Ohio tea party member flies Confederate flag during racist rant at school board meeting
Source: Raw Story
Springboro, Ohio residents are up in arms after a member of the local tea party unfurled a Confederate flag at a meeting of the towns school board Thursday. According to Huffington Post, Sonny Thomas, who bills himself as the president and founder of the Springboro Tea Party was protesting the removal of a set of religiously-themed and ideologically slanted classes from the districts summer curriculum.
Thomas, who has a history of racist and inflammatory statements, reportedly gave an impassioned defense of the classes, which were intended for parents and children. The summer courses were sponsored by the Institute of the Constitution, an offshoot group from right-wing think tank The American View and the National Center for Constitutional Studies, a religious-themed nationalist group funded by the Church of Latter Day Saints.
In his speech, Thomas made racist remarks, invoked neo-Confederate group The League of the South and displayed the Confederate flag, saying that African-Americans in the U.S. should consider themselves lucky since they are treated better in the United States than they would be if they were in Black Countries with genocide, according to Springboro resident Nimisha Patel.
Patel also noted the school board members showed unusual deference to Thomas, allowing his remarks to run over his allotted time slot. They also allowed him to stay for the rest of the meeting, whereas other speakers who the board deemed problematic were escorted from the premises.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/13/ohio-tea-party-member-flies-confederate-flag-during-racist-rant-at-school-board-meeting/
merrily
(45,251 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Still take confederate money.
sakabatou
(42,155 posts)TP the tp .
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)but also 'toilet paper'. Not much difference between the two.
sakabatou
(42,155 posts)IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)But it's what I meant.
Imagine the surprise on a friend's face when she saw my grocery list. One entry read: pot
No, she didn't take it to mean cookware; she thought I meant weed. I really meant potatoes.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Meanwhile I have to watch out for the cops - not that half of them don't have a stash of their own, but they'd love an excuse to arrest me, for political reasons.
Actually, when I first moved here, the previous town mayor had been the main connection in town. During his term of office, too.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)No need to grow my own, even if I were so inclined.
tonekat
(1,815 posts)Where the lawyers get high and the cops get high and the troopers get high and the mayor gets high and the doctors get high and the teachers get high and the....
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Arrest that lawbreaker, throw 'em in jail, and make an example of them! Protect American family values!
I don't advocate getting stoned anymore than falling down drunk or overeating to the point of obesity. However, that doesn't mean I should be denied a puff or nip or sip, either. People are going to do what people are going to do, period. No future or sense in criminalizing moderate indulgence when far more dangerous activities are winked at or even encouraged. I'd rather take the occasional reefer than most of what Big Pharma pushes. My bad cholesterol runs a little high but I'd rather croak from a stroke before taking statins, which are guaranteed to ruin your liver. Never take one thing that has to be chased by another to mitigate(?) the effects of the first.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)my 91-year-old Great Aunt said awhile back. One of her doctors ordered a new prescription -- something potassium which the pharmacy abbreviated to "pot." She refused to take it until she saw her doctor again. Bringing the prescription bottle with her, she couldn't even say the word "pot," she just handed him the bottle, pointed to the word and stated, "I don't want to be addicted to drugs!" I've got to hand it to her doctor who explained the abbreviation, explained that he couldn't give her a prescription for pot (only a recommendation) even if he wanted to and that pot is not addictive.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)When you can buy good pot anywhere, just like bubblegum.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)the school board? As you stated, What The Fuck...
I guess red congressional districts elect racist school board members..
Another example of how this shit starts as the local community level. I bet there were few science believing citizens running against these people in the local elections.....
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)Oops, Ohio, my bad!
merrily
(45,251 posts)I never noticed that before!
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)But as the product of a mixed marriage (damnYankee dad and liberal southern belle mom, though both Irish), I know that Quantrill and Jesse James are widely revered throughout the south, hardly below Lee. I don't know how Ohio has turned out so badly; you'd think they were far enough north to have a little sense. Just goes to prove ignorance and hate have no boundaries. In defense of a certain percentage of southerners, I always offer Morris Dees and even some well known liberals from Texas. Good sense and decency can prevail under the most inhospitable conditions.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)I know. I suffered through high school there. I'd never heard of, let alone seen, a fundamentalist christian until I moved there. Our community was brimming over with them. It was culture shock of the highest order, and it left me with a permanent dislike of them.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)It always fired me up when one would ask if I were saved, when he clearly knew I was Catholic and he just wanted to start a fight. No matter what kind of affirmative answer he received, invariably he'd follow up with the even snarkier, "But do you know Jesus personally?" Knowing how badly he itched to pee higher on my leg and tell me it was raining, often I'd cup a hand behind one ear, glance upward and give a slight nod, then tell the idiot, "Yes, I know him well enough to hear him telling me loud and clear right now, DO NOT GO UPSIDE THAT FOOL'S HEAD FOR POSING SUCH AN ARROGANT QUESTION!"
