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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:39 PM Nov 2012

Boehner Wants Obamacare On The Chopping Block In Debt Negotiations

Source: TPM



SAHIL KAPUR 10:27 AM EST, WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 21, 2012

In a new op-ed for the Cincinnati Enquirer, House Speaker John Boehner argues that the Affordable Care Act should be on the table for cuts in a deficit reduction deal.

He writes:

The president’s health care law adds a massive, expensive, unworkable government program at a time when our national debt already exceeds the size of our country’s entire economy. We can’t afford it, and we can’t afford to leave it intact. That’s why I’ve been clear that the law has to stay on the table as both parties discuss ways to solve our nation’s massive debt challenge.

The Ohio Republican also promises to use his House majority to go after Obamacare through the oversight process, mentioning recent efforts by the Ways and Means Committee to probe whether the administration is using taxpayer funds inappropriately when it comes to the health care law.

Over the past couple of years, I have noted there are essentially three major routes to repeal of the president’s law: the courts, the presidential election process and the congressional oversight process. With two of those three routes having come up short, the third and final one becomes more important than ever.

Vigorous oversight of the health care law by the House can be expected and, in fact, is already under way.


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Link to Boehner's Op-Ed:
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121121/EDIT02/311210016/House-GOP-angling-repeal-health-care?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cp&nclick_check=1
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Boehner Wants Obamacare On The Chopping Block In Debt Negotiations (Original Post) DonViejo Nov 2012 OP
Delusional son of a bitch forgets his place and the fact that they FUCKING LOST!!!! Ecumenist Nov 2012 #1
His "place" is two heartbeats from the Presidency and the senior person in the US Government 24601 Nov 2012 #86
I'm talking about BOEHNER & I know the history of my comment being being used as a racial slur... Ecumenist Nov 2012 #110
What? I'm supposed to recognize you because you overuse Caps Lock? Fresh out of free passes 24601 Nov 2012 #111
WTF?!! You're the idiot who accused me of drawing the race card when I was referring to BOEHNER Ecumenist Nov 2012 #121
i want to be thin. neither will happen. roguevalley Nov 2012 #91
No comment Gregorian Nov 2012 #2
Me too John. We'll replace it with Medicare for All, including dental, optical and hearing services Scuba Nov 2012 #3
+mental justabob Nov 2012 #44
Agreed. I'm remiss. Thanks. Scuba Nov 2012 #55
Absolutely! loudsue Nov 2012 #48
+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #49
Wonderful idea. Bernie Sanders really wants the dental. aquart Nov 2012 #53
YUP. Obama has outfoxed the awipes on the right once again graham4anything Nov 2012 #58
+ 1 ..n/t rsweets Nov 2012 #78
With a free genitalia wash with every urology exam! AAO Nov 2012 #71
Huh? Are you suggesting my position is unrealistic? Or am I reading too much into your post? Scuba Nov 2012 #72
Just baiting the republican trolls! I know you're not one, Scuba!! AAO Nov 2012 #74
you want I should kick troll-baiting AAO ass, Scuba? Skittles Nov 2012 #104
LOL I think AAO is AOK, but thanks, Sweetie. Scuba Nov 2012 #107
I'm not a troll AAO Nov 2012 #112
aw no AAO Skittles Nov 2012 #115
Whew! AAO Nov 2012 #116
YEE HAW! Skittles Nov 2012 #117
This is beyond thrilling, now stop! AAO Nov 2012 #118
Just anticipating the next R/W talking point. I should have been more clear. AAO Nov 2012 #113
They want to get rid of subsidies to the takers flamingdem Nov 2012 #103
That ozone_man Nov 2012 #119
Using some of that "political clout" your party just won?????? MaynardGeeKrebs Nov 2012 #4
Mr. Boner, what is your major malfunction? Blue Owl Nov 2012 #5
No. Just. No. eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #6
Obama has already said he is willing to give in, so repubs are upping the demands nt msongs Nov 2012 #7
Yeah... If Obama hadn't mentioned compromise the Repubs would fall in line. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #23
Request denied. Panasonic Nov 2012 #8
OFA and gerrymandering daybranch Nov 2012 #40
We got totally screwed here in Ohio on gerrymandering. sunwyn Nov 2012 #75
"... a new federal law will be passed...?" How do you infer that, especially since redistricting is 24601 Nov 2012 #120
So John2 Nov 2012 #9
Let's Start With HIS Healthcare.... grilled onions Nov 2012 #10
FUCK YOU! chuckstevens Nov 2012 #11
NOT ONE FUCKING THING! It's almost unfathomable!! AAO Nov 2012 #73
I think he may want the fiscal cliff. Festivito Nov 2012 #12
He John2 Nov 2012 #19
OTOH, Boener can raise taxes and blame Obama and Democrats. Festivito Nov 2012 #108
Boehner can want a magic pony too, but he still won't get it. n/t Indi Guy Nov 2012 #13
Only if we get single payer instead. Best to put Boehner on the chopping block. nt valerief Nov 2012 #14
I would be down for that. bamacrat Nov 2012 #20
Republicans Robbins Nov 2012 #15
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) Dubster Nov 2012 #16
