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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 08:39 AM Apr 2014

Obama, Biden to announce $600M for job grants

Source: ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON (AP) — Striving to show action on jobs, President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden are hitting the road to trumpet $600 million in new competitive grants to spur creation of targeted training and apprenticeship programs that could help people land well-paying jobs.

They were making the announcement Wednesday at the Community College of Allegheny County West Hills Center in the western Pennsylvania borough of Oakdale.

Administration officials say they hear from too many businesses that they cannot find skilled workers for jobs they need to fill. On top of that, officials say many people who are looking for work may be open to learning new skills but need assurance that a job will be waiting for them at the end of a training program.

Obama and others in the administration often say community colleges are among the best sources for job training and say learn-on-the-job apprenticeship programs provide some of the most direct paths to well-paying jobs.

Read more: http://www.salon.com/2014/04/16/obama_biden_to_announce_600m_for_job_grants/

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Obama, Biden to announce $600M for job grants (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2014 OP
Just heard about this on SiriusXM BumRushDaShow Apr 2014 #1
SiriusXM has a POTUS channel? How is this accessed, if one doesn't have satellite radio? freshwest Apr 2014 #7
You can get a online only subscription to Sirius. Revanchist Apr 2014 #8
MSNBC is streaming it right now (link) BumRushDaShow Apr 2014 #9
Thanks, both of you for your information. Sadly, I don't see any Republicans as moderate anymore. freshwest Apr 2014 #17
It's only been in the past year or so BumRushDaShow Apr 2014 #21
Good, America needs more of this. nt IronLionZion Apr 2014 #2
Now about diverting a chunk of the multiple war budgets pipoman Apr 2014 #3
More corporate welfare seabeckind Apr 2014 #4
Agreed. nt magical thyme Apr 2014 #6
"read up on the New Deal." BumRushDaShow Apr 2014 #10
That one "taxpayer" word really got you worked up, I see. seabeckind Apr 2014 #12
I work in a building built by the WPA BumRushDaShow Apr 2014 #14
I won't go along with the bashing of those confronted with a stinky reality. freshwest Apr 2014 #11
Seems to me like they already won. seabeckind Apr 2014 #13
There is nothing in the Salon article linked in the OP about unpaid interns, data entry or filing freshwest Apr 2014 #18
There are multiple factors at play in the jobs situation seabeckind Apr 2014 #22
hey, health insurance companies will rake it in Skittles Apr 2014 #20
On the job training has been dead and buried for some time Warpy Apr 2014 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #5
I don't understand this. cabrona Apr 2014 #15
Could you provide some links for that assertion? Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #16
The quote is from the OP and at the Salon link: freshwest Apr 2014 #19
Did you really parse this sentence? seabeckind Apr 2014 #23
Is it? cabrona Apr 2014 #24
It was how I and many others found excellent employment in the past, in the Carter years. It is what freshwest Apr 2014 #25
Good for you. cabrona Apr 2014 #28
Yes, but you forgot the operative and unspoken part of the sentence Warpy Apr 2014 #27

BumRushDaShow

(128,389 posts)
1. Just heard about this on SiriusXM
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 08:56 AM
Apr 2014

via a commercial for the POTUS channel (which is supposed to cover the event live).

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
7. SiriusXM has a POTUS channel? How is this accessed, if one doesn't have satellite radio?
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 03:43 PM
Apr 2014
I'm thinking there may be no way to get the content otherwise. Meanwhile, I'll check my free White House podcasts.

Wondering if this venue can compete with AM talk. and how many people it is reaching. Because MSM will NOT cover ANY good news from Obama, etc.


Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
8. You can get a online only subscription to Sirius.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 04:02 PM
Apr 2014

There is also a trial subscription period to check it out before paying money for it. The channel name stands for Politics of the United States, not President and is, in my opinion, one of the few political that tries to present the information without a bias from either side of the spectrum. They also air the daily press briefings from the WH so you can get the news from the horse's mouth without any interpretation of what is being said so that's refreshing. One word of warning though, the weekend shows are lacking.

Also, by getting it online you have access to stations that they don't have on the satellite radio due to space considerations, including an extra progressive channel.

BumRushDaShow

(128,389 posts)
9. MSNBC is streaming it right now (link)
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 04:24 PM
Apr 2014
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/watch-live-obama-biden-deliver-remarks-pa-college-n82231

Meanwhile Alex Wagner and ilk Halperin MUST have their faces on the teevee. Can't not see them ya know.

