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Galraedia

(5,026 posts)
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:21 PM Jul 2013

Ohio tea party member flies Confederate flag during racist rant at school board meeting

Source: Raw Story

Springboro, Ohio residents are up in arms after a member of the local tea party unfurled a Confederate flag at a meeting of the town’s school board Thursday. According to Huffington Post, Sonny Thomas, who bills himself as the president and founder of the Springboro Tea Party was protesting the removal of a set of religiously-themed and ideologically slanted classes from the district’s summer curriculum.

Thomas, who has a history of racist and inflammatory statements, reportedly gave an impassioned defense of the classes, which were intended for parents and children. The summer courses were sponsored by the Institute of the Constitution, an offshoot group from right-wing think tank The American View and the National Center for Constitutional Studies, a religious-themed nationalist group funded by the Church of Latter Day Saints.

In his speech, Thomas made racist remarks, invoked neo-Confederate group The League of the South and displayed the Confederate flag, saying that African-Americans in the U.S. “should consider themselves lucky since they are treated better in the United States than they would be if they were in ‘Black Countries’ with ‘genocide,’” according to Springboro resident Nimisha Patel.

Patel also noted the school board members showed unusual deference to Thomas, allowing his remarks to run over his allotted time slot. They also allowed him to stay for the rest of the meeting, whereas other speakers who the board deemed problematic were escorted from the premises.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/13/ohio-tea-party-member-flies-confederate-flag-during-racist-rant-at-school-board-meeting/

