Maduro warning to the world: Venezuela faces an attempted coup

[reddread]

Source: Telesur

"Right now being sought to testify why they knew what was going to happen in Venezuela. Carratú Good will come to tell who was who called to alert him that he would be dead in Venezuela, "he added.

From Paseo Bicentennial Youth in Aragua (central region) state, Maduro said that there will be justice for the bloodshed in the country, after two people were killed and 23 were injured in the demonstration.

"We can not allow further bloodshed. Want peace and justice," said the Venezuelan leader.

Who warned that street violence is exercised will see justice. "Whoever it is, wherever this will have to go to jail, because you have to respect the right to life to the peace of our people," he said.

Similarly, the South American dignitary who noted that promotes bigotry against families will seek to think differently and taken to jail.

At the same time, he asked the people to be vigilant and not allow more violence. "We want peace, but with fairness and respect. We respect that we are respected, "he said.

This Wednesday, fascist groups of the Venezuelan right sowed violence in a protest march which sought to "tarnish the celebration of the bicentenary of the Battle of Victoria".

The call was initiated by opposition presidential exprecandidatos who for several days with violent speeches urged the call out to cause chaos called "disguised" peaceful protest.

Ecuador sympathizes

The Government of Ecuador on Wednesday expressed their rejection to the violence that occurred in Venezuela after protests called by opposition groups will be settled with two dead and dozens injured.

In a statement issued by the Ecuadorian Foreign Ministry, the government of President Rafael Correa, condemns acts of violence and vandalism caused by irresponsible opposition actors.


Read more: http://www.telesurtv.net/articulos/2014/02/12/maduro-alerta-al-mundo-venezuela-enfrenta-un-golpe-de-estado-3041.html

[Gman]

1. This time in Latin America

I would say that not only is the CIA hard at work, but so is the RW. They couldn't get Chavez, but they'll try to make VZ a right wing ruled country with all it's oil.

Granted Madura needs to go. But surely there's another Chavez out there.

[SamKnause]

3. Curious as to why you think Madura needs to go ?

Unfortunately there will never be another Hugo Chavez.

[Gman]

20. He wrecked the economy in the short while

He's been there.

[snooper2]

26. Oh his predecessor had a good start on that

[Bacchus4.0]

33. correct, Maduro both inherited a mess and is a moron n/t

[SamKnause]

2. Thank you for posting.

[Coyotl]

40. Terrible translation though.

Surely you could do a little better than that?

[SamKnause]

41. Are you sure you replied to the correct person ?

I didn't translate anything.

I agree the article, which I did not post, did a lousy job.

I found several other articles.

[TheMathieu]

4. Maybe he should stop killing peaceful student protesters.

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Armed vigilantes on motorcycles attacked anti-government demonstrators in Venezuela on Wednesday, setting off a stampede by firing into crowds as the biggest protest against President Nicolas Maduro's year-old administration turned violent. Three people were killed.

The unrest comes on the heels of a wave of increasingly violent, student-led protests that have spread across Venezuela the past two weeks. Their anger is being fueled by frustration with Maduro's handling of the inflation-plagued economy, worsening crime and human rights concerns.

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2014/02/12/venezuelan-anti-government-protests-turn-violent

[sked14]

5. Can't be,

it's always the fault of the CIA or RW agitators, not the Maduro govt.
Just in case anyone thinks I'm serious.

[Comrade Grumpy]

16. Hmmm, peaceful demonstrators, you say?

"a wave of increasingly violent, student-led protests"

[sked14]

17. Same thing that happened during the Vietnam War protests.

Do you condemn them also?

[pampango]

43. Those kids at Kent State deserved what they got.

Sometimes it seems that we pick a side to back, then support whatever that side does. No reflection, no second thoughts. No, "I like the guy but there is not excuse for that."