I had to get SiriusXM just to get some access to progressive stations (there are 2 channels with progressive talk) plus POTUS is what they call "Politics of the U.S." and they have slowly been populating it with moderate Republicans & independents (e.g., Smerconish now has a show on there). That channel usually tries to cover all of the President's events live...

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
17. Thanks, both of you for your information. Sadly, I don't see any Republicans as moderate anymore.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 09:38 PM
Apr 2014

They appear divided into fully virulent Koch brothers rabid or just Koch brothers rabies carriers.

The so-called moderates still push the same agenda, with less bigotry and insanity.

And here's the link to what is wrong in the USA, and yes, i'm going to wear it out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298

I just can't be nice to them.

BumRushDaShow

(128,389 posts)
21. It's only been in the past year or so
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 05:20 AM
Apr 2014

that POTUS actually added "talk" format programming with callers, so that is new. In addition to daily Smerconish, they added both Jon Huntsman and wait for it... Schmuck Toad for 1 or 2 days a week.

However, generally it has a format similar to NPR, with a news summary program (with host Tim Farley) that would repeat multiple times during the day in between the live broadcasts. Too many times when neither cable news nor the CSPANs (including CSPAN Radio) opted to break away to show the President, POTUS Channel broadcast the audio of his speeches live.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
3. Now about diverting a chunk of the multiple war budgets
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 09:03 AM
Apr 2014

To infrastructure building/rebuilding maybe we would at least not look like a 3rd world country. ..

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
4. More corporate welfare
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 09:22 AM
Apr 2014

Happening all over. What it really is is the shifting of specific job related training from the company needing that specialized talent

to the taxpayer.

Education should be for the principles and operations in a generalized situation. Eg, workflow management, plant management, HR, etc. Then the company should provide mentors, intern classes, etc, to apply those generalized principles to their specific operation.

That's the way it worked long ago. And, it worked very well because what the company got was an employee who might be able to improve the operations. Make the plant work better. Come up with a better way to do parts consolidation. But like so many other things in the backwardsassed 21st century corptocracy, the last thing that MBA wants is someone who might compete for his position internally in a few years.

Or one that might want a little more pay.

This is all bullsh!t. More extortion by companies by dangling jobs.

Let them do their own training...instead of listening to the f'in CEOs, read up on the New Deal.

(on edit) C'mon Biden, you know better. I'll give POTUS a pass cause he might not know better, being a ivy league guy aand all, but you??? C'mon, Joe.

BumRushDaShow

(128,389 posts)
10. "read up on the New Deal."
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 04:35 PM
Apr 2014

Perhaps you should "read up on the New Deal" and then you'll discover that it had to be funded by guess who?

Come on... Can you guess who had to authorize the appropriations for such?

Still stumped?

Of course Biden, the man who was considered the "poorest" of Senators when he was in the Senate, can easily write out that check for the NEW New Deal all by his damn self because DU believes that they can and appropriations be damned!!11!11!!!!!

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
12. That one "taxpayer" word really got you worked up, I see.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 06:00 PM
Apr 2014

I know exactly who funded FDR's New Deal...a whole new set of taxpayers who hadn't been paying taxes. The 1%.

There was also a law enacted, short lived unfortunately, which only allowed corporate deductions for reinvestment in the US.

That's where the money came from...not those without jobs.

The idea of the New Deal that you seem to miss is that the entire thing was an investment in the infrastructure of the USA. Electrification, dams, roads, even buildings (Timberline Lodge is impressive). The gov't commissions decided where best to spend money to make jobs. It may have asked for advice from corporations, but didn't hand over millions to let them improve their bottom line.

This giveaway is just trickledown by another name.

Now let's look at what this "investment" is. It is an investment in the status quo. An example might be to teach workers how to build and maintain ICE. Great for today but what about the future? Instead of teaching what is, our education should be to sow the seeds for innovation. Not a better GPS display for a Toyota.

The New Deal was an investment in the future. That is until the reagan crew came to town and started selling it off. Now we have our own dem congresscritters selling awesome buildings for a song that are then turned into condos for rich people.

Quit looking at Biden for what he has. Look at his roots. That's why I said he should know better.

As a little quip, maybe they can stop by the Heinz hq and talk about training the replacement workers for those being let go.

