Mother of Sandy Hook gunman Adam Lanza 'was a gun obsessive living in fear of society's collapse'
Source: Telegraph UK
The mother of Sandy Hook gunman Adam Lanza who slaughtered 20 US schoolchildren and seven adults was a gun-hoarding survivalist who was stockpiling weapons in preparation for an economic collapse, it has emerged.
Nancy Lanza was shot four times in the head before her son Adam gunned down young pupils and teachers at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.
Her sister-in-law Marsha Lanza told reporters at her Illinois home that her gun-obsessed relative was part of the prepper movement that fears an economic collapse will lead to a breakdown in society.
She prepared for the worst, Ms Lanza said.
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/mother-of-sandy-hook-gunman-adam-lanza-was-a-gun-obsessive-living-in-fear-of-societys-collapse-16251468.html
I guess we should not be surprised that the gunman's mom was a prepper, which would explain why she had the arsenal that she did. It makes you wonder about the recent glorification of Preppers on the History Channel, which shows familes loading up on firearms and dry goods in preparation for the collapse of society. My take is the glorification of this movement along with right wing media's celebration of guns and paranoia about the government has lead to an explosive mix.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....that she and her family were certainly living a hell of a lot higher on the hog than a lot of other folks in this world. Usually preppers are hiding out in a bunker in the woods.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)Are fairly well off and can afford impressive arsenals.
http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/national-geographic-channel/shows/doomsday-preppers
OneMoreDemocrat
(913 posts)the more you have, the more you have to protect.
Seems to me that the type of folks who would seek to follow this path are those with 'stuff' that they want to keep for themselves once the end times start up.
Loudly
(2,436 posts)They_Live
(3,233 posts)We should all help each other, not destroy each other.
svpadgham
(670 posts)I guess she wasn't prepared for the worst.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)PSPS
(13,600 posts)Windy
(5,944 posts)No matter what her reasons, her illness, which is what it is, fostered illness in her son. She also gave him access to massive weapons and ammunition by obviously failing to secure her stockpile. So senseless.
Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)and yet, that rotten animal, Huckster, should have been blaming the "end of the world" crowd that is hypnotized into watching Fox day and night!
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)saying it was because god was taken out of public schools that his tragedy occurred. Well, the boy was taken out of public school and home schooled by his paranoid mother---so what about that, suckabee? The lack of god in public schools had nothing to do with this.
Take that! Now what is the "EXCUSE"?
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Disgraceland
(24 posts)So what I'm wondering is: Was she an NRA member?
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)This channel has strayed away from ''history'' and now has become the extra terrestrial/ end of times/ Nostradamus/ Mayan prophesies/ earth without people .. channel.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)...Folks who embrace this extremism are celebrated and featured on the History Channel and National Geographic.
llmart
(15,540 posts)What I found back when I used to have cable (I won't waste my time or money on cable any longer) was it was the "let's glorify war" channel.
Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)these people waste more money on stupid survivalist crap in preparation for an economic apocalypse than I make in a year struggling horribly to care for my brother with MS. There's millions of people who believe this crap and have been living in fear since Y2K and especially after 9/11 when the psychological warfare began on the people placing many in fear. I think a good chunk of people who watch Faux Noise Channel for "news" are believers just like this woman at 13 seconds into this episode of doomsday preppers (you could literally hear Ms Lanza, the shooter's mom, saying what this lady says in the intro!
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)The gun collection is not that of a serious prepper. Not even close. Not clear what other things she was or was not doing. That she was a sport shooter appears to be true, but we do not even know what kind of shooting she did.
The European media has picked up on this but the US media is not pushing it nearly as hard. There are regional aspects to salaciousness it would appear.
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As for prepping...I will freely admit to being a little tiny one.
Like others here on DU, some even on this thread (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021996670)have owned up to it. Its nothing to be ashamed of.
I live in the middle of raw desert in SoCal. Since the earthquake is coming, I have a reasonable amount of water and food stored. I also have a means to convert my solar panels from grid tie to local usage. I have a comm plan to contact my family (I live alone). So yes I have made some plans. All of this is recommended by FEMA and the state disaster people. I know my neighbors (though they are not physically close) and there would be cooperation. Guess I won't be on NatGeo at this rate.