Everything they do is justified in the light of the 'evil enemy' lurking out there (terrorists, republicans, Venezuelan conservatives, socialists) who somehow never seem to go away and serve as a permanent foil for whatever action the "good" guy wants to take.

For some it may be support for Obama; for some it is Maduro; for some it may be Putin; for some it was Bush; for some it may be Rand Paul or his ilk. "Your guy" can do no wrong and anything that looks like a mistake is really justified in light of the 'evil enemy' out there.

[Zorro]

6. Manuro is setting the stage for more severe repression of his political opposition

in the name of defending the country.

Be prepared to hear even more accusations of US/CIA/RW/capitalist attempts to overthrow the Venezuelan government and stop the glorious Bolivarian Revolution.

It's something he's learned from his Cuban taskmasters.

[reddread]

7. pathological liars or paranoids?

or just inside knowledge?

[delrem]

8. 2002. Honduras. Central/South American history the past 50 yrs.

Putting those factors together doesn't equal "paranoia", or falsification, or anything other than simple common sense for *any* leftist gov't in Central/South America.

[reddread]

9. Well, you cant blame the US, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala_Civil_War

[sked14]

11. Maduro doesn't need the US or CIA,

he's doing a dandy job of destroying the Venezuelen economy all by himself, but I understand why he blames the US, if he admitted fault, he would be thrown out on his ear PDQ.

[delrem]

13. He just won election, sked14. So you'll have to wait.

Just as you had to wait through the Chavez years. Tough luck for you.

[sked14]

14. It's not tough luck for me,

it's tough luck for the VN. people as their economy sinks further and further into the toilet and the crime rate rises and rises.

[melm00se]

18. yup

the country is in a recession (GDP shrank by 0.4%), inflation is running at 42% (with one economics professor calculating 200+%) and the Bolivar dropped 32% (official rate, the black market rate is reportedly double that) vs the US dollar (portending a potential devaluation).

Other economic data and manufacturing announcements indicate a drop in new auto sales by 87% forcing Toyota and GM to halt production and Ford scaling back.

Couple this with an increasing crime rate: the official murder rate of 39 murders/100,000 (the Venezuelan Violence Observatory indicates that number may be very low, they calculated it at almost double: 79/100,000), Venezuela is experiencing a large outflow of emigrants: 500,000 to 1,000,000 (or 1.5 to 3% of the population) since 2000 depending upon the source. Many of them indicating that personal security and economic security as their reason for leaving.

To be fair, there is some data that indicates that immigration to Venezuela is double their emigration numbers but the difference in the 2 groups is rather dramatic. The outbound Venezuelans are, reportedly, young and college educated, the inbound ones are refugees from Colombia, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Peru, Ecuador, Chile, the Dominican Republic, the Syrian Arab Republic, and Cuba.

these issues do not bode well for the short term prospects for Venezuela.

[delrem]

19. Venezuelan people don't have your confidence in an extreme right-wing solution

to poverty, healthcare, education, and social balance.
Too bad for you and your right-wing dreams that the Venezuelan people have spoken yet again!

[sked14]

21. You said extreme right-wing solution?

So far, the Bolivarian revolution doesn't seem to be working out very well, and when the corruption of the maduro regime becomes untenable, then another revolution WILL take place.

[delrem]

37. There isn't a single FReeper who doesn't share your enthusiasm for a counter-revolution

to push back all the common people's (the majority native) democratic gains.
They all, every single one of them, had a simultaneous angina attack when Pres. Obama shook Raul's hand.

Y'all have a LONG wait in front of you because
1. The traditional right-wing counter-revolution via mercenary killers won't be so easy to pull off, nowadays - since every Central and South American citizen knows *all* about that and their gov'ts have long since put in place counter measures.
2. Central and South American countries have been uniting for economic independence (esp. from NA) and strength.

The winds of change have come to South America, and FReepers are squalling in incomprehension.

