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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:04 PM Apr 2014

U.S. ground troops going to Poland, defense minister says

Source: Washington Post

Poland and the United States will announce next week the deployment of U.S. ground forces to Poland as part of an expansion of NATO presence in Central and Eastern Europe in response to events in Ukraine. That was the word from Poland’s defense minister, Tomasz Siemoniak, who visited The Post Friday after meeting with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel at the Pentagon on Thursday.

Siemoniak said the decision has been made on a political level and that military planners are working out details. There will also be intensified cooperation in air defense, special forces, cyberdefense and other areas. Poland will play a leading regional role, “under U.S. patronage,” he said.

But the defense minister also said that any immediate NATO response to Russian aggression in Ukraine, while important, matter less than a long-term shift in the defense postures of Europe and America. The United States, having announced a “pivot” to Asia, needs to “re-pivot” to Europe, he said, and European countries that have cut back on defense spending need to reverse the trends.

“The idea until recently was that there were no more threats in Europe and no need for a U.S. presence in Europe any more,” Siemoniak said, speaking through an interpreter. “Events show that what is needed is a re-pivot, and that Europe was safe and secure because America was in Europe.”

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/04/18/u-s-ground-troops-going-to-poland-defense-minister-says/?print=1

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U.S. ground troops going to Poland, defense minister says (Original Post) Bosonic Apr 2014 OP
Well, at least they didn't forget Poland KamaAina Apr 2014 #1
Take that Putin! CFLDem Apr 2014 #2
LOL. cabrona Apr 2014 #33
Headline is wrong. Should read as follows: "U.S. ground troops invade Poland; start world war III" penultimate Apr 2014 #3
I hear ya. this is getting to be a blinking contest. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 #4
oh wow, hysterical much? pasto76 Apr 2014 #7
Ukraine might need your heroism, however. cabrona Apr 2014 #34
+10 (nt) reACTIONary Apr 2014 #42
what a crock of BS. How dare you cry wolf like that. uhnope Apr 2014 #10
no, tthe kremlin is pretty cheap. penultimate Apr 2014 #21
James Jeffrey called for it....Poland did a good job training those maidan guys jakeXT Apr 2014 #5
He is a career diplomat - the fact that the Washington Pos list only the Democratic administrations, karynnj Apr 2014 #8
I only used the WaPo material /nt jakeXT Apr 2014 #9
Sorry - I had not meant it as an attack on you - I should have read more closely karynnj Apr 2014 #13
Yep. 86 Euromaidan militants at the Police Training Center Catherina Apr 2014 #20
You are worried about Russia invading western Europe? cabrona Apr 2014 #35
I'm not worried about Russia invading Europe jakeXT Apr 2014 #37
Then why are you talking this way? cabrona Apr 2014 #38
It's an excerpt from a WP article. My friend JakeXT needs to learn to use the excerpt tags Catherina Apr 2014 #39
I should use it more... I know how it works ... jakeXT Apr 2014 #40
Naw, just the "blockquote" formatting option lol Catherina Apr 2014 #43
And where is the EU?? oldandhappy Apr 2014 #6
TOTALLY agree. What the hell? Why isn't the EU taking care of their own prob there? uhnope Apr 2014 #12
Because contrary to the cheerleaders AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #16
NATO: Paper tiger in a world of paper deer mathematic Apr 2014 #22
The Russian are terrible AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #23
poland is a nato member nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #26
And Russia has made ZERO threats to Poland AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #44
regardless arely staircase Apr 2014 #46
We are supposed to be doing exercises in the Baltics during the summer. amandabeech Apr 2014 #58
"Russians are terrible soldiers"? cabrona Apr 2014 #36
No that is what reality has taught us AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #45
What do you mean by "terrible"? cabrona Apr 2014 #49
Terrible discipline AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #50
Would these not be the same conclusions that some in the US had with regard to Vietnam? mazzarro Apr 2014 #51
Not at all AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #53
Except to McNamara, Rusk, Westmoreland and the Joint Chiefs LanternWaste Apr 2014 #56
Footing the bill for us to be there. We want to prevent WW3 starting in Europe. freshwest Apr 2014 #25
There is a material difference between the EU and Europe dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #28
This should be interesting. AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #11
it is, however, an insult to Russia. Sort of classically stupid in a "land war in asia" mode. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #14
Yeah an insult AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #17
nations conducting their own affairs is an insult to russia? ok nt msongs Apr 2014 #18
yes, when thinking about geopolitics and great nation shennanigans it is best consider Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #19
apparently so, just ask Ukraine. nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #27
+1. We are not the only ones not in a postion to conquer much. bemildred Apr 2014 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #15
The MIC elias49 Apr 2014 #24
Russia's MIC? penultimate Apr 2014 #41
No. The United States of the World MIC. elias49 Apr 2014 #47
Ahh yeah, I saw all those US MIC created tanks rolling down the streets of Crimea. penultimate Apr 2014 #48
And we have to hear about this from the Polish Defense Minister? malthaussen Apr 2014 #29
Report: US ground troops to be sent to Poland, Estonia Bosonic Apr 2014 #30
"Pentagon mulls deployment as Poland asks for 10,000 troops" Catherina Apr 2014 #31
....and so it begins... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #52
No it doesn't AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #54
Yeah...it kinda does... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #55
NO IT DOESN'T AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #57

