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Judi Lynn

(160,644 posts)
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 04:14 PM Mar 2012

NC judge could terminate parental rights of deported worker, put US-born sons up for adoption

Source: Associated Press

NC judge could terminate parental rights of deported worker, put US-born sons up for adoption
Article by: MICHAEL BIESECKER and GOSIA WOZNIACKA , Associated Press
Updated: March 9, 2012 - 1:47 PM

RALEIGH, N.C. - When immigration agents deported Felipe Montes to Mexico two years ago, his three young sons were left in the care of their mentally ill, American-born mother in a small North Carolina mountain town.

Despite immigration policies that allow for the release of primary caregivers, federal authorities worked swiftly to expel Montes. Within two weeks, social workers placed the boys in foster care.

Child welfare officials are now asking a judge to strip Montes of his parental rights, reasoning it's better for the children to live with strangers in the country where they were born than with their father in Mexico. Such a ruling could clear the way for their adoption.

That would be unfathomable to Montes, whose only brushes with the law were a string of traffic violations.


Read more: http://www.startribune.com/nation/142093133.html

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NC judge could terminate parental rights of deported worker, put US-born sons up for adoption (Original Post) Judi Lynn Mar 2012 OP
That is insane. No words really. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #1
Holy mother of god! Nt postulater Mar 2012 #2
I see that human trafficking is alive and well in this country. nt Xipe Totec Mar 2012 #3
Brilliant! America-where families are broken apart. Justice wanted Mar 2012 #4
This is really fucking ugly. Comprehensive immigration reform now! Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #5
This judge obviously does not believe in Karma Sanity Claws Mar 2012 #6
That's because there is no Karma FiveGoodMen Mar 2012 #15
Is it April 5th already??? I need a new Calendar... happyslug Mar 2012 #34
That is beyond fucked up. Solly Mack Mar 2012 #7
and the "beyond" and "up" can easily go away saras Mar 2012 #17
"child welfare" officials? They are the ones mentally ill. asjr Mar 2012 #8
Trust me, if these were 3 fetuses it would be a different scenario LynneSin Mar 2012 #9
I do not understand why they won't let these children move to Mexico unless there is more to the Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #10
Does the father want them with him in Mexico? Throckmorton Mar 2012 #29
I dont see why the mexican government would object, they are after all children of a mexican citizen cstanleytech Mar 2012 #52
Ah, wanted to take advantage of the opportunity, but not do it legally. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #11
How do you know what this father wanted? EFerrari Mar 2012 #21
either he was picked up by an errant wind our he wanted to live in the US. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #27
What part of "maybe he didn't have the money" bitchkitty Mar 2012 #30
If you choose to drive, but don't want to pay for your car registration or insurance Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #33
If I am trying to feed my children, bitchkitty Mar 2012 #36
No seat belts in your car: I'm trying to feed my family! nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #39
No money for insurance: lose your children! n/t bitchkitty Mar 2012 #40
yes, if you can't pay for required safety measures Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #41
I am not a religious woman, bitchkitty Mar 2012 #42
yes an adopted daughter and I hope that if Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #44
My brother has got a Filipino wife, it has costed over $5000 so far. joshcryer Mar 2012 #46
And yet in other places they Smilo Mar 2012 #12
Un-fucking-believable... truebrit71 Mar 2012 #13
Could you imagine another country kicking an American out and putting his kids up for adoption? JBoy Mar 2012 #14
Where is the family values crowd? westburbswimmer Mar 2012 #16
No better than when US had slavery Bryn Mar 2012 #18
Our nation is unhinged, totally deranged... radhika Mar 2012 #19
Two *dozen* brushes with the law? boppers Mar 2012 #20
the offense is "Driving while hispanic" DBoon Mar 2012 #23
Or "driving when you know it's a crime, two dozen times". boppers Mar 2012 #25
It must be nice, to be so pure and above it all. bitchkitty Mar 2012 #31
Being liberal and/or a democrat does not require endorsing criminal behavior. PavePusher Mar 2012 #32
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #43
What other environmental and safety regulations can you skip if you are "feeding your family"? Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #35
Omigod, you're right. bitchkitty Mar 2012 #37
That's quite a trump card. No catalytic converter: I'm trying to feed my family! Open wiring in Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #38
Illegal immigrant. How conveniently some people overlook that first word. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #50
Democracies have laws. boppers Mar 2012 #51
Pulling over someone you know does not have a licence... PavePusher Mar 2012 #26
He's the biological father, he's not mentally ill rocktivity Mar 2012 #22
This saga is what popped into my mind immediately. Chemisse Mar 2012 #45
of course because Elian Gonzalez was Cuban the right wing HOWLED against deporting him alp227 Mar 2012 #48
Damn THEM! burrowowl Mar 2012 #24
What is the legal standard for terminating parental rights in NC? treestar Mar 2012 #28
I hope the Mexican Consul springs for a lawyer mitchtv Mar 2012 #47
Family court=worse than the US Supreme Court. alp227 Mar 2012 #49
 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
5. This is really fucking ugly. Comprehensive immigration reform now!
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 04:23 PM
Mar 2012

No more perpetual "secure the borders first" bullshit.

