut the number of football scholarships, and took away 111 wins under former coach Joe Paterno. A spokesman for Penn State president Rodney Erickson, who agreed to the sanctions, said Wednesday that the university faced a possible four-year ban on playing football, and NCAA president Mark Emmert said this week that other penalties would have come with a total football ban. Read more: http://www.abc27.com/story/19121297/penn-state-alumni-group-critical-of-ncaa-sanctions-freeh-report
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| OmahaBlueDog | Jul 2012 | OP | |
| Hugabear | Jul 2012 | #1 | |
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:22 PM
Hugabear (9,866 posts)
1. Boo-hoo-fucking-hoo
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Why wasn't this "watchdog" group exploring legal recourse against the school for allowing a sexual predator to roam the campus for over a decade?
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Response to Hugabear (Reply #1)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:27 PM
Posteritatis (17,312 posts)
4. Because they figure that's an acceptable cost to protect their football program. (nt)
Response to freshwest (Reply #5)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 03:56 PM
pnwmom (43,205 posts)
27. Just a note -- this isn't an official Penn State alumni group.
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Just a bunch of alumni and supporters who didn't like the outcome.
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Response to Hugabear (Reply #1)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:05 PM
xtraxritical (3,017 posts)
30. The school is darn lucky the NCAA did not shut down the whole football program, and good riddance.
Response to xtraxritical (Reply #30)
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 09:09 PM
rickford66 (198 posts)
84. yes
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And if an English professor did it, they'd shut down the English department.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:22 PM
Fresh_Start (7,328 posts)
2. wait until they see that PSU insurers are rejecting claims
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to pay the victims because PSU leadership did not inform them of the Sandusky
I'd worry a lot about NCAA sanctions while ignoring the real risks to the university from its blind eye to child abuse |
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:27 PM
Posteritatis (17,312 posts)
3. Fuck 'em. (nt)
Response to Posteritatis (Reply #3)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:36 PM
MicaelS (4,386 posts)
9. Fuck 'em and feed 'em fish heads n/t
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:30 PM
Atman (26,084 posts)
6. I don't care in the slightest about the Penn State alumni group.
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They need to focus their outrage on the school administration, not the NCAA. So JoePa got his wins taken away. WHAAAAA. Explain to the kids Sandusky raped why you're so outraged.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:30 PM
krhines (108 posts)
7. I saw
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I saw on a board (so take it with a grain of salt) but apparently them taking whatever the NCAA dishes out was the only way they would be allowed to stay in the BIG 10... will see how this plays out.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:33 PM
benld74 (4,597 posts)
8. Oh waaaa, waaa, waaaa,,,
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:37 PM
tularetom (17,405 posts)
10. The Freeh report WAS incomplete and insufficient
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but not for the reasons they point out.
It went entirely too easy on Paterno and the other higher ups at the university and it appeared to completely absolve Attorney General (now Gov.) Tom Corbett from any culpability for his failure to act on the Sandusky matter even though he was aware of the situation. |
Response to tularetom (Reply #10)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:19 PM
LynneSin (89,793 posts)
19. Seriously, someone needs to investigate Tom Corbett
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Who slacked off on the investigation for fear he would lose Penn State voters when running for PA Governor.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:49 PM
laureloak (2,000 posts)
11. It punishes the innocent.
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And that's not the right thing to do.
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Response to laureloak (Reply #11)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:11 PM
Posteritatis (17,312 posts)
16. It punishes the institution, which goddamn well deserves it. (nt)
Response to Posteritatis (Reply #16)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:16 PM
msongs (30,548 posts)
17. it punishes the athletes that had NOTHING To do with it. nt
Response to msongs (Reply #17)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:33 PM
Posteritatis (17,312 posts)
21. Funny, it looks to me like it actively encourages the athletes to leave without penalty. (nt)
Response to Posteritatis (Reply #21)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:45 PM
Pauldg47 (52 posts)
23. Are you referring to ALL the athletes or just football.
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Do you even know how many dollars these people spent or will spend to change schools.