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
4. I hear ya. this is getting to be a blinking contest.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:21 PM
Apr 2014

Meanwhile, No. Korea is waiting for everyone's attention to be diverted.

pasto76

(1,589 posts)
7. oh wow, hysterical much?
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:28 PM
Apr 2014

wondering if you are in the army. I am. I have 0.0% anxiety that I will be deployed because of a "blinking contest" (staring contest?)

cant get much lower than 0.0%...but if I could, that is how I would describe my worries about "war" with N Korea

 

cabrona

(47 posts)
34. Ukraine might need your heroism, however.
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 11:57 AM
Apr 2014

Do you have any anxiety about that? Just asking. I always want to know what our heroes are thinking.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
10. what a crock of BS. How dare you cry wolf like that.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:04 PM
Apr 2014

Or does the Kremlin pay extra for that kind of thing?

penultimate

(1,110 posts)
21. no, tthe kremlin is pretty cheap.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:53 PM
Apr 2014

They rarely pay extra for my value added hyperbolic services. The CIA and white house are very generous whenever I provide such services for them though. Right now I'm handling both contracts, but I find the Russian one to be far more enjoyable, despite it paying far less. It allows me to express my creative self in a far more lively and dynamic way.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
5. James Jeffrey called for it....Poland did a good job training those maidan guys
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:22 PM
Apr 2014

Last edited Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:15 PM - Edit history (1)

James Jeffrey is a distinguished visiting fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He was U.S. ambassador to Iraq in the Obama administration and deputy chief of mission to Kuwait from 1996 to 1999.
...

The best way to send Putin a tough message and possibly deflect a Russian campaign against more vulnerable NATO states is to back up our commitment to the sanctity of NATO territory with ground troops, the only military deployment that can make such commitments unequivocal. To its credit, the administration has dispatched fighter aircraft to Poland and the Baltic states to reinforce NATO fighter patrols and exercises. But these deployments, as with ships temporarily in the Black Sea, have inherent weaknesses as political signals.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/us-should-send-ground-troops-to-ukraine/2014/04/15/aa40b238-c408-11e3-bcec-b71ee10e9bc3_story.html



Polish media outlet Nie has published a bombshell account about direct Polish involvement in Ukraine’s destabilization. Its source alleges that the Polish Foreign Ministry had invited Ukrainian militants into the country and trained them outside of Warsaw in September 2013. Considering the destructive actions and fatalities they would later be responsible for during the EuroMaidan riots, such a connection would directly link Warsaw to the pandemonium.

http://www.rantonuk.org.uk/poland-trained-maidan-neo-nazi-group-before-attack-on-ukraine-parliament/

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
8. He is a career diplomat - the fact that the Washington Pos list only the Democratic administrations,
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:55 PM
Apr 2014

ignoring that he worked for Bush as a deputy National Security aide and Ambassador to Albania is distorting who he is - making him seem to have worked just for Obama and Clinton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Franklin_Jeffrey

From his biography, the most honest thing that can be said is that he is a career diplomat, who has worked in many countries.