Prepper is a huge continuum. Some are hardcore TEOTAWAKI idiots that scare the hell out of me. Most are like Mormons doing the 1 year supply of food/provident living thing and are fairly innocuous. Some are like me, Nadin, and others DUers who look at week to a month. The differences are dramatic in cost and attitude.
I recent saw for the first time the NatGeo TV shows about Preppers. I hope most of it is faked like many reality TV shows. Some real freaks there.
Everyone knows some preppers along that sliding scale. Many do not talk about it. If they are minor ones, like me, you assume everyone has that level of stuff done. If they are some of the freaks they don't talk about in case the zombies hear about it
jeff47
(26,549 posts)You're doing disaster preparedness in a situation where there's plenty of evidence a disaster will come. But you aren't preparing for a hurricane.
The failure of most "prepers" is they leave out a step in their scenario:
1) Disease/Economic Collapse/whatever happens.
2) Existing infrastructure can't deal with it.
4) Society collapses.
It doesn't seem to occur to them that there is a step 3. That's the step when martial law is imposed. Governments don't roll over and disappear. They fight for their survival.
If the disaster prepers fear comes to pass, the government will eventually break out the tanks an other hardware to survive. Meaning society won't collapse.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)he said his mother had been barking about Obama imposing martial law all summer when he was home from Asia. From what he has said about her, she could be one of the same types with all the guns and food. I told him that he shouldn't go home next summer. Scary stuff.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Different in that there were four of us at the time, but not in intent. The good part was we had some warning and a basement. We lost trees and an outbuilding, but nothing serious. That was when I first learned that every woman in the house had some unique preferences.
Most preppers are not TEOTAWAKI, which is what you are addressing. They are like Nadin, myself, even the Mormons. The guys on TV are really freaks.
I have taken a look at some of their scenarios and I find them to be beyond credulity. However, I do not agree with your analysis either. In the case of a fairly instantaneous major breakdown nationwide, martial law could not address the resource issues and places like LA would die of thirst in the dark. In the case of a slower problem, there would be time for civil preparedness and the government could remain in control. However none of the doomsday scenarios I have seen are realistic, so I will limit myself to the big earthquake.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)We're talking about a situation where either they break out the guns or the government goes away. That's plenty of incentive for the government to move quickly instead of worrying about "states rights" and such.
The problem is believing such a situation exists. Even a plague takes a while to spread.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)However most units are not kept at that status, they would need to recall people, activate reserves and the NG. I also cannot see it being needed.
I too do not believe such a situation could happen either. Their view is some sort of EMP, natural or man made. Doing the math shows just how unlikely that would be.
napoleon_in_rags
(3,991 posts)The prepper scenarios where law enforcement and military go away never made much sense to me.
Patiod
(11,816 posts)Getting a gas insert for my fireplace so I have heat for at least one room next time the electric goes, I stockpile some food and water (per FEMA), and we use kerosene lamps all summer on the deck, and they were mighty handy when the electricity went out
I think its the whole "underclasses gonna rise up and try to get our stuff" mentality that's so creepy.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)The TEOTAWAKI guys are actually fairly rational in some ways. If you accept their assumptions, some of it actually makes sense.
If there was somehow a nationwide EMP event that disabled the overwhelming majority of power distribution, comms, and just about anything electric, it would be one helluva mess and all of their nightmares could well happen. However, when you do some basic calculations on the size of the weapons and the technology it takes to get them there, you realize that it is just not going to happen.
A funny story along those lines. A student asked me on behalf of his mother (a TEOTAWAKI prepper) how hard it would be to build a Faraday Cage to protect a computer. When I asked why, he said she wanted to be able to get on the Internet after the everything fried. She was serious. I was courteous to the student and suggested that if the big zap happened, there was not going to be an Internet, something his mother had not even considered.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)adequate supplies of salt and pepper). I figure if the shit hits the fan, I can go all-lentil for at least a few days. The lentil is a very versatile little foodstuff, nutritious as hell and very chamaleon-like in its ability to absorb whatever spices one throws at it. Can't praise it highly enough. Dry storage is a piece of cake (npi).
