Ukrainian oligarch offers bounty for capture of Russian 'saboteurs'

[dipsydoodle]

Source: Guardian

A pro-Kiev oligarch offered a $10,000 (£6,000) bounty on Thursday for the capture of any Russian "saboteur" and promised another half-million hryvnia (£27,000) to the national guardsmen who successfully repelled an attack by pro-Russian militia last night, killing three.

Igor Kolomoisky, an energy tycoon who was appointed governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region in eastern Ukraine last month, also offered rewards for handing in weapons belonging to insurgents: $1,000 for each machine gun turned in to the authorities, $1,500 for every heavy machine gun and $2,000 for a grenade launcher.

Several hundred protesters stormed a Ukrainian national guard base in the eastern port city of Mariupol on Wednesday night, but Ukrainian soldiers turned them back with gunfire, killing three. Ukraine's interior minister, Arsen Avakov, said the attackers had fired at the troops, but protesters said they had been armed only with clubs.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/17/ukrainian-oligarch-offers-financial-rewards-russians-igor-kolomoisky

[840high]

1. Oh goody.

[red dog 1]

2. "Several hundred protesters stormed a Ukrainian national guard base...

..but protesters said they had been armed only with clubs"??

Bullshit!

[joshcryer]

6. Anyone know if Maidan raided military bases?

Because I seem to recall them staying confined to the protest site...

[The Magistrate]

13. Depends On Definition, Sir

In Lvov, I believe an armory was stripped by hard-core nationalist types, and some weapons made off with.

[joshcryer]

15. Thanks, difficult to find this report.

As far as I can tell they didn't try to occupy the building, they just raided it and burned it down. I guess that works just as well.

[zonkers]

42. Hey, man, it was just a classic rumble, you know, clubs, chains, tire irons.

[jakeXT]

46. Also called a violent takeover in Ukraine

Indeed, in the rough and tumble Ukrainian business world, the term ‘violent takeover’ takes on a much more literal meaning. Controversial billionaires like Igor Kolomoisky and Gennady Bogolyubov of the Privat Group, known colloquially in the Ukrainian business world as ‘The Raiders’, have perfected their own brand hostile takeovers. A minimum stake in a company is acquired by one of the many companies Kolomoisky and Bogolyubov control and then a mix of phony court orders (often involving corrupt judges and/or registrars) and strong-arm tactics are deployed to replace the existing members of the board of directors with men loyal to Privat. In the takeover of the Kremenchuk steel factory in 2006, Privat’s raid was literal, with Kolomoisky and Bogolyubov hiring an army of thugs to descend upon the plant with baseball bats, gas and rubber pistols, iron bars and chainsaws. Needless to say, Kremenchuk’s steel production was soon under Privat’s control.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/195549-ukraines-real-problem-crony-capitalism

[red dog 1]

3. K&R...Thanks for posting

[Jesus Malverde]

4. This should turn out well.

It will be like Colombia...

[another_liberal]

5. Must one bring in a head to claim that bounty?

Or would an ear and photo of the body be enough?

[joshcryer]

7. Already paid up for one:

https://twitter.com/StateOfUkraine/status/456835667238989825

This will be interesting. Money wages all wars.

[Democracyinkind]

8. What a great idea! That will surely de-escalate the situation and will dissuade...

... people from doing stupid things. "Energy tycoon"... If the oligarchs want blood, they should man the front themselves - Russian or Ukrainian.

[Armadotrasgo]

9. Energy tycoon

That has decided to burn bridges with Moscow. Huh.

[cosmicone]

10. Probably a guy in bed with the Koch brothers n/t

[Catherina]

11. and $200,000 for those who free government buildings from protesters

Last edited Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:51 AM - Edit history (1)

RT reported on this this morning.

The Guardian left out the biggest reward

The highest reward, according to the pricelist, will go to those who free government buildings from protesters – US $200,000.

...

Besides publishing the bounties pricelist, Kolomoysky’s deputy, Borys Filatov, announced that a special battalion “Dnepr” had been created in the region and Dnepropetrovsk was fortified with check-points.

The Dnepr battalion is just one of several military units recently created by the new Ukrainian authorities.

In mid-March Ukraine’s National Guard was formed from the Maidan self-defense squads which helped bring down President Yanukovich. It was announced back then that the Guard will number 60,000 personnel.

...

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-bounty-payouts-protesters-156/

The press should stop trying to whitewash what's going on.

A pro-Kiev oligarch offered a $10,000 (£6,000) bounty on Thursday for the capture of any Russian "saboteur"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/17/ukrainian-oligarch-offers-financial-rewards-russians-igor-kolomoisky

The word on the poster is "moskali". It doesn't mean "saboteur". Moskali is a derogatory Ukrainian term for Russians, the equivalent of calling a Jew a Kike.