From the oped, to say he is hawkish may be an understatement.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
13. Sorry - I had not meant it as an attack on you - I should have read more closely
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:07 PM
Apr 2014

and seen that even that was from the WP -

In my opinion, that seems to suggest that he was an Obama/Clinton person - and it is true they named him for countries where career diplomats, not political appointees are the rule.

I will edit it to make it clear that it is the WP I am questioning not you ---

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
20. Yep. 86 Euromaidan militants at the Police Training Center
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:43 PM
Apr 2014

The Polish defence ministry categorically denied they had anything to do with training Maidan and now this comes out


Polish media outlet Nie has published a bombshell account about direct Polish involvement in Ukraine’s destabilization. Its source alleges that the Polish Foreign Ministry had invited Ukrainian militants into the country and trained them outside of Warsaw in September 2013.

....

According to the report, 86 Euromaidan militants, some of whom appeared to be over 40 years old, came to Poland under the invitation of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The pretext for plausible deniability was that they were in the country to promote cooperation between the Warsaw University of Technology and the National Technical University in Kiev. In reality, however, these individuals were whisked away to Legionowo, a town on the outskirts of Warsaw. There, at the police training center, they spent four weeks engaged in a regiment of destabilization training.

The source goes on to state that pictures of the participants show them clothed in Nazi regalia and tattoos, with their Polish military instructors lacking any outward identification as such. At the facility, militants learned the following techniques: crowd management; target identification; tactics; leadership; behavioural management under stressful conditions; protection against police gasses; building barricades; and importantly, they engaged in shooting classes, which incidentally included sniper rifles. Quite clearly, the “students” who came to Warsaw were there for war, not academic work, and their training there resulted in the christening of Bandera’s spiritual descendants.

...


http://orientalreview.org/2014/04/17/proof-of-polands-participation-in-the-ukrainian-pandemonium/


This part stuck out from the embedded link above

[div class="excerpt" ]Vova pulls out the computer and shows me a series of documents, videos and photos from the training held here (in Legionowo, at the Police Training Center). Almost each one shows the same type of men: bald, tattooed thugs like the recently murdered Sashka Bily (real name Oleksandr Muzychko) from the Right Sector. Through the sweaty t-shirts can be seen tattooes of swastikas, eagles or runes. Between the "students" from the East scrolling in various poses are men in balaclavas. This - Vova says - are the Polish instructors. There are of course (not) wearing any symbols indicating that they are representatives of our armed forces, but just look at the wall and you can see this training is taking place in Legionowo. There's a large sign "Police Legionowo" and hanging on the wall is a portrait of Chief (of Police).

The Ukrainians trained long and passionately. Day 1 and 2 - Accommodation, acclimatization and light exercise. Day 3 and 4 - Theoretical: crowd management, choice of target, tactics and leadership. Day 5 - Training of behavior in stressful situations. Day 6 - Free but restricted to the campus. Day 7 - Preclinical. Day 8 - Protection against irritating gases. Day 9 - Building barricades.

And so on, and on, for nearly 25 days. In real hits : repeatedly recurring classes on marksmanship (including three with sniper rifles!), Tactical and practical training on storming buildings, and even - pay attention! - Meeting with representatives of the Polish organizations Kibicowskich (football/soccer) and Patriotyczny, the Patriotic Movement for National Rebirth."
 

cabrona

(47 posts)
35. You are worried about Russia invading western Europe?
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:01 PM
Apr 2014

Not me. I am, however, a little worried about the US getting involved in Ukraine. That would push the hand on the doomsday clock a little closer to midnight.