Look, my friend, and I'll say this again; "the students and the criminals are not connected". It's a non-NCAA issue. I hope the NCAA gets buried over this and gets sued big time!!! |
Response to Pauldg47 (Reply #23)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:36 PM
frylock (19,050 posts)
40. you can hope in one hand and shit in the other
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Response to msongs (Reply #17)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:33 PM
Pauldg47 (52 posts)
22. You're absolutely right!!!
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....as usual "witch hunts" hurt the innocent !!
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Response to msongs (Reply #17)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:11 PM
xtraxritical (3,017 posts)
31. R U joking? The athletes were using those same showers while Sandusky was "horseplaying"
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and were to chicken shit to rock the boat. The NCAA should shut down the entire football program. Fuck 'em.
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Response to msongs (Reply #17)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:35 PM
frylock (19,050 posts)
39. the athletes are free to attend another university..
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Last edited Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:35 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) the athletes will be able to play football. the "death penalty" was not levied against the program. football will be played at PSU this fall.
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Response to msongs (Reply #17)
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 01:26 PM
frylock (19,050 posts)
78. are the students going to prison?
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describe to me this punishment.
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Response to laureloak (Reply #11)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:26 PM
Pauldg47 (52 posts)
20. Your right !!!!
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...the student athletes should not be punished. I'm a Michigan fan and many of us would say yaaaay, keep them out for a while, but being objective, the NCAA is getting too powerful. Let the courts handle it, not the NCAA.
I for one would like to see the new school administrators take it to them in court and sue them big time. They (the NCAA) are becoming big government and want their hands on the "whole enchilada" of the world. Student athletes had no involvement....leave them alone!! Those who are involved should & will be punished severely according to the Laws. |
Response to Pauldg47 (Reply #20)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 03:51 PM
Hugabear (9,866 posts)
26. The NCAA is getting too powerful? Surely you jest.
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The individual conferences wield considerable power. Who do you think was behind the whole BCS system, and is currently behind the new playoff system? It's not the NCAA - it's the conferences. Each conference is free to negotiate their own TV rates, their own bowl tie-ins, their own scheduling. The NCAA merely provides the framework for each school to work with.
Just curious - how exactly should Penn State have been punished? Should they have received absolutely no punishment at all? As long as those involved are gone, just pretend that it's business as usual and that nothing ever happened? |
Response to Hugabear (Reply #26)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:06 AM
Pauldg47 (52 posts)
50. Um, where are you going with this.....
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....you wandered off the course like most people have already here.....even though things are correct what you say.......it's about the kids and school..the criminals are going to jail...there's no relationship to the student athletes. The student athletes had no involvement...it is not a recruiting situation. The NCAA can take the football wins away if they want, but the student athletes did nothing wrong.
The juristiction is not in the hands of the NCAA!! This is not a recruiting violation friend!!! Little boys were sodomized!! Your comparing apples with frogs...their is no relationship. The NCAA should let the Federal courts punish the appropriate people. Keep working on the playoff games though...I would really like to see that! |
Response to Pauldg47 (Reply #50)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:26 AM
Hugabear (9,866 posts)
55. You think the NCAA only deals with recruiting violations?
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Did you even hear the speech that NCAA Pres. Emmerich made? He laid out quite clearly how this is an NCAA matter. The FOOTBALL PROGRAM committed gross ethical violations in this case. The NCAA bylaws - which Penn State agreed to as a member of the NCAA - very clearly state that member institutions have certain ethical and moral responsibilities. It's pretty obvious that in this case, there was an ethical and moral breakdown of unprecedented proportions.
As for as the student-athletes - THEY ARE NOT BEING PUNISHED. Nobody is having their scholarship revoked. In fact - the NCAA has given them permission to transfer to any school they desire - or they can stay at Penn State on full scholarship. So please tell me, how exactly is this punishing the student athlete? |
Response to Hugabear (Reply #55)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 09:25 AM
obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)
58. It isn't -- that's just the #1 talking point
Response to Hugabear (Reply #55)
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:04 PM
Pauldg47 (52 posts)
71. Look; I don't care what he said. It is not an NCAA matter! First & foremost it's criminal.
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...My friend, you just professed the NCAA is involved in multiple responsibilities. Forty years ago it was not complex. Now they want to control every thing. All organizations want to expand their turf.. ...whoever funds them (the universities) is wasting millions that could go to scholarships.....Penn State will get their day and is already going to get it BIG at taxpayer expense.