Sanity Claws

(21,857 posts)
6. This judge obviously does not believe in Karma
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 04:27 PM
Mar 2012

How could anyone deprive children of their parents for political reasons? Something is missing in that person.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
15. That's because there is no Karma
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:41 PM
Mar 2012

If we can't do something about monsters like him, then nothing will be done.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
34. Is it April 5th already??? I need a new Calendar...
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:52 PM
Mar 2012

The judge will NOT make his or her decision till 5th. The only concern with sending the child back to the father is the lack of running water at the father's present address in rural Mexico (the house has electricity).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/nc-deportation-case-highl_0_n_1335779.html

I know enough about family law to say the only reason we maybe hearing this case is the foster parents may want to adopt the three children. The reason I say that is simple, most children agencies will gladly send the child to the father, especially since there is a report from the Mexican Children protective service that they found the father's house fit (the lack of water is a concern even in Mexico, but such homes exist in every state of the US so NOT that big of a concern). Thus I do NOT see any reason why the Judge will NOT order the Children to Mexico and their Father, but the foster parents can put pressure on the Carolina Child Protective Services, for this is they best chance to adopt a child. The reason for the want to adopt can be that the foster parents have had the Children in their lives for several months and feel real affection to the children, and now they are "losing" them.

As to the delay in sending the children to their father, that has more to do with the investigation to make sure the children are being returned to a safe environment then anything else.

One comment on the Huffington Post Article, it mentioned that the lawyer was looking into dual citizenship for these Children. Since they were all born in the US, they already have US citizenship, and my understanding of Mexican law, since they father was a Mexican, they have Mexican Citizenship (Mexico does nationality citizenship, not residential citizenship as does the US).

Solly Mack

(90,789 posts)
7. That is beyond fucked up.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 04:27 PM
Mar 2012

"The foster couple caring for the older boys has expressed an interest in adopting them, Shumate said." (Hmmm...)

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
9. Trust me, if these were 3 fetuses it would be a different scenario
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 04:38 PM
Mar 2012

Since we do everything to protect the fetuses but screw the children that are born of them!

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
10. I do not understand why they won't let these children move to Mexico unless there is more to the
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 04:42 PM
Mar 2012

story. nt

Throckmorton

(3,579 posts)
29. Does the father want them with him in Mexico?
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 09:30 AM
Mar 2012

I didn't see where it said anything one way or another?
Will the Mexican Government let them in?

cstanleytech

(26,332 posts)
52. I dont see why the mexican government would object, they are after all children of a mexican citizen
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 01:56 AM
Mar 2012

arent they? So the US should just turn them over to him and let their father raise them and then later on they can decide if they want to move back here when they are adults since they have US citizenship.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
11. Ah, wanted to take advantage of the opportunity, but not do it legally.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 04:43 PM
Mar 2012

"Three years after Montes came to the U.S., he married a North Carolina native and the couple rented a trailer near Sparta, a town of about 2,000. The marriage made him eligible for legal immigration status, but he didn't undertake the lengthy, expensive process."

Still should let the kids go to Mexico.

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
30. What part of "maybe he didn't have the money"
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:14 PM
Mar 2012

don't you understand? Are you channeling Marie Antoinette, or are you just an asshole?

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
33. If you choose to drive, but don't want to pay for your car registration or insurance
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:50 PM
Mar 2012

is it considered forgivable?

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
36. If I am trying to feed my children,
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 08:00 PM
Mar 2012

you're goddamned right it's forgiveable. What are you, Mr. Perfect? And who the hell are you to pass judgement anyway, the Highway Freaking Patrol? Jesus!

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
41. yes, if you can't pay for required safety measures
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 10:40 PM
Mar 2012

For your kids and others than you probably should not be allowed to keep your children.

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
42. I am not a religious woman,
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 10:50 PM
Mar 2012

but right now I'm praying hard that you do not have children, and that you never subject the world to your genes by having them in the future.

That's all I have to say to you. Congratulations for being the first person that I have ever blocked.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
44. yes an adopted daughter and I hope that if
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 10:57 PM
Mar 2012

I ever can't afford a car registration or a catalytic converter, I will have found someone else to take them in and care for them properly.

joshcryer

(62,277 posts)
46. My brother has got a Filipino wife, it has costed over $5000 so far.
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 11:27 PM
Mar 2012

You've got to be kidding me. They need cash payments, up front. INS cost just to file for legal status (permanent residency) is $1000 on its own.

