Iranian university bans on women causes consternation

[Bosonic]

Source: BBC

With the start of the new Iranian academic year, a raft of restrictions on courses open to female students has been introduced, raising questions about the rights of women to education in Iran - and the long-term impact such exclusions might have.

More than 30 universities have introduced new rules banning female students from almost 80 different degree courses.

These include a bewildering variety of subjects from engineering, nuclear physics and computer science, to English literature, archaeology and business.

No official reason has been given for the move, but campaigners, including Nobel Prize winning lawyer Shirin Ebadi, allege it is part of a deliberate policy by the authorities to exclude women from education.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19665615

[Monk06]

1. I've was taught Java script and internet multimedia by an Iranian woman. They are some of the most

adept technology professionals out there. The Iranian government is making a big mistake.

[Ash_F]

2. I hope that this does not stand. /nt

[azurnoir]

3. Thanks for the informative post on how awful them I-rain-ans (government) are

I guess we're spose'd to think bombing them isn't so bad after all, I mean we'd prolly be doin' them a favor, right?

total

the Iranian people do indeed need a new government but the by any means necessary seems to be at work here, or perhaps I'm reading wrong?

[Bosonic]

4. What a fucking unhinged response

[azurnoir]

5. Thanks so you do not support removing the Iranian government I take it?

sorry but your post(s) remind me of the sympathy for the Kurds being worked prior to our invasion of Iraq

[Posteritatis]

7. Gah, seriously. (nt)

[Posteritatis]

6. Because saying a government does something bad is exactly the same as advocating war, right?

Good lord do some people here need some basic logic lessons.

[azurnoir]

21. and some need a longer memory apparently? n/t

[snooper2]

36. you don't do nuance very well do you?

[Socal31]

8. Wow, way to come un-glued.

On topic, this is disgusting. Persians are some of the most intelligent people on the planet, no matter the gender.

We can certainly have disdain for their policies and not be hinting at "bombing" them.

[4th law of robotics]

12. Er . . .what?

Persians are some of the most intelligent people on the planet

That would imply there are less intelligent ethnic groups. Which ones are the least intelligent?

[Socal31]

14. I'm not taking that bait, sorry.

We are all born equal as far as natural human rights, not genetically. Just as there is a difference in average height and susceptibility to disease, there are different average and out-lier IQs.

That is neither here nor there, no need to imply what you were trying to when I was merely pointing out the shame of the subject topic.

[4th law of robotics]

15. Um . . . you said it

There are differences in average IQs.

And apparently persians are on the high end.

That necessitates other groups being on the low end does it not? We can't all be above average, math doesn't work that way.

[Quantess]

33. Good for you, for not taking the bait.

I think I know what you are implying, which (what I believe you are saying) is that some nationalities have very smart and well educated people. Iran is one of them. There is nothing wrong with saying so, but some people just like to pick fights.

[azurnoir]

20. That had nothing to do with what I said

my point had more to do with antiIranian propaganda, as one who was around for build-up to the war in Iraq/Afghanistan it is quite common to elicit sympathy for part of a group in this case women to make punishing the whole under the guise of freeing the them, seem a bit more ah 'liberal' if you will

[Posteritatis]

22. So any criticism of a country's behaviour is pro-war propaganda? (nt)

[azurnoir]

23. not always however when there is a push for a war against that country it can be

and there is a push by some, even here on DU for a war against Iran, ostensibly to stop Iran for developing nuclear weapons, does that include the OP

[Quantess]

34. On what basis is this article "propaganda"?

That would imply there are falsehoods in this article. Do you know something the rest of us don't?

[4th law of robotics]

10. So . . . I guess it's ok that they're denying education to women?

Or is it just not acceptable to talk about it?

[azurnoir]

19. Neither but your welcome to think/believe either or both if it pleases n/t

[4th law of robotics]

24. Some nations produce their own anti-propaganda

Saying North Korea has a food issue both makes them look bad and is 100% accurate.

Saying Iran treats women as less than equals both makes them look bad and is 100% accurate.

They made their choices.

[RandiFan1290]

16. Elections are coming up in Iran

Seems like Bibi and the right wing in Iran is hoping for something to derail that.

[Odin2005]

17. This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen on DU.

[leftynyc]

27. What a bunch of crap

So, should I take it that your incessant carping on Israel means you think we should bomb them? Are we not allowed to be informed of what is happening to women in that part of the world without being labeled warmonger by the likes of you?

[stevenleser]

31. Alert results

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What a bunch of crap
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by the likes of you?

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[zellie]

9. What's left to major in ?

Basket weaving ?

Building blocks 101?

I would not want to be a woman in Iran.

[4th law of robotics]

11. Women's studies? nt

[zellie]

25. How could I forget ?

Second class citizen 101
Don't you dare drive 102
Neda is a hoax by the infidel 301
Freedom?whats that ? 422

[pampango]

13. I think the idea is for women to major in baby-making.

"There was no official reason given for the move, but Iranian officials have expressed alarm in recent months about the country's declining birth and marriage rates, seen as partially caused by women's rising educational attainment in the last two decades."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/09/201292211424417429.html

[ProgressiveProfessor]

18. I note that many here are not choosing to comment on the tie to islam

as the underlying rationale.

[DonCoquixote]

26. depends on the type of islam

Keep in mind, the Iranians are Shia, which is less than 15 percent of all Islam, and that the Ayatollahs are a subset of Shia. Youmight as well be talking about Mormons as allChristians, and even then ignoring the fact that there are harry Reid Mormons and Mitt Romney types, as well as types that make both look like hippies.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

28. I was referring to the public statements that this was correct islamic thing to do

They may be shia, but it was used as justification. Note also that attacks on women's schools are not just limited to Shia areas

[Bad_Ronald]

39. Is there any point of making such notations here?

I'm surprised someone with your post count would even have to make an observation like that. You're supposed to pretend that advocating equality for woman in Iran (or in any part of the Islamic world) is tantamount to advocating war against them. You're supposed to pretend that no such rationale exists in Islam, and that all religions are just as bad if not billions of times worse (especially Christianity) when it comes to the treatment of women, gays, religious minorities, etc. You're supposed to pretend that any argument to the contrary constitutes hate speech, with the onus of any barbaric acts of violence inspired by such hate speech being solely on you.

[LibertyLover]

29. Archaeology?

That is so beyond totally messed up that I don't even have the vocabulary to express my bewilderment, at least in words that are not of the 4-letter variety. One of my favorite professors at university, in Iranian archaeology no less, was a fantastic woman PhD candidate.

[zellie]

38. I assume she's no longer in Iran .

Smart move on her part.

[LibertyLover]

40. When I did my Iranian archaeology course

I was in Chicago. I kind of lost track of the teacher, but a friend of mine who was (and is) an Assyriologist mentioned not too long ago that she had moved to England.

[Donowitz]

30. This is awful

But I'll bet the Republicans probably dream of doing the same thing, except to African-Americans as well.

[stevenleser]

32. This plus the new domestic only controlled internet they are creating and the mullahtocracy is

begging to be overthrown. I hope Iranian citizens do that forthwith.

[bemildred]

35. These clowns may well get themselves removed if they persist in this folly. nt

[snooper2]

37. stupid fucking fundies just like our stupid fundies (Kansas school board ring a bell)

People who take mythology literally should be the last ones to have any say in education...



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