Red States Are Coming For No-Fault Divorce
Source: crooksandliars.com
Republican legislatures looking at banning no-fault divorce. Wonder how many of them are on wife number two or three?
March 22, 2024
by Marcia Zug
First comes love, then comes marriage so goes the classic childrens rhyme. But not everyone agrees. Increasingly, the idea that love is the most important reason to marry or at least to stay married is under attack. Republican pundits and lawmakers have been pushing back on the availability of no-fault divorce, challenging the idea that not being in love is a valid reason to end a marriage.
Speaking as a professor of family law, I know such views arent new. Zsa Zsa Gabor once quipped, Getting divorced just because you dont love a man is almost as silly as getting married just because you do. But while Gabor was probably joking, the Republican attack on divorce is serious.
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For most of U.S. history, getting a divorce was difficult. Many states banned it entirely, while others permitted it only under limited circumstances typically cruelty, desertion or adultery. Unhappily married couples who couldnt prove such faults were effectively stuck..............................
Crowder isnt alone in such criticisms: Divorce has become a hot topic among many red-state Republican lawmakers. Most recently, in January 2024, Oklahoma lawmaker Dusty Deevers proposed a bill to eliminate no-fault divorce and suggested public shaming of spouses who commit marital fault and then divorce. Restricting no-fault divorce is also part of both the Texas and Nebraska Republican Party platforms, and was recently debated by Louisiana lawmakers.......................
Read more: https://crooksandliars.com/2024/03/red-states-are-coming-no-fault-divorce
spooky3
(35,601 posts)Since they are the ones who initiate divorce in most cases.
Republican men cant stand the thought of improving themselves and their behavior in order to keep their spouses happy.
PortTack
(34,007 posts)Required to support their off spring regardless of marriage. And, if in the end, it doesnt work out it saves a lot of pain, hurt and money!
Just have strong contracts if buying property
MichMan
(12,616 posts)Of those, only 60% of what is owed is actually collected
https://www.verywellfamily.com/us-child-support-statistics-2997994
PortTack
(34,007 posts)no_hypocrisy
(48,076 posts)Before NF Divorce, women used to be killed by their husbands (more than today). This situation was monikered with "Virginia Divorce".
Traildogbob
(9,632 posts)Seems like repubs are the multiple wife caucus. MTG, Boebert coulda been forced to stay married, Trump, Gingrich, big trifectas. And Melania may get stuck with this lard ass after he loses everything,
Bet she is not on board with this shit.Jr heading for number two. (Which must include no breeding clause)
VGNonly
(7,618 posts)of Rudy G.
Hassler
(3,520 posts)GopherGal
(2,250 posts)in some states. With homicide the leading cause of death for pregnant women in the US.
Hekate
(93,581 posts)For all those men who resent competition from women in school, university, and the workplace well, that will take care of 51% of their competitors. Just like that. No birth control, no right to get out of an awful marriage, utter dependence on someone else.
And if that someone else is an emotional wreck, the awful marriage will include phrases like, Pregnant, again?! Thats all you know how to do is get pregnant! (Yes, I actually overheard a guy say that to his wife. Its one of many reasons I never want to live in an apartment complex again)
Lets check in on those Afghan girls who were doing so great in school and business while we Americans were still there. Oh, gosh. The Taliban has them out of school at age 12 and out of the workplace entirely.
calimary
(83,458 posts)MOMFUDSKI
(7,080 posts)We are voting in huge numbers. We are voting for our freedom.
SergeStorms
(19,259 posts)"When your enemy is making a mistake, don't interrupt him."
Give these backward idiots enough rope to hang themselves. They're still living in the 19th century, what they consider the halcyon days of life in America. 🤪
ZonkerHarris
(25,039 posts)Hekate
(93,581 posts)Demobrat
(9,609 posts)women refuse to have sex with them or get married.
flashman13
(835 posts)mercuryblues
(14,786 posts)They don't own any of us.
They want to go back to pre-civil war days.
calimary
(83,458 posts)Or worse, that THIS is the day and age when women can freely express themselves, whether as political activists or office-holders, or artists, or scientists, or inventors, or doctors, or anything that used to be men-only (except for bathrooms) in times gone by. And for some men, that's a problem. But it actually means the problem is with THEM, and their refusal to learn or evolve. Not us.
melm00se
(5,042 posts)quicky Reno divorces and quicky Mexican divorces.
Reno was the world capital of divorces and Mexico didn't require either or both spouses to appear it could all be done via lawyer proxies.
markodochartaigh
(1,708 posts)Do they have annulments like the Catholic church? Selling annulments might be a big revenue generator for megachurches.
NanaCat
(2,332 posts)They have zero control over the legal issues surrounding marriage and divorce; the officiant matter at a wedding is a stupid formality that doesn't require a religious official to fulfill--courthouse wedding anyone?
A religious marriage or divorce without state backing is by its nature 100% null and void. It's the marriage license you get from the state, and the court order for a divorce that determines if you're married or divorced.
lonely bird
(1,833 posts)The Roman Church wishes to maintain their revenue streams by requiring children to be raised Catholic and by condemning birth control and divorce. Annulment is legalistic tap-dancing requiring revenue to say that the marriage even if it took place in a church with a priest presiding and having gone through pre-marriage counseling (Engaged Encounter or the like) and produced children did not exist.
NoMoreRepugs
(10,244 posts)Aviation Pro
(13,035 posts)Specifically, alimony and child support.