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
12. And yet in other places they
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 05:12 PM
Mar 2012

do everything they can to keep the children and birth parents together even though it is obvious it is not in the best interests of the children.

Something stinks with this........ who are the foster parents and are they wanting to adopt?

JBoy

(8,021 posts)
14. Could you imagine another country kicking an American out and putting his kids up for adoption?
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:38 PM
Mar 2012

People would be demanding an invasion.

16. Where is the family values crowd?
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:42 PM
Mar 2012

Where is the "family values" crowd? They should be defending these people and screaming about the sanctity of the parent child relationship just like the did for Elian Gonzales and his father.

Oh wait, that didn't happen. Turns out I even wrote Dobson about that and the response was essentially that they hate communism more than they love the parent-child relationship. My guess is they hate immigrants more too.

Bryn

(3,621 posts)
18. No better than when US had slavery
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 08:03 PM
Mar 2012

Lots of families were torn apart when slaveowners sold/bought slaves.

radhika

(1,008 posts)
19. Our nation is unhinged, totally deranged...
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:33 PM
Mar 2012

Stripping parental rights from a (presumably decent) willing father makes my head spin. Seems it is currently beyond our consciousness as a nation to allow this family some modest gifts of grace. Like, allow the father to stay here, possibly help the family with social services to stabilize the children's life without a functional co-parent (mom).

Why does America always pick the ugly way out?

boppers

(16,588 posts)
20. Two *dozen* brushes with the law?
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 11:15 PM
Mar 2012

"Police Chief Bob Lane confirmed that his officers sometimes pulled Montes solely because they recognized him. In little more than two years, court records show Montes was cited more than two dozen times for driving with an expired license, an expired registration and without insurance."

boppers

(16,588 posts)
25. Or "driving when you know it's a crime, two dozen times".
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 07:03 AM
Mar 2012

He couldn't get a valid license without some effort, so he decided that he'd rather break the law.

24+ times.

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
31. It must be nice, to be so pure and above it all.
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:16 PM
Mar 2012

God help you if you ever have to choose between feeding your children and obeying the law.

Why are there so many heartless assholes on DU? Isn't this DEMOCRATIC underground?

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
32. Being liberal and/or a democrat does not require endorsing criminal behavior.
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:49 PM
Mar 2012

I will point out that if he's capable of supporting his kids in Mexico, perhaps he should have stayed, or come in legally, in the first place.

Response to PavePusher (Reply #32)

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
35. What other environmental and safety regulations can you skip if you are "feeding your family"?
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:52 PM
Mar 2012

Does your house have to meet safety codes?

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
37. Omigod, you're right.
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 08:02 PM
Mar 2012

He should have his children removed from his custody. Freaking immigrants, who do they think they are? He should have stayed in Mexico and gotten a job with the cartel.

Some people!

Do I need a sarcasm icon here?

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
38. That's quite a trump card. No catalytic converter: I'm trying to feed my family! Open wiring in
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 08:43 PM
Mar 2012

the home: I'm trying to feed my family! Improper disposal of oil: I'm trying to feed my family!

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
26. Pulling over someone you know does not have a licence...
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 08:55 AM
Mar 2012

and who's car is not legally registered is not justifiable?

Did I miss a memo?

rocktivity

(44,580 posts)
22. He's the biological father, he's not mentally ill
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 11:40 PM
Mar 2012

so if he wants custody of kids, he should have them.




rocktivity

Chemisse

(30,817 posts)
45. This saga is what popped into my mind immediately.
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 11:12 PM
Mar 2012

There is no excuse for separating children from a loving parent.

alp227

(32,064 posts)
48. of course because Elian Gonzalez was Cuban the right wing HOWLED against deporting him
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 01:59 AM
Mar 2012

because Cuba was a Communist country and thus Elian DESERVES to stay in good ol' America! Yet those same right wingers see these Mexican-American children are just worthless "anchor babies", and since Mexico isn't a Communist country, who cares about them?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
28. What is the legal standard for terminating parental rights in NC?
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 09:22 AM
Mar 2012

It would have to be shockingly loose for that argument to stand.

Parental rights are protected strongly - it's hard to lose them. So this argument should not win out.

alp227

(32,064 posts)
49. Family court=worse than the US Supreme Court.
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 02:02 AM
Mar 2012

Geez. This guy never abused his kids and can't take care of them over an immigration issue? Yet there are fathers in this country who get away with abusing their children again and again and divorced fathers whose ex spouses use false accusations to prevent father from having custody.

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