Organization rules and amendments require more and more legal actions and more lawyers that cost money. Like I said in an early post, I follow Michigan for the most part. I never was a Penn State fan...I didn't even hold Paterno to any high regards. All I'm saying is big organization cost money. The NCAA does not have to DOUBLE DIP here. They can step aside because the damage will be taken to Penn State by the Feds in a very big way. The criminals that raped those little boys or had a hand in it will pay exponentially. Penn State reputation is already ruined. Save the lawyers and save the paperwork....save some trees!! Our taxes are going be putting a dozen or so criminals/conspirators through the courts & behind bars for a very long time !! |
Response to Pauldg47 (Reply #71)
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 02:28 PM
Hugabear (9,866 posts)
72. In other words, just because YOU say it isn't
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You gave absolutely nothing to refute that the NCAA has no jurisdiction other than basically 'it just isn't'
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Response to Pauldg47 (Reply #20)
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 06:44 PM
peacebird (7,510 posts)
69. Sorry, NCAA did not do enough. Penn State deserved a ban.
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You clearly feel that Penn State footbal is absolutely innocent in the Sandusky case... Or at least the program should not be touched - somehow you don't get that those boys should not have been touched either, and that JoePa put FOOTBALL ahead of kids the heads of PS knew and let it happen.
It is for that reason I feel PS football should have been given the death penalty. Four years without football to let them concentrate on what is real (education) and what matters. Clearly they let the football program take on a level of importance greater than the University, and their worship of JoePa football blinded them to what really matters. As a result children were sexually abused - which is FAR more important than Penn Stare football. |
Response to laureloak (Reply #11)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 03:47 PM
Hugabear (9,866 posts)
25. The NCAA has jurisdiction over its members
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The actual people involved in the coverup are still facing NCAA and criminal sanctions. However, the NCAA is within its rights to level sanctions against the university as well. The NCAA is a voluntary organization - members have to agree to uphold the NCAA's bylaws and code of conduct.
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Response to Hugabear (Reply #25)
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 07:12 PM
SomeGuyInEagan (1,139 posts)
70. Yup. Penn State is free to leave the NCAA any time it wants.
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It has options, unlike the children those in power at Penn State chose to allow to be raped for 10+ years while actively covering it up.
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Response to laureloak (Reply #11)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:33 PM
frylock (19,050 posts)
38. how so?
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how does this punish the innocent?
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Response to laureloak (Reply #11)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:44 PM
Hugabear (9,866 posts)
41. Please explain how this "punishes" the innocent
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The players are free to transfer to any school they want - the NCAA is even waiving the rule that requires them to sit out 1 year.
The school will still have a football program. PSU fans are still able to attend football games. Will PSU be one of the top teams in the country? Doubtful. They may well be a doormat in the Big Ten for several years. Big deal. As many have pointed out, they're lucky they still have a team. |
Response to laureloak (Reply #11)
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:05 AM
Zoeisright (7,864 posts)
65. The INNOCENT in all this
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were the abused children.
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Response to laureloak (Reply #11)
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 01:18 PM
GodlessBiker (6,293 posts)
76. Innocent people are always hurt when punishment is imposed...
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The children of the incarcerated are punished when their parents go to jail.
Honest and good South Africans we're punished when the boycott was on. There are a hundred examples. |
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:55 PM
Iggo (22,337 posts)
12. They got a watchdog group making sure little kids don't get raped?
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No?
Fuck off, Penn Staters For Resposible Stewardship. |
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:58 PM
madrchsod (55,748 posts)
13. they are lucky they still have a football program so.....
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Last edited Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:00 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) shut the hell up and go away...
