Boehner Wants Obamacare On The Chopping Block In Debt Negotiations
Source: TPM
SAHIL KAPUR 10:27 AM EST, WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 21, 2012
In a new op-ed for the Cincinnati Enquirer, House Speaker John Boehner argues that the Affordable Care Act should be on the table for cuts in a deficit reduction deal.
He writes:
The presidents health care law adds a massive, expensive, unworkable government program at a time when our national debt already exceeds the size of our countrys entire economy. We cant afford it, and we cant afford to leave it intact. Thats why Ive been clear that the law has to stay on the table as both parties discuss ways to solve our nations massive debt challenge.
The Ohio Republican also promises to use his House majority to go after Obamacare through the oversight process, mentioning recent efforts by the Ways and Means Committee to probe whether the administration is using taxpayer funds inappropriately when it comes to the health care law.
Over the past couple of years, I have noted there are essentially three major routes to repeal of the presidents law: the courts, the presidential election process and the congressional oversight process. With two of those three routes having come up short, the third and final one becomes more important than ever.
Vigorous oversight of the health care law by the House can be expected and, in fact, is already under way.
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Read more: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/boehner-wants-obamacare-on-chopping-block-in-debt?ref=fpb
Link to Boehner's Op-Ed:
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121121/EDIT02/311210016/House-GOP-angling-repeal-health-care?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cp&nclick_check=1
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)I'm ready to jump off the cliff, Barack. Got my parachute ready...
24601
(3,962 posts)in the Congressional body from which, according to the Constitution" all tax bills must originate.
Co-equal branches of government does not place the President over the Speaker and does not place the Speaker over the President.
If the United States goes off the "fiscal cliff" only party comes from Defense - a huge portion slashes social spending.
Knowing one's place has a long history of being a racial slur and has no place on DU.
Edit for quotation mark in Reply title
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)being that I'M BLACK! Apparently, you don't know who I am. NEW HERE? If we go off the CURB or SLOPE, it's not going to be the catastrophe that certain parties are trying to be gin it up to be. IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE MITIGATED AND REVERSED, (ALSO BACKDATED), as long as it's taken care of before the end of January.
24601
(3,962 posts)for screamers and race card players.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)as forgetting his place as the leader of the losing side in this election. You just didn't know I was black before you assumed something that was completely idiotic, without taking time to READ WHAT I POSTED. NEVER brought of anything regarding race, (BTW, THERE IS ONLY 1 RACE, Human) until you made that assinine comment about regarding racist code having no place on DU. Remember how to read AND comprehend, cuz DAMN! SMDH
Oh, I used caps so that EVEN YOU can understand what I meant and one more thing. Since WHEN has the racist dog whistle of "knowing one's place" EVER been applied to white folks? Because an inquiring world wants to know. And because I understand that you have issues with comprehension, take your time...I'LL WAIT...
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)would be really great.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)loudsue
(14,087 posts)Or make the public option so cheap it puts all the health insurance companies out of business.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)aquart
(69,014 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)It is humorous, only thing I hate is so many on our side don't see it.
Roped the dopes again.
Too bad we can't have him as President forever. No one in our lifetime will ever be 1/2 as good.
rsweets
(307 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)Skittles
(153,164 posts)I'D DO IT FOR YOU MY SWEET
Scuba
(53,475 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)I guess I have a unique sense of humor, or maybe I need a sarcasm tag. I do think the lack of facial expressions makes my humor hard to understand sometimes. I apologize to anyone I offended.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)I said TROLL BAITER, which is how you kinda referred to yourself. I knew you were kidding, and I am kidding too!
Skittles
(153,164 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)and they cannot stand the idea of the freedom and peace of mind that Obamacare will bring about .. so to their side any cuts would be a psychological win, anything..
is what Obama should have done the first time. Maybe the second time he will do it right.
MaynardGeeKrebs
(31 posts)Lets see, when you were predicting Mittens would get over 300 electroral votes, you said you'd have a mandate to implement your (bad) ideas. So Obama won in an electoral blowout, and you still have a mandate? WTF??????
Blue Owl
(50,383 posts)What a freakin' idiot.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)msongs
(67,407 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,633 posts)I barely got through that sentence without laughing at the absurdity of the statement.
Panasonic
(2,921 posts)Your precious Defense budget is now on the chopping block. All but 10% of it.
That should end Rethuglican's bite.