 

cabrona

(47 posts)
38. Then why are you talking this way?
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:46 PM
Apr 2014

From your message above: "The best way to send Putin a tough message and possibly deflect a Russian campaign against more vulnerable NATO states is to back up our commitment to the sanctity of NATO territory with ground troops,..."

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
39. It's an excerpt from a WP article. My friend JakeXT needs to learn to use the excerpt tags
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:54 PM
Apr 2014

to avoid any confusion. That was just to show the how of why "Poland did a good job training those maidan guys"

This is the how

Polish media outlet Nie has published a bombshell account about direct Polish involvement in Ukraine’s destabilization. Its source alleges that the Polish Foreign Ministry had invited Ukrainian militants into the country and trained them outside of Warsaw in September 2013. Considering the destructive actions and fatalities they would later be responsible for during the EuroMaidan riots, such a connection would directly link Warsaw to the pandemonium.

http://www.rantonuk.org.uk/poland-trained-maidan-neo-nazi-group-before-attack-on-ukraine-parliament/

and this is the why

The best way to send Putin a tough message and possibly deflect a Russian campaign against more vulnerable NATO states is to back up our commitment to the sanctity of NATO territory with ground troops, the only military deployment that can make such commitments unequivocal. To its credit, the administration has dispatched fighter aircraft to Poland and the Baltic states to reinforce NATO fighter patrols and exercises. But these deployments, as with ships temporarily in the Black Sea, have inherent weaknesses as political signals.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/us-should-send-ground-troops-to-ukraine/2014/04/15/aa40b238-c408-11e3-bcec-b71ee10e9bc3_story.html

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
40. I should use it more... I know how it works ...
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:03 PM
Apr 2014

Maybe I should fiddle with html ?

[font size="3" color="red"] Warning ! Excerpt -- Not My Opinion[/font]

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
43. Naw, just the "blockquote" formatting option lol
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:13 PM
Apr 2014

If only to cut down on confusion and people getting confused that repost equals endorsement.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
6. And where is the EU??
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:22 PM
Apr 2014

I am exhausted. We are exhausted. Why always us? I am willing to help. AND where is Europe?

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
16. Because contrary to the cheerleaders
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:26 PM
Apr 2014

NATO has even less military power capable of deploying than we do. NATO is a paper tiger with a lot of numbers that look great in theory, but in actual combat power is very weak. The German Army is a shell of itself, The UK military is very small. The best army in NATO aside from us is a tie between the French and the Poles. And the Polish Army is less than 75,000 less than 300,000 when fully mobilized. I don't see that moron Putin doing anything towards NATO, but it is because he doesn't want to, not because he fears NATO at all.

mathematic

(1,431 posts)
22. NATO: Paper tiger in a world of paper deer
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:36 AM
Apr 2014

Frankly this is absurd. It's one thing saying we can't deploy to Europe. That has the ring of legitimacy because, hey, it's an ocean away and nobody will give a damn enough to try to fact check you. But saying European NATO can't actually fight a war in Europe? That's like crazy cold war russian supersoldier talk.

Yes, yes, I know. What I'm saying now is "what they all say" right before they get militarily defeated by an underestimated foe. That doesn't mean you've provided any sensible reason to believe your analysis isn't just jargoned-up guesswork.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
23. The Russian are terrible
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:45 AM
Apr 2014

soldiers, but at least they have soldiers. NATO could not stop an ethnic slaughter on their borders in the 1990's I am supposed to believe they can muster the will to deploy when they are in no danger? Not going to happen. Defense budgets in Europe have continued shrinking.

But let's talk. How much of the German Army can they deploy since the German Army is down to under 85,000 soldiers? How many troops will Spain send to Eastern Europe? Is France really going to abandon their missions in Africa to send troops to guard a non Nato member? Seriously.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
44. And Russia has made ZERO threats to Poland
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:27 PM
Apr 2014

if we were showing some spine, we would send soldiers to Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, countries that have actually been pressured recently by Russia. BUT WE AREN'T. Because this is all show and talk...........