Oddly enough, I never had anyone press the matter further. But I generally got quite an undeserved reputation as a grouch at best.
Try it sometimes; it's fun.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)has asked me if I was saved. I got enough of that in HS to last a lifetime.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)A person didn't actually have to travel when living there, because people from all over the world came in abundance.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)ladym55
(2,577 posts)We have a Senator like Sherrod Brown and progressive representatives like Marcia Fudge, Tim Ryan, and Marcy Kaptur. But then again we have an absolute tool for a governor and a gerrymandered state house filled with idiots.
Unfortunately, we do have lots of smaller communities who would like us to be more like Mississippi, and we are on our way with a current job growth ranking of 47/50. We have lots o' racists and lots o' creationists, too, and they do tend to be loud and obnoxious.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Wherever they go.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Ignorance and bigotry permeate the nation.
Ignorance and bigotry are being fostered by the Fascists. This is becoming more clear by the day. This is PRECISELY how it happened in pre-Nazi Germany.
Fascism requires a scape goat. It is no coincidence that the American right has the very same set of scape goats that the Nazis did. Teh unions, teh gays, teh commies, teh socialists, the racial minorities, teh liberals, teh useless eaters (takers) and "progressives".
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Then he'll have a chance to re-fight the Civil War for real, in his local county lock-up.
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)The south does not have exclusive rights to racism, although some would have you believe otherwise.
During the American Civil War, the State of Ohio played a key role in providing troops, military officers, and supplies to the Union army.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_in_the_American_Civil_War
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The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Look up Gov. Vallandingham, for rum fun on the topic.
"I will fight the secesh till Hell freezes over, then fight on the ice."
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)...and the state provided some of the finest regiments that served the union cause.
There have always been 2 Ohios. Same for Indiana and Illinois. Probably true for every northern state to some degree.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)What he and his Missourians did to Lawrence Kansas in 1863 set a new low for Americans' brutality to one another.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Confederate revisionists wanted to show the murdering SOB "proper respect as a hero of the Confederacy".
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Is the rest still securely in hell?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Dover, Ohio (called Canal Dover when he lived there).
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)One wonders which pieces the State of Kansas chose to keep?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Evidently, one of Quantrill's OH buddies (who helped Quantrill's mother dig up his remains in KY to be buried in OH) was an enterprising sort and sold various parts to collectors. This ticked off the old Confederates who thought he wouldn't be rendered the "respect he was due" in Yankee states.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)And, I have to add, so justly deserved.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)The chaos of war allowed him to develop fully as a psychopath.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I've heard it told that when they encountered a Union man away from his home they would kill him, decapitate him and leave the head stuck on a fence post, for the family to find.
Not nice people.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)IMO he spent enough years on the frontier to have eclipsed his Ohioan outlook. When he first got to Kansas he was still convinced that the pro-slavery faction was to blame.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)It was Illinois, ironically enough, which was widely considered to be, "Half in the Confederacy." The southern counties of President Lincoln's home State were judged to be full of "Copperheads," as Confederate sympathizers were commonly known.
Just Saying
(1,799 posts)Tens of thousands of runaway slaves escaped to Canada thru Ohio.
Sorry, had to chime in to defend my state.
We have our share of racists and loonies, but there are some amazing liberals and progressives here as well. We have Boehner, but we also have Brown.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)...... William Tecumseh Sherman.
Enthusiast
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And Rosecrans
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rdharma
(6,057 posts)Marthe48
(16,975 posts)I was born, raised and have lived in Ohio my whole life and it has become unrecognizable to me. I always thought we Ohioans were at least trying to outgrow what we were taught at home, but lately it is like everyone is taking a slime bath. I'm so glad that Sherrod Brown represents us.