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)I am on a well and have a storage tank, I have LOTS of water. For food its canned or dried stuff that I would eat anyway. Don't have much in the fridge normally. Do have a little freeze dried camping stuff. I have refused to stock MREs. I carry lifeboat rations in my road kit. I hope I never need to eat those.
I have learned to date the cans...sometimes they get pushed to the back of the shelf and stay there too long.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)fan in SoCal and you can still drive, stop on by for some of my lentil stew!
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)I ride a KLR 90% of the time. It can get through just about anything. Short of a major crevasse opening up across SoCal, I should be able to get home.
Lifeboat rations are interesting 5 year shelf life regardless of temperature. http://www.bestglide.com/Mainstay_3600_Info.html
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Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)truthisfreedom
(23,148 posts)He took it to an entirely different place.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)The divorce was not all that long ago, so I would think the roots of it go back before then. No one is saying or asking anything about his father.
Its going to be a sordid tale when this all comes out.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I've been avoiding reading to much in the media because they glorify people like this the same way they did with the guy who shot Gabby Giffords. I think it's very possible the mother was manipulating him and he was a ticking time bomb. It will be interesting when and if the father comes forward and says something (who knows, maybe he won't). Other family members seem to know what was going on so they might give a better indication of the situation.
I happened to see the clip of the beginning of SNL and just bawled my eyes out. It was a very classy thing for the show, the school and the kids in the choir to do.
napoleon_in_rags
(3,991 posts)The story seems to switch every day regarding whether the guy was mentally gone or not, but the bad guy here is clearly the one who opened fire on 20 elementary school students. We can't forget that.
primavera
(5,191 posts)That is a contradiction in terms.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Nihil
(13,508 posts)Given that "sanity" is largely a convention rather than an objective state anyway,
the difference between "a sociopath" and "a sociopath who murders loads of random
children" can only be described as the presence of insanity.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Sociopathy isn't a mental illness.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)> Sociopathy isn't a mental illness.
Find where I suggested that it was.
Hint: This was what I posted
>> Sociopaths are sane but homicidal sociopaths aren't.
>> Given that "sanity" is largely a convention rather than an objective state anyway,
>> the difference between "a sociopath" and "a sociopath who murders loads of random
>> children" can only be described as the presence of insanity.
Second hint: the adjective "homicidal" and the clause "murders loads of random children"
are the defining aspects of both sentences. Anyone with a grasp of English would be
capable of recognising that neither of the above sentences suggest that sociopathy
is "a mental illness".
malibea
(179 posts)I agree with you totally. No sane person shoots and kills children, randomly! Especially if they don't even know them .
Myrina
(12,296 posts)Having been an outsider since childhood, picked on by schoolmates and adults, teased/humiliated/ marginalized and having those scars deeply ingrained so that some 30 years later they come back and ravage me all over again, I can say that it wouldn't be a stretch of imagination - or an episode of insanity - that would cause anyone the kind of rage & dispair that would lead them to do what Lanza did.
Sometimes you just get fed up and filled with rage at how obnoxious the human race is & how hateful/hurtful the world seems.
Some people stop themselves short and some people say 'fuck it' and walk into a (school/movie theatre/hospital) with a machine gun.
napoleon_in_rags
(3,991 posts)I'm really interested in what this guy's deal was. I deeply feel you're right.
But still, even if he was insane, the mother still paid a hell of a price for making the wrong choices regarding his treatment or whatever, that was the original point. But I'm sure you agree with that, and I gather that's not what you're saying.
primavera
(5,191 posts)I gather posters are concerned about what constitutes "insanity" from a legal and/or clinical point of view, which wasn't really what I was thinking about at the time. Personally, I take a broader view of "insanity" than either the legal or the psychiatric communities seem to, so I'm not really speaking to those communities and they technical debates. As far as I'm concerned, if you shoot up a bunch of children, there is something seriously wrong with your mental state. Since I believe that actions don't occur without some underlying cause and I'm not a believer in simplistic, moral notions of "evil"... well, mental illness figures prominently in my personal interpretation of such events.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)that for cold?