Well, since they won the election, I guess we have t.... Hey! JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #17
Uh, Mr. Boner...FUCK NO! SoapBox Nov 2012 #18
Give This Son Of A Bitch... azbillyboy Nov 2012 #21
Hey Boner Politicalboi Nov 2012 #22
You just keep thinking, Butch. That's what you're good at. Brother Buzz Nov 2012 #24
They never give up. The Republicans have been trying to destroy Social Security and Medicare LoisB Nov 2012 #25
How about chopping big oil tax breaks and subsidies? Andy823 Nov 2012 #26
are you kidding? Cut subsidies to Big OilNukesPharmaInsurance? wordpix Nov 2012 #97
fuck that.......n/t dhill926 Nov 2012 #27
What dhill926 said......n/t lady lib Nov 2012 #45
Big fat FTS on that, Bonehead. DinahMoeHum Nov 2012 #28
+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #61
re:Boehner Wants Obamacare On The Chopping Block In Debt Negotiations allan01 Nov 2012 #29
The comments section at Cincinnati.com overwhelmingly anti boehner! alp227 Nov 2012 #30
Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #59
Cincinnati area is conservative leaning is it? alp227 Nov 2012 #94
thanks for that, alps. boner's playing with People's Health.. Cha Nov 2012 #76
K & R Change has come Nov 2012 #31
Screw Them fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #32
Hey boner lyingsackofmitt Nov 2012 #33
Not surprised. YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #34
I expect gop to act in reprehensible ways like this. However, I blame dems for wiggs Nov 2012 #35
Boehner is playing to the insurance industry julian09 Nov 2012 #69
Actually Lefty Thinker Nov 2012 #80
it's b/c Dems are beholden to banks, Wall St, BigPharma, BigInsurance... wordpix Nov 2012 #98
Does GOP stand for Greedy Obstructive Pricks. If so, he exemplifies his party. olddad56 Nov 2012 #36
State races MATTER! Republicans got FEWER total Congressional votes in 2012 Thunderbeast Nov 2012 #37
Here's the typical Republican response: tblue37 Nov 2012 #38
Want to save some big time money? Implement SINGLE PAYER available to all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on point Nov 2012 #39
And I want Boehner on the chopping block. truthisfreedom Nov 2012 #41
Obamacare REDUCES the deficit Qutzupalotl Nov 2012 #42
he's out of his mind. barbtries Nov 2012 #43
he did not even factor in the election. Then again, he's paid by Kocheads to say this BS wordpix Nov 2012 #100
that right there InsultComicDog Nov 2012 #46
What district that this ass hat represent? Can't dems get his constituents to issue a recall or loudsue Nov 2012 #47
This makes me SO ANGRY!!! mrsadm Nov 2012 #50
WE WON! nobodyspecial Nov 2012 #51
hey boner.... madrchsod Nov 2012 #52
Simple meme to repeat verbatim Doctor_J Nov 2012 #54
simpler meme: Elections mean something and you lost wordpix Nov 2012 #99
If conservatives think they're angry... liberalmuse Nov 2012 #56
Denied. Man up, Boinger, your side LOST!! lastlib Nov 2012 #57
MARK MY WORDS: The people backing him will take it out on those in their "care" (and I'm NOT talking patrice Nov 2012 #60
Hahahahahahahah!!! adieu Nov 2012 #62
Great! Medicare for all, then. Sounds like a fair compromise. Would cut costs dramatically and emsimon33 Nov 2012 #63
You know what they say about wanting in one hand... Hestia Nov 2012 #64
I think he's snorting self-tanner again LynneSin Nov 2012 #65
Our debt is larger than our economy? apnu Nov 2012 #66
Looks like the House will turn blue in 2014 eringer Nov 2012 #67
yeah, time to work on that next wordpix Nov 2012 #101
You've got to be kidding me lillypaddle Nov 2012 #68
Too much absurdity for one day.. I'm gonna break! AAO Nov 2012 #70
You guys don't get it. no_hypocrisy Nov 2012 #77
Yeah...no /nt Ash_F Nov 2012 #79
Alcoholic control freak graywarrior Nov 2012 #81
I recall Reagan in 1980 accusing Democrats of "Trying to thwart the will of the people" Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #82
how much more money will they waste trying to take away something from the people 2Design Nov 2012 #83
You know,,, Sophiegirl Nov 2012 #84
What "Massive Expense"? DallasNE Nov 2012 #85
screw that They_Live Nov 2012 #87
I've got a better idea Boner... Downtown Hound Nov 2012 #88
Learning from the BEST, eh Boehner ???!!! tomm2thumbs Nov 2012 #89
These mother fuckers just don't get it. NYtoBush-Drop Dead Nov 2012 #90
I thought the ACA was "the law of the land"? mark eagledove Nov 2012 #92
The 2 parties will find a way to go over the cliff while being able to reasonably blame one another trouble.smith Nov 2012 #93
yeah right, blame Dems equally when it's repukes obstructing whatever it is wordpix Nov 2012 #102
I didn't say that. trouble.smith Nov 2012 #105
Will the RW Fringe Break The Last Congress's Record For Trying To Repeal HCR? TomCADem Nov 2012 #95
"probe whether the administration is using taxpayer funds inappropriately." Boner's gonna get that wordpix Nov 2012 #96
Then hang onto the door handle, Mr. Boner, as I press down on the accelerator over this "cliff" Kennah Nov 2012 #106
Really Sir ... GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #109
Looks like the do nothing congress will be at it again for four more years. sarcasmo Nov 2012 #114
Boner is just posturing for the tea party. n/t Lil Missy Nov 2012 #122
No surprise there, right? Hekate Nov 2012 #123
Want in one had and shit in the other bonehead...nt and-justice-for-all Nov 2012 #124