Here's one of the posters

Svoboda Party activist Oleksandr Aronets has published a photo of the Privatbank banner, which says: “$10,000 for a moskal (slang term for “Russian”). A profitable offer from Privatbank.” Kolomoisky owns Privatbank along with another billionaire businessman, Gennadiy Bogolyubov.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/kolomoisky-promises-a-reward-for-fighting-against-separatists-343970.html

Lovely. We're supporting a regime that offers bounties for capturing/killing its own citizens. That worked out so well in Afghanistan.

How much for capturing an oligarch?

[The Magistrate]

12. It Is, Ma'am, Nothing Like 'Calling a Jew a Kike' As You say

More like calling a fellow from Kentucky a hill-billy.

Words like 'Kike' or 'Yid' are murder words, and you know it. The term does not have the history of hate and mob murder of the slurs employed against Jews. You are deliberately exaggerating, in an attempt to carry by emotional heat what you cannot manage otherwise.

Rewards are offered for apprehension of criminals frequently, either for 'information leading to arrest and conviction' or for apprehension itself, though I will grant that "wanted dead or alive, $1000 reward is a bit antique here in the United States.

[newthinking]

16. No thank you. I suppose calling Italians WAPs was just friendly banter?

This is a terminology of hate and I got it straight from a Ukrainian Coworker. People used to say the same about the "N" word Sir.

[The Magistrate]

17. Always Grateful For a Laugh, Sir

The word you are looking for is derived from 'without passport'; the word you used is initials of 'white anglo-saxon protestant'. One is reminded of the old tale of the Irish Brigade private caught out in a bad spot on a Civil War battlefield, when rebs called 'Surrender, Yank!' he replied 'Sure, an' yer the first man iver called me that....'

"Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well, don't write naughty words on walls that you can't spell."

[newthinking]

19. Yes, it is late and I mistyped it. Glad you could laugh about something

used early last century as a putdown to Italian Immigrants. Seems some even on this board long for the "old" days when people would rib each other and claim "my best friends are %%"!

I am surprised how people are letting their emotions get ahead of them and justifying what, in many other contexts, and at other times, we fought against.

[The Magistrate]

21. Murder, Sir, Is A Different League Than Insult

I repeat my point: "Kike' and 'Yid' are murder words, with a long history of mob cry and institutionalized hate and repression behind them: the derogatory term employed for Russians here has no such heft, and everyone knows that, and that the comparison made in the post I replied is bogus, and doubtless known to be bogus by the person who made it.

[newthinking]

24. I guess racism is ok if it is lite words. Cant believe "the magistrate" is making light of this

People show their own bias and issues in surprising ways.

Right wing racists in the east US would say the same thing. What is the harm in a few little words?

Gee, do I even have to argue this on a liberal board. And I know you are not a right wing troll which makes it even more difficult to understand.

[The Magistrate]

25. If You Draw No Distinction Between Murder And Insult, Sir, You Only Make Yourself Appear Ridiculous

I understand you think you have your teeth into something of significance, but you are simply displaying an instinct for the capillary that will never serve you well in disputation.

[newthinking]

26. Five Terms You Might Not Know Are Considered Racist

Sounds like you need to read up friend:

http://racerelations.about.com/od/diversitymatters/a/Five-Terms-You-Might-Not-Know-Are-Considered-Racist.htm


Here is a database of racial slurs:

You can go through them and decide which ones you can use with impunity depending on if they were used under murdrous circumstances.
By the way likely the Moskalya term has been used during murders, definitey is used by right wing neo-nazi's when they beat Russians.

http://racerelations.about.com/od/diversitymatters/a/Five-Terms-You-Might-Not-Know-Are-Considered-Racist.htm

[The Magistrate]

28. You Are Just A Bundle Of Laughs, Sir: By All Means, Please Keep 'Em Coming

I do enjoy people trying to educate me....

[newthinking]

30. Glad to oblige. Great opportunity for people to realize the full story on Ukraine

This is one of the reasons that the East resists the current government. Many of their leaders have used such derogatory terminology and have shown their colors in public.

As I said, do you really want to be on a liberal board making excuses for people using ethnic slurs? Maybe time to sleep on it?

[The Magistrate]

32. You Sound Like White Kid Complaining He Got Called a Cracker, Sir

You are making a ridiculous display, and no one takes seriously your pretense that there are no degrees in these matters, and no weight of history behind some terms and not others. Put bluntly, I doubt even you really take the argument you are pressing seriously.

[newthinking]

33. Degrees of racism? OK.

Just keep digging your hole

[The Magistrate]

34. As Anyone Who Buys Panty-Hose Knows, Sir, One Size Does Not Really Fit All

"My god, man, slap yourself and think!"