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:02 PM
Flatpicker (515 posts)
15. I'm critical of them too
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I think they should have disbanded the football program for a minimum of 10 years, with a review in year 9 to see if it should be extended.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:18 PM
LynneSin (89,793 posts)
18. They should be damn lucky they weren't given the 'death penalty'
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That's where the program is shut down completely for a few years. SMU is still recovering from their death penalty they had over a decade ago.
At least Penn State can still play football games. |
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:45 PM
OmahaBlueDog (8,866 posts)
24. I HAVE A REQUEST FOR ANY DUers WHO ARE PENN STATEers
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First, let me say I don't blame you or any of the players or current coaching staff for what happened.
Second, if you are a Penn State grad or resident of Pennsylvania in an area in which Penn State is seriously followed (example: Altoona) and especially if you participate in Nittany Lion message boards, I have a request. This is an honest, no-snark, no-sarcasm, no-hidden-agenda request. Can you please offer an answer to this question: If the sanctions handed down by the NCAA were unfair, what would have been fair? I'm not asking you to get yourself flamed here. Quote friends or family or cite articles or blog posts. I'm just trying to wrap my head around what the alternatives were here. |
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Reply #24)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:00 PM
pnwmom (43,205 posts)
28. I'm not a Penn Stater -- just pointing out that the group in the OP doesn't represent
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anyone but itself. It's not an official Penn State group. I couldn't find a list of its membership, so it could very well be only a handful of people.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:04 PM
AtomicKitten (39,588 posts)
29. The child rape was institutionalized by those in charge turning a blind eye.
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The football program was considered sacrosanct in spite of eyewitness reporting of the rapes. The institution is as guilty as Sandusky and should and must be punished.
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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #29)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:18 AM
Pauldg47 (52 posts)
54. That's right!!!
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...so you too are saying corporations are people too?..(sarcasm)
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:25 PM
Hugabear (9,866 posts)
32. Let's be clear - we're talking about CHILD RAPE - not just some run-of-the-mill shenanigans
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The evidence makes it very clear that the football program and the university turned a blind eye to a CHILD RAPIST - and allowed him to continue to use their facilities. They were more concerned with protecting their image than they were about the safety of youngsters.
When a football program is caught committing recruiting violations - it does not matter if the coach is fired or has resigned. The university is still subject to sanctions. Why would anyone not expect this to be any different? We're talking about something much more incredibly serious. As for the charge that this isn't a "football matter" - absolute horseshit. This has EVERYTHING to do with the football program - it began with the football program turning a blind eye to the problem - and continued with the university trying to protect the football program's image. The NCAA clearly spells out that it is the duty of member institutions to protect and look out for the interests of student-athletes, to foster a "moral" climate, etc. Nobody can claim that Penn State was doing everything it could to watch out for the best interests of these kids. |
Response to Hugabear (Reply #32)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:02 PM
azmesa207 (342 posts)
34. If Pen State is being
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punished fairly why haven't they punished the Catholic Church for covering up child rape for years , and still are ??????
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Response to azmesa207 (Reply #34)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:25 PM
exboyfil (3,399 posts)
36. I didn't realize the Catholic church was overseen by the NCAA
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I only know of one higher authority that can punish the Catholic church - God - since that scandal seemed to reach all the way to the Vatican.
We can talk about possibly pulling local parishes tax exempt status. Already the priests that have not fled to the Vatican are going to jail in many cases. Also the church has been been paying out judgements right and left (all richly deserved). Priests really don't have assets (even though some get to support a lavish lifestyle on the assets owned by the church). |
Response to azmesa207 (Reply #34)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:07 PM
IndyJones (1,061 posts)
48. They are being punished. Many, many people like me have left in droves and the RCC isn't getting
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our money any longer. I'm not going to tithe or otherwise support such a corrupt organization.
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Response to azmesa207 (Reply #34)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 09:28 AM
obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)
59. Link to the NCAA being the Church's sanctioning organization?
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I hadn't heard this.