7962
(11,841 posts)Vogon_Glory
(9,118 posts)Now repeat after me, kiddies:
The Tea Party is not a racist organization.
The Tea Party is not a racist organization.
The Tea Party is not a racist organization.
And if you believe that is true, Dude, maybe you can explain why you act like NASA's moon rock collection looks and smells like sheep p**p!
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)you have to click your heels three times or it doesn't count.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)mokawanis
(4,442 posts)The Springboro Tea Party FB page. They're gonna need a better slogan.
Where "Li 'Boro-Tea" is Brewing!
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)Ignoramuses who vote against their own interests.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Otherwise, both of those ladies would be slim as cheetahs
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Ugh!
merrily
(45,251 posts)It's bad enough when Southerners get all nostalgi about the good ole days of slavery they never lived through in the first place (e.g., Lady Antebellum), but Ohio?
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)A couple of examples that illustrate otherwise.
Here is a little known secret, not all southerners are racists, not all people above the mason-dixon line and west of the Mississippi are tolerant.
Here are few examples that no one wants to admit....
Last week Forest Whitaker, an Academy Award winning actor, was accused of shoplifting at a New York City deli and publicly frisked by an employee. According to TMZ, Whitaker left the store "baffled and angry," and some are asking whether he was discriminated against due to race.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/19/forest-whitaker-accused-of-shoplifting_n_2718202.html
Hate Map plots homophobia and racism across the US
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-05/14/hate-map
merrily
(45,251 posts)I live in Boston, where someone once tried to stab a black lawyer with the pointy end of a flag pole. I don't think all racists are from the South, nor do I think all Southerners are racist. (Nor do I think all Bostonians are racist.)
I do believe that anyone who looks back fondly on the Confederacy is, at the very best, racially insensitive.
But all Southerners do not do that and there are other ways to be racist.
This Ohioan is clearly racist, but that is a separate issue from why he is carrying around a Confederate flag..
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)Not trying to flame you, just gets my feathers ruffled when I see assholes like him. Then I see comments on this board about southerners. BTW, I lived in Bean town for awhile before the big dig. Haymarket square on saturdays, Faneuil Hall and the north end were my favorite places to be. Can you tell I like to eat.
merrily
(45,251 posts)But, I know what you mean. Some of us like it more than others.
My sister, for example. She starts talking about lunch as soon as she sits down for breakfast and about dinner while she's chomping on her lunch. It is funny at times and annoying at times
rdharma
(6,057 posts)But if you're saying that racism isn't "alive and well in the south", ........ you are in a serious state of denial.
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)Note who posted the OP and date....... you're a little late.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022847245
John2
(2,730 posts)that Confederate Flag because it represents the Cause the South fought for. He then claims that African Americans were treated better and should be glad they weren't still in Africa because supposedly slavery was good for them.
These people still insinuate the Confederate Flag represents their heritage and the United States. What it did represent was treason. They lost that war against the United States of America. The only reason they were accepted back into this country, was they had to accept the 13th Amendment and the abolishment of Slavery. Until then, they were a defeated people or region under occupation by Union Forces. Their economy was also destroyed in that War. Many of their leaders also lost their rights as U.S. citizens. Robert E. Lee didn't get his citizenship reinstated until long after his Death, so he died as a man without a country.
As far as concerning the state of African Americans, Before the Civil War ended, there were 200,000 African Americans in the Union Army which represented ten percent of Union Forces which gave the U.S. the man power to win that War.
It wasn't until the South was facing defeat, that Robert E. Lee argued for giving Blacks freedom if they could help the South, because white males were either killed or desserted. At least 60,000 of them desserted Lee's Army. Among the 125,000 Union troops seiging Petersburg and during the fall of Richmond were Black units. Among the first troops to enter Petersburg were Black units. The unit that escorted Lincoln's visit to Richmond, was a Black calvary unit. There were also Black units that parcipated in the chase of Lee's final efforts to break out of the approaching surrounding Union Armies.
There was no way the South could equal the manpower of the North after the Emancipation Proclamation and the recruitment of Black soldiers. What I'm saying is Black Americans helped the Northern cause in saving the Union. They also spied for the Union. The Emancipation Proclamation angered the South. When the South moved to recruit Blacks to save their Cause, it furthur destroyed the myth of White Supremacy. A Georgian Politician stated exactly that.