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)a loving mother who did a lot for her kids.
It must have been hellacious raising this young man.
John2
(2,730 posts)to me she was a loving mother. You can love your kids too much also and be overly protective of them. I heard that she left her job as a financier and married a guy who became very successful at a company like Mitt Romney did. She sounds like Ann Romney to me. She sounds like a woman, that depends on men and easily influenced by them. I'm intrigue with her love of guns and how she might have perceived things in society. I don't think she deserved anything but just a misguided woman, influenced by her circle of friends. It seems like that her friends are really circling the wagons trying to protect her too. That is understandable they are loyal to her. If Adam was my son, I would have gotten him help a long time ago from professionals, instead of maybe overly protecting him. She could afford it. The former Husband sounds like the type, that goes out and made the money like Mitt Romney, while the wife stayed at home to take care of the kids. This was a very wealthy family, with their own circle of friends. Usually they are protective and portray things as if it is a fairy tale, yet they divorced.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)That would be my bet. And I don't think there is any evidence that she was OVERprotective, except in the sense that she had school personnel on the lookout for him hurting himself accidentally because of his inability to feel pain. But I think any parent would be cautious in that way.
John2
(2,730 posts)Is there any information out there, that Mrs Lanza taught or encouraged her troubled son how to shoot and become familiarized with guns?
llmart
(15,540 posts)that she took her sons to shooting ranges all the time.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)That is generally a good idea if a kid is going to be around guns. I have never seen any evidence that being trained to use guns properly leads to mass murder, and in fact I have not seen evidence that being familiar with guns is more likely to make one a killer.
Illnesses like schizophrenia usually come on in the late teens and early 20s, so the killer may not have been mentally ill as a youngster.
Sienna86
(2,149 posts)Let's see what the investigation turns up.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)I'd love it to see her interviewed by the media.
I wish she could carry that weight to her grave.
Unfortunately the little shit she bore, the fruit of her life, the beast to whom she supplied the guns,
the human waste that killed all of those babies and their teachers took that from us, too.
May they both rot in hell, cellmates forever.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)No matter what her involvement was.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)They stoked her paranoia.
RandiFan1290
(6,235 posts)UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Happened a couple of years ago
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Shooting 20 first graders IS the collapse of civilization.
Civilization is bombarded with negative images and expectations -- all so that somebody can make a buck.
Franker65
(299 posts)How would these gun-nuts feel if their own kids were shot in cold blood. Disgusting and needs to change.
ancianita
(36,060 posts)Infowars claims that these people will all be rounded up as domestic terrorists. Are these people an example of a collective sickness? If these executive orders are real, what do we all really make of them?
All of this is unsettling, and the public should at least be aware that this exists. I really don't know how to think about it all.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)Doomsday.
gordianot
(15,238 posts)There are too many to list. One entire political party.
toby jo
(1,269 posts)Would like to see these guys stand up to the psychological component of why they are doing what they do. From the outside, we get it, it's easy to see.
Where are their leaders? Quit humping your guns, guys, and stand up like men and think.
malibea
(179 posts)You are saying what needs to be said, sir or madame. These losers, cop outs and otherwise general rejects and dejects, can not cope period! First, they think that the world owes them something- WHICH IT DOESN'T! And secondly, they think that they own the effing world and that when things don't go their way, they get mad and start shooting.
All of them need to go away --to someplace where perhaps someone gives a fluk about what they think! I am sick and tired of hearing their whining about things going wrong. Nobody promised them a rose garden. They are lucky to be alive the way they have existed up until now.
Geez-Get a life!
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Can't go into the details as it was a confidential inquiry but suffice it to say I was less than impressed by the coherence of the person asking the question. The fact that these are some of the people stocking up on guns and ammo should concern us all.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)Glenn Beck?
and-justice-for-all
(14,765 posts)I wonder how much influence that NATGEO program had on her.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)n/t