BumRushDaShow

(128,389 posts)
14. I work in a building built by the WPA
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 06:24 PM
Apr 2014

that was recently renovated under ARRA.

But again, what you are missing is that CONGRESS must enact the authorization to expend funds for projects such as what was in the New Deal like the Hoover Dam or the Tennessee Valley Authority.

The "investments" mentioned for this came out of odds and ends government funding already appropriated that had to be cobbled together because CONGRESS refuses to go big. In fact, they refuse to do anything at all. And Cheeto Boner damn sure won't bring any infrastructure investment bill to the floor. That ass won't even bring any of the Senate jobs bills, unemployment restoration bills, or wage bills to the House floor.

When you can't do something one way, you find another way until you have a stronger hand, and after all this time of the obstruction, this hasn't been figured out yet? Why does DU ignore the legislative branch?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
11. I won't go along with the bashing of those confronted with a stinky reality.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 04:45 PM
Apr 2014

Meeting with representatives this past weekend, the social contract was discussed. Also education, infrastructure, social services and jobs.

The problem was and still is income inequality, as my district rep explained, but really preaching to the choir (no need to inform those of us already involved, but it was necessary to iron out our talking points) with us.

My rep has not been able to get past the brainwashed public who think that all government should be kept out of the way completely, defunded, etc., and that all who would benefit as I did in younger years, from OTJ training, cheaper education and a living wage, are just takers as the GOP says.

The problem was gone over as we see our world getting handed over to private interests who despise the government and all those who support programs as moochers. This is a blue state, I might add, but the legislative margin is very low and in the years when the GOP does get majority, very bad things happen.

My rep said the former contract between business, government and labor is now broken, and for no good reason. Government gave help to business to create good paying jobs to sustain workers and their families who then in turn pay their taxes for what they need, such as infrastructure of all kinds.

With the wages not being high enough to pay enough taxes to keep government working, there simply is NO money for government to do things as they once did.

I know my rep fought for all kinds of things to get equity in taxation, and to give the poor and those needing helping hand to improve their lot in the workforce, but all the measures were voted down by the public.

Things like a limited state income tax on millionaires, a repeal of a GOP pushed through end to estate tax, a repeal of tax breaks for businesses that did not reinvest in job training or pay enough wages to live on, and on and on.

All failed due to the public who felt it was 'tyranny' or 'class warfare' for the group they hoped to become, the upper percentages. Or all part of a government plot to take their 'liberty.'

Even some of those I know in federal and other union jobs are not voting for long-term interest or to help those who need help the most. They are voting GOP, Libertarian and Tea Party to keep what they have gained as most are near retirement and in safer plans than others, then as it goes away they figure it doesn't matter.

Before you paint Obama and Biden and these initiatives with disdain, consider the environment they work in and that the voters have created. My rep is getting tired of dealing of with people who don't feel any responsibility for their fellows citizens or the future. The Koch brothers agenda that is national is in every state and majorities are razor thin to resist them.

From Bernie Sanders, the Koch Libertarian platform, also touted by Alex Jones, Glenn Beck and FNN:

“We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”
“We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”
“We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”
“We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”
“We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”
“We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”
“We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”
“We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”
“As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”
“We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”
“We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”
“We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”
“We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”
“We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.”
“We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”
“We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”
“We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”
“We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”
“We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”
“We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”
“We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”
“We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”
“We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”
“We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”
“We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”
“We support the repeal of all state usury laws.

In other words, the agenda of the Koch brothers is not only to defund Obamacare. The agenda of the Koch brothers is to repeal every major piece of legislation that has been signed into law over the past 80 years that has protected the middle class, the elderly, the children, the sick, and the most vulnerable in this country.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a7980koch

to kpete:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298

These are the exact memes we are dealing with in trying to talk to people about maintainng the things you appear to want, as I do.

As disgusting and infuriating as all of this is, and I agree on your points but not the cynicism that leads to this happening in the first place, this is the reality Democrats are confronted with daily. I've seen some really dirty tricks played in my blue state, as nothing is beneath those who support these plans, and they are IMPOSSIBLE to deal with.

My rep warned us that there appears to be no relief in sight, there will continue to be less funding for human needs from one end to the other, and more competition for scarce resources as the plutocrats continue to get voters to elect those with their agenda.

