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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:25 PM Apr 2014

Japan Says It Will Resume Whaling Off Antarctica

Source: NYT

TOKYO — In a move likely to bring renewed international criticism, Japan said Friday that it would resume its controversial research whaling in the Southern Ocean next year under a redesigned program that would address objections raised by an international court.

In a statement, Minister of Agriculture Yoshimasa Hayashi said Japan would submit a new plan for research whaling next fall to the International Whaling Commission that would allow it to restart its annual hunts in waters off Antarctica in 2015. Japan canceled this year’s hunt this month after the International Court of Justice in The Hague ruled that the hunts were in violation of Japan’s legal obligations under an international treaty banning commercial whaling.

In its ruling, the court questioned whether the program was really for research, pointing out that it had yielded few scientific results. Japan says its 26-year-old research program is needed to monitor recovering whale populations in the Southern Ocean, but opponents call it a crude cover for continued commercial whaling.

The decision announced on Friday runs against the predictions of some political analysts, who had said Japan might use the international court ruling as a face-saving pretext for scrapping an outdated program that had become a diplomatic embarrassment while enjoying only limited support among the Japanese, who no longer eat much whale meat. The plans for a redesign suggest that pro-whaling interests influenced the government’s decision, environmentalists said.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/19/world/asia/japan-says-it-will-resume-whaling-off-antarctica.html?ref=world&_r=0

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Japan Says It Will Resume Whaling Off Antarctica (Original Post) n2doc Apr 2014 OP
Maybe the global community CFLDem Apr 2014 #1
Will the Australian Navy enforce the ban? Number9Dream Apr 2014 #2
No. The current conservative govt opposed going to the ICJ... Violet_Crumble Apr 2014 #27
The Japanese are smart cvoogt Apr 2014 #3
They were always up front about this jmowreader Apr 2014 #11
you should post this as an op. nt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #12
Japanese "research" fails to meet "minimum standards for credible science." Number9Dream Apr 2014 #13
They use it as an excuse MFM008 Apr 2014 #14
+1 Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #17
Doesn't do a damn thing now n2doc Apr 2014 #21
You could also substitute chicken for tuna daleo Apr 2014 #31
Thank goodness Sea Shepherd will roody Apr 2014 #4
Fuck you, Japan. tabasco Apr 2014 #5
Blubber chewing assholes.....leave the whale alone bkanderson76 Apr 2014 #6
I was afraid of this catchnrelease Apr 2014 #7
Bastards catbyte Apr 2014 #8
Irony: A tsunami smashes all their ships, and dolphins save the survivors. nt Zorra Apr 2014 #9
Yup. Expected that. progressoid Apr 2014 #10
Despicable. MBS Apr 2014 #15
Nationalism sucks. All of it. hunter Apr 2014 #16
research = which kinds of sauce go best with whale flesh 0rganism Apr 2014 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Jgarrick Apr 2014 #26
Must kill to "research". Assholes. Owl Apr 2014 #19
F- YOU JAPAN. killing whales, canning and eating them is not research!! Sunlei Apr 2014 #20
Called it! flvegan Apr 2014 #22
Why are they allowed to sell whale meat harvested for "science"? groundloop Apr 2014 #23
How about just doing fucking research on live whales? blackspade Apr 2014 #24
'Cause it's not research. OrwellwasRight Apr 2014 #29
Exactly. blackspade Apr 2014 #32
not at all surprised. Duppers Apr 2014 #25
Japan, you disappoint me by your continued pursuit of whales. nt ladjf Apr 2014 #28
And yet we are doing a trade deal with Japan . . . OrwellwasRight Apr 2014 #30
"needed to monitor recovering whale populations" Thor_MN Apr 2014 #33
Will Australian Navy join Sea Shepherd in blocking these whalers? Larkspur Apr 2014 #34

Number9Dream

(1,560 posts)
2. Will the Australian Navy enforce the ban?
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:39 PM
Apr 2014

If Japan choses to continue whaling, any thoughts on whether Australia will send naval ships to stop poaching? Has Canberra said anything regarding enforcement?

Violet_Crumble

(35,955 posts)
27. No. The current conservative govt opposed going to the ICJ...
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:48 AM
Apr 2014
Don't expect to hear trumpets. Australia has won a stunning victory over Japan in the international court, with every reason to expect the deeply unpopular pseudo-scientific whale hunt is at an end.

But Tony Abbott would never have taken this court action – and won't make a big noise about it.

To him, Labor's threat in 2010 to haul Japan to court was a needless way to antagonise ''our most important trading partner, a fellow democracy, an ally''. He even warned that any action beyond sending a patrol ship could be construed as ''war like''.