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Ohio tea party member flies Confederate flag during racist rant at school board meeting (Original Post) Galraedia Jul 2013 OP
Then, maybe he should send his kids to the schools the Confederacy funds. merrily Jul 2013 #1
Let's go further, let all his money only be confederate money, oh BTW he can spend it anywhere they Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #17
Showed unusual deference to his remarks? WTF? sakabatou Jul 2013 #2
deference kardonb Jul 2013 #4
Huh? sakabatou Jul 2013 #14
TP not only stands for 'tea party' IrishAyes Jul 2013 #40
Now it makes sense. Didn't know what the last one was. sakabatou Jul 2013 #56
It might not be what the first poster meant IrishAyes Jul 2013 #58
Hey, that's on *my* grocery list at least! nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #89
Well, I'll be the first on my block to grow weed if it ever becomes legal here. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #92
One of the perks of living in NorCal is I can get good stuff at low prices. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #94
Sounds like my hometown tonekat Jul 2013 #95
...and if any of them find Joe/Jane Citizen exercising the same right IrishAyes Jul 2013 #96
This reminds me of something Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #99
Someday our great-great grandkids will get a laugh from all this IrishAyes Jul 2013 #105
The guy is a typical ignorant racist asshole.. Fuck him...but busterbrown Jul 2013 #37
Damn those racist southerners! Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #3
Why does the one getting spanked look happy? merrily Jul 2013 #10
I think that it is supposed to be tongue in cheek if you will. N/T Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #13
Yeh! Ohio.... you know.... were William Quantrill was from! nt rdharma Jul 2013 #32
And all this time I'd imagined Quantrill was from Kansas. Silly me. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #41
Ohio is just Kentucky with colder weather. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #69
Trading war stories: IrishAyes Jul 2013 #87
I am eternally grateful that nobody in the 30 years I have lived in Los Angeles kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #88
I loved Los Angeles even more than NYC IrishAyes Jul 2013 #91
True. And as a result, we have the most amazing variety of outstanding ethnic restaurants. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #93
Ohio is kinda all over the place politically ladym55 Jul 2013 #75
Sadly, I've often seen creationism and racism travel hand in hand IrishAyes Jul 2013 #86
It's common to see large stars and bars window stickers here in Ohio. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #83
I hope this joker gets busted for something. another_liberal Jul 2013 #5
Ohio was on the winning side, you know, Yankees. Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author coldmountain Jul 2013 #21
Nest Of Copperheads, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2013 #31
Quite true. But Ohio was also a stronghold of Unionism... Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #102
Ohio also provided William Quantrill. nt rdharma Jul 2013 #33
He was special, no doubt about that. another_liberal Jul 2013 #44
Part of him is buried in a confederate cemetery in MO. rdharma Jul 2013 #46
Part of him? another_liberal Jul 2013 #47
Some of his bones are in Kansas and most of his bones (skull etc) are in his hometown..... rdharma Jul 2013 #48
One wonders . . . another_liberal Jul 2013 #51
Shin bones ....... rdharma Jul 2013 #53
That is a truly gruesome fate. another_liberal Jul 2013 #57
Lawrence Kansas massacre was only ONE of his many murderous deeds. rdharma Jul 2013 #59
I've heard it told . . . another_liberal Jul 2013 #60
True, but by that standard, there were no Kansans' at all. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #103
You are quite right. another_liberal Jul 2013 #43
Ohio was also a major route of the Underground Railroad Just Saying Jul 2013 #52
Harriet Beacher Stowe was also from OH as well as U S Grant and the scourge of the south..... rdharma Jul 2013 #55
Sheridan Enthusiast Jul 2013 #84
Don't forget Custer! nt rdharma Jul 2013 #106
Thanks for the reminder about Senator Brown Marthe48 Jul 2013 #68
HA! Thats a picture, isnt it? 7962 Jul 2013 #18
Now Repeat After Me, Kiddies! Vogon_Glory Jul 2013 #6
When you say that The Wizard Jul 2013 #27
Right Wingers have made it a mission to take over all aspects of society. Especially School Boards. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #7
Springboro Tea Party on FB mokawanis Jul 2013 #8
Tools of Rove and the Koch Brothers Faygo Kid Jul 2013 #12
Why are teabaggers always weight-challenged??? kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #70
All of their contempt for the federal government's "liberal policies" swells them up like that. another_liberal Jul 2013 #76
donuts and beer (NT) The Wizard Jul 2013 #78
Lovely! smirkymonkey Jul 2013 #97
Wait. When was Springboro, Ohio part of the Confederacy again? merrily Jul 2013 #9
Seems everyone thinks the majority of racists are from the south, think again...... Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #23
Not at all. merrily Jul 2013 #26
Because he perpetuates the myth that southerners are racist by displaying that flag. Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #29
Who doesn't like to eat? merrily Jul 2013 #34
RR, you are correct..... the south doesn't have a monopoly on racism. rdharma Jul 2013 #35
Just for your benifit..... Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #63
AND...... Just for your benefit....... rdharma Jul 2013 #67
He displayed John2 Jul 2013 #65
Some Confederates refused to sign a 'test oath of loyalty' Marthe48 Jul 2013 #72
What's your point? another_liberal Jul 2013 #45
My point is that to many are quick to point fingers at the south. Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #62
Waving a Confederate flag at a Civil War reenactment is one thing. another_liberal Jul 2013 #66
"is kind of the definition" Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #77
Are you just trying to be snidely insulting . . . another_liberal Jul 2013 #79
It could also be the actions of a muddle headed nitwit seeking attention. marble falls Jul 2013 #81
Quite true. another_liberal Jul 2013 #82
Lady Antebellum? I can hardly believe that they not only exist, but are popular. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #90
The location must be taken into account Cirque du So-What Jul 2013 #11
pasty racist rumps Skittles Jul 2013 #25
"Pasty racist rumps" Brigid Jul 2013 #85
Some Context SIU_Blue Jul 2013 #16
The end of the bankruptcy article was interesting. TexasTowelie Jul 2013 #19
You can count on it. n/t SIU_Blue Jul 2013 #24
Yup. ctsnowman Jul 2013 #80
Sounds like a closet KKKer n/t zentrum Jul 2013 #20
I wonder what the next generation of kids will think TxDemChem Jul 2013 #22
Go to teabagger rallies and The Wizard Jul 2013 #28
Brilliant, my dear Watson!! kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #71
The John Birch Society for the new millennium thelordofhell Jul 2013 #30
Here's what an ass hat looks like! rdharma Jul 2013 #36
Is he the one standing at the podium? Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #49
Yup! nt rdharma Jul 2013 #50
Sonny Thomas and his guns......... rdharma Jul 2013 #38
Crazy Teabaggers iloveObama12 Jul 2013 #39
Tea Party Members are Racists... Water is wet... The sky is blue... nt onehandle Jul 2013 #42
Is he aware that OH fought for the North? nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #54
Wish idiots like this would go South Marthe48 Jul 2013 #61
Tea Party hates two things: 1) Being called racist 2) Black people Kennah Jul 2013 #64
Thankfully, the commenters below Raw Story Marthe48 Jul 2013 #73
Disgusting. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #74
another usa nutter group with massive upgrade money backing from *someone* Sunlei Jul 2013 #98
What's his DU username? Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #100
No joke. Hoyt Jul 2013 #104
But i thought the tea party took it's name from the founding fathers? chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #101
please continue Tea Partiers! You will talk yourself into Lyndon LaRouche levels of public support yurbud Jul 2013 #107