So, the efforts of Democrats who support NONE of the Koch platform, but are outvoted by their fans, is THE major factor in what we are seeing. I see it up close where I live.

We have many who have our vision, and we run candidates with it, but are outspent, and those who are interested in the bones tossed them by the agenda of the Koches, and there are those really do benefit from dissolving the programs and rights WE believe in, or at least I think YOU do, are going to continue to force these programs to be used to address the inequity.

When you say it is more on the taxpayer, you are in the long-term supporting a weaker government that cannot spend to help its citizens to better lives. If the private sector refused to help people get jobs, why is it wrong to spend federal dollars on jobs or training? Isn't that what FDR did?

All of these solutions are going to be dissed from the Right, so why do it from the Left, assuming again of your intent to support this help given, but I will not claim to know your heart.

Know that as we discussed with our reps and advocates this weekend, and then again this week, we must come out in overwhelming numbers at community meetings despite the verbal abuse we already know that we will receive, and at the polls, and everywhere we can make our voices heard, to say that what we want to have continue has been beneficial for all.

Otherwise, the Koches win.

Peace Out.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
13. Seems to me like they already won.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 06:06 PM
Apr 2014

Now we're just helping that idea of an unpaid intern by assuming the cost of his training. What happened? Did the corporations run out of people who could work for free while they're learning how to do data entry and filing in the corporate office?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
18. There is nothing in the Salon article linked in the OP about unpaid interns, data entry or filing
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 09:57 PM
Apr 2014

clerk positions. It is for jobs that will start paying at $50K a year. This is getting people on the job training and it says nothing about not being paid. It says nothing about job seekers having to pay to learn these skills. It's very much like my first big job, with grants to companies to give them the initiative, but with the caveat that the job offer will be made - but in my case and likely in this case - once they start training they are 'gainfully employed' and no longer looking for a job, they are employees.

Where is the win for anyone but the worker? Where does it help corporations do bad things in the OP?

As far as winning and losing, that takes place at the polls. We have elections every few months here on one issue or another, from funding schools in a very micromanaged way, public services and infrastructure, transportation, etc.

I'm really not understanding what you're talking about, as data entry and filing jobs are now engineered by IT technicians. Most places of business I visit no longer have filing clerks, they keep almost no paperwork that needs to be filed.

There are no crews of data input, all info is put into the data base by the actual person in charge of the transaction, whether it is a doctor, salesman, et al.

What you're talking about is mostly in the past and has nothing to do with the OP.



seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
22. There are multiple factors at play in the jobs situation
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:14 AM
Apr 2014

I think what's happening is that you are not looking at the totality of the problem, that you are looking for the silver lining and ignoring the rest of the cloud.

My reference to unpaid internships is an example of the tactics employed by the unscrupulous to reduce their labor cost. It was not meant to be a factor in this article. Eg:

"But in practice, there is little to stop employers from exploiting interns. The Labor Department rarely cracks down on offenders, saying that it has limited resources and that unpaid interns are loath to file complaints for fear of jeopardizing any future job search."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/06/business/unpaid-internships-dont-always-deliver.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

The point m by cabrona is more related to the assertion by businesses in their justification for H1B visas. There are many of us who feel that justification is a total crock because anecdotally anyone having any connection to the IT industry know there are many, many out-of-work technical people. Many of us know students who graduate from top schools but can't find a job. It's a buyer's market when it comes to labor. Eg:

"The tech industry, through lobbying organizations such as Compete America, argues that there is a skills shortage in the U.S., which justifies the need for H-1B visas. The claim of a skills shortage is in dispute, however.

Paul Krugman, a New York Times columnist and Nobel Prize-winning economist, argued in a column Monday that the idea of a skills gap is something "that should have been killed by the evidence, but refuses to die."

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247241/Offshore_firms_took_50_of_H_1B_visas_in_2013

And now back to this particular case. It is a feel-good attempt to make us think something i being done to solve the job problem in this country. It will do nothing other shove money at trade school training with no guarantee of a real job afterwards. Any "manufacturer" in the area (of which there might be few) who hires these workers will get a freeby. Instead of a couple weeks or months in ojt, they're productive right away.

The entire salon article is full of maybes and couldbes. Saying an intern might make $50k a year is great but hen saying the USA doesn't use them much is kind of a buzzkill, isn't it?