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
1. Delusional son of a bitch forgets his place and the fact that they FUCKING LOST!!!!
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:41 PM
Nov 2012

I'm ready to jump off the cliff, Barack. Got my parachute ready...

24601

(3,962 posts)
86. His "place" is two heartbeats from the Presidency and the senior person in the US Government
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:54 PM
Nov 2012

in the Congressional body from which, according to the Constitution" all tax bills must originate.

Co-equal branches of government does not place the President over the Speaker and does not place the Speaker over the President.

If the United States goes off the "fiscal cliff" only party comes from Defense - a huge portion slashes social spending.

Knowing one's place has a long history of being a racial slur and has no place on DU.

Edit for quotation mark in Reply title


Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
110. I'm talking about BOEHNER & I know the history of my comment being being used as a racial slur...
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:38 AM
Nov 2012

being that I'M BLACK! Apparently, you don't know who I am. NEW HERE? If we go off the CURB or SLOPE, it's not going to be the catastrophe that certain parties are trying to be gin it up to be. IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE MITIGATED AND REVERSED, (ALSO BACKDATED), as long as it's taken care of before the end of January.

24601

(3,962 posts)
111. What? I'm supposed to recognize you because you overuse Caps Lock? Fresh out of free passes
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:53 PM
Nov 2012

for screamers and race card players.



Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
121. WTF?!! You're the idiot who accused me of drawing the race card when I was referring to BOEHNER
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:33 AM
Nov 2012

as forgetting his place as the leader of the losing side in this election. You just didn't know I was black before you assumed something that was completely idiotic, without taking time to READ WHAT I POSTED. NEVER brought of anything regarding race, (BTW, THERE IS ONLY 1 RACE, Human) until you made that assinine comment about regarding racist code having no place on DU. Remember how to read AND comprehend, cuz DAMN! SMDH

Oh, I used caps so that EVEN YOU can understand what I meant and one more thing. Since WHEN has the racist dog whistle of "knowing one's place" EVER been applied to white folks? Because an inquiring world wants to know. And because I understand that you have issues with comprehension, take your time...I'LL WAIT...

