Owners of ship that collapsed Baltimore bridge seek to limit liability
Source: Scripps News/AP
Posted: 4:30 p.m. EDT Apr 1, 2024
Attorneys for the company behind the Dali container ship that caused the Key Bridge's collapse last week are looking to get ahead of future lawsuits.
The catastrophic incident left six construction workers dead and two others injured. It also severely impacted local workers and the economy, as operations at the Port of Baltimore remain indefinitely suspended.
In a federal court filing Monday, the ship's owners and operators, Grace Ocean Private Limited and Synergy Marine PTE, denied any fault or neglect.
"The [bridge collapse] was not due to any fault, neglect, or want of care on the part of [ship owner & operator], the Vessel, or any persons or entities for whose acts [ship owner & operator] may be responsible," the filing reads. "Alternatively, if any such faults caused or contributed to the [bridge collapse], or to any loss or damage arising out of the [bridge collapse], which is denied, such faults were occasioned and occurred without [ship owner & operator] privity or knowledge."
Read more: https://scrippsnews.com/stories/owners-of-ship-that-collapsed-baltimore-bridge-seek-to-limit-liability/
Link to court filing (PDF) - https://www.mdd.uscourts.gov/sites/mdd/files/24-941-Motion%26Attachments.pdf
Actually heard this on the radio (news) today.
Phoenix61
(17,019 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)Losses are limited to prevent a single accident from taking out an entire shipping company.
If I remember correctly, it would be capped somewhere in the tens of millions.
I think it was a second-hand ship, which would lower the cost even more.
Also, while technically the ship's captain could override the Harbor Pilot, it is rarely done.
===
I can't find the video I watched.
Phoenix61
(17,019 posts)They are going to be all over the maintenance logs. If they find anything that indicates the ship wasnt properly maintained they are going to have a huge problem.
cloudbase
(5,525 posts)The pilot is there in an advisory capacity only. The only exception is the Panama Canal transit.
Fullduplexxx
(7,870 posts)Igel
(35,356 posts)strike another car, you did that.
You're totally responsible. Even if it's also found that you experienced a tire blow-out.
It's for the court to decide. The video isn't probative. Don't know what evidence they have and you know that entire "judge not" BS? Or the t-shirts common 6 or 8 years ago, "Don't judge me" (replaced by the stronger, more powerful, "F**k yeah, I judge others" t-shirts of today ... jus' kiddin' ... sort of)?
I can have an opinion based on my ignorance of the democratically enacted laws and the facts of the case as permitted by the laws enacted by our democracy. But I know that's just my opinion and that our democracy has decided the law and if I want to uphold our democracy I get to either support the law--and our democracy--or work to use the means available in our democracy to change the law. But until then, the law is the law.
Now, in the end I may disagree with the Court's interpretation of the law, but I suspect that's more than a few minutes away.
The law in Arkansas is that the fact that an accident occurred is not evidence of negligence by anyone.
For example, I have won a blow-out case for the defendant. Without evidence that the driver knew or should have known that a tire was likely to fail, there is no negligence if a tire blows out and results in an accident - at least in Arkansas.
I took an admiralty law course back in the law school. The only thing I remember for sure is that admiralty law is a world of its own.
3Hotdogs
(12,408 posts)I won't need it anymore. If I get into an accident, I'll just say, I didn't do nuthin' wrong.
doc03
(35,367 posts)the government getting involved.
Aristus
(66,462 posts)A lot of people are saying it was caused by diversity! What's that? I said 'Diversity'! That's got to count for something, right? Right?..."
Igel
(35,356 posts)And dismissed as such.
Now, while the company says the pilot and apprentice were US citizens, that's a bit cagey. Still, in the absence of information, all I have is an absence of information. (I've already heard too many arguments ex silencio on NPR this afternoon. It's apparently the featured fallacy of the day--we don't know if it was there, so obviously it couldn't have been. Said the omniscient deific host.)
Aussie105
(5,434 posts)while there were known problems because you were in a hurry to get on the way?
Definitely not your fault. Sure, nice try!
But if shipping lines want to run 'unroadworthy' ships, better make entry and departure by tugboats compulsory.
Igel
(35,356 posts)I was a minor with my parents heading to my brother's marriage in a different state. We were stuck at BWI but due at the wedding dinner. My parents paid for the dinner and they were the hosts.