His claim then was overblown and not clearly expressed. The court action carried risks, but conservatives regularly emphasise the importance of values in foreign policy and on whaling, Australians are overwhelmingly opposed.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/dont-mention-the-whaling-tony-abbott-will-tread-carefully-on-his-trip-to-japan-20140401-35v9g.html#ixzz2zJfuvaeH




cvoogt

(949 posts)
3. The Japanese are smart
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:44 PM
Apr 2014

I would think after so many years of 'research' they would have learned enough about whales to not need to kill them. Unless by 'research' they mean 'eat'.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
11. They were always up front about this
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:43 PM
Apr 2014

The research was to prove whale stocks had recovered enough to allow Japan, whose whaling history is 500 years old because when you live on an island you notice one whale will feed two villages for a year, to resume low-level commercial whaling.

This won't be a popular sentiment, but right now minke whales (the ones the Japanese hunt) are well populated - common minke are Least Concern on the IUCN Red List and Antarctic minke are estimated at over half a million individuals by the International Whaling Commission. Their reproduction rate is good. On the other hand, bluefin tuna will probably go extinct within five to ten years. A minke probably has 10 tons of meat on it. Japan's entire bluefin demand could easily be replaced with 250 minkes; it wouldn't affect the survival of the minke whale but would do wonders for the survival of bluefins.

Number9Dream

(1,560 posts)
13. Japanese "research" fails to meet "minimum standards for credible science."
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:46 PM
Apr 2014

snip> "21 prominent scientists, including 3 Nobel Prize winners, challenged the scientific credibility of Japan's whaling program. The scientists criticized the country's whaling program, ostensibly done as scientific research, as failing to meet "minimum standards for credible science." The open letter to the Japanese government was signed by marine biologists and distinguished scientists such as David Suzuki, Jared Diamond, Jane Lubchenco, Sylvia Earle, E.O. Wilson and Nobel laureates Sir Aaron Klug and Roger Guillemin.

http://www.commondreams.org/news2002/0520-02.htm

Actually, the ICUN lists the Antarctic Minke whale as "data deficient".

http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/2480/0

snip> "There is no agreement within the IWC regarding the number of whales in the world's oceans, particularly the Southern Ocean minke whale stocks, Japan's prime target. It is scientifically unsound to base any kind of hunt on essentially unknown population numbers."

http://www.acsonline.org/issues/whaling/index.html

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
14. They use it as an excuse
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:17 PM
Apr 2014

more endangered whales such as humpbacks and seis DNA have been found in their stockpiles. This is just an excuse to keep their hand in whaling. NO species has recovered enough to support the insatiable asian market for everything that comes out of the sea. Within 50 years salt water fish may be gone. Lets see what they eat after its all gone. ( This goes for ALL over fishers of the sea, not just Asians).

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
21. Doesn't do a damn thing now
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 06:18 PM
Apr 2014

The Japanese have had a huge surplus in whale meat,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/distaste-leaves-whale-meat-sales-in-japan-high-and-dry/story-fnb64oi6-1226396682864#mm-premium

and there are no signs of it 'replacing' bluefin Tuna. To suggest such a thing is ludicrous, it is like saying we can replace beef with nutria.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
31. You could also substitute chicken for tuna
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:56 PM
Apr 2014

Japan has no food shortage, thus it is not necessary to kill and eat endangered species like bluefin tuna, nor is it necessary to kill and eat intelligent, likely sentient species like minke whales.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
5. Fuck you, Japan.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:06 PM
Apr 2014

If you don't rise up and stop your whalers from doing this, you're a bunch of worthless assholes.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
15. Despicable.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:57 PM
Apr 2014

bizarre that they keep at this-- there's no way it could even be considered profitable (not to mention that there's no scientific merit to the operation, no matter what they claim)

hunter

(38,301 posts)
16. Nationalism sucks. All of it.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 05:38 PM
Apr 2014

Nations do stupid things for "pride." Even the U.S.A..

How difficult is it to walk away from fights not worth fighting?

So many can't do it.

0rganism

(23,920 posts)
18. research = which kinds of sauce go best with whale flesh
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 05:40 PM
Apr 2014

extensive peer-reviewed investigations will be published concerning the use of varying concentrations of ginger, wasabi, and soy for preparation and distribution of whale meat under a variety of temperature and pressure conditions.

Response to 0rganism (Reply #18)

groundloop

(11,513 posts)
23. Why are they allowed to sell whale meat harvested for "science"?
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:25 PM
Apr 2014

If they were truly interested in "research" it seems that the international court wouldn't allow them to sell their catch. Maybe give it away for charity or something like that, but what they do is such a farce I'm amazed they can get away with it.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
30. And yet we are doing a trade deal with Japan . . .
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:15 PM
Apr 2014

. . . rather than trying to use our leverage to stop the whaling, the US govt is wasting it trying to lower the tariffs of rice, which by all rights should not be grown in the US -- we don't have the right climate for it. We grow it in the desert with subsidized water. What a waste!

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
33. "needed to monitor recovering whale populations"
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 01:36 PM
Apr 2014

If only they were leaders in small electronics that could be used to monitor whales without killing them...

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
34. Will Australian Navy join Sea Shepherd in blocking these whalers?
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 11:23 AM
Apr 2014

The Australians have a clear cut court ruling that would allow them to enforce it in the Antarctic Sanctuary with their Navy.

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