African Americans have nothing to be ashamed of when they hear white supremacists speak, because their ancestors helped build this country into what it is today. They were there when America pushed further out West too. They used these same African American soldiers to protect whites against Indians. I'm pretty sure people have heard of the Buffalo soldiers by now. They took a lot of heat from white supremacists they protected too when they could have just let the Indians massacre them. I know it is very hard for some white people to tell their fellow Southern white Americans, but they need to hear the Truth even though it will break their little hearts. The Confederate Flag represents a time of Treason, rebellion, and rejection of the United States as a country. The only thing it is good for is a Museum and for History. To try and discredit African Americans as less worthy than some whites, is just plain dumb. Like General Sherman said, White Southerners can't get their slaves back just like their dead grandfathers, because slavery is dead, dead, dead! And they hated Sherman. War is hell.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)and went to some South American countries. Americana, in Brazil, has about 100,000 descendants of some of the confederates who left the United States rather than admit THEY LOST. America did not and does not want racism to rule.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Are you trying to argue that the guy who unfurled the Confederate flag at the school board meeting is not a secessionist and racist?
Come on, pal, really?
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)Is he a secessionist? Don't know, do you! Is he a racists, yes one that lives in Ohio. How much simpler did you need it to be?
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)On the other hand, waving a Confederate flag during an official, public business meeting is kind of the definition of being a modern day secessionist.
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)How can anyone argue with that kind of logic? Brilliant, you mean you assume, and you know what they say about assume.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Do you have a minimally cogent point to offer, or are you just trying to be snidely insulting?
marble falls
(57,104 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:00 PM - Edit history (1)
Or it could be both at the same time.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Evidently a lot of people either don't know, or don't care, what "antebellum" means.
Cirque du So-What
(25,941 posts)an overwhelmingly white town, between Cincinnati and Dayton, so it attracts a certain racist element who want to preserve a 'white oasis.' The reason why this racist was allowed to go on at length is probably due to school board elections, where candidates must smooch many pasty, racist rumps to get elected.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)OK, just for that . . . You win the thread!
SIU_Blue
(573 posts)(Full disclosure: I work for the union which represents the Springboro teachers and support staff)
The School Board meeting was packed on this particular occasion by parents supporting teachers during contentious contract negotiations (see http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/local/warren/parents-pack-springboro-school-meeting). The reason for the contentious contract negotiations is the president of the School Board, one Kelly Kohls, who also happens to be the chair of the Warren County Tea Party. Mrs. Kohls goes around the state preaching all kinds of venom about overpaid teachers and fiscal responsibility. She even set up a statewide group for conservative school board members (see: http://osblc.org/index.php/about/board-of-directors/31-kelly-kohls). Of course, as typical for these types, fiscal responsibility only applies to others. She herself declared bankruptcy in 2010.
Anyway, Mrs. Kohls recently got herself in even more hot water after sending an email to Springboro parents inviting students to a "history" course being taught by a white supremacist. So it's really no surprise that her tea party (read: klan) buddies showed up at her meeting.
The good news is that, even in this conservative community, parents and teachers are standing up to her. You can read more on their facebook page: Springboro United for Responsible Education.
P.S. - The teachers settled a contract with the board late Thursday. Try as she might, she was unsuccessful at breaking the Union.
TexasTowelie
(112,249 posts)Her husband, Thomas Kohls works for Bill DeLord Auto Center in Lebanon. He expects his income to be lower this year because the dealership no longer sells Cadillac and Pontiac and because the governments Cash for Clunkers program has expired.
I bet that they were calling "Cash for Clunkers" part of Obama's evil socialist plan while he was cashing his paychecks.
SIU_Blue
(573 posts)ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)when they read about this period in American history. We've been moving backwards for quite a few years now. It's absolutely depressing.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)burn a confederate flag
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)The one that looks like a midget?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)iloveObama12
(421 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)Marthe48
(16,975 posts)or whatever direction their fantasy Confederacy is and leave the USA alone. He should talk to a shrink, not a school board.
Kennah
(14,273 posts)Marthe48
(16,975 posts)are in agreement that the guy is an idiot, doesn't understand Ohio's role in the Civil War or Emancipation.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)It's at the most local of levels these R paid nuts are allowed to spread their nazi-kkk,cancer and well paid to do it.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)Shouldn't he be flying the Betsy Ross flag?