Link? |
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:59 PM
SDjack (1,066 posts)
33. Damn the NCAA -- now it is even less likely that Penn State and Notre Dame
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play again within my lifetime. I really liked that match-up, as it allowed me to cheer for both teams to lose the game. Maybe Penn State will be a pioneer by leaving the NCAA and going semi-pro. If they can get 9 more universities to go semi-pro, they have a league. And, by paying top dollar contracts to all players instead of "scholarships" to a few, they will get the best athletes from the world's high schools.
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Response to SDjack (Reply #33)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:05 PM
Flatpicker (515 posts)
35. I guess
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But isn't that really pushing away from the core concept of these places being established for higher learning?
IE, The problem in a nutshell? |
Response to Flatpicker (Reply #35)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:28 PM
SDjack (1,066 posts)
37. Just trying to be realistic.
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I see no hope that PSU will move toward the U. of Chicago model. PSU is severely addicted to the cash flow from their Athletic Department. Not to focus on PSU, all the schools in the big conferences are hooked. They are hosts for semi-pro teams. Here they have an opportunity to correct their growing errors. Spin the off into corporations and move them off campus.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:07 PM
radicalliberal (238 posts)
42. Pity any rape victim ...
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... who "gets in the way" of a high-school or college football program.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:23 PM
arely staircase (4,201 posts)
43. between this and the terrorist complaining about having to shave his beard
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im not sure who i have less sympathy for.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:50 PM
aquart (67,538 posts)
44. Too. Damn. Bad.
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:55 PM
proverbialwisdom (1,607 posts)
45. OVERVIEW: http://www.protect.org/emergency/1544 & http://protect.org/tech
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Last edited Fri Jul 27, 2012, 02:28 PM USA/ET - Edit history (4) Where is the outrage over the massive ONGOING failures described below in PA and present all across the country according to PROTECT?
http://www.protect.org/home
July 20 at 5:26am Protect A law enforcement sweep this week is targeting 20 suspects in the Silicon Valley for trafficking in video of children being raped and abused. Sweeps like these could be repeated weekly or monthly in larger jurisdictions, but are infrequent due to the severe strain they put on understaffed law enforcement. We hope authorities are also putting maximum resources into searching for possible child victims. http://bit.ly/OCpRbB http://losgatos.patch.com/articles/local-cops-conduct-child-porn-sweep http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/news/Penn-State-Tragedy-Inspires-Law-Targeting-PA-Attorney-General.html?page=1&comments=1&showAll=
Penn State Tragedy Inspires Law Targeting PA’s Attorney General By Tara Murtha Posted Dec. 27, 2011 The introduction of the Pennsylvania Attorney General Mandated Reporter Law by Rep. Dan Deasy (D-Allegheny) on the steps of the Allegheny county courthouse in early December didn’t make much of a splash here, but the implications of the legislation are explosive: Supporters allege that the Pennsylvania Attorney General’s office is sitting on thousands of leads on child sex abusers, collecting the data on their possible whereabouts but not trying to find them. “The facts are that there are 22,000 graphic child pornographers in Pennsylvania, thousands of them are likely to be committing child abuse right now, and if we’re not giving out that information to local law enforcement, which is the case … we are not doing our job as best we could,” says former U.S. Representative Patrick Murphy, currently campaigning to become the first Democrat elected as Pennsylvania Attorney General next year. The bill’s supporters want the Attorney General’s office to share leads generated in RoundUp, a sophisticated forensic tool that scours peer-to-peer file-sharing networks like Gnutella and BitTorrent and pinpoints IP addresses of computers sharing graphic child pornography. Murphy sees the new law as a stateside extension of the federal PROTECT Our Children Act in 2008. During Congressional testimony for that legislation, the FBI and Department of Justice estimated less than 1 percent of all leads are investigated. Material includes graphic videos of child rape and ‘grooming materials’—videos designed to teach children it’s normal for adults to touch them sexually. Supporters of the bill include Murphy, Deasy, Rep. Dan Frankel (D-Allegheny), Rep. Michael Sturla (D-Lancaster), national nonprofit PROTECT and high-profile advocate Alicia Kozakiewicz. They say they want the attorney general’s office to “push out” the leads to each of the 67 county district attorneys every 24 hours, and have each instance count as a new investigation into a possible—or statistically speaking, probable—child abuser. They say where there’s smoke there’s fire, and research backs them up. Though estimates range widely on the percentage of overlap, studies and arrest data confirm the modern phenomenon of “dual offenders,” people whose crimes involve both possession of child pornography and child sex abuse. <...