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
17. Let's go further, let all his money only be confederate money, oh BTW he can spend it anywhere they
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:44 PM
Jul 2013

Still take confederate money.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
58. It might not be what the first poster meant
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:03 PM
Jul 2013

But it's what I meant.

Imagine the surprise on a friend's face when she saw my grocery list. One entry read: pot

No, she didn't take it to mean cookware; she thought I meant weed. I really meant potatoes.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
92. Well, I'll be the first on my block to grow weed if it ever becomes legal here.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 06:36 PM
Jul 2013

Meanwhile I have to watch out for the cops - not that half of them don't have a stash of their own, but they'd love an excuse to arrest me, for political reasons.

Actually, when I first moved here, the previous town mayor had been the main connection in town. During his term of office, too.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
94. One of the perks of living in NorCal is I can get good stuff at low prices.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 07:10 PM
Jul 2013

No need to grow my own, even if I were so inclined.

tonekat

(1,815 posts)
95. Sounds like my hometown
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:36 PM
Jul 2013

Where the lawyers get high and the cops get high and the troopers get high and the mayor gets high and the doctors get high and the teachers get high and the....

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
96. ...and if any of them find Joe/Jane Citizen exercising the same right
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 08:56 AM
Jul 2013

Arrest that lawbreaker, throw 'em in jail, and make an example of them! Protect American family values!

I don't advocate getting stoned anymore than falling down drunk or overeating to the point of obesity. However, that doesn't mean I should be denied a puff or nip or sip, either. People are going to do what people are going to do, period. No future or sense in criminalizing moderate indulgence when far more dangerous activities are winked at or even encouraged. I'd rather take the occasional reefer than most of what Big Pharma pushes. My bad cholesterol runs a little high but I'd rather croak from a stroke before taking statins, which are guaranteed to ruin your liver. Never take one thing that has to be chased by another to mitigate(?) the effects of the first.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
99. This reminds me of something
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 07:32 AM
Jul 2013

my 91-year-old Great Aunt said awhile back. One of her doctors ordered a new prescription -- something potassium which the pharmacy abbreviated to "pot." She refused to take it until she saw her doctor again. Bringing the prescription bottle with her, she couldn't even say the word "pot," she just handed him the bottle, pointed to the word and stated, "I don't want to be addicted to drugs!" I've got to hand it to her doctor who explained the abbreviation, explained that he couldn't give her a prescription for pot (only a recommendation) even if he wanted to and that pot is not addictive.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
105. Someday our great-great grandkids will get a laugh from all this
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:31 AM
Jul 2013

When you can buy good pot anywhere, just like bubblegum.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
37. The guy is a typical ignorant racist asshole.. Fuck him...but
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:52 PM
Jul 2013

the school board? As you stated, What The Fuck...
I guess red congressional districts elect racist school board members..

Another example of how this shit starts as the local community level. I bet there were few science believing citizens running against these people in the local elections.....