Got to the airport early. And waited. A mechanical fault was detected. The part was flown in. New departure time, hours later. You're a HS freshman and have to sit in a seat not for 45 minutes but for 4 hours with a water fountain and urinal as your sources of entertainment in 1973.
Cheers when the announcement said the part arrived. Then stares as it was announced that, the part replaced, apparently either it wasn't *that* part or at least two parts failed. Another part would arrive. The cheers when that part's arrival was announced were less muted. We were sullen. "Yeah, right. Whatever. Prove it." But it passed inspection and we were airborne.
We went straight from the airport the "Happy Hunter" (the restaurant in an unnamed city very much not in Maryland and utterly infested with > 5000 mosquitos per cubic meter and at least 999% humidity ... in late September) mid-delayed-main course.
Now, had we crashed, you know, the plane passed inspection. If that wasn't sufficient, I'd still be sitting in that damned waiting area in BWI 50+ years later.
Note: "while there were known problems because you were in a hurry to get on the way" is an assumption. I like knowing my assumptions and being explicit about them--because if I know them or am ignorant of them, I don't know what they are, it doesn't matter--I utterly own them and I don't like condemning others, saying, "Yeah, whatever, I'm good" after being judgmental, and moving on to the next thing. I take my judgmentalism seriously. And when it comes to the Balto. harbor regs, I don't know what the inspection regime is--tough, moderate, weak, or absent, so I'm agnostic. And proselytize merited agnosticism.
slightlv
(2,840 posts)They'd already been dinged because of prior problems they didn't fix before leaving port... exactly the same type of problem, among others. That's negligence, no matter how you want to plead, AFAIK. But I'm not a lawyer.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,995 posts)It's not their fault, after all. It's the guy driving the ship!
GB_RN
(2,376 posts)Like an oil spill in Alaska back in the 80s involving a ship called the EXXON Valdez
slightlv
(2,840 posts)by both the oil AND the Corexit they used to "eat" the oil. To this day, I will no longer eat Gulf shrimp. I have no way of knowing how much toxins they've ingested thanks to the corexit. And I used to love shrimp.
Eugene
(61,947 posts)We intend to prove this isn't what it looks like.
Maybe that bridge fell down spontaneously.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,610 posts)I suspect that ship owners were shorting maintenance to avoid the hit to their bottom line. Criminal charges could be in order.
Igel
(35,356 posts)No need to worry about the originals. That would just slow things down.
sarisataka
(18,770 posts)As the prediction the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. They deny fault because everyone denies fault, obviously.
The far more important factor from their point of view is the limit of liability to the value of the ship. If this stays in the news long enough people are going to learn some very old and interesting quarks of maritime law.
Biden's announcement that the government will pay for the rebuild is because he is aware 1)The case will take years to settle and 2) even if the ship owners are found 100% liable they will only have to pay a fraction of the cost. (Much less than 1%)
former9thward
(32,080 posts)Biden's comments aside, the federal government will pay very little. It is a fight between the various insurance companies. The law cited in the OP was the same law the owners of the Titanic used to escape many liability claims.
BootinUp
(47,187 posts)Elessar Zappa
(14,047 posts)sarisataka
(18,770 posts)as it is mostly comprised of centuries worth of international treaties, laws and agreements.
Perhaps they could make some changes which apply to US territorial waters, but I do not know if they can change liability limitations. That might require international action.
Aussie105
(5,434 posts)Any 'yeah but!' complaints for under the decks would have been ignored.
And insurance - the ship would have insurance for events out at sea, like containers falling off or the whole lot sinking.
But knocking down a bridge? Probably not.
Passageway needs to be cleared to allow shipping, but this particular line needs to be banned from using the port.
Chainfire
(17,640 posts)"That is our story and we are sticking to it."
sanatanadharma
(3,728 posts)"Alternatively, if any such faults caused or contributed to the [bridge collapse], or to any loss or damage arising out of the [bridge collapse], which is denied, such faults were occasioned and occurred without [ship owner & operator] privity or knowledge."