Long ago I thought making the head of a corporation which was a leader in outsourcing our jobs czar (Immelt) was a very bad idea. Haven't seen any reason to change my mind yet.

So whatcha think of the Heinz business?

Warpy

(111,124 posts)
26. On the job training has been dead and buried for some time
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 04:28 PM
Apr 2014

and most apprenticeships died with the unions. We're stuck with post high school education that costs money, but at least this is being targeted where it is most useful, at building skills the next wave of infrastructure improvement will rely on.

Whether or not it works remains to be seen. It all depends on whether the GOP comes up with another slick pitchman to put into the presidency and whether enough people can be persuaded to vote the clowns out of the Clown Congress.

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

 

cabrona

(47 posts)
15. I don't understand this.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 07:04 PM
Apr 2014

"Administration officials say they hear from too many businesses that they cannot find skilled workers for jobs they need to fill."

What businesses are these? Not high-tech. Not finance, insurance or real estate. Not construction. Every kind of business I can think of has way more qualified applicants than positions.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
19. The quote is from the OP and at the Salon link:
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 03:02 AM
Apr 2014
"Administration officials say they hear from too many businesses that they cannot find skilled workers for jobs they need to fill."

The rest is the poster's opinion. The jobs at the link may pay $50K:

Apprenticeships are used less widely in the U.S. than in some other countries, said administration officials, who also noted that nearly 9 out of 10 apprentices end up in jobs that pay average starting salaries of above $50,000 a year.

The apprenticeship grant program will begin in the fall and focus, in part, on broad partnerships that create programs in high-growth fields, such as information technology, health care and advanced manufacturing, as well as programs that provide college credit or industry-wide skills certification.


It's a return to the classic strategy of government working with business and education to create high paying positions.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
23. Did you really parse this sentence?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:21 AM
Apr 2014

"Apprenticeships are used less widely in the U.S. than in some other countries, said administration officials, who also noted that nearly 9 out of 10 apprentices end up in jobs that pay average starting salaries of above $50,000 a year."

Just because 9 out of 10 end up in $50k jobs doesn't mean that any apprenticeships (internships) will result from this program nor does it mean that they will pay $50.

It's smoke and mirrors...waste of money. Be better spent to increase internet capabilites by hiring apprentices directly and having them do real work under the guidance of experienced volunteers in depressed areas and elderly communities.

You know, like the CCC.

Not sittng in a class learning a skill that some corporation says they need but will actually contract it out offshore.
 

cabrona

(47 posts)
24. Is it?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:59 AM
Apr 2014

"It's a return to the classic strategy of government working with business and education to create high paying positions."

Just looks like a subsidy for business to me.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
25. It was how I and many others found excellent employment in the past, in the Carter years. It is what
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 02:21 PM
Apr 2014
is being lost in many places and affecting communities.

I live in metropolitan area, not a small town as some with only one employer. We pay our taxes to educate our youth to get the jobs. We have low unemployment here and high wages. And a high cost of living.

The model described is the same one my Democratic representatives are working on with job development and what I grew up with. I'm recently retired, and we are trying to make this same dynamic work for others. I might add, I am not paid for my work on this, it's about the direction I want to see our community go.

We also don't stint on those who are unable to work for whatever reason, usually injury or illness, that keeps some out of the hiring pool as they can't perform as a younger worker. They are at times forgotten in all of this and we are working to both keep people employed, at decent wages, but working to see that government does its part for them. We are facing a lot of people who are retiring like most and not independently wealthy.

We are having problems with business doing their part. Most get help from those who are educated here on the public dime, and state government is making it easy for them to operate, but don't want to live up to their obligations to pay it forward.

This item in the OP is small, but there is no rescue in the face of the political realities that I have posted elsewhere on this thread, as the GOP is starving the government of funding. The voters are being scared off from voting by media, disgusted by Donald Segretti methods and inspired by religious groups and right wingers. Neither of those groups care about employment issues, but those who are employed are voting for them, and in effect they vote for the visas and other things, because their voters are not effected. Their voters have theirs now and don't care about this. It's lousy.

Warpy

(111,124 posts)
27. Yes, but you forgot the operative and unspoken part of the sentence
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 04:30 PM
Apr 2014

"Administration officials say they hear from too many businesses that they cannot find skilled workers for jobs they need to fill...who are willing to work for wages barely above that of fast food line workers."

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