> Kozakiewicz says that since the Penn State scandal broke, it’s more important to her than ever to make some progress in her home state. “The Penn State tragedy is horrible, and really shocked the world into something that, while it may have been a secret, (is) nothing new,” says Kozakiewicz. She sees Attorney General Linda Kelly’s comments on Penn State hypocritical. “(Kelly) pointed her finger (at) Penn State and has been accusing them (of withholding information) while she herself could also be accused (of the same thing),” says Kozakiewicz. “If inaction is a crime, on the part of Penn State officials, then certainly Tom Corbett and Linda Kelly are guilty of the same crime,” says Camille Cooper, who helped draft this bill as legislative director of PROTECT. “That’s why Pennsylvania, and that’s why now.” <...> More: http://protect.org/legislation/1577-media-advisory-12-2-11 http://protect.org/component/search/?searchword=penn+state&ordering=&searchphrase=all |
Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #45)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:07 PM
proverbialwisdom (1,607 posts)
46. FYI
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Murphy lost the recent primary to the Clinton supported (D) for PA AG.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:53 PM
modrepub (650 posts)
47. Would have rather seen a shut down
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because the whole community would have been punished. Not having 100k+ people over the 8 or so weekends would have been more suitable punishment in my mind. The local AG looked the other way in 1998; probably because he knew what kind of damage it would have done (he's dead too). There was no due process in this process and there could never have been because of the "no punishment too good for them" crowd. Paterno's dead, and he can't defend himself. Heap all the scorn you on him you want but in my opinion it's not fair and it's scapegoating. There are lots of people in state college who deserve as much scorn as coach Paterno. Unfortunately they won't get theirs because of what's happened.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:43 PM
Raster (12,615 posts)
49. This may turn out to be a moot point as soon as the lawsuits begin. Penn State may have to sell....
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....EVERYTHING, including the JoePa statue and the stadium goalposts to pay off damages to all of sandusdky's victims.
This is only the beginning. |
Response to Raster (Reply #49)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 08:11 AM
OmahaBlueDog (8,866 posts)
57. They are the state. They have pretty deep pockets
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...and the amount of money generated by college football at that level is becoming mind boggling.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Reply #57)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 02:00 PM
Raster (12,615 posts)
61. Agreed. However, the monster sandusky had free reign FOR YEARS...
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AND MANY, MANY VICTIMS. Penn State and the Commonwealth could eventually be on the hook for hundreds of millions by the time this sorry, sordid affair is over.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:22 AM
gopiscrap (2,543 posts)
51. Fuck that they should have had a
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one death penalty for all sports and a 13 year death penalty for football!
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:34 AM
bluestateguy (40,060 posts)
52. Penn State will still get to play football this year
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THAT is the compromise. That is the very gracious concession made by NCAA.
I suggest they shut up and be very grateful that they will still have a season this Fall. |
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:34 AM
Odin2005 (48,255 posts)
53. Bunch of fucking whiners.
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:05 AM
Earth_First (11,612 posts)
56. Just goes to prove that the program trumps all legal, moral and ethical justifications
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This is about nothing more than pure, unadulterated greed and blind allegiance.
Disgusting, really... |
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 09:55 AM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
60. Apparently covering up a massive child rape scandal for years
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is something people get upset about.