[newthinking]

37. Yes I know. "dego" is more acceptable than Kyke". It is all a matter of degrees which ones you

laugh at and use in public discourse. (sarcasm)

Note it mentions ethnic origin.

"No bigoted hate speech.

Do not post bigotry based on someone's race or ethnic origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion or lack thereof, disability, or other comparable personal characteristic. To be clear: This includes any post which states opposition to full equal rights for gays and lesbians; it also includes any post asserting disloyalty by Jewish Americans, claiming nefarious influence by Jews/Zionists/Israel, advocating the destruction of the state of Israel, or arguing that Holocaust deniers are just misunderstood. In determining what constitutes bigotry, please be aware that we cannot know what is in anyone's heart, and we will give members the benefit of the doubt, when — and only when — such doubt exists. "

[The Magistrate]

38. Again, Sir: 'Don't Write Naughty Words On Walls That You Can't Spell"

[newthinking]

40. Glad you are well schooled in racial slurs. Too bad not so much in manners

and using them.

[newthinking]

41. You have good company on the use of Russian slurs

These guys really like it!

[Demeter]

45. The Magistrate has taken leave of his senses, IMO

based on his pathological responses to the Ukrainian coup and civil war and all.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

48. which is a great pity one must admit

The Magistrate used to be somebody whose name I considered automatically to equal great posts in the past, even on topics where I was in disagreement.

If i was to grade them like i did with posters in the past(Since I don't use ignore but have a mental check list) I'd say The Magistrate's posts has been downgraded in my mind from 'Trusted' to 'Check And Verify'.

[joshcryer]

18. That photo is fake, just fyi.

Kyiv Post wiggles around their own poorly done journalism when they say:

Moreover, Svoboda Party activist Oleksandr Aronets has published a photo of the Privatbank banner, which says: “$10,000 for a moskal (slang term for “Russian”). A profitable offer from Privatbank.” Kolomoisky owns Privatbank along with another billionaire businessman, Gennadiy Bogolyubov.

ie, "we didn't verify this, but some activist sent us a pic."

If you wonder why it has a cupcake it's a joke mocking the Nuland freakouts because she was "handing out cupcakes" at the protest site.

[newthinking]

22. Good catrch. But this one is real, children chanting "Hang the Moskalya!" in West Ukraine

[joshcryer]

27. There is no doubt that slang term is used.

The Magistrate didn't deny that.

[newthinking]

29. Slang

I have a feeling the magi is going to wake up in the morning feeling a little embarrassed. I know this is not typical of him (at least from what I have seen), which is more the surprise he keeps defending it.

The tensions are unfortunately causing some racist banter against Russians in the west recently and surprisingly on this board.

[joshcryer]

31. Anyone can read the comment posted on the video.

By someone who was there.

This video and its description is an example of propaganda. "Khto ne skachat toi moskal" (Those who not jumping are moskal) is our basketball team fans slogan. And got popularity after the people stayed on -30C cold nights. Alot of people safe foots thanks to this slogan. Word Moskal changing it sense depends on context. Now in Ukraine moskal word widely used to abusively name russian imperial chauvinists (Russian neo Nazi). And demonstrating not national but Russian Nazi unacceptance.

No doubt these words are being bandied about due to, you know, imperialist encroachment.

[newthinking]

35. Bullshit. I showed the video to several Ukrainian friends to make sure, it is the real deal

I understand a fair amount of the Russian language (they are chanting in Ukrainian) but I showed it to not one but several Ukrainians and verified it.

It is no surprise that people are posting confusing retorts. That does not mean they are genuine and honest.

Yes, he told them to jump. Everyone complied because nobody wanted to look like they sympathized with "Moskalka"

[The Magistrate]

36. Cool Story, Bro....

[newthinking]

39. Cute dogs. Let's keep this OP at the top of the heap shall we?

I am usually not as prolific as some, but hey, an opportunity to up my post count for a righteous cause. We having fun?

[The Magistrate]

23. Thank You, Sir

Not much of a surprise, really.

[newthinking]

14. +1 for truth

Thank you Catherina.

[MisterP]

20. even on Wiki!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskal

[jakeXT]

43. More than a Taliban, but less than Al-Qaeda

As late as October 2007, 370 detainees at Guantánamo had been turned over to U.S. forces for rewards—$5,000 each for alleged Taliban and $25,000 each for alleged al Qaeda.

http://blog.independent.org/2013/11/19/closing-gitmo-isnt-nearly-enough/

[JVS]

47. A bounty on Russians? They are going to get invaded now.

[Lodestar]

49. It's Tycoon Season all over the globe.... n/t