(My bold and underline)
gfwzig
(139 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 2, 2024, 12:18 AM - Edit history (1)
meaning that they will lose the value of the ship (((covered by insurance because it was piloted by harbor masters)))) but not the cargo. thus they will get away scot-free and the stockholders will not lose a red cent. Also since the harbor masters were in control they cannot be held criminally liable for any malfunction that should have been anticipated by the harbor masters (pilot) who were in total control and should have anticipated the possibility of engine/steering failure... the ship runs on bunker fuel, the stuff left over after all the usable parts of crude oil have been removed, it is notoriously hard to use, and must even be pre-heated to be thinned enough to pump it into the power plant , so, any talk of "bad fuel" is hogwash, bunker fuel ---IS BAD FUEL --- that cannot be used for anything else....
gladium et scutum
(808 posts)she did not have boilers or geared turbines..
gfwzig
(139 posts)cstanleytech
(26,319 posts)If there isn't one maybe using the fine could get around that marine time law mentioned.
cstanleytech
(26,319 posts)So, I suspect that the owners are still going to end up paying a lot of money to the victims families and I am hoping that it's one hell of a lot.
sinkingfeeling
(51,473 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)And had deadlines for filing the claim to a limitation of liability.
Nothing to do with the Trump playbook.
keithbvadu2
(36,906 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,187 posts)At worst, res ipsa loquitor.
Tort of Res Ipsa Loquitor:
Res ipsa loquitur (Latin: "the thing speaks for itself" is a doctrine in common law and Roman-Dutch law jurisdictions under which a court can infer negligence from the very nature of an accident or injury in the absence of direct evidence on how any defendant behaved in the context of tort litigation. Although specific criteria differ by jurisdiction, an action typically must satisfy the following elements of negligence: the existence of a duty of care, breach of appropriate standard of care, causation, and injury. In res ipsa loquitur, the existence of the first three elements is inferred from the existence of injury that does not ordinarily occur without negligence.
Elements:
The injury is of the kind that does not ordinarily occur without negligence or is uncommon in the course and nature of said act.
The injury is caused by an agency or instrumentality within the exclusive control of the defendant.
The injury-causing accident is not by any voluntary action or contribution on the part of the plaintiff.
The defendant's non-negligent explanation does not completely explain plaintiff's injury.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Res_ipsa_loquitur#References
tornado34jh
(941 posts)Was there a mechanical/electrical issue, pilot/captain error? The ship was registered to Singapore, and at the time, it was heading for Colombo, Sri Lanka. There were two American harbor pilots on board. Now I am not a bridge engineer, but as I understand it, the bridge was a steel arch continuous through truss bridge. So by design, if a support pier is gone, the force gets transferred over to the other spans, and they just can't handle that weight/force. But then again, the piers were only designed for certain loads. A small/medium boat, yeah, it could probably handle a collision, but a massive container ship? No dice. I had read about the 1980 Sunshine Skywalk Bridge, which had different conditions, but again resulted with a heavy ship colliding with a support pier and the bridge collapsing.
jaxexpat
(6,849 posts)It's only half my fault, after all the bridge damaged me too.
But on a more serious note........I suspect the support structures of the piers which held the bridges spans were designed and built in a time before ships in Baltimore harbor ever approached the mass of existing cargo/container carriers. I'll wager those piers were designed to withstand the impact of stray ships crashing into them without toppling the whole span into the harbor. That is, stray ships of that era.
So, who screwed up? Well, as usual, it boils down to an intentional lack of imagination. The technology to strengthen those piers is available but implementation is expensive. That is the main factor. Who would/should pay for it? Every bridge support pier in every harbor which is adjacent to shipping lanes is subject to destruction by heavy and powerful ships.
Harbors around the world have widened and deepened their ship channels to accommodate larger ships. Widening navigable channels adjacent to existing bridge piers will impact (no pun intended) the likelihood of crashes. It's gonna happen again and again.
BumRushDaShow
(129,453 posts)It just happened in Oklahoma on the Arkansas River this past Saturday - https://apnews.com/article/barge-bridge-hit-oklahoma-reopened-262f5725223e9d0633e97fa04ec55c65
jaxexpat
(6,849 posts)This is easy!
BumRushDaShow
(129,453 posts)your Magic 8-ball is in good working order!
Emile
(22,915 posts)cstanleytech
(26,319 posts)republianmushroom
(13,677 posts)that the bridge collapsed.
EX500rider
(10,858 posts)The companies filed under a pre-Civil War provision of an 1851 maritime law that allows them to seek to limit their liability to the value of the vessels remains after a casualty.
https://fortune.com/2024/04/01/baltimore-francis-scott-key-bridge-liability-cap-44-million-singapore/
Elessar Zappa
(14,047 posts)It should be revisited for future incidents.