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
41. And all this time I'd imagined Quantrill was from Kansas. Silly me.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:06 PM
Jul 2013

But as the product of a mixed marriage (damnYankee dad and liberal southern belle mom, though both Irish), I know that Quantrill and Jesse James are widely revered throughout the south, hardly below Lee. I don't know how Ohio has turned out so badly; you'd think they were far enough north to have a little sense. Just goes to prove ignorance and hate have no boundaries. In defense of a certain percentage of southerners, I always offer Morris Dees and even some well known liberals from Texas. Good sense and decency can prevail under the most inhospitable conditions.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
69. Ohio is just Kentucky with colder weather.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:19 PM
Jul 2013

I know. I suffered through high school there. I'd never heard of, let alone seen, a fundamentalist christian until I moved there. Our community was brimming over with them. It was culture shock of the highest order, and it left me with a permanent dislike of them.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
87. Trading war stories:
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:26 PM
Jul 2013

It always fired me up when one would ask if I were saved, when he clearly knew I was Catholic and he just wanted to start a fight. No matter what kind of affirmative answer he received, invariably he'd follow up with the even snarkier, "But do you know Jesus personally?" Knowing how badly he itched to pee higher on my leg and tell me it was raining, often I'd cup a hand behind one ear, glance upward and give a slight nod, then tell the idiot, "Yes, I know him well enough to hear him telling me loud and clear right now, DO NOT GO UPSIDE THAT FOOL'S HEAD FOR POSING SUCH AN ARROGANT QUESTION!"

Oddly enough, I never had anyone press the matter further. But I generally got quite an undeserved reputation as a grouch at best.

Try it sometimes; it's fun.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
88. I am eternally grateful that nobody in the 30 years I have lived in Los Angeles
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 04:33 PM
Jul 2013

has asked me if I was saved. I got enough of that in HS to last a lifetime.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
91. I loved Los Angeles even more than NYC
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 06:34 PM
Jul 2013

A person didn't actually have to travel when living there, because people from all over the world came in abundance.

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
75. Ohio is kinda all over the place politically
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:03 PM
Jul 2013

We have a Senator like Sherrod Brown and progressive representatives like Marcia Fudge, Tim Ryan, and Marcy Kaptur. But then again we have an absolute tool for a governor and a gerrymandered state house filled with idiots.

Unfortunately, we do have lots of smaller communities who would like us to be more like Mississippi, and we are on our way with a current job growth ranking of 47/50. We have lots o' racists and lots o' creationists, too, and they do tend to be loud and obnoxious.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
83. It's common to see large stars and bars window stickers here in Ohio.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jul 2013

Ignorance and bigotry permeate the nation.

Ignorance and bigotry are being fostered by the Fascists. This is becoming more clear by the day. This is PRECISELY how it happened in pre-Nazi Germany.

Fascism requires a scape goat. It is no coincidence that the American right has the very same set of scape goats that the Nazis did. Teh unions, teh gays, teh commies, teh socialists, the racial minorities, teh liberals, teh useless eaters (takers) and "progressives".

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
5. I hope this joker gets busted for something.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:44 PM
Jul 2013

Then he'll have a chance to re-fight the Civil War for real, in his local county lock-up.

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
15. Ohio was on the winning side, you know, Yankees.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:20 PM
Jul 2013

The south does not have exclusive rights to racism, although some would have you believe otherwise.

During the American Civil War, the State of Ohio played a key role in providing troops, military officers, and supplies to the Union army.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_in_the_American_Civil_War

Response to Rebellious Republican (Reply #15)

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
31. Nest Of Copperheads, Sir
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:27 PM
Jul 2013

Look up Gov. Vallandingham, for rum fun on the topic.

"I will fight the secesh till Hell freezes over, then fight on the ice."

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
102. Quite true. But Ohio was also a stronghold of Unionism...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 07:58 AM
Jul 2013

...and the state provided some of the finest regiments that served the union cause.

There have always been 2 Ohios. Same for Indiana and Illinois. Probably true for every northern state to some degree.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
44. He was special, no doubt about that.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:40 PM
Jul 2013

What he and his Missourians did to Lawrence Kansas in 1863 set a new low for Americans' brutality to one another.

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
46. Part of him is buried in a confederate cemetery in MO.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:59 PM
Jul 2013

Confederate revisionists wanted to show the murdering SOB "proper respect as a hero of the Confederacy".

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
48. Some of his bones are in Kansas and most of his bones (skull etc) are in his hometown.....
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 07:10 PM
Jul 2013

Dover, Ohio (called Canal Dover when he lived there).