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
3. Me too John. We'll replace it with Medicare for All, including dental, optical and hearing services
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:42 PM
Nov 2012

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
48. Absolutely!
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:40 PM
Nov 2012

Or make the public option so cheap it puts all the health insurance companies out of business.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
58. YUP. Obama has outfoxed the awipes on the right once again
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:58 PM
Nov 2012

It is humorous, only thing I hate is so many on our side don't see it.

Roped the dopes again.

Too bad we can't have him as President forever. No one in our lifetime will ever be 1/2 as good.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
72. Huh? Are you suggesting my position is unrealistic? Or am I reading too much into your post?
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:28 PM
Nov 2012
 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
112. I'm not a troll
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 06:44 PM
Nov 2012

I guess I have a unique sense of humor, or maybe I need a sarcasm tag. I do think the lack of facial expressions makes my humor hard to understand sometimes. I apologize to anyone I offended.

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
115. aw no AAO
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 07:24 PM
Nov 2012

I said TROLL BAITER, which is how you kinda referred to yourself. I knew you were kidding, and I am kidding too!

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
103. They want to get rid of subsidies to the takers
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:43 AM
Nov 2012

and they cannot stand the idea of the freedom and peace of mind that Obamacare will bring about .. so to their side any cuts would be a psychological win, anything..

MaynardGeeKrebs

(31 posts)
4. Using some of that "political clout" your party just won??????
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:43 PM
Nov 2012

Lets see, when you were predicting Mittens would get over 300 electroral votes, you said you'd have a mandate to implement your (bad) ideas. So Obama won in an electoral blowout, and you still have a mandate? WTF??????

JohnnyRingo

(18,633 posts)
23. Yeah... If Obama hadn't mentioned compromise the Repubs would fall in line.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:07 PM
Nov 2012

I barely got through that sentence without laughing at the absurdity of the statement.

 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
8. Request denied.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:48 PM
Nov 2012

Your precious Defense budget is now on the chopping block. All but 10% of it.

That should end Rethuglican's bite.

Also a new federal law will be passed to fix the Republican gerrymandering all over the United States and balance itself out by 2018.

Boehner has nothing. Absolutely nothing. He's history in 2014.

It will be by his own hands - and OFA's work on removing every single Republicans from future consideration for 2014, 2016, and 2018 to prevent gerrymandering again.



daybranch

(1,309 posts)
40. OFA and gerrymandering
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:12 PM
Nov 2012

sorry to say but I say little effort on the part of OFA to fight gerrymandering here in Ohio. Te constitutional amendment to rid us of gerrymandering for a long time was defeated almost 2 to 1. Maybe now OFA will open their eyes to imporetant issues such as getting fair elections and a democratic majority in the House of Representatives. They never fought that batle although many many of us activists tried to get them interested. Now we hear they want us to motivate people to support the President's legislative agenda. Missing the call to activists here, I haveno good idea what that woulkd be, but it would be great for the country if it included a reduction of gerrymandering.

sunwyn

(494 posts)
75. We got totally screwed here in Ohio on gerrymandering.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:30 PM
Nov 2012

Boehner ran unopposed in the past election and will likely run unopposed next election. The Dems just don't want to waste money in the 8th district with so many Republicans and right leaning voters here. I would love to turn my district Blue but I just don't see it happening anytime soon.

24601

(3,962 posts)
120. "... a new federal law will be passed...?" How do you infer that, especially since redistricting is
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:56 AM
Nov 2012

primarily a state by state process?

http://redistrictingonline.org/redistlawreview.html

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
9. So
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:48 PM
Nov 2012

in other words, he still wants to be an obstructionist. Obamacare is not on any table and he is just blowing off smoke. States have an option to opt out at their own peril. Biehner needs to keep blowing off smoke at something he can't do anything about. The President just have them between a rock and hard place, like he has every where else. Taxes will be going up after December. If it goes up on the middleclass, hang it around Boehner's neck. He got till Christmas to chew on it.

grilled onions

(1,957 posts)
10. Let's Start With HIS Healthcare....
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:50 PM
Nov 2012

and continue on with a pay cut plus No raises for THEIR wages. They talk so boldly when it's OURS but never when it's THEIRS!

