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alp227

(32,054 posts)
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:13 AM Apr 2014

Berkeley protesters fume over Supreme Court decision on campaign financing

Source: Oakland Tribune

BERKELEY -- Roughly 40 people gathered at UC Berkeley's Sproul Hall Plaza late Wednesday afternoon to vent their frustration with the Supreme Court's decision to strike down limits on federal campaign contributions.

"It's so outrageous what they did," fumed longtime Berkeley resident Marty Schiffenbauer. "It's so blatant that the country has become a plutocracy where rich people will be able to pass rules and tax breaks."

Susan Messina was nearby: "We're losing our rights as individual voters," she said. "We're losing our voice. We're losing our power."

The 5-4 ruling on McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission struck down limits on the two-year ceilings on donations to candidates, parties and some political action committees combined. The ruling follows the 2010 Citizens United decision that struck down independent campaign spending limits by corporations and unions.

Read more: http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_25482096/berkeley-protesters-fume-over-supreme-court-decision-campaign

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Berkeley protesters fume over Supreme Court decision on campaign financing (Original Post) alp227 Apr 2014 OP
Don't protest. VOTE! Vote in people that will reshape the SCOTUS and undo the damage Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #1
Many "Democrats" are Blue Dogs, GOP-lite. They call themselves "New DEMS/Third Way DEMS," but they blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #2
And alot occupy DU and alert posts that "offend them" even if the post is right Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #6
People who protest are actually smart enough to protest, and vote as well. Zorra Apr 2014 #11
Protesting does nothing and don't call me a Right winger. Them's fightin' words Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #12
And I've seen a lot more get accomplished through the ballot box because of protesting. Zorra Apr 2014 #13
+100 theHandpuppet Apr 2014 #20
... countryjake Apr 2014 #14
Didn't work, i live in China. The things Tank Man protested are still here and have been expanded Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #15
If you don't believe that protests open minds & make others think... countryjake Apr 2014 #16
40 people protesting does nothing. Thanks for giving a PhD candidate in history Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #17
Oh, so now you say it's "small" protests that accomplish nothing? countryjake Apr 2014 #18
You're right, in that 40 people in Berkeley does nothing SwankyXomb Apr 2014 #19
Occupy worked in the sense that marions ghost Apr 2014 #21
Do you think the protests in Venezuela are working? nt Zorra Apr 2014 #22
Our votes trump their dollars C_U_L8R Apr 2014 #3
That was THEN. This is NOW. The rules have changed, you know?!! blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #4
And the solution is .... C_U_L8R Apr 2014 #5
If you're not angry about the decision you're either a billionaire or an idiot rpannier Apr 2014 #7
Tom Perkins: People With More Money Should Get More Votes TomCADem Apr 2014 #8
I have a counter suggestion for perkins rpannier Apr 2014 #9
Perkins isn't saying anything that any teabagger wouldn't say. Not new at all. Been arguing with freshwest Apr 2014 #10
 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
1. Don't protest. VOTE! Vote in people that will reshape the SCOTUS and undo the damage
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:19 AM
Apr 2014

Vote out the Republicans that support this shit (oops, bad word. Someone will get offended).

Bring people to their place of polling and vote, dammit (oops, another bad word. Someone will get offended).

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
2. Many "Democrats" are Blue Dogs, GOP-lite. They call themselves "New DEMS/Third Way DEMS," but they
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:26 AM
Apr 2014

always want "compromise," they want to be "pragmatic," and they NEVER want to be seen as "political."

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
6. And alot occupy DU and alert posts that "offend them" even if the post is right
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:33 AM
Apr 2014

The Democratic Party really does need to purge itself of fake Democrats. The Republicans that leave that party are pushing us too far to the right.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
11. People who protest are actually smart enough to protest, and vote as well.
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 03:18 AM
Apr 2014

Don't protest? Is this the new RW meme?

Protesting makes more people aware of an issue, helping increase voter left wing turnout, and vote out the RW.

WTF?