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
53. Shin bones .......
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 07:33 PM
Jul 2013

Evidently, one of Quantrill's OH buddies (who helped Quantrill's mother dig up his remains in KY to be buried in OH) was an enterprising sort and sold various parts to collectors. This ticked off the old Confederates who thought he wouldn't be rendered the "respect he was due" in Yankee states.

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
59. Lawrence Kansas massacre was only ONE of his many murderous deeds.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:08 PM
Jul 2013

The chaos of war allowed him to develop fully as a psychopath.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
60. I've heard it told . . .
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:18 PM
Jul 2013

I've heard it told that when they encountered a Union man away from his home they would kill him, decapitate him and leave the head stuck on a fence post, for the family to find.

Not nice people.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
103. True, but by that standard, there were no Kansans' at all.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 08:02 AM
Jul 2013

IMO he spent enough years on the frontier to have eclipsed his Ohioan outlook. When he first got to Kansas he was still convinced that the pro-slavery faction was to blame.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
43. You are quite right.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:34 PM
Jul 2013

It was Illinois, ironically enough, which was widely considered to be, "Half in the Confederacy." The southern counties of President Lincoln's home State were judged to be full of "Copperheads," as Confederate sympathizers were commonly known.

Just Saying

(1,799 posts)
52. Ohio was also a major route of the Underground Railroad
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 07:23 PM
Jul 2013

Tens of thousands of runaway slaves escaped to Canada thru Ohio.

Sorry, had to chime in to defend my state.

We have our share of racists and loonies, but there are some amazing liberals and progressives here as well. We have Boehner, but we also have Brown.

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
55. Harriet Beacher Stowe was also from OH as well as U S Grant and the scourge of the south.....
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 07:37 PM
Jul 2013

...... William Tecumseh Sherman.

Marthe48

(16,975 posts)
68. Thanks for the reminder about Senator Brown
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:00 PM
Jul 2013

I was born, raised and have lived in Ohio my whole life and it has become unrecognizable to me. I always thought we Ohioans were at least trying to outgrow what we were taught at home, but lately it is like everyone is taking a slime bath. I'm so glad that Sherrod Brown represents us.

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
6. Now Repeat After Me, Kiddies!
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:59 PM
Jul 2013

Now repeat after me, kiddies:

The Tea Party is not a racist organization.

The Tea Party is not a racist organization.

The Tea Party is not a racist organization.

And if you believe that is true, Dude, maybe you can explain why you act like NASA's moon rock collection looks and smells like sheep p**p!

mokawanis

(4,442 posts)
8. Springboro Tea Party on FB
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:08 PM
Jul 2013

The Springboro Tea Party FB page. They're gonna need a better slogan.

Where "Li 'Boro-Tea" is Brewing!



 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
76. All of their contempt for the federal government's "liberal policies" swells them up like that.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:10 AM
Jul 2013

Otherwise, both of those ladies would be slim as cheetahs

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. Wait. When was Springboro, Ohio part of the Confederacy again?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:12 PM
Jul 2013

It's bad enough when Southerners get all nostalgi about the good ole days of slavery they never lived through in the first place (e.g., Lady Antebellum), but Ohio?

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
23. Seems everyone thinks the majority of racists are from the south, think again......
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jul 2013

A couple of examples that illustrate otherwise.

Here is a little known secret, not all southerners are racists, not all people above the mason-dixon line and west of the Mississippi are tolerant.

Here are few examples that no one wants to admit....

Last week Forest Whitaker, an Academy Award winning actor, was accused of shoplifting at a New York City deli and publicly frisked by an employee. According to TMZ, Whitaker left the store "baffled and angry," and some are asking whether he was discriminated against due to race.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/19/forest-whitaker-accused-of-shoplifting_n_2718202.html

Hate Map plots homophobia and racism across the US
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-05/14/hate-map

merrily

(45,251 posts)
26. Not at all.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jul 2013

I live in Boston, where someone once tried to stab a black lawyer with the pointy end of a flag pole. I don't think all racists are from the South, nor do I think all Southerners are racist. (Nor do I think all Bostonians are racist.)