 

chuckstevens

(1,201 posts)
11. FUCK YOU!
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:51 PM
Nov 2012

Unbelievable! However, in some ways this is good. I really want the GOP to keep being the delusional, obstructionist, asshole jerks we know. If they keep it up, they will get slaughtered again in 2014 and we may have a Democrat House and a filibuster-proof Senate.

Did they not learn ANYTHING from November 6, 2012?

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
12. I think he may want the fiscal cliff.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:56 PM
Nov 2012

He speaking to his electorate but the election is over.

So I think he speaks to his powerful benefactors that they will get something in trade for the money they spent trying to reduce their taxes.

We may have to throw him a bone. But I don't care if we don't.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
19. He
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:04 PM
Nov 2012

is not going to get any bone spouting out to the Cincinnati Enquirer. Don't miscalculate President Obama. He already did it before but Obama means business in his second term. He has nothing to lose laying the hammer down on the Republicans. Boehner is in Ohio too, not Alabama or Kentucky. If taxes go up on his constituencies, the Republicans will pay a huge price in the state of Ohio. They do have a Republican Governor and a Republican Senator. The Dems can just turn Ohio completely Blue. Ohio will be off the map for good for the Republican party.

bamacrat

(3,867 posts)
20. I would be down for that.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:05 PM
Nov 2012

It would be the best from both sides....care for all, saves people money including the "job creators" and it would lower the deficit.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
15. Republicans
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:01 PM
Nov 2012

Like Boehner have learned nothing.They may have keep the house but Democrats won the election.Obama spanked Romney 51 to 47 and Democrats pick up 2 seats In Senate and 8 In the house.They can't have It be their way or highway anymore.

Obama Isn't going to cut his major domestic policy achievement.Boehner needs to accept reality.

JohnnyRingo

(18,633 posts)
17. Well, since they won the election, I guess we have t.... Hey!
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:04 PM
Nov 2012

It should be obvious the majority of Americans approve of Obamacare.

These people have the resilience of the Energizer Bunny and more balls than a major league umpire.

azbillyboy

(56 posts)
21. Give This Son Of A Bitch...
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:06 PM
Nov 2012

....A vibrating double-headed dildo, a 55 gallon drum of bourbon, and three thousand gallons of spay-on tan; then tell him to go fuck himself.
God I am so sick of listening to that blubbering sack of shit whine (wine?) like a '74 Ford Pinto.

LoisB

(7,206 posts)
25. They never give up. The Republicans have been trying to destroy Social Security and Medicare
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:07 PM
Nov 2012

since the inception of both. Fifty years from now, they will still run political campaigns against Obamacare.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
26. How about chopping big oil tax breaks and subsidies?
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:09 PM
Nov 2012

Why is it that we don't hear more about cutting "corporate" welfare programs? How about doing away with all of the perks congress gets? How about cutting subsidies for big corporate farms? How about making it the law that "ALL" income is subject to SS taxes no more caps? How about making congress take a pay cut, and pay for their own health insurance?

The idiot republicans in congress need to be removed, along with any democrat that can't find cuts without putting it all on the backs of the 99%!

allan01

(1,950 posts)
29. re:Boehner Wants Obamacare On The Chopping Block In Debt Negotiations
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:22 PM
Nov 2012

id love to see congress salaries on the chopping block even though it wont happen.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
59. Wow ...
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:00 PM
Nov 2012

And the CI was (30+ yrs ago) such a conservative leaning paper, with a decidedly conservative leaning audience. My ... How times have changed.

alp227

(32,025 posts)
94. Cincinnati area is conservative leaning is it?
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:10 PM
Nov 2012

Cincy city mayors gave bem democrats since the mid 80s.

But currently a Republican named Steve Chabot serves for the US House district (OH-1) that includes the city. Conservative icon Robert Taft Jr was also elected by the district. Chabot first won election to the house in the 1994 Republican sweep, lost to a Democrat who rode Obama's coattails in 2008, and won back his old seat in the 2010 Tea party revolution.

Before 2008, CIN had a second daily paper, the post. Also had a right wing ed board and struggled against the enquirer.