[Judi Lynn]

38. They gave only a grasp of their OWN history to inform them.

This country has always had nothing but engineered public perception to "guide" those who either are too stupid to breathe, or who truly do believe anyone who won't just kill him/herself to get out of the way of US designs on their country. As right-wingers see it, they simply had it coming when the US-financed, US-instructed, and US-puppet President ordered troops start burning down houses, bludgeoning, shooting, hacking, or even sawing with chain saws (Colombia) suspected leftists or simple campesinos who just won't leave their ancestral homes in deference to demands from the government so the land can be sold to corporations.

Every concerned person eventually ends up looking for the truth, and will work his/her way out of the planned and managed darkness in which we all have been placed by the careful plotting and scheming of our mass propagandists who are ALWAYS with us.

The US has done hideous things in the Americas, and those of us who have been doing our homework know far better than what we are reading from the pathological right-wing liars who come here to attack people of conscience.

[delrem]

39. So it's valentines in a few hrs, Judi Lynn

and I give you a heartfelt

Your posts are uniformly of the deepest and most informative on these issues, and it's a joy to follow them.
Thank you.

[polly7]

10. I'll take' inside knowledge' for 500, reddread. nt.

[Zorro]

12. You don't need a weatherman

to know which way the wind blows.

[UTUSN]

32. Yip, Norsefire is calling for another new constitution & prez-for-life n/t

[DeSwiss]

15. They'll have that Venezuelan oil by hook or by crook.

- Probably ''by crook'' since that is the one with which they are the most familiar.

K&R

Venezuela is the world's fifth largest oil exporting country and has the world's largest proven oil reserves at an estimated 296.5 billion barrels (20% of global reserves) as of 2012.

[hack89]

22. VZ will sell us all the oil we want - they have no choice

it is their main source of revenue.

We don't need to "take their oil".

[reddread]

23. Because China would have no use for it?

This isnt about oil.
Its about toilet paper.
and human rights.
and democracy.
right?

[hack89]

24. VZ oil is particularly difficult to refine

the US has the refineries to refine it, not China.

Secondly, oil is fungible - there is only so much refining capacity in the world. If China refines VZ oil than that means there is crude from some other source that can be refined in America.

No - it is about chronic mismanagement of the VZ economy that has produced massive inflation and shortages. What makes it worse is that VZ has seen steadily declining oil production for a decade as oil profits are spent instead of reinvesting in oil production infrastructure.

[reddread]

25. less is more, it appears they arent desperate and unprinicipled enough to serve the Koch Bros desire

http://www.alternet.org/environment/koch-brothers-chavez-problem

its not like burning more oil is going to do the planet some good.

[reddread]

27. can't say the same for the Venezuela bashers though n/t

[Bacchus4.0]

30. Venezuela still sells oil to the US, just less since much of oil goes to China

as repayment for loans. Yes, producing and burning more oil doesn't do the planet much good. Agreed.

[Bacchus4.0]

28. Venezuela already ships oil to China to repay the loans China made

the sales to the US have dropped because of the diversion of oil to pay for loans, and because they can't produce anymore. Ven actually imports gas FROM the US since they lack refinery capacity for their oil.

[reddread]

29. what do they do with oil they arent clever enough to refine?

transship?

[Bacchus4.0]

31. much of it is refined in the US yes. They lack sufficient refining capacity. It is what it is.

Your point?

[reddread]

35. my point?

seven posts up.

[unreadierLizard]

34. Not everything is a RW conspiracy.

The people of Venezuela are realizing that Maudro's "continuation" of Chavez's policies are leading them to economic and personal ruin.

This does not make them RW conspiracy theorists or anyone disagreeing with Maudro right wing conspiracy members. The paranoia about these protests is laughable - by the sounds of it, student groups and fascist groups are uniting against the Maudro government. They are NOT one and the same.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

36. This guy sounds more like Robert Mugabe every time he opens his mouth

[hack89]

42. Watching VZ collapse is sad

I hope things don't get out of hand - there is enough violence there already.