I do believe that anyone who looks back fondly on the Confederacy is, at the very best, racially insensitive.

But all Southerners do not do that and there are other ways to be racist.

This Ohioan is clearly racist, but that is a separate issue from why he is carrying around a Confederate flag..

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
29. Because he perpetuates the myth that southerners are racist by displaying that flag.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:26 PM
Jul 2013

Not trying to flame you, just gets my feathers ruffled when I see assholes like him. Then I see comments on this board about southerners. BTW, I lived in Bean town for awhile before the big dig. Haymarket square on saturdays, Faneuil Hall and the north end were my favorite places to be. Can you tell I like to eat.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
34. Who doesn't like to eat?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:31 PM
Jul 2013

But, I know what you mean. Some of us like it more than others.

My sister, for example. She starts talking about lunch as soon as she sits down for breakfast and about dinner while she's chomping on her lunch. It is funny at times and annoying at times

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
35. RR, you are correct..... the south doesn't have a monopoly on racism.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:36 PM
Jul 2013

But if you're saying that racism isn't "alive and well in the south", ........ you are in a serious state of denial.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
65. He displayed
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:46 PM
Jul 2013

that Confederate Flag because it represents the Cause the South fought for. He then claims that African Americans were treated better and should be glad they weren't still in Africa because supposedly slavery was good for them.

These people still insinuate the Confederate Flag represents their heritage and the United States. What it did represent was treason. They lost that war against the United States of America. The only reason they were accepted back into this country, was they had to accept the 13th Amendment and the abolishment of Slavery. Until then, they were a defeated people or region under occupation by Union Forces. Their economy was also destroyed in that War. Many of their leaders also lost their rights as U.S. citizens. Robert E. Lee didn't get his citizenship reinstated until long after his Death, so he died as a man without a country.

As far as concerning the state of African Americans, Before the Civil War ended, there were 200,000 African Americans in the Union Army which represented ten percent of Union Forces which gave the U.S. the man power to win that War.

It wasn't until the South was facing defeat, that Robert E. Lee argued for giving Blacks freedom if they could help the South, because white males were either killed or desserted. At least 60,000 of them desserted Lee's Army. Among the 125,000 Union troops seiging Petersburg and during the fall of Richmond were Black units. Among the first troops to enter Petersburg were Black units. The unit that escorted Lincoln's visit to Richmond, was a Black calvary unit. There were also Black units that parcipated in the chase of Lee's final efforts to break out of the approaching surrounding Union Armies.

There was no way the South could equal the manpower of the North after the Emancipation Proclamation and the recruitment of Black soldiers. What I'm saying is Black Americans helped the Northern cause in saving the Union. They also spied for the Union. The Emancipation Proclamation angered the South. When the South moved to recruit Blacks to save their Cause, it furthur destroyed the myth of White Supremacy. A Georgian Politician stated exactly that.

African Americans have nothing to be ashamed of when they hear white supremacists speak, because their ancestors helped build this country into what it is today. They were there when America pushed further out West too. They used these same African American soldiers to protect whites against Indians. I'm pretty sure people have heard of the Buffalo soldiers by now. They took a lot of heat from white supremacists they protected too when they could have just let the Indians massacre them. I know it is very hard for some white people to tell their fellow Southern white Americans, but they need to hear the Truth even though it will break their little hearts. The Confederate Flag represents a time of Treason, rebellion, and rejection of the United States as a country. The only thing it is good for is a Museum and for History. To try and discredit African Americans as less worthy than some whites, is just plain dumb. Like General Sherman said, White Southerners can't get their slaves back just like their dead grandfathers, because slavery is dead, dead, dead! And they hated Sherman. War is hell.

Marthe48

(16,975 posts)
72. Some Confederates refused to sign a 'test oath of loyalty'
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:43 PM
Jul 2013

and went to some South American countries. Americana, in Brazil, has about 100,000 descendants of some of the confederates who left the United States rather than admit THEY LOST. America did not and does not want racism to rule.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
45. What's your point?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:51 PM
Jul 2013

Are you trying to argue that the guy who unfurled the Confederate flag at the school board meeting is not a secessionist and racist?

