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Playinghardball

(11,665 posts)
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 04:16 PM Feb 2014

Belgium Becomes First Country To Allow Euthanasia For Dying Children

Source: NBC NEWS

Belgium became the first country in the world to allow terminally ill children of any age the right to die by euthanasia after passing a historic law Thursday.

As expected, the law passed the Belgian lower parliamentary house by 86 votes to 44 with 12 abstentions, according to a Reuters report.

The law allows doctors to kill a child if they and their parents consent, and there is thought to be no treatment for their intense suffering. They must also be assessed by a psychologist and be "capable of discernment."

One man in the public gallery shouted "murderers" in French when the vote was passed after what had been a heated debate between lawmakers the previous day, according to Reuters.


Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/europe/belgium-becomes-first-country-allow-euthanasia-dying-children-n29441

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Belgium Becomes First Country To Allow Euthanasia For Dying Children (Original Post) Playinghardball Feb 2014 OP
Fundie heads are exploding. nt valerief Feb 2014 #1
Actually, this makes me nervous. Beacool Feb 2014 #2
Me too. KamaAina Feb 2014 #3
Yes, I'm not sure about this law. Beacool Feb 2014 #4
A legal advocate... TeeYiYi Feb 2014 #13
Sounds reasonable. Beacool Feb 2014 #18
same here--I'd hope there'd be an onerous deliberative process for anything disability related zazen Feb 2014 #7
Check the original article. Feral Child Feb 2014 #8
Yeah, but would a small child understand? Beacool Feb 2014 #10
Valid point Feral Child Feb 2014 #14
I don't know......... Beacool Feb 2014 #17
It should *feel* wrong. Feral Child Feb 2014 #21
Yes, it should feel wrong Stargazer09 Feb 2014 #22
Makes me a little skittish as well, hughee99 Feb 2014 #15
I am very afraid of this law. jwirr Feb 2014 #5
Some folks will label this melm00se Feb 2014 #6
I call it "humane" and "civilized". Feral Child Feb 2014 #9
+1000 Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #16
One could call denying people in this country health care area51 Feb 2014 #20
i'm not informed about this at all but it makes me uncomfortable JI7 Feb 2014 #11
To be honest it never crossed my mind that children would even need to be concidered for this ... marble falls Feb 2014 #12
what an awful decision to have to make dembotoz Feb 2014 #19
This must be one of the addest laws ever enacted. rug Feb 2014 #23

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
2. Actually, this makes me nervous.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 04:48 PM
Feb 2014

I respect an adult's decision to terminate his/her own life, but does the child have a say in this death verdict?



 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
3. Me too.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 04:53 PM
Feb 2014

Especially the potential for kids with significant disabilities to be labeled "terminally ill".

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
4. Yes, I'm not sure about this law.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 04:56 PM
Feb 2014

I'm leery of it, but I don't know the details of it. Will parents be allowed to terminate the life of a child whose health issues are "too much trouble"?


TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
13. A legal advocate...
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:51 PM
Feb 2014

...for the child, should be provided. The child should have a say in this through his or her legal advocate.

Dunno about babies.

The above is just my opinion. I'm not a lawyer.

TYY

zazen

(2,978 posts)
7. same here--I'd hope there'd be an onerous deliberative process for anything disability related
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:11 PM
Feb 2014

simply as a disincentive for anyone to abuse it.

Then again, I pray to God I'm never in that situation (with grandchildren at this point I assume) and can only assume that the people behind this have long term, highly ethical and reflective, painful experience that's informing the law.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
8. Check the original article.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:37 PM
Feb 2014

Child has to participate in the decision and must be interviewed by a psychiatrist to determine that he/she understands the situation and has the ability to make a reasoned decision.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
14. Valid point
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:55 PM
Feb 2014

I assume that if the psychiatrist can't determine that the child is capable of a rational decision in the matter, they would not proceed.

I still think it's a very reasonable and humane law.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
17. I don't know.........
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 07:46 PM
Feb 2014

My heart says that it's wrong to end a child's life, but in some cases it may be the most humane thing to do. It's not an easy decision.



Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
21. It should *feel* wrong.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 11:13 AM
Feb 2014

It's horrible to even contemplate, but if I knew my child was suffering and would continue to suffer until death (with no hope for ever recovering) I'd most assuredly choose to peacefully end the struggle.

I said before, "I do it for my animals, I'd do it for myself, and I'd certainly do it for my child."

Of course I'd mourn, but would be proud of having the strength to make the decision.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
22. Yes, it should feel wrong
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 12:04 PM
Feb 2014

But it sounds like this law is humane and sensible, with safeguards in place to prevent abuse.

My mom was in constant, excruciating pain towards the end of her struggle with cancer. I can't imagine forcing a child (or even an adult) to deal with that when there's no hope of a recovery.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
15. Makes me a little skittish as well,
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 07:05 PM
Feb 2014

by the time the psychologist interviews the child, I'm sure the parents will have convinced the child it's the right thing to do.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
9. I call it "humane" and "civilized".
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:39 PM
Feb 2014

I make that decision for my cats often. Love them to much to let them suffer.

I'll make it for myself someday, most likely.

It must be hellish to watch your child suffer like that.

area51

(11,910 posts)
20. One could call denying people in this country health care
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 05:41 AM
Feb 2014

a post birth abortion. The US isn't a civilized country and doesn't have a leg to stand on morally regarding health care judgments.

JI7

(89,251 posts)
11. i'm not informed about this at all but it makes me uncomfortable
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:44 PM
Feb 2014

at least with older people they have had the chance to reach that stage in life where you understand these things .

young minds may not fully understand so even if they give consent it could be based on a naive mind of a child. not something they might do as they get older .

are there any age limits ? for example does it exclude kids under a certain age ? i can maybe teenagers being able to do this.

but a child that 7 years old ?

marble falls

(57,102 posts)
12. To be honest it never crossed my mind that children would even need to be concidered for this ...
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:48 PM
Feb 2014

sort of relief. I first thought of it for my grandparents, then parents, now me. And soon my children, maybe? But kids. I've lived a fortunate life. I am so blessed that my children are healthy and my grandchildren, too.

Being a medical ethicist and having to work through this treatment has to be very tough.

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