NanaCat
(2,332 posts)They want to keep women from leaving them so that they can have a guaranteed maid, sex slave and punching bag for life.
tclambert
(11,121 posts)Surely they will allow exceptions for rich old guys who have the opportunity to get a trophy wife to replace the aging starter wife.
malthaussen
(17,528 posts)An idea: they arbitrarily decide that a woman of a certain age is "past bearing age" and make that a legitimate ground for a man to divorce her. Problem solved. They can use whatever arbitrary age they like, since actual fact will not be a factor.
-- Mal
tclambert
(11,121 posts)malthaussen
(17,528 posts)Although, being Republicans, I wouldn't be surprised if they try.
-- Mal
SouthernDem4ever
(6,618 posts)They don't think there's enough shows on TV where spouses kill one another.
progressoid
(50,425 posts)Hekate
(93,581 posts)
and have got on with her life.
Religious marriages do have their place in peoples emotional lives, but the State should have its secular say even if some people object to the idea of divorce. Other cultures do every well with couples going to the courthouse to register their marriage, and choosing a church or temple wedding afterwards if they also seek a spiritual blessing.
barbaraann
(9,274 posts)It's a shocking story and might have had something to do with her marriage history.
kimbutgar
(22,506 posts)barbaraann
(9,274 posts)kimbutgar
(22,506 posts)Thanks for posting!
barbaraann
(9,274 posts)Who would have ever guessed?
progressoid
(50,425 posts)Wow, what a story!
NickB79
(19,484 posts)Women aren't stupid, and don't need men to support them any longer. If anything, this will be far more detrimental to men than women, because study after study finds married men are happier and live longer than bachelors.
Hekate
(93,581 posts)The problem that women faced before reliable contraception was invented especially The Pill was that men were speaking the literal truth when they said:
* to their daughters: you dont need to go to college, because youll just get married and have babies
* to women seeking employment: are you married? are you planning to get pregnant? you know a man with a family needs this job.
* to women seeking advancement in their work: you know, a man supporting a family needs this promotion, and when you get married youll quit to have babies.
Beyond that, men whose wives keep getting pregnant uncontrollably are not happy about it unless they are Quiverfull nutcases.
calimary
(83,458 posts)women with them into the Dark Ages.
Hekate
(93,581 posts)VGNonly
(7,618 posts)mental hospitals just for standing up for themselves.
NanaCat
(2,332 posts)Her dad put mom in a mental institution so that he could marry his chippie on the side.
It destroyed the wife, all four of the kids and even the wanker husband, once he realized what a mistake he'd made marrying a gold-digging tramp. One who was so stupid that she went jogging only two weeks after having breast enlargement surgery. One of the implants ruptured, and she nearly died from sepsis.
Delphinus
(12,043 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 23, 2024, 03:19 PM - Edit history (1)
what chippie meant.
Honestly, I would have found it hard not to laugh about that, her boob job breaking.
malthaussen
(17,528 posts)I am willing to bet that these legislators already have drafts of laws to further restrict women, making it illegal for them to hold many kinds of jobs, have personal credit and banking, etc. They can pass whatever laws they like, you know, there is nothing to restrain them. They're already talking about taking away a woman's right to vote.
Sure, then these laws will go to the Courts and be overturned, but that is a multi-year process during which many will suffer, which IMO is the point of the exercise.
-- Mal
NickB79
(19,484 posts)et tu
(1,707 posts)nf divorce let's a former spouse claim some money and support.
this type of male doesn't want to share, so the saying- 'no divorce cuz
it's cheaper to keep her'~ entitled much? hell yes!
617Blue
(1,504 posts)at some point they may all get a little "gay curious" if there are no women around.
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TxGuitar
(4,264 posts)FakeNoose
(34,774 posts)You know who hates "no-fault" divorce? Lawyers, that's who.
No-fault divorces are ideal for young couples who have no property and no kids, so they can quickly nullify a partnership without being impoverished by divorce lawyers. LAWYERS HATE THAT and they've been fighting these laws for years.
Why are the red states allowing themselves to be manipulated by self-serving lawyers?
Delphinus
(12,043 posts)this backfires on them, as well as their desire to take away birth control and a women's right to healthcare.
appleannie1
(5,155 posts)or have a credit card in their name and if they accidently burned dinner, the husband had the right to discipline the wife by beating her. I was working in the PD when laws finally changed and police could charge a husband with assault if the wife had marks on her from a beating she just received. That was in 1994 so it was not that long ago. Women found it difficult to support children if she did leave her husband because finding a job that paid enough to pay the rent and feed a child was hard to find. When I was 18 and worked in a factory, I was paid over 3 dollars an hour less than a man doing the same job.
They won't be happy until women have to wear ankle length dresses and woolen stockings, never cut their hair and wear head covering. The next thing on their list will be the right to vote.
malthaussen
(17,528 posts)At least it will provide PIs with more work.
-- Mal
mahina
(18,656 posts)????
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)Ritabert
(740 posts)Women should start looking out for themselves and stop dating these losers.
Elessar Zappa
(15,154 posts)Women wont let Republicans dictate what their relationship status is. These laws, if passed, willl be overturned by the courts.
happyez
(10 posts)So this sounds terrible and dystopian (which it is), however, I am more interested in the contra-action.
It's not like fiction where the evil guys do an action and all you get in return are people running away screaming and one guys saving the world.
Every action has an opposite action - economic, social, intellectual etc.
So let's say it becomes law that you can no longer divorce at will, and the courts uphold this new law. And let's throw in that they ban contraception and talk openly about stopping women from having employment etc.
OK, then what happens? Say this all happens in the next 6 months, because these idiots are held hostage by their own hubris.
Well, November is around the corner.
People will not (and I mean men and women) will not just sit this out, something happens.
That is what I'm interested in.
samnsara
(18,093 posts)...as if its not the hellmouth of conflicts anyway..