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
46. regardless
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:29 PM
Apr 2014

you wrote:

"Is France really going to abandon their missions in Africa to send troops to guard a non Nato member? Seriously."

So....

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
58. We are supposed to be doing exercises in the Baltics during the summer.
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 07:30 PM
Apr 2014

Russian backfire bombers have been doing runs on Estonia and Latvia. Both countries have significant, unassimilated and unhappy Russian minorities. Putin may just try it--he has the bit in his teeth and he wants to win the Triple Crown even if he breaks down in the stretch at the Belmont. As Merkel says, he's in another world.

You are right about European members of NATO, though. The German situation is particularly appalling considering their economic might. But they have tied themselves to Russian natural gas and are hiding behind their past bad actions as an excuse to devote their 2% to their military. If the worst happens, they'll do nothing until the Russians are at the Brandenburg Gate again. Or they'll get together with Putin and partition Poland.

 

cabrona

(47 posts)
36. "Russians are terrible soldiers"?
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:07 PM
Apr 2014

Is that what they indoctrinated you with in the US Army? Then they are teaching you to underestimate a potential enemy, which is one of the biggest mistakes in warfare.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
45. No that is what reality has taught us
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:28 PM
Apr 2014

Russian soldiers are terrible, most of NATO is WORSE. That's reality, not indoctrination.

 

cabrona

(47 posts)
49. What do you mean by "terrible"?
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 08:23 PM
Apr 2014

What are some examples--ones that reflect on Russian soldiers in general?

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
50. Terrible discipline
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 09:22 PM
Apr 2014

Substandard training

Unhealthy recruits

Inferior equipment

Dated tactics

Where would you like to start.

By pointing out that NATO cannot defend Eastern Europe, I get accused of being a Putin lover. By also pointing out that Russia's military is very substandard, this is happening. Ironic, all I am doing is giving my analysis as an actual analyst, finding flaws with both sides.

mazzarro

(3,450 posts)
51. Would these not be the same conclusions that some in the US had with regard to Vietnam?
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 10:14 PM
Apr 2014

And how did that turn out?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
56. Except to McNamara, Rusk, Westmoreland and the Joint Chiefs
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 04:07 PM
Apr 2014

"The ferocity and skill of the Vietcong was well known..."

Except to McNamara, Rusk, Westmoreland and the Joint Chiefs (Westmoreland went so far as to downplayed and trivialized French military analysis to both his own staff, the Joint Chiefs, and JFK) -- until two years illustrated otherwise to them. Seems only Clifford and McGill thought otherwise. Until Tet, that is.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
25. Footing the bill for us to be there. We want to prevent WW3 starting in Europe.
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:54 AM
Apr 2014

And it has workd so far.

The combined military spending of all NATO members constitutes over 70% of the global total.[4] Members' defense spending is supposed to amount to 2% of GDP.[5]

There are 28 member states, including Poland. Actually, we're a bit late to arrive in Poland as they asked for help earlier this year:

Article 5 of the North Atlantic treaty, requiring member states to come to the aid of any member state subject to an armed attack, was invoked for the first and only time after the 11 September 2001 attacks,[6] after which troops were deployed to Afghanistan under the NATO-led ISAF. The organization has operated a range of additional roles since then, including sending trainers to Iraq, assisting in counter-piracy operations[7] and in 2011 enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya in accordance with U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973. The less potent Article 4, which merely invokes consultation among NATO members, has been invoked four times: by Turkey in 2003 over the Iraq War, twice in 2012 by Turkey over the Syrian Civil War after the downing of an unarmed Turkish F-4 reconnaissance jet and after a mortar was fired at Turkey from Syria[8] and by Poland in 2014 following the Russian intervention in Crimea.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO

It explains Obama's actions since he's been in office, he has to follow these treaties.