Come on, pal, really?

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
62. My point is that to many are quick to point fingers at the south.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:38 PM
Jul 2013

Is he a secessionist? Don't know, do you! Is he a racists, yes one that lives in Ohio. How much simpler did you need it to be?

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
66. Waving a Confederate flag at a Civil War reenactment is one thing.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:48 PM
Jul 2013

On the other hand, waving a Confederate flag during an official, public business meeting is kind of the definition of being a modern day secessionist.

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
77. "is kind of the definition"
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:31 AM
Jul 2013

How can anyone argue with that kind of logic? Brilliant, you mean you assume, and you know what they say about assume.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
79. Are you just trying to be snidely insulting . . .
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:02 AM
Jul 2013

Do you have a minimally cogent point to offer, or are you just trying to be snidely insulting?

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
90. Lady Antebellum? I can hardly believe that they not only exist, but are popular.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 06:00 PM
Jul 2013

Evidently a lot of people either don't know, or don't care, what "antebellum" means.

Cirque du So-What

(25,941 posts)
11. The location must be taken into account
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:30 PM
Jul 2013

an overwhelmingly white town, between Cincinnati and Dayton, so it attracts a certain racist element who want to preserve a 'white oasis.' The reason why this racist was allowed to go on at length is probably due to school board elections, where candidates must smooch many pasty, racist rumps to get elected.

SIU_Blue

(573 posts)
16. Some Context
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:34 PM
Jul 2013

(Full disclosure: I work for the union which represents the Springboro teachers and support staff)

The School Board meeting was packed on this particular occasion by parents supporting teachers during contentious contract negotiations (see http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/local/warren/parents-pack-springboro-school-meeting). The reason for the contentious contract negotiations is the president of the School Board, one Kelly Kohls, who also happens to be the chair of the Warren County Tea Party. Mrs. Kohls goes around the state preaching all kinds of venom about overpaid teachers and fiscal responsibility. She even set up a statewide group for conservative school board members (see: http://osblc.org/index.php/about/board-of-directors/31-kelly-kohls). Of course, as typical for these types, fiscal responsibility only applies to others. She herself declared bankruptcy in 2010.

Anyway, Mrs. Kohls recently got herself in even more hot water after sending an email to Springboro parents inviting students to a "history" course being taught by a white supremacist. So it's really no surprise that her tea party (read: klan) buddies showed up at her meeting.

The good news is that, even in this conservative community, parents and teachers are standing up to her. You can read more on their facebook page: Springboro United for Responsible Education.

P.S. - The teachers settled a contract with the board late Thursday. Try as she might, she was unsuccessful at breaking the Union.



TexasTowelie

(112,249 posts)
19. The end of the bankruptcy article was interesting.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:54 PM
Jul 2013

Her husband, Thomas Kohls works for Bill DeLord Auto Center in Lebanon. He expects his income to be lower this year because the dealership no longer sells Cadillac and Pontiac and because the government’s Cash for Clunkers program has expired.

I bet that they were calling "Cash for Clunkers" part of Obama's evil socialist plan while he was cashing his paychecks.

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
22. I wonder what the next generation of kids will think
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jul 2013

when they read about this period in American history. We've been moving backwards for quite a few years now. It's absolutely depressing.

Marthe48

(16,975 posts)
61. Wish idiots like this would go South
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:26 PM
Jul 2013

or whatever direction their fantasy Confederacy is and leave the USA alone. He should talk to a shrink, not a school board.

Marthe48

(16,975 posts)
73. Thankfully, the commenters below Raw Story
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:52 PM
Jul 2013

are in agreement that the guy is an idiot, doesn't understand Ohio's role in the Civil War or Emancipation.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
98. another usa nutter group with massive upgrade money backing from *someone*
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 06:55 AM
Jul 2013

It's at the most local of levels these R paid nuts are allowed to spread their nazi-kkk,cancer and well paid to do it.

chelsea0011

(10,115 posts)
101. But i thought the tea party took it's name from the founding fathers?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 07:52 AM
Jul 2013

Shouldn't he be flying the Betsy Ross flag?

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