Also a new federal law will be passed to fix the Republican gerrymandering all over the United States and balance itself out by 2018.
Boehner has nothing. Absolutely nothing. He's history in 2014.
It will be by his own hands - and OFA's work on removing every single Republicans from future consideration for 2014, 2016, and 2018 to prevent gerrymandering again.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)sorry to say but I say little effort on the part of OFA to fight gerrymandering here in Ohio. Te constitutional amendment to rid us of gerrymandering for a long time was defeated almost 2 to 1. Maybe now OFA will open their eyes to imporetant issues such as getting fair elections and a democratic majority in the House of Representatives. They never fought that batle although many many of us activists tried to get them interested. Now we hear they want us to motivate people to support the President's legislative agenda. Missing the call to activists here, I haveno good idea what that woulkd be, but it would be great for the country if it included a reduction of gerrymandering.
sunwyn
(494 posts)Boehner ran unopposed in the past election and will likely run unopposed next election. The Dems just don't want to waste money in the 8th district with so many Republicans and right leaning voters here. I would love to turn my district Blue but I just don't see it happening anytime soon.
24601
(3,962 posts)primarily a state by state process?
http://redistrictingonline.org/redistlawreview.html
in other words, he still wants to be an obstructionist. Obamacare is not on any table and he is just blowing off smoke. States have an option to opt out at their own peril. Biehner needs to keep blowing off smoke at something he can't do anything about. The President just have them between a rock and hard place, like he has every where else. Taxes will be going up after December. If it goes up on the middleclass, hang it around Boehner's neck. He got till Christmas to chew on it.
grilled onions
(1,957 posts)and continue on with a pay cut plus No raises for THEIR wages. They talk so boldly when it's OURS but never when it's THEIRS!
chuckstevens
(1,201 posts)Unbelievable! However, in some ways this is good. I really want the GOP to keep being the delusional, obstructionist, asshole jerks we know. If they keep it up, they will get slaughtered again in 2014 and we may have a Democrat House and a filibuster-proof Senate.
Did they not learn ANYTHING from November 6, 2012?
AAO
(3,300 posts)Festivito
(13,452 posts)He speaking to his electorate but the election is over.
So I think he speaks to his powerful benefactors that they will get something in trade for the money they spent trying to reduce their taxes.
We may have to throw him a bone. But I don't care if we don't.
is not going to get any bone spouting out to the Cincinnati Enquirer. Don't miscalculate President Obama. He already did it before but Obama means business in his second term. He has nothing to lose laying the hammer down on the Republicans. Boehner is in Ohio too, not Alabama or Kentucky. If taxes go up on his constituencies, the Republicans will pay a huge price in the state of Ohio. They do have a Republican Governor and a Republican Senator. The Dems can just turn Ohio completely Blue. Ohio will be off the map for good for the Republican party.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)And, people forget, quickly.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)bamacrat
(3,867 posts)It would be the best from both sides....care for all, saves people money including the "job creators" and it would lower the deficit.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Like Boehner have learned nothing.They may have keep the house but Democrats won the election.Obama spanked Romney 51 to 47 and Democrats pick up 2 seats In Senate and 8 In the house.They can't have It be their way or highway anymore.
Obama Isn't going to cut his major domestic policy achievement.Boehner needs to accept reality.
Dubster
(427 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,633 posts)It should be obvious the majority of Americans approve of Obamacare.
These people have the resilience of the Energizer Bunny and more balls than a major league umpire.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)oh...and Happy Thanksgiving.
azbillyboy
(56 posts)....A vibrating double-headed dildo, a 55 gallon drum of bourbon, and three thousand gallons of spay-on tan; then tell him to go fuck himself.
God I am so sick of listening to that blubbering sack of shit whine (wine?) like a '74 Ford Pinto.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Go Cheney yourself.
Brother Buzz
(36,439 posts)LoisB
(7,206 posts)since the inception of both. Fifty years from now, they will still run political campaigns against Obamacare.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Why is it that we don't hear more about cutting "corporate" welfare programs? How about doing away with all of the perks congress gets? How about cutting subsidies for big corporate farms? How about making it the law that "ALL" income is subject to SS taxes no more caps? How about making congress take a pay cut, and pay for their own health insurance?