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
35. I expect gop to act in reprehensible ways like this. However, I blame dems for
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:50 PM
Nov 2012

not holding their end up in this debate over the last 3 years on things like this. This should be an easy case for dems to make so that the opposition party looks like idiots when they bring up arguments that make no sense. Dems have to add to the conversation so that everyone knows it's silly to suggest that ACA is on the chopping block, for at least two reasons:

1) ACA is paid for and does not add to the deficit. It would add to the deficit to repeal it.

2) Simple: republicans want to cut taxes to the bone then tailor spending accordingly (but don't really mind running up the deficit and blaming it on others). Dems should take the natural, opposite, economically-defensible position that governments FIRST determine needed spending levels, then TAILOR REVENUES TO MATCH SPENDING NEEDS. It's fine to evaluate programs to determine if they are needed and efficient...dems should have no problem with that, but ACA IS RECENTLY EVALUATED LAW ALREADY DETERMINED TO BE NECESSARY AND DESIRED. IT IS THE LAST PROGRAM THAT SHOULD BE ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK.

Makes me angry that pundits, journalists, and dems allow space for irrational arguments like this. Should be Mocked the way Zbignew slammed Senor on Morning Joe this morning.

Lefty Thinker

(96 posts)
80. Actually
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:52 PM
Nov 2012

Government should first discern how much money is draining out of circulation to savings and net imports and set the deficit (or surplus) to that amount. After that, the government should decide what services are desirable and how much to pay for them. Finally, the government should set up the tax structure to produce the previously determined deficit (or surplus).

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
98. it's b/c Dems are beholden to banks, Wall St, BigPharma, BigInsurance...
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:05 AM
Nov 2012

They don't want to disturb the status quo of getting their fat campaign contributions.

Thunderbeast

(3,411 posts)
37. State races MATTER! Republicans got FEWER total Congressional votes in 2012
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:56 PM
Nov 2012

John Boehner is claiming a "split mandate" because the GOP still has a seventeen seat majority in the House of Representatives. He intends to use that power to continue the obstruction of government for at least two, and probably eight more years. Republicans have a safe majority ONLY because they have firm control of state legislatures in most red and many swing states. Re-districting after the 2010 elections was a process owned and controlled by Republican state legislators.

The ultimate irony here is that the result of that re-districting process will keep the GOP in the House majority EVEN THOUGH REPUBLICANS RECEIVED FEWER TOTAL VOTES in the 2012 election. The total count (according to the Daily KOS) was 53,952,240 Democratic to 53,402,643 Republican!

Taking back State Legislatures (which are also a product of partisan districting) must be a priority. Tom DeLay led the famous charge in 2004 to re-district Texas congressional districts as soon as they had a firm grasp on the state legislature. They boldly re-drew the map between the traditional ten year census intervals, thus grabbing six more "safe" Republican House seats.

The next political battle MUST be at the local level. If Democrats don't win local elections, minority advantage (for the GOP) will be enshrined for generations in the House of Representatives. The Electoral College already favors small rural states. Democrats must also work for a re-districting process that will make congressional seats and legislative seats more competitive.

If we don't, advances in the progressive agenda will be blocked at every turn.

tblue37

(65,377 posts)
38. Here's the typical Republican response:
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:03 PM
Nov 2012

"OK, you won. Now here are our demands."

(I got this from someone quoted in a HuffPo article, but I don't remember who it was that said it originally.)

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
47. What district that this ass hat represent? Can't dems get his constituents to issue a recall or
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:37 PM
Nov 2012

at least get some folks up in arms against this? And get it on the news???

mrsadm

(1,198 posts)
50. This makes me SO ANGRY!!!
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:48 PM
Nov 2012


The law has passed, the Supreme Court agreed with it, and the president won the election.

What gives them any right to be so obstructionist and harmful? ARGH
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
54. Simple meme to repeat verbatim
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:54 PM
Nov 2012

"We're not taking health insurance away from 20 million Americans so that Boner can score political points"

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
56. If conservatives think they're angry...
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:55 PM
Nov 2012

they've never met me or a lot of liberals who feel like I do. I'm fucking LIVID at their idiocy. Enough is enough. They remind me of my daughter when she was 2, except they're much worse.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
60. MARK MY WORDS: The people backing him will take it out on those in their "care" (and I'm NOT talking
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:01 PM
Nov 2012

about DIRECT care givers here) if they don't get what they want.