NATO came from WW2:



* World War II (1939 – 1945) represented a deep-seated trauma for the continent of Europe. The devastation caused by the war made Western Europe’s leaders understand that the future of their states depended upon greater European cooperation and integration.
* These were the most important consequences of the greatest armed conflict in history:
o Human cost: almost 60 million deaths, with 40 million of them in Europe. The majority of the victims were civilians.
o Material cost: important population nuclei and infrastructures were destroyed.
o Territorial changes: numerous European territories changed hands, while others were occupied and lost part of their sovereignty. This was particularly true of those that fell under the influence of the USSR.
o The emergence of a “New World Order”: two great superpowers emerged after the conflict. The USA and the USSR shared out their influence at the global scale within a logical division into rival blocs. This marked the start of the period known as the Cold War. A new type of institutional architecture also began to emerge at the international level. At this point, it is relevant to highlight the creation of the United Nations Organisation, The Council of Europe, the OECD, NATO, the Warsaw Pact, the OSCE and the WEU and the beginning of the process of European integration.


EI is the prediction of the EU coming into being. Here the map of NATO member nations in Europe alone, but it's not confined to just that region of the world:



http://www.learneurope.eu/index.php?cID=314

Official NATO page:

http://www.nato.int/

That's all I have for you, unless your question was rhetorical, and in that case, the information won't help. We can't forget the nuclear proliferation that followed WW2. The other nuclear powers in Europe might finally fire one off, setting the stage for WW3 or something close to it. The major powers, including us, really do not want this:

The Nuclear Club:

NPT-designated nuclear weapon states (China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, United States)

Other states with nuclear weapons (India, Pakistan, North Korea)

Other states believed to have nuclear weapons (Israel)

NATO nuclear weapons sharing states (Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, Italy, Turkey)

States formerly possessing nuclear weapons (Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, South Africa)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons

It's the reason we're still playing around in Pakistan. The Taliban and or other hot heads who want to bring their idea of new world under their own rules is not without influence there, and cannot be controlled, as they roam between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Pakistan is easily the most unstable nuclear power in the world, I'm guessing, and I think Little Kim just uses them as a threat to get aid. And if he ever did start something, I think the Chinese have a burial plot ready for him. Just my opinion.

Despite the hype, Russia has no intention of going postal on the USA. Some of these other nations, we don't know if they would or not.
We are not advantaged by this except in the big picture and yeah, we're tired of it.

I've come to see our military spending as less of a problem for the economy than our tax code and that is more a function of who is getting elected to keep it all effed up. Eisenhower spanked the war profiteers (who made money fighting off the Axis) in the 1950s for national infrastructure until they cried, but they paid.

The problem is local, not international. Europeans, for example, generally tax the rich as we once did, but now the American people doesn't want anyone to pay taxes, or at least the GOP Libertarian Tea Party part of America doesn't. And they sure as hell vote every time.

It's about lack of revenue and investment, income inequality and the Koch brothers Libertarian agenda that makes us tired and keep us suffering:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298

That's all from me.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
11. This should be interesting.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:05 PM
Apr 2014

Very few troops capable of deploying. And with only 2 Combat Brigades in Europe (one just got back from Afghanistan this month and the other is a light infantry airborne brigade), I don't expect us to be able to put more than 2000 troops in Poland. Since Putin has no designs on Poland this is just a giant circle jerk.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
17. Yeah an insult
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:30 PM
Apr 2014

and NO REAL GROUND COMBAT POWER that can be in Poland in less than three months.

A Germany based Stryker Brigade with its personnel on leave back in the States after a year in Afghanistan and its equipment scattered between Kyrgyzstan and Germany and an Airborne Infantry Brigade in Italy represent our ONLY ground combat forces in Europe. This announcement is a joke. For any unit from the states to get there, orders have to be cut, units have to SRP, soldiers have to draw equipment, equipment has to be shipped, personnel have to be flown, equipment has to be unloaded from ships and units have to train......That takes months.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
19. yes, when thinking about geopolitics and great nation shennanigans it is best consider
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:40 PM
Apr 2014

each event in isolation, as if it has nothing to do with anything else. Good point.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
32. +1. We are not the only ones not in a postion to conquer much.
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 11:47 AM
Apr 2014

And I want to thank you for taking the trouble to explain that here.