The idiot republicans in congress need to be removed, along with any democrat that can't find cuts without putting it all on the backs of the 99%!
wordpix
(18,652 posts)That is blasphemy to repukes!
dhill926
(16,339 posts)lady lib
(2,933 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,791 posts)I leave it to you fellow DUers to guess what FTS means.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)allan01
(1,950 posts)id love to see congress salaries on the chopping block even though it wont happen.
alp227
(32,025 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)And the CI was (30+ yrs ago) such a conservative leaning paper, with a decidedly conservative leaning audience. My ... How times have changed.
alp227
(32,025 posts)Cincy city mayors gave bem democrats since the mid 80s.
But currently a Republican named Steve Chabot serves for the US House district (OH-1) that includes the city. Conservative icon Robert Taft Jr was also elected by the district. Chabot first won election to the house in the 1994 Republican sweep, lost to a Democrat who rode Obama's coattails in 2008, and won back his old seat in the 2010 Tea party revolution.
Before 2008, CIN had a second daily paper, the post. Also had a right wing ed board and struggled against the enquirer.
Cha
(297,253 posts)AKA Fire.
Change has come
(2,372 posts)fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)The GOP has more to lose than Dems if we go off cliff. Time to jump!
lyingsackofmitt
(105 posts)go shove it!
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Boehner still believes that somehow, the 2012 elections were a "draw."
wiggs
(7,814 posts)not holding their end up in this debate over the last 3 years on things like this. This should be an easy case for dems to make so that the opposition party looks like idiots when they bring up arguments that make no sense. Dems have to add to the conversation so that everyone knows it's silly to suggest that ACA is on the chopping block, for at least two reasons:
1) ACA is paid for and does not add to the deficit. It would add to the deficit to repeal it.
2) Simple: republicans want to cut taxes to the bone then tailor spending accordingly (but don't really mind running up the deficit and blaming it on others). Dems should take the natural, opposite, economically-defensible position that governments FIRST determine needed spending levels, then TAILOR REVENUES TO MATCH SPENDING NEEDS. It's fine to evaluate programs to determine if they are needed and efficient...dems should have no problem with that, but ACA IS RECENTLY EVALUATED LAW ALREADY DETERMINED TO BE NECESSARY AND DESIRED. IT IS THE LAST PROGRAM THAT SHOULD BE ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK.
Makes me angry that pundits, journalists, and dems allow space for irrational arguments like this. Should be Mocked the way Zbignew slammed Senor on Morning Joe this morning.
julian09
(1,435 posts)Lefty Thinker
(96 posts)Government should first discern how much money is draining out of circulation to savings and net imports and set the deficit (or surplus) to that amount. After that, the government should decide what services are desirable and how much to pay for them. Finally, the government should set up the tax structure to produce the previously determined deficit (or surplus).
wordpix
(18,652 posts)They don't want to disturb the status quo of getting their fat campaign contributions.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)Thunderbeast
(3,411 posts)John Boehner is claiming a "split mandate" because the GOP still has a seventeen seat majority in the House of Representatives. He intends to use that power to continue the obstruction of government for at least two, and probably eight more years. Republicans have a safe majority ONLY because they have firm control of state legislatures in most red and many swing states. Re-districting after the 2010 elections was a process owned and controlled by Republican state legislators.
The ultimate irony here is that the result of that re-districting process will keep the GOP in the House majority EVEN THOUGH REPUBLICANS RECEIVED FEWER TOTAL VOTES in the 2012 election. The total count (according to the Daily KOS) was 53,952,240 Democratic to 53,402,643 Republican!
Taking back State Legislatures (which are also a product of partisan districting) must be a priority. Tom DeLay led the famous charge in 2004 to re-district Texas congressional districts as soon as they had a firm grasp on the state legislature. They boldly re-drew the map between the traditional ten year census intervals, thus grabbing six more "safe" Republican House seats.
The next political battle MUST be at the local level. If Democrats don't win local elections, minority advantage (for the GOP) will be enshrined for generations in the House of Representatives. The Electoral College already favors small rural states. Democrats must also work for a re-districting process that will make congressional seats and legislative seats more competitive.
If we don't, advances in the progressive agenda will be blocked at every turn.
tblue37
(65,377 posts)"OK, you won. Now here are our demands."
(I got this from someone quoted in a HuffPo article, but I don't remember who it was that said it originally.)
on point
(2,506 posts)truthisfreedom
(23,148 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,313 posts)ffs
barbtries
(28,795 posts)he must not even read the news. what an asshole.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)InsultComicDog
(1,209 posts)means no deal
loudsue
(14,087 posts)at least get some folks up in arms against this? And get it on the news???
mrsadm
(1,198 posts)The law has passed, the Supreme Court agreed with it, and the president won the election.