There's some FAT salaries at stake out there, so there's some people who have indebted themselves based upon those salaries and they WILL GO ALL OF THE WAY for themselves, because it is so very very very easy to obscure what happens to those numbers on those spreadsheets, I mean, easy to obscure what happens TO PEOPLE because of what these RISK MANAGERS do. Watch for RIFs in already minimal staffing, weird Weird WEIRD scheduling, cutting all kinds of corners, you name it. There's a whole INDUSTRY of consultants out there ready willing eager and able to help the number-crunchers to trick CMS. Screw the people in those beds. They'll bless them, cry, and sing them sweetly off into the hereafter as soon as possible.

BOOMERS and boomer families BEWARE!!!!

Boehner et al = DEATH PANELS.

The disabled and elders of this country are going to be held hostage by the Republican party and as Republicans have so eagerly and CLEARLY demonstrated in the past, as long as it's someone else doing the dying, that's all fine and glorious, hallelujah amen!


emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
63. Great! Medicare for all, then. Sounds like a fair compromise. Would cut costs dramatically and
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:07 PM
Nov 2012

the infrastructure is already in place!

apnu

(8,756 posts)
66. Our debt is larger than our economy?
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:14 PM
Nov 2012

Really? Shouldn't someone notify Apple, the NYSE, Exxon-Mobil and BP please?




He's such a douche.

lillypaddle

(9,580 posts)
68. You've got to be kidding me
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:23 PM
Nov 2012

Fuck Boehner and the orange horse he rode in on. These guys have a lot of nerve!

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
82. I recall Reagan in 1980 accusing Democrats of "Trying to thwart the will of the people"
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:56 PM
Nov 2012

I think it is time we use that phrase and turn it around on them.

2Design

(9,099 posts)
83. how much more money will they waste trying to take away something from the people
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:26 PM
Nov 2012

while they keep their large salaries, COLA raises, and benefits up the wazu - they are vile dirt

Sophiegirl

(2,338 posts)
84. You know,,,
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:34 PM
Nov 2012

Between my husband and I, we will be paying more taxes even if those making less than $250k get a tax relief and we don't. And, I ain't complaining about it. Let's do a Thelma and Louis and drive right off the cliff. The 99% backlash against the 'pugs will be brutal!!

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
85. What "Massive Expense"?
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:41 PM
Nov 2012

That is a serious charge so one would expect Boehner to detail what those "massive expenses" are. The CBO score shows that it actually is fully paid for and indeed will help reduce the deficit. I guess Boehner is just looking to get his butt kicked, like Romney.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
88. I've got a better idea Boner...
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:30 PM
Nov 2012

Go sit on an umbrella, open it, and then spin yourself around on it for a few hours. Have a nice day.

NYtoBush-Drop Dead

(490 posts)
90. These mother fuckers just don't get it.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:44 PM
Nov 2012

Time for the Obama Machine to find candidates for the WEEPER of the House's seat and Bachman and every dumb ass repug that thinks they can bully the American people. Start running ads now and throw their asses out in 2 years. Make every republican a RELIC.

mark eagledove

(76 posts)
92. I thought the ACA was "the law of the land"?
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:45 PM
Nov 2012

Why o why does anyone give any Re-blame-ican the benefit of the doubt? They lie 24/7.

 

trouble.smith

(374 posts)
93. The 2 parties will find a way to go over the cliff while being able to reasonably blame one another
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:26 PM
Nov 2012

for the ensuing austerity.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
102. yeah right, blame Dems equally when it's repukes obstructing whatever it is
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:13 AM
Nov 2012

Obama, Dems and the majority of people want and vote for.

Good try to say, "Both parties are responsible" but does not work here.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
95. Will the RW Fringe Break The Last Congress's Record For Trying To Repeal HCR?
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:49 AM
Nov 2012

The 112th House Passed A Bill To Repeal HCR 33 Times. What about the 113th?

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
96. "probe whether the administration is using taxpayer funds inappropriately." Boner's gonna get that
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:59 AM
Nov 2012

black man out of the WH if it's the last thing he does! F-ing mo

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
123. No surprise there, right?
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 04:31 AM
Nov 2012

The schmucks in the GOP are just going to keep on with their agenda. So it behooves us all to have President Obama's back, just as in his first term.

Just because Boehner is making his list for Santa Claus doesn't mean he's going to get what he wants.

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