Response to Bosonic (Original post)

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
24. The MIC
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:28 AM
Apr 2014
will not be denied.

No wars to fight in the Middle East?
Let's go play in Eastern Europe again!!!

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
29. And we have to hear about this from the Polish Defense Minister?
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 11:09 AM
Apr 2014

No announcement from our own? No confirmation in the Post story?

-- Mal

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
30. Report: US ground troops to be sent to Poland, Estonia
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 11:20 AM
Apr 2014
Report: US ground troops to be sent to Poland, Estonia

(Stars and Stripes) STUTTGART, Germany
— A small contingent of U.S. soldiers will deploy to Poland and Estonia for a series of upcoming ground exercises aimed at reassuring allies shaken by Russian intervention in neighboring Ukraine, according to a report.

The U.S. is planning to send a company sized Army element of roughly 150 troops to conduct drills with allies, spanning roughly two weeks respectively in both Poland and Ukraine, The New York Times reported Friday.

The land force exercises being planned by the Obama administration are part of a broader undertaking by NATO to beef up its presence in eastern Europe. It is unclear what U.S. unit will be taking part in the exercises in Poland and Estonia, but more details are expected to be announced next week, the Times reported.

On Wednesday, NATO said it would increase its presence in the region both on land, sea and air. Measures include plans for more fighter patrols over the Baltic nations and warships in the Baltic Sea and eastern Mediterranean.

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/report-us-ground-troops-to-be-sent-to-poland-estonia-1.278897


I'm assuming 'both Poland and Ukraine' is a mistake and should read 'both Poland and Estonia',

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
31. "Pentagon mulls deployment as Poland asks for 10,000 troops"
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 11:34 AM
Apr 2014

From RT

"Pentagon mulls deployment as Poland asks for 10,000 troops"


US soldiers stand in front of a Patriot missile battery at an army base in the northern Polish town of Morag (AFP Photo)

The Pentagon may deploy more ground troops in Poland, although the number may be much smaller than what the eastern European NATO member wants to see. Washington is seeking to reassure allies amid fears of a Russian aggression.

Warsaw and Washington may announce the deployment of additional American troops in Poland next week, Polish Defense Minister Tomasz Siemoniak said following a meeting with his US counterpart, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel at the Pentagon on Thursday.

He added that Poland would play a leading role in the NATO build-up of troops in Eastern Europe, “under US patronage,” the Washington Post reported. He added that the US needs to “re-pivot” back to Europe from Asia to counter “Russian aggression” in Ukraine.

Siemoniak earlier called on the Pentagon to deploy as many as 10,000 American troops in his country. Poland already hosts some 100 to 150 US military servicing a battery of surface-to-air Patriot missiles, which was deployed in 2010 to give Warsaw more confidence for hosting elements of the NATO anti-ballistic missile shield in Europe.

The Polish minister’s calls were mirrored by NATO’s top military commander, Gen. Philip M. Breedlove, who said in an interview this month that one of the options the alliance has on the table is to move a 4,500-member combat brigade from Fort Hood, Texas, to Europe.

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AnalystInParadise

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54. No it doesn't
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 01:41 PM
Apr 2014

Still waiting for the U.S. to show which combat units it could possibly deploy to Poland since there are so few available.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
57. NO IT DOESN'T
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 02:15 AM
Apr 2014

An Airborne Infantry Company is not going to do shit to Armored forces. And since the 173rd represents the ONLY FREAKING COMBAT BRIGADE in EUROPE that can even deploy right now, it is ludicrous to say this is the start of anything but lip service. Tell me again how this represents anything.....................

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