What gives them any right to be so obstructionist and harmful? ARGH
nobodyspecial
(2,286 posts)Elections have consequences. You aren't getting your way. Go cry.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)the american people rejected your party
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)"We're not taking health insurance away from 20 million Americans so that Boner can score political points"
wordpix
(18,652 posts)so get over it, Grand Old Pricks
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)they've never met me or a lot of liberals who feel like I do. I'm fucking LIVID at their idiocy. Enough is enough. They remind me of my daughter when she was 2, except they're much worse.
lastlib
(23,238 posts)We'll do it the President's way.
(you orange f*ckwad)
patrice
(47,992 posts)about DIRECT care givers here) if they don't get what they want.
There's some FAT salaries at stake out there, so there's some people who have indebted themselves based upon those salaries and they WILL GO ALL OF THE WAY for themselves, because it is so very very very easy to obscure what happens to those numbers on those spreadsheets, I mean, easy to obscure what happens TO PEOPLE because of what these RISK MANAGERS do. Watch for RIFs in already minimal staffing, weird Weird WEIRD scheduling, cutting all kinds of corners, you name it. There's a whole INDUSTRY of consultants out there ready willing eager and able to help the number-crunchers to trick CMS. Screw the people in those beds. They'll bless them, cry, and sing them sweetly off into the hereafter as soon as possible.
BOOMERS and boomer families BEWARE!!!!
Boehner et al = DEATH PANELS.
The disabled and elders of this country are going to be held hostage by the Republican party and as Republicans have so eagerly and CLEARLY demonstrated in the past, as long as it's someone else doing the dying, that's all fine and glorious, hallelujah amen!
adieu
(1,009 posts)That was a good joke, Boehner! Tell us another joke!
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)the infrastructure is already in place!
Hestia
(3,818 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)apnu
(8,756 posts)Really? Shouldn't someone notify Apple, the NYSE, Exxon-Mobil and BP please?
He's such a douche.
eringer
(460 posts)Adios two party system
wordpix
(18,652 posts)lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)Fuck Boehner and the orange horse he rode in on. These guys have a lot of nerve!
AAO
(3,300 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,116 posts)Boehner's adversary isn't Obama.
It's Cantor, who wants the Speaker's seat.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)I think it is time we use that phrase and turn it around on them.
2Design
(9,099 posts)while they keep their large salaries, COLA raises, and benefits up the wazu - they are vile dirt
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)Between my husband and I, we will be paying more taxes even if those making less than $250k get a tax relief and we don't. And, I ain't complaining about it. Let's do a Thelma and Louis and drive right off the cliff. The 99% backlash against the 'pugs will be brutal!!
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)That is a serious charge so one would expect Boehner to detail what those "massive expenses" are. The CBO score shows that it actually is fully paid for and indeed will help reduce the deficit. I guess Boehner is just looking to get his butt kicked, like Romney.
They_Live
(3,233 posts)make the rich pay for their wars.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Go sit on an umbrella, open it, and then spin yourself around on it for a few hours. Have a nice day.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)NYtoBush-Drop Dead
(490 posts)Time for the Obama Machine to find candidates for the WEEPER of the House's seat and Bachman and every dumb ass repug that thinks they can bully the American people. Start running ads now and throw their asses out in 2 years. Make every republican a RELIC.
mark eagledove
(76 posts)Why o why does anyone give any Re-blame-ican the benefit of the doubt? They lie 24/7.
trouble.smith
(374 posts)for the ensuing austerity.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Obama, Dems and the majority of people want and vote for.
Good try to say, "Both parties are responsible" but does not work here.
trouble.smith
(374 posts)TomCADem
(17,387 posts)The 112th House Passed A Bill To Repeal HCR 33 Times. What about the 113th?
wordpix
(18,652 posts)black man out of the WH if it's the last thing he does! F-ing mo
Kennah
(14,270 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)If you have a boner more than 4 hours, you should see a d octor.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Hekate
(90,704 posts)The schmucks in the GOP are just going to keep on with their agenda. So it behooves us all to have President Obama's back, just as in his first term.
Just because Boehner is making his list for Santa Claus doesn't mean he's going to get what he wants.