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(47,532 posts)
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:28 PM Sep 2013

Stocks Have “End of Summers” Celebration Sending Dow Near All-Time High

Source: Yahoo Finance

Call it an end of Summers celebration. Stocks surged early this morning on the news that Larry Summers withdrew himself from consideration for the job as Federal Reserve Chairman. Summers sent a letter last night to President Obama saying his nomination for Fed Chair would create too many troubles for the administration and the nation. Vice Chair Janet Yellen now emerges as the sole frontrunner to replace Ben Bernanke at the end of his term. The Dow moved within 1% of its all-time high and the S&P 500 once again topped 1,700, before paring some gains late in the session. The Nasdaq closed slightly negative.


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Stocks Have “End of Summers” Celebration Sending Dow Near All-Time High (Original Post) question everything Sep 2013 OP
except aapl .. getting burned on that one .. srican69 Sep 2013 #1
Strange. treestar Sep 2013 #2
This reminds me of the claims about Bill Clinton SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2013 #3
Anything's possible, but I really doubt that Jack Rabbit Sep 2013 #4
Could be. "Wall Street looks set to get who it wants as Federal Reserve chairman, but definitely not pampango Sep 2013 #6
I know that Elizabeth Warren preferred Yellen. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2013 #8
That was my first thought! elleng Sep 2013 #5
So let me get this straight: Larry Summers was supposed to be the person Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #7
The markets hate uncertainty. So removing one of two front runners makes the choice more clear Paulie Sep 2013 #10
A market does not put its money where its mouth is. Lasher Sep 2013 #14
Now that we know how much we are played by the media, SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2013 #9
The people on DU who creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #15
I'm not so sure. I'm only half joking on this. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2013 #16
You all realize that very soon (maybe Wednesday) the tap on QE is going to move shut? NoOneMan Sep 2013 #11
Paul Krugman explained it a couple of weeks ago starroute Sep 2013 #12
HA! blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #13

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,142 posts)
3. This reminds me of the claims about Bill Clinton
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:34 PM
Sep 2013

There was this constant media buzz about President Clinton during his time in office. "He's a brilliant politician". He actually set up the crash and help to outsource American jobs along with deregulating the media.

Now I'm wondering if all the bad press about Summers was a set-up because he would have cracked down on Wall Street and they knew it.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
4. Anything's possible, but I really doubt that
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:52 PM
Sep 2013

I must admit that I expected Wall Street to take a dive on the good news the way it often surges on bad news, like a rise in unemployment.

Let's remember that the outcry about Summers came from people like me on the political port side, not exactly allies of Wall Street tycoons in normal times and thinking of them as traitors in times like this. There is certainly nothing in Summers' past to indicate he would have cracked down on fraud. Summers is more like the crooked sheriff coming to Dodge City. Well, he's not coming to Dodge City.

I don't know what explains today's market surge.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
6. Could be. "Wall Street looks set to get who it wants as Federal Reserve chairman, but definitely not
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:56 PM
Sep 2013

who it expected. "

The CNBC September Fed Survey, conducted Thursday and Friday, found Wall Street participants by a 2-to-1 margin believed President Barack Obama would nominate former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers to be the next Fed Chairman. But by about a 5-to-1 margin, they wanted current Vice Chairwoman Janet Yellen to accede to the top post over Summers.

http://t.nbcnews.com/business/if-its-yellen-wall-street-gets-fed-chief-it-wanted-8C11166978

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,142 posts)
8. I know that Elizabeth Warren preferred Yellen.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:14 PM
Sep 2013

I'm anxious to see what Warren says about this. I hope she wasn't played as well.

I recall seeing Summers interviewed by Charlie Rose about 6 months ago. It struck me then that he'd be tough on Wall Street. But he's such a perceived jerk and arrogant, that he made himself a target for everyone.

http://www.charlierose.com/watch/60185807

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
7. So let me get this straight: Larry Summers was supposed to be the person
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:04 PM
Sep 2013

that DU hated; he was supposed to be Wall Street's Puppet--their best friend. If that's the case, why are they celebrating?

Hmmm...

Methinks the DU ODSers don't know what the hell they're talking about.

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
10. The markets hate uncertainty. So removing one of two front runners makes the choice more clear
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:26 PM
Sep 2013

The sharks care about the fish but if a bottom trawler pulls up the Summers then it (the market) will take whatever it can get.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,142 posts)
9. Now that we know how much we are played by the media,
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:23 PM
Sep 2013

isn't it time to react? To let them know and raise serious questions about transparency?

From the notorious The Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/sep/16/janet-yellen-fed-chair-larry-summers

creeksneakers2

(7,476 posts)
15. The people on DU who
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:34 PM
Sep 2013

called Summers and even Obama tools of Wall Street must have been wrong. There was no plot by the media.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
11. You all realize that very soon (maybe Wednesday) the tap on QE is going to move shut?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:01 PM
Sep 2013

So....I'm just saying....you might want to take your profits like the savvy guys and not be standing in the cold holding your wang on Thursday.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
12. Paul Krugman explained it a couple of weeks ago
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:23 PM
Sep 2013

The short version is that Summers was considered more likely to pull back prematurely on anti-recession policies, and the market didn't like that.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/03/summers-the-shiftless/?_r=0

A few months ago Christy Romer gave an excellent talk on the prospects for monetary policy in a liquidity trap, titled It Takes A Regime Shift (pdf). As many of us have noted, the central bank has very little direct traction when safe short-term rates are at the zero lower bound; maybe it can achieve something by buying lots of unconventional assets (“quantitative easing”), but its main hope of achieving anything is through “expectations management” — convincing both financial markets and players in the real economy that it will hold off much longer on tightening once the economy improves than they currently expect, which will lead to higher expected inflation and demand, and hence higher spending now.

However, engineering such a change in expectations — what I long ago dubbed a credible promise to be irresponsible — is hard. How do you convince people that the central bank won’t just revert to type, always eager to snatch away the punchbowl, at the first signs of economic improvement?

Romer’s answer is that it takes a “regime shift” — a set of actions that reflect a clear break with the past. FDR achieved such a regime shift in the 1930s by going off the gold standard, and in general by bringing in a, well, New Deal. Shinzo Abe may (the returns aren’t in yet) be achieving something similar simply by talking and acting in such a seemingly un-Japanese way; I suspect that Abenomics is working better than one might have expected precisely because Abe seemed to be such an ordinary Japanese machine politician, until he started moving on economic policy.

This, I think, is the way to read today’s report by Binyamin Applebaum on how the rising odds of a Summers appointment to the Fed is already having a chilling effect on the economy. A Yellen appointment would clearly have represented something new at the Fed — not just because she is, as Garrison Keillor used to say, a person of gender, but also because she has been a strong and consistent monetary dove, and took that position before it was fashionable.

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