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
12. Protesting does nothing and don't call me a Right winger. Them's fightin' words
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 03:36 AM
Apr 2014

I've seen more accomplished at the ballot box than at the protest rally.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
13. And I've seen a lot more get accomplished through the ballot box because of protesting.
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 03:54 AM
Apr 2014
You deplore the demonstrations taking place in Birmingham. But your statement, I am sorry to say, fails to express a similar concern for the conditions that brought about the demonstrations. I am sure that none of you would want to rest content with the superficial kind of social analysis that deals merely with effects and does not grapple with underlying causes. It is unfortunate that demonstrations are taking place in Birmingham, but it is even more unfortunate that the city's white power structure left the Negro community with no alternative.
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You may well ask: "Why direct action? Why sit ins, marches and so forth? Isn't negotiation a better path?" You are quite right in calling for negotiation. Indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word "tension." I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, so must we see the need for nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood. The purpose of our direct action program is to create a situation so crisis packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation. I therefore concur with you in your call for negotiation. Too long has our beloved Southland been bogged down in a tragic effort to live in monologue rather than dialogue.

http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
14. ...
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 03:59 AM
Apr 2014

"Tank man" blocks a column of Type 59 tanks heading east on Beijing's Chang'an Boulevard (Avenue of Eternal Peace) near Tiananmen Square during the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989. Taken on June 5, 1989, by Jeff Widener.
 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
15. Didn't work, i live in China. The things Tank Man protested are still here and have been expanded
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 04:05 AM
Apr 2014

In the US, protests don't work. Occupy didn't work.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
16. If you don't believe that protests open minds & make others think...
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 04:24 AM
Apr 2014

and, that they have done just that throughout the history of our nation and across the rest of the world, then there's not much I can say that might convince you.

Study a bit about the struggles that have taken place here, during the past century; learn the story of Unionization, take a look at the fight for Women's Lib, Civil Rights.

Learn about the history of our country. That just may change your mind.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
17. 40 people protesting does nothing. Thanks for giving a PhD candidate in history
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 05:03 AM
Apr 2014

a condescending lesson in history.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
19. You're right, in that 40 people in Berkeley does nothing
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 09:16 AM
Apr 2014

What we need then, is 400,000 people in Washington calling for these 5 traitors to America to be brought out for a proper hanging.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
21. Occupy worked in the sense that
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:31 PM
Apr 2014

--for the first time the finger of guilt was pointed straight at Wall Street. That in itself was a major achievement.

The spirit lives.

When you reach people through the heart it enhances performance at the ballot box.

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)
3. Our votes trump their dollars
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:27 AM
Apr 2014

Just ask Mitt Romney.

Let's make the Republicans lose more money. VOTE !!!!

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
8. Tom Perkins: People With More Money Should Get More Votes
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 02:07 AM
Apr 2014

I guess they are on the same page with Tom Perkins.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/14/tom-perkins-votes_n_4788086.html

Tom Perkins is desperately trying to extend his 15 minutes of infamy.

The 82-year-old venture capitalist, who recently made a lot of people angry by comparing progressives to Nazis, told an audience in San Francisco Thursday that people who pay more money in taxes should get more votes.

"The Tom Perkins system is: You don't get to vote unless you pay a dollar of taxes," Perkins said during an event hosted by Fortune's Adam Lashinsky. "But what I really think is, it should be like a corporation. You pay a million dollars in taxes, you get a million votes. How's that?"

The audience responded to his claim as any sane humans would: with laughter. After all, that’s not really how democracy works. And not that Perkins would care, but his proposal wouldn't really be fair given that poor Americans already fork over a larger share of income to Uncle Sam than their richer counterparts, according to a 2013 report from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy.

rpannier

(24,338 posts)
9. I have a counter suggestion for perkins
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 02:35 AM
Apr 2014

percentage of your income you pay
most middle class people pay a higher percentage
probably mean he'd actually be at the bottom of the vote getting

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
10. Perkins isn't saying anything that any teabagger wouldn't say. Not new at all. Been arguing with
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 03:05 AM
Apr 2014

these boot licking characters since the coup of 2000. They say the only people that should have say so are property owners who pay taxes. And they are against women voting, too.

They have enacted regulations in some benighted locales that only allow property owners to vote on the basis that they are the only ones who pay property taxes, and claim renters don't. Which is not true, as a landlord passes the cost of taxes on.

That was a dozen years ago. Now they demand not only that they should never any pay taxes for anything, but that other groups still shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway.

They start off being Tenthers, say nothing beyond the 10A should apply, but really, they want the Articles of Conferation. And we know what that means. The Koch brothers are going all out this year to change all city and local offices to do their will.

Pau;l Ryan wants to get enough red legislatures to rewrite the Constitution. They can do it, too. It will be custom written for the Koch brothers. We're seeing it state by state already.

Solution, get out and vote every GOP out of office possible. Or get ready to live under something that we have never before seen in our lives. End of SS, ACA, public ed, equal protection under the law and due process.

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