I suppose there was no way of knowing that in advance but now you do. Just consider this an expensive lesson and don't repeat it. |
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:21 AM
proverbialwisdom (1,607 posts)
62. What's the Penn State alumni watchdog group's perspective on this development?
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http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/07/former_penn_state_president_gr.html
Former Penn State President Graham Spanier, accused of covering up sexual abuse allegations in Jerry Sandusky case, lands security job with federal government Published: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 5:04 PM Updated: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 5:14 PM In yet another shocking development in the Penn State story, ousted president Graham Spanier will soon begin working with the federal government on projects related to national security, The Patriot-News of Harrisburg, Pa., first reported. In an email written to the paper, Spanier said: “For the next several months, as I transition to my post-presidential plans, I will be working on a special project for the U.S. government relating (to) national security. This builds on my prior positions working with federal agencies to foster improved cooperation between our nation’s national security agencies and other entities.” <...> |
Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #62)
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:24 AM
OmahaBlueDog (8,866 posts)
63. WTF?
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Reply #63)
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 06:25 PM
proverbialwisdom (1,607 posts)
68. WAPO: "Graham Spanier’s gig as a federal worker is a mystery"
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Last edited Sun Jul 29, 2012, 06:26 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/post/graham-spaniers-gig-as-a-federal-worker-is-a-mystery/2012/07/26/gJQAbAx5BX_blog.htm
Posted at 07:00 AM ET, 07/27/2012 Graham Spanier’s gig as a federal worker is a mystery By Emily Heil Graham Spanier might have been ousted from his post at the helm of Penn State over the sex-abuse scandal that engulfed the university, but it seems he’s found a backup employer: the American taxpayer. Only a disgraced public figure would consider joining the much-maligned ranks of the federal workforce as a step up, reputation-wise. We can assume there were no openings for a used-car salesman. Spanier was faulted in an internal Penn State report after the conviction on child-molestation charges of former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky. The report said he, head coach Joe Paterno and others helped cover up Sandusky’s abuse. His lawyer confirms to the Loop that Spanier is working on a part-time consulting basis for a “top-secret” agency on national security issues. But the gig is so hush-hush, he couldn’t even tell his attorneys the name of the agency. In April — months after his ouster as president but before the release of the internal report — he told the Patriot-News of central Pennsylvania that he was working on a “special project for the U.S. government relating national security.” But who’s he working for? The CIA? Homeland Security? Or maybe just a dull consulting firm with a government contract? <...> |
Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #62)
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 06:12 PM
proverbialwisdom (1,607 posts)
67. Info reported in April and July NOT picked up by national media. No idea why.
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Link here from article above (post #62).
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/04/post_340.html
Former Penn State University president Graham Spanier to begin new job for federal government Published: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 7:48 PM Updated: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:35 PM By SARA GANIM, The Patriot-News From the comments: 'PA legislature grant(ed) PSU an exemption from the Open Records Act.' |
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:04 AM
Zoeisright (7,864 posts)
64. Penn State alumni group can kiss my ass.
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Suck it up, you wusses.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 02:04 AM
Monk06 (5,610 posts)
66. College sport, any sport, has been corrupted by too much money. There should be a cap
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Last edited Sat Jul 28, 2012, 02:04 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) on all sport budgets regardless of the amount of money in the endowment. And coaches should be limited to $200,000 per year and no perks, endorsements or soft money swag. The teams should only be compensated for operating costs. And college athletes should go back to the system of penalties for poor academic performance.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:40 PM
proverbialwisdom (1,607 posts)
73. Zooming out from the Penn State case to related news on today's House vote.
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http://protect.org/
TWITTER FEED PROTECT Looks as though Child Protection Act of 2012 will pass with strong bipartisan support. Vote delayed now for lack of quorum, though. 15 hours ago · reply · retweet · favorite PROTECT Incredibly eloquent statement by @DWStweets on behalf of HR 6063. "I have learned far too much about the world of child pornography." 15 hours ago · reply · retweet · favorite GrierWeeks House debate on Child Protection Act of 2012 next up on C-SPAN. 16 hours ago · reply · retweet · favorite PROTECT Tell Congress children R important to you & ask your Rep. to vote "YES" on our Child Protection Act of 2012 (H.R. 6063) http://bit.ly/PksKe0 22 hours ago · reply · retweet · favorite http://protect.org/
FACEBOOK FEED The Boston Globe has published an excellent, lengthy article reporting Homeland Security's operations to locate and rescue children from a global network of predators. This is the greatest form of "homeland security" there is. PROTECT is in the middle of a campaign now to get Congress to increase funding for these operations. This is why we fight. Warning: disturbing details. http://bo.st/Qq3WIs http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2012/07/29/led_by_an_innocent_into_a_web_of_evil/?page=1 Sunday at 1:10pm. http://protect.org/
FACEBOOK FEED We're thinking today of the men and women on the front lines fighting child pornography. They go home every night with sights and sounds in their heads that could destroy the mental health of most people. They are truly our eyes and ears in hell, and the lifeline for untold thousands of children. Please thank them every chance you get... and demand our government support them.
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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #73)
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 12:08 PM
proverbialwisdom (1,607 posts)
74. RELATED THREAD: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014185205
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http://protect.org/
FACEBOOK FEED The Boston Globe has published an excellent, lengthy article reporting Homeland Security's operations to locate and rescue children from a global network of predators. This is the greatest form of "homeland security" there is. PROTECT is in the middle of a campaign now to get Congress to increase funding for these operations. This is why we fight. Warning: disturbing details. http://bo.st/Qq3WIs http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2012/07/29/led_by_an_innocent_into_a_web_of_evil/?page=1 1 week ago at 1:10pm. RELATED THREAD: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014185205 |
Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #73)
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 12:19 PM
proverbialwisdom (1,607 posts)
75. House passes Child Protection Act 2012/"Child abuse is a bipartisan issue. Both parties ignore it."
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http://protect.org/
TWITTER FEED PROTECT Child protection is crime control. 2 days ago · reply · retweet · favorite GrierWeeks Child abuse is a bipartisan issue. Both parties ignore it. 2 days ago · reply · retweet · favorite <...> GrierWeeks Including the Child Protection Act of 2012! RT @flooraction House approves slew of suspension bills in late debate http://bit.ly/Ra6lS4 3 days ago · reply · retweet · favorite |
Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #73)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:04 PM
proverbialwisdom (1,607 posts)
80. CBS: "A source has been told... child pornography was found in at least 1 of Sandusky's computers."
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http://protect.org/
PROTECT FACEBOOK FEED CBS has gotten the leak we've been waiting for. "A source has been told that child pornography was found in at least one of Sandusky's computers." It's a loose thread that could unravel evidence of other suspects and lead to a much larger story. CBS says the U.S. Postal Inspection Service is now investigating this evidence: http://cbsn.ws/MIKAXL And the New York Post says one of Sandusky's associates could be "a prominent athletic booster for the school." http://nyp.st/RzFnGB 6 hours ago http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57491185/feds-probe-possible-sandusky-child-porn-ring/ http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/jerry_abuse_mate_lxw6loKawXio0JsCI9TWDM |
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 01:24 PM
RainDog (24,299 posts)
77. Repulsive
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And anyone who defends Penn State football here is equally repulsive.
If I never heard of Penn State again, that would be great. Actions have consequences that reach beyond their initial victims. Joe was a repulsive little toad of a man who cared so little about children he and others in the administration of Penn State willingly ASSISTED in the RAPE OF CHILDREN. But, by all means, it's the football program that matters here - as was the case when so many enabled pedophilia. |
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 01:53 PM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
79. If they'd expressed half this outrage at the initial coverup as they are over the punishment
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I'd be a bit more sympathetic.
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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:03 PM
JonLP24 (14,009 posts)
81. I find it strange
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that the NCAA based it's decision for penalties based on what's in the Freeh Report, which is a report that was started by Penn State themselves. Basically the NCAA used Penn St's resources to hammer Penn St.
That same report could also be used for lawsuits directed at Penn State. |
Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:12 PM
proverbialwisdom (1,607 posts)
82. Ex-Penn State president Graham Spanier says it was his choice to resign, not the board of trustees
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http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/08/spanier_says_it_was_his_choice.html
Ex-Penn State president Graham Spanier says it was his choice to resign, not the board of trustees Published: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 4:07 PM Updated: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 4:30 PM By SARA GANIM, The Patriot-News Link from Twitter Feed: http://protect.org/ |
Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #82)
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:19 PM
jsr (3,497 posts)
83. Like they would have let him